The Pink Tax: What it is & How to Avoid it

Published Oct 30, 2020, 7:00 AM

Whether or not you have heard of the pink tax, we can nearly guarantee you've encountered it in some way! On this episode we take a broad look at what the pink tax is, the various products and services most susceptible, and how to avoid paying extra unnecessarily.

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What the Internet has to say:

This article from Bankrate explains the pink tax and some common products and services that cost more for women

What Jen + Jill have to say:

  • The pink tax is "a system of discriminatory pricing on products and services that is based on gender" and costs the average woman $1,300 a year while impacting all aspects of daily life from shopping to dry cleaning
  • What can be done?

:More from the Internet

This article from The Simple Dollar gives us a few key ways to avoid the pink tax.

More from Jen + Jill:

  • 1. Research the brands you purchase
  • 2. Consider unisex products
  • 3. Support companies ‘taking a stand’
  • 4. Be a part of eliminating the pink tax
  • 5. Support legislation to stop the pink tax
  • 6. Take advantage of credit card rewards - find ones that reward you for the things you purchase often

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Lightning Round

Personal Pink Tax Experiences

  • - I certainly see how I save more money having a son - so many additional products are geared towards little girlsJen
  • When working at a group home I was unable to take a teenage girl to the barber for a $10 haircut and instead had to take her to the salon for a $45 hair cutJill-

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Episode one thirty two, The Pink Tax, What it is and how to avoid it. Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast, where you'll learn to save money, embrace simplicity rights, and live rich your life. Here your host Jen and Jill. Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast. My name is Jen, my name is Jill. And today we are taking the day before Halloween to talk about something really horrifying spooky. This is the pink Tax and intro and I think the worst thing that you could get out of today's episode is that this is just kind of like a woe is me, I'm a girl, Things cost more sort of thing. What we really want to do is raise awareness to this because I mean, up until I wrote an article on this last year, I wasn't super familiar with it, Like how prevalent it still is. It was in two thousand nineteen and is in and will be in Yeah, and I primarily had an association with this concept just with feminine hygiene products, but it goes far beyond that. It is a topic that I think both men and women should be familiar with. Yeah, to raise awareness and then also what you can do to save your money and also fight the systemic toxic. I don't know if it's even masculinity toxic ignorance that perpetuates the pink text. So that's that. But first super Casual today, First our sponsors. Today, our episode is brought to you by the Frugal Friends Workbook. Um. So, whether you're new to budgeting or trying to reach a big financial goal, and maybe you're feeling uh, stagnated, stuck board, whatever, um, the Frugal Friends Workbook is designed to help wake you up. Uh. It's a digital workbook with six weeklong challenges to help you save money, simplify your life, improve your money conversations, and more. It's over sixty pages and can be completed on your own, but it's created to be gone through in pairs or small groups to create that accountability that we all want and need um. And that's why every purchase comes with two downloads so you can share or split the cost. So head to Frugal Friends podcast dot com slash Workbook to learn more and use the code taco bell all one word to get ten dollars off that listed price. Mm hmmm. So exciting. Also brought to you by under Pressure, that feeling of impending deadlines, expectations, responsibilities looming just overhead. Our sponsor today wants to warn us that things under pressure, unless ventilated, will explode under pressure. I'm no scientists, but be careful. That's how all great conspiracy theories end. Actually, I'm no scientists, I'm no expert, but be careful. Yeah, but but you should be yeah, asking these questions. Yeah. Yeah, So the pink tact that is not a conspiracy theory. Uh, it is actually something that exists. And like I said before, I wasn't aware of it, like I had heard of it, but it was more one of those things that it was just like like yeah, sure in the fifties, but like whatever, it's nineteen. You don't want to um yeah, I don't want to acknowledge what. Um but I did. I researched the items that were pictured in these articles and I'm like, let me do my own research. And the prices are still different. They're still higher for not just female hygiene products because obviously we have more of those. Those are something we can't really get around, but for children's toys, for like hair care, for um T shirts. Um yeah, not even just for products, but for services to which I was not aware of like how deep this rabbit trail goes until reading some of these articles recognizing the disparity between what the same types of services or products cost, for um, male oriented expressions versus female it's insane. Yeah, So again, this episode isn't something where we're going to be We're not what is me here. Our first article is going to kind of tell you where you should be looking for these things and so where kind of it is mostly, and then our next one is ways to avoid it, and then you know easy ways that you can kind of quote unquote fight back. So yeah, this is all constructive. We are pragmatic, not dramatic. So yeah, I got that from Business Check. You know, it's interesting before we even get into this first article. This is a factor that I've noticed even in other types of products not related to gender, but for example in the grocery store. And I think I've even talked about this at one point, like there are different sections of the same products, and oftentimes those same products, while manufactured maybe by different companies, have drastically different price points. So like your olive oil in just your oil section might be a lot more expensive than olive oil you might find in your ethnic food section. UM. So that's a whole other thing. I've not taken a deep dive into it. It's just something that like, anecdotally, I've observed that there is some sort of pricing discrepancy related to targeted demographics that I think does exist outside of genders. That's what we're focusing on today is the pink tax. But this is a thing, UM, And I think what you're saying to be aware of so that we can buy smarter UM, Know that people are marketing to us. Know that some of these products are more expensive, and there are alternatives, um that we don't have to shell out as much money for. So yeah, a big, yeah, big thing of this has to do with marketing. If you've heard of Peloton, they are a widely known example of this. They took their bike which was selling, it was mediocre, and then just doubled the price without doing anything, and it has become the worldwide phenomena that it is now. UM, because we believe that things that are more expensive are better quality. UM. And not to say that Peloton is not great quality. People just realized the quality that it was when they doubled the price. But it didn't need to be that expensive from the beginning. So this is kind of one of those marketing tactics. I'm sure a lot of a lot of marketers will believe that women will buy higher price things because they believe it's higher quality, and men will prefer to buy lower cost things because they don't care about quality as much. That's a that's a known stereotype. While not necessarily true, but it is something that kind of perpetuates this pink tax. And so what is the pink tax exactly? It's a system of just well, let's say this is from bank rate dot com and the article is how women pay the Pink Tax, and it's defined as a system of discriminatory pricing on products and services that is based on gender um and it's estimated that the pink tax costs the average women a year and impacts all aspects of daily life, from shopping to dry cleaning. It's amazing. They even have this infographic within the article showing that a woman, by the time she's in her seventies or eighties has paid upwards of a hundred thirty dollars on the pink tax just for yeah, the products, services, gifts that she may have purchased throughout the year. And I will say one of these articles makes the point that this doesn't just impact women, it impacts men as well, who might be purchasing products for any reason, but going to maybe a more female oriented product and and purchasing that thing, you're also paying it. So that does it impacts everybody? But yeah, particularly the women who are buying these products. I think, while we don't want to um be amplifying in any way, do think that it's worth just breaking down some of the statistics that are given to us in these articles. These statistics actually come from our second article, the Simple Dollar, but it's worth stating in this portion because we're talking about what it is. And so they give these percentages that women pay more than men for dry cleaning dress shirts, like a similar dress shirt, a white button down dress shirt. Sometimes if a woman brings it in versus a man bringing it in, you can pay two to three times more, mean nine two percent more. That is significant. Uh. Next percentages that women will pay fifty four percent more than men for a haircut. I absolutely know this to be true. It is absolutely double. Women pay more for personal care products, and I mean the beauty industry my goodness, that could be a whole other episode, topic, book, whatever you want to call it. Uh that yes, you're paying a whole lot more to buy personal care products, and not to mention, feminine hygiene products are subject to sales tax in thirty five states. That is a significant portion of states that's that charged sales tax on necessity where often food uh and other necessities are not taxed. This is considered to be a luxury item. So yeah, I would just love to have a few words with the person who thinks that this is a luxury item in any stretch of the imagination. I I get so ticked every single time I am in the feminine hygiene product. I'll oh for so many different reasons. The way that they're trying to market to me, how much things cost, the fact that this is even a part of my life. That's a whole other rant. Husbands are so grossed out by this. I'm sure that if you talk to a husband, they know it's it's a necessity for themselves. It's like, get it. And there's some new ways coming out that can help save money in this regard. We're not going to take a deep dive into that today at least I'm not, uh, because I don't want to waste my time there. What I do want to talk about next is women's credit scores. This is a new one for me. On average are nine points lower than men's even though they typically carry less debt. Yeah, I mean, well that's one of the reasons why credit scores are lower, because credit scores kind of run on how much debt you're paying back. Um, And you know, so it's not just something that like is for you know, middle class people. I love this story down here where UM entrepreneur David Hanson publicly accused Apple of Goldman's Stacks of gender discrimination after his wife's application for an increased credit line was denied. Hansen pointed out that his credit line was twenty times higher than his wife's, even though they share finances and she had a better credit score. So this is this affects every like class And of course they blame it on the algorithms in the credit card industry. And as this article points out, it's really hard to figure out if an algorithm has a bias because there's so many factors that go into it. But debt to income ratio is a big factor, which is also a gender specific type of concern that because women on average makes seventy nine cents to every dollar that a man makes, Yeah, that's definitely going to impact your debt to income ratio. And this article also points out that that's just white women. For women of color or Hispanic women, that ratio drops to about seventy four cents UH for every dollar that a man makes. So it's a bit of an uphill battle over here, but we're just bringing awareness and we're going to talk about how to do something about it. Yeah, and there is, um there are new statistics talking about the wage gap, and so this is an average. It's actually now coming out that uh for men and women at the beginning of their careers seem more um see the exact same pay rate. But when a woman gets to about thirty thirty two, that's when the wage gap really, um like starts to take off. We're right, right, and so as I think a lot of listeners of this podcast are probably around our age. UM, So this is something and I've said this for a long time, like we actually need to like stop putting so much emphasis on the wage gap and start focusing more on the wealth gap because that's an even bigger despair. There's there's so much more um to work on there. So, but we need to like fight for our pay increases and our raises and our promotions. And you know, if we're not getting the THO, than finding jobs that will pay us what we're worth. So again that's a tangent on the pink tax. But still if we are paying dollars a year more, then our incomes need to be able to support that, and we don't always put those two together. And we have a lot of single women listening to the show saying it's very hard to get ahead, it's hard to pursue debt freedom or financial independence, and yeah, it is harder, um. So that's why we need to kind of work harder at the most effective and efficient areas of work. Yeah, if you're making less and it's impacting your credit score and you're being charged more for the products that you buy, it's impacting your ability to get a car, purchase a home, and keep moving forward to like the thing that that women are identifying as why is it so hard, especially these single women who are writing into us, Yeah, there there is something real. First of all, like you're validated and some of those feelings of what is happening? Why can't I just keep moving forward? And there are some things that are inside of our control that we can do to keep moving forward and find ourselves in a better place a year from now than we are today. But there's also some systemic, uh wider, bigger concerns and issues that are happening as well. So both on the macro level and the micro level, we want to look at what are some of the things that we can be doing and be aware of us that we can be smarter consumers. Yeah, um, a few other things in this article, um that women tend to pay more for. Um, So we already know about the razors in the shaving cream, um, but also genes. So shopping around for good prices on genes will be very beneficial to you because you're not necessarily going to go out and by men's jeans. Like you can switch to a man's shaving cream, but you still want to I still want to wear, you know, jeans that hug my curves, So I'm not gonna lie. I tried on Eric's jeans one time. That was a mistake. Yeah, I know, I just thought like he's a dude, like his pants are gonna be like so big. I mean, I'm gonna be swimming in them. And then I put them on and they fit me, and I was mortified. And then I go to tell him like, hey, I like I did this weird thing, but but now I have to tell you, like I put on your pants and like they fit me, and he's like, well yeah, And I'm like, what do you mean, well yeah, and he's like, your butts bigger than mine. Yeah, that was a fun day in this Sirianni camper. So don't do that. Don't try on your husband's pants and poorly. Yes, but getting genes, not just like fast fashion genes, but jeans that will laughs that you can have for a very long time. Um, children's toys. So there are a lot of side by side comparisons of children's toys. Um the pink or or female version being more expensive than the blue or unisex version. Um laxatives, they said, so pretty much anything that's marketed that's targeted toward women. So it does not to me like, yeah, whyaxatives, there's no different. Yeah. They were even saying they said something about old spice ah that you can switch to some products maybe that are unisex or more geared towards men. But if you're not trying to smell like old spice, swagger and you've got a problem. Which Yeah, I think old spice smells gross. So I my dad wore old spice, so for me it's nostalgic. But like, I don't want to smell like my dad. So no. Um, So maybe the what I'm thinking of is in the next article. Um, it does say that. For so, for example, the average cost of a woman's pair of jeans at one popular retail is while comparable jeans men's genes at the same store or fifty seven o nine. Um, And I mean you would, I mean if you're wearing if if you're fitting into Eric's genes, you have to anticipate it's not less denim exactly. Yeah. Um. Yes, So let's get into our next article then, Um, and this one is from the Simple Dollar. It's how women shoppers can beat the pink tax. Jill, what did you think of this one? Yeah? It was helpful. I think that they took both an approach of what can you do just in your in your daily life to help to combat actually spending money on the pink tax, and then what can you do larger view to really combat this pink tax systemically. So one of the suggestions on here of how to avoid it is to consider unisex products, which I like this suggestion to be aware that, hey, just because something is pink or geared towards women, it's going to cost more. Is there an alternative in a unisex option or even in the male option, like you mentioned the razors, Like it is true that female raisors cost more than men's razors, and yet men's razors seem to work a lot better, they've got more blades to them, like you name it. It's a simple example, but that's that's one of them. Does it have to be um venus that you're shaving your legs with? Or can it be something else? Um? Certainly I would say to re examine your beauty or personal hygiene routine. Can it be simplified? Do you have to be purchasing all of these products that are geared towards women trying to suck you in and make you think that you're going to be like the next hottest, most beautiful, glistening, glowing unicorn being No, like we can maybe make ourselves like ten percent better. And I'm pretty sure some some of your simple soaps and moisturizers can do that. So rather than being swooned by the way that the bottle looks, consider looking at the different types of products because is guaranteed they have very similar ingredients in them. That's how I shop, Like, I'll look at the back, I'll look at the ones that are like, oh, natural and organic and pretty and swirly font and I'll look at what are the ingredients in it, and then I'll go find a bottle that's cheaper with those ingredients on that put it in a little glass jar if I wanted to look cute at home. But another thing to do is research the brands you purchase. And so this was actually um this list on the simple dollar was the one I was thinking of in the last one, and it it talks about a study by the New York City Department of Consumer Affairs uh and found. It found that consumer goods marketing towards women and girls cost about seven percent more on average than those marketed toward men and boys. UM and products for women cost more in thirty out of thirty five categories and span every industry, I mean, and so in perspective the average stock market return people generally use seven percent so and and these products increase with inflation. So that's something to think that I thought that was an interesting thing. But so obviously, personal care products are the highest UM, and they tend to cost more. Adult clothing tends to cost eight percent more. This one surprised me. Senior home and healthcare products tend to cost eight percent more UM. And there was a picture on one article that had like UM panty liners for UM for incontinence for both men and women, and they were the same price, but the men's one had like more pads in it than the women's UM for no reason. So UM children's toys tend to cost seven percent more, and then children's clothing tends to cost about four percent more. So if you research the brand that you purchase, you can essentially use your voice two or your non purchasing of that brand to say that you care about that disparagement. So what the article recommends is setting up a Google alert for pink tax um, and then you will be up to date whenever news breaks about a company that is perpetuating the pink tax um. And so one of the experts cited in this article say that only when vendors feel the pinch um, which means you not buying from them, will meaningful price reductions occur. Because for profit companies don't do things for people because it's nice. They do things for people because it's profitable. So the only way to get somebody to change is to give them financial incentive to do so. And so along those lines is the article recommends be a part eliminating the pink tax with some of the things that you've just mentioned, gen of setting up those alerts, being aware, keeping an eye on companies that you purchase from and how much your products are and how much the alternatives to those things are, and really just essentially being a smart consumer and bringing the pink tax to light, whether that's in conversations that you have or even if you want to go so far as to writing companies UM, letting them know of your awareness, switching who you purchase from, UM, you can be taking steps in your actions and how you spend your dollar to speak and let your voice be heard in that way. UH. And then next is to support companies and legislation taking a stand against the pink tax. So there are plenty of companies and you can find them if you set up that Google alert. You'll also be alerted to companies that are doing putting out press releases saying that they are fighting against the pink tax, and so you'll know better which companies to support. And so this is this is a reason why we think frugality is so important. You buy a fewer things, therefore you have more money to support the companies and brands that are doing good things, UM, that are prioritizing that because oftentimes it is a little more expensive, um than getting the cheapest store brand. But uh, we think it's important. So but not just companies, like legislation too. So the website UM tax Free Period displays a map of the US and you can click to see if your state has a tax on tampons UM but not on non essential items. So for example, Colorado has a tampon tax, but private jet parts are untaxed. So stuff like that. And so then go out like do something about it, send an email, write a letter, make a call like those are the most important things, um, and then also vote, uh votings coming right around the corner. I think have you heard I think somewhere I've heard a little bit of something novel, so um, so do that um um. And then also um, make sure that you're staying up to date about legislation that affects you as a female. And last, but not least, on this list, uh, they recommend using credit card rewards to offset the pink tax. Now, this is with the caveat that we recognize credit cards are not the end all, be all. They are not going to solve everything, and for some of us they are not our best option um for staying on track financially. How Ever, they can be um useful in this regard to help eliminate or offset the pink tax in finding a credit card that maybe rewards you with extra cash back or certain items bonuses in different categories that you might be interested in for the things that you shop for the most. So they have a link on here for different types of rewards credit cards, and you can pick one tailored to the types of purchases that you make so that you can be sure that you are being rewarded for those purchases. And that's one way to stick it to the man full stop here. Like full disclosure, the simple dollar is a website and they make money from affiliate commissions when you sign up for credit cards through their links. So that is of why this is number six. But is that rewards credit cards are a good idea in general to you know, at those welcome bonuses and increase your credit line. Ladies like get your no annual feed credit card and leave that thing open, increase your credit skull, bringing yourself up those nine points. No, you know what, make it ten or beyond? You know what else? We're making eleven out of ten. It's the bill of the that's right, It's time for the best minute of your entire week. Maybe a baby was born and his name is Williams. Maybe you paid off your mortgage, maybe your card died and you're happy to not have to pay that bill anymore. Bills, foot flow bills, Bill Clinton, this is the build up the week. Hi, this is Rachel from Kansas. My favorite bill of the week is the bill for my son's birth. My son was born seven months ago and we received the hospital bill last week. I expected it to be high since we have a high deductible health insurance plan, but was surprised when the bill said we owed six thousand dollars. 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I hope that you're enjoying life with your new baby. Yes. Oh, and you're just getting out of the really sucky time like it's all up here, not everybody here sucky Jen. I mean, it's a it's a blessing. If you want to leave us a bill about all your blessings, blessings of the week, just keep it, singer. Stick to bills that keep blessing bills. Visit Frugal Friends podcast dot com slash bill, leave us your bill. Thank you. Now it's time for the lightning. So today we are talking about personal pink tax experiences. Yeah, this is your Halloween special. Yes, get ready, it's so spooky. Um So, because I was only introduced to the pink tax last year, I am not as familiar with it. But I have found, as the mom of a son that I actually can save a lot more money because everything I can use everything unisex. And so with girl stuff, I found that, I mean, and even for me, I know if I had a girl, I would be much more prone to getting the the frilly stuff and the accessories and all this extra flufe like I could see myself doing it. I'm not above it. But with a boy, I feel like he's going to destroy everything, and so I spend money on nothing, make sure everything nothing to destroy. I give him trash to play with and other people's hand me downs and so I parent very affordably, and I know that that is in part due to the fact that I have a son instead of a daughter. Um. So I don't know if there's other parents that feel differently or the same. I've never had a daughter, so I don't know. Um, but I'm just comparing it to the other reasonable parents. I know, UM that it seems like they spend a little bit more. Part of that is pink tax. Maybe part of that is just you choosing to spend more, But the items are actually more money. And I mean we even see, like go to just Target or Walmart and you see that the sections are even larger, Like there are a lot more girl items that you can purchase than there are boy items to purchase, and very similar types of onesies, outfits, you name it. Are more money in the female version than the male version. So that's the pink tax. But of course, your own desire to consume those things you can control. Yeah, but I think there's the option to buy more things for your daughters. Um. I don't think it's just numbers. I think it's also like mental to like marketers taking advantage of people. I experience, well, one of them that stands out to me with the pink tax I used to be a case manager at a home for It was a residential facility for um youth, so they both lived there and went to school there. It was quite the scenario, and as case manager that tip that pretty much meant I was the parent to fifteen teenagers. That was funny to watch. I basically don't remember much of my life at that time because it was insanity, responsible for everything from court appearances to like getting them clothing and taking them for haircuts. So what I want to talk about is the haircuts. I had this brilliant idea. Okay, I've got fifteen teenagers that are pretty much all their their mind, like they're my responsibility entirely. Uh, and they all need haircuts, so I'm going to do this in batches. Uh. And I had one female on my caseload who had very very short hair and she wanted to like get a buzz cut, like she wanted a typically male type of haircut, and she wanted to go to the barber for it. So I took her, along with a group of five other young teenage boys um to a barber and the barber told me he would cut all of the boy's hair, but he would not cut the girl's hair, even though it was the exact same thing. If I could even say, like a lot of the guy's hair was longer than her hair, so it wasn't a matter of like length or technique or anything, so like she had a head shaped differently than the rest of them. I don't know. I couldn't explain it, like I and I went back and forth with him for quite some time, like, what do you mean you can't do her hair? I don't have the licensing for it. What do you mean you don't have the licensing for is head of hair? I can't do it. You're gonna have to take her someplace else. So anyhow, long story short, I had to take her to a salon where, yes, we spent more than triple the amount on her hair cut, mostly because it's barbera only charged like eight dollars to cut the guy's hair. And then we went to a salon where I think we had to pay like forty five dollars for her to get like a buzz cut. So that was yeah, I mean that was like ten years ago, and that still stays with me. I don't know, I haven't looked into it. I mean, maybe a barber can get on line and correct me, like if there are actually licensing differences. But yeah, even they're different schools, so I don't I mean, here, they are different schools, and right, I get that, and I but I just yeah, I was under the impression that it was like the type of cuts that you're doing that you're licensed for. You know, maybe you're not going to do color, you're not going to do and a cure as you're not going to do certain things like that. But either way, I think it's a problem. So yeah, for sure. Wow, Well, if you have any pink tax experiences that you found solutions for, we'd love to hear in the Frugal Friends community on Facebook. This is not a place to complain about your pink tax experiences, but we want to hear constructive like solutions to help other people that have the same problems in their life. So please get into the group and help help other people, because when we it's it's through community that we fight this and that we fight that disparagement in pricing. It's a little fun, but yeah, it's a little thing, but it will make a difference for our daughters and their daughters in the future. So yeah, thank you so much for listening, um, and thank you for your kind reviews as well on iTunes and Stitcher like this one. Feeling validated and free from Sweetheart to seventeen. I just listened to episode one oh seven and have been feeling lost after having tried several methods. I had an unrealistic goal. I'm on a journey to be debt free and kept beating myself up because of my age. After listening, I feel validated that my goals are realistic and so what if it takes me five years, at least I'm doing something about it. Thanks for this podcast. That's right. Yes, the world can't fix everything, but at least you're doing something, and that is the goal so encouraging. Thank you for sharing that with us, Sweetheart. We also want to thank our friends who share these episodes on social media. When you share the latest episode and tag us on Facebook or Instagram, we're adding you to our monthly drawing. Here's what drawing is. For every five tags and reviews we get each month, we give away a copy of the Frugal Friends workbook. Yes, so if you want one of those, keep leaving us reviews on iTunes or Stitcher and sending the screenshot to Frugal Friends podcast at gmail dot com, and don't forget to tag us on social see your next work. Frugal Friends is produced, edited and mixed by Eric Seria. Um, how's your sugar fast going? Um? We did it. We just did it for a detox for three days. Um yeah, and then so it should have been longer, but we went on our you know, our anniversary trips, so we were like, we're just gonna do three days. And it was difficult, but good. I kind of I kept the fatigue and headache away with just some extra black coffee. Um. I typically lived one cup of day, and I think I was averaging. I did three cups the first day to the second day, and then I was down to just the one on the last day. So well, yeah, it was okay for me. Travis was feeling it a little more than I was. Did he drink coffee now? And then he then he criticized my drinking of it, which he does regularly. So I am unfazed. None of my business as I sipped my coffee with my pinky up. Oh well, good job trying to better yourself. Thank you. Yeah, I lost um, like seven pounds or something in three days. Yeah. Oh but it's back now, girl. So you know, you can't be perfect. You just gotta make little improvements and uh yeah I think I'll do it again for sure. But yeah, just more coffee next time and less judgment. Oh yeah, always probably the same amount of judgment, but more coffee.

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