Aaron Torres & Jason Martin React To Saturday NFL Games, Too Much Football On Christmas Week, Cam Ward Sitting Out, Joe Burrow MVP Talks, And More!!

Published Dec 29, 2024, 7:06 AM

Aaron Torres and Jason Martin react to the three NFL games on this Saturday with the Chargers clinching a playoff spot, Bengals staying alive, and the Rams getting closer to taking the division. Aaron and Jason also discuss why there may have been too much football being played in one week due to the holiday. Plus, the guys ponder Cam Ward sitting out in the bowl game, preview the next round of College Football playoffs, Jerod Mayo on the hot seat, and more!

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Welcome in Everyday Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Era Tors Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios. Tyreck dot com. We'll help you get there an unmatched election, fast free shipping, free road hazard protection, over ten thousand recommend it installers, tyreck dot com the way tire buying should be. Jmart Tonight's gonna be one of those nights, you know, I if Bernie Frado wants to call out sick for a couple hours. We got three NFL games to recap, we got a college football playoff to preview, we got camwre doing stuff, Mike McCarthy's future, Aaron Rodgers future. I don't know how we're gonna fit it all into three hours, Jmar, what do you think, my friend?

We're gonna try. And then of course we have the college football quarterfinals to preview as well, which is the first thing we would usually do. But there's so much happening. This is when we're supposed to be, you know, just sort of tidying up the house and getting prepared for the next year. We don't have time. No, there's too much live sports going on. Too many things happening, including look when you see Yukon and North Carolina, whoa man, what a basketball game? Well, no, it was a football game and Yukon won it. So there you go. What checka era is officially on the clock.

I didn't know we were going to talk about Yukon football turning Bill Belichick into a meme two minutes and fifty nine seconds into the show, But here we are. Saw a lot of Belichick memes from the Fenway Bowl Today, Yukon a nine win season for the first time since two thousand and seven. Might have to put that one on the back burner for right now, Jay Martin, I appreciate you bringing up I'm sure Ja Saga will have all the stats on that one later on in the show. But let's get into the three NFL games that took place on Saturday. By the way, Jason Martin, I don't mean to be a Christmas scrooge here before the New year, don't don't.

I'd really like to talk about two games.

Well, no, all I was gonna say was before the end of the show, we might have to talk about did the NFL actually give us too much football?

This week.

That might be a conversation we have that, but I'm not going to be a Christmas Scrooge. Right now, the Rams are playing the Arizona Cardinals. It is thirteen to nine. Rams have the lead, but the Cardinals are driving with about a minute to go. So we'll keep you updated on that one. J Mart. By the way, the stakes in that one. The Rams can't technically clinch the NFC West tonight. There is some complicated mathematics with that one because they are obviously a game up on Seattle and host Seattle to end the regular season in week eighteen, So technically the Rams cannot clinch. If they were to lose this game, it would set up a winner takes the NFC West next week at Sofi Stadium. But we will see where we are at the Rams up four with under a minute or about a minute to go. I do want to go to the game right before this, Jmark, because my goodness, what a game. So much to get to Bengals Broncos. I'm just gonna let the guys and girls that were in the booth get you caught up on what happened. Here is what happened. Bengals were up twenty four to seventeen. As the clock tick down, was it gonna go to overtime? Here's Bonnicks.

Bengals rush four Nicks deep drop.

Now Rollster's right, throws the ball he wants Mems in the corner of the end zone.

Marvin goes up, missed the catch. That's a different touchdown.

They are stunned here at pain Course Stadium. A twenty five yard touchdown pass Nicks.

To Mems, twenty five yard touchdown pass with eight seconds to go from bow Knicks ties the game, sends it into overtime. Bengals get themselves in field goal position. We think they're going to seal the victor with a field goal. Other plans this attempt will be for thirty three yards and to.

Win the game for Cincinnati. Snap placement, kick on the way.

And he hifts you upright and is so good all you can do is chuckle, really, oh man, goodness, Katie York thirty three yard field goal to win the game off the upright, as you heard, Bengals do force a punt.

Joe Burrow a perfect thirty three yard pass down the sideline sets this up.

The Bengals trying to win it from the three yard line of Denver Burrow looking to throw his pass.

It is cough my t Higgins touchdown.

It's a Bengals and the final playoff spot in the AFC will not be decided until the final week of the regular season. The Cincinnati Bengals are still alive. Has Joe Burrow hits Tay Higgins front game winning touchdown.

So that was the Bengals with the walkoff win in overtime thirty to twenty four, setting up that playoff scenario. Bengals still need help. The Broncos could have clinched the final playoff spot had they won this evening. The Bengals are still alive. They would need a Broncos loss next week, unlikely to the Kansas City Chiefs, which will almost certainly be resting starters, as well as a loss apiece from Miami and Indianapolis, who both have a game left. That is the situation in Cincinnati. By the way, should at least acknowledge that we got ourselves a little situation here in Sofi Stadium. The Rams are up four with forty two seconds to go. The Arizona Cardinals, though are in the red zone, first in goal on the about five yard line or so. If they score here, Arizona would take the lead in a game the Rams desperately want to win, and we got ourselves a very interesting play here. A tipped Kyler Murray pass appears to have been intercepted on the goal line or in the end zone. Really I want to see though, because as the player came down I can't see who caught it. I think the ball might have touched out of bounds, so off of a player's helmet. For the Arizona Cardinals, it is caught, does he have control and is he in bounds? From that angle, it looked like it was a good interception. It would seal a victory for the Los Angeles Rams. He was definitely in bounds. The question is did he have control? It looks as though he did have control, Jamart. We will wait for the official ruling here. The Rams may survive by the skin of their teeth, setting up a situation where they uh could win the division. Not technically done yet, but uh chaos in the final seconds here in Sofi Stadium.

It's wild. I mean, you had that thing first in goal. You did need a touchdown, so maybe you took you know, you took the risk you otherwise would not have had to take. But that's tough right there, it's tough. Did he have to settle boy? All kinds of drama. Yeah, they're definitely looking at this.

They are you think, you know with the nfl.

Angle right now in front of me. Let me see here.

Yeah, take your time. We're all trying to figure this out.

Man. I mean, the nose of the ball obviously hits the ground, but then the ball doesn't move. I know, Like that's the thing, Like he's got a grip on the ball. I think you have to rule that a catch.

I think so too. We are waiting on official ruling. An interception from a Kello Witherspoon in the end zone. Let me set this up, Rams up thirteen to nine. The Cardinals were driving and in the red zone a Kyler Murray pass hits off his receiver's helmet. Achilo Witherspoon catches it.

Did it?

Did he have control as it hit the ground? The call officially stands. The Los Angeles Rams are going to survive. They will improve with this victory. The Los Angeles Rams will improve. To let me make sure that I have all this accurately. I just had all of it up in somehow loss six ten and six absolutely, and with this victory they will be in fact ten and six. Technically, they do not clinch the division. The Seattle Seahawks are back one game. I will not bore everyone with super complicated math, but there is a possibility the Rams and Seahawks play next week at Sofi Stadium. There is a possibility that the Rams could lose that game and still get into the playoffs based on the math and based on strength to record and all of that. Had they lost tonight, it would have set up a winner goes to the playoffs, a winner wins the NFC West situation. Rams are in pretty good shape when next week they are in. Even if they lose, they may still get in based on strength of record. But it looks j Mart like they are going to survive here on a Saturday night at Sofi Stadium.

Look, all you gotta do is win in the league, and it doesn't always have to look impressive, and oftentimes it doesn't, you know. I mean, I think that Joe Burrow looked impressive, but a lot of things, as Zach Taylor did, I think we're questionable. A lot of things that that defense did were questionable, but they still won the game and they're still alive, and that's the only thing that matters. The style points, there's nothing to worry about here. So you win it however you can win it. It's a division game. The Rams are that kind of team that is rather dangerous if they were to make into the playoffs, just because they have some guys that if they show up big, they can they can be incredible difference makers. So this is you know, this is it's rough if you're Arizona, because they had a pretty good season, even though they kind of ran out of gas down the stretch. But unfortunately, this is kind of what that organization has been with Kyler Murray is they've been like on the doorstep a couple of different times in his career, but they just haven't been quite good enough. They've had a moment or two that have cost them dearly. And you see a couple of their players, you know, teering up on the sidelines. They realized how close they were, and I think they felt like they were about to get this done. But the other guys have good players too, and the Rams dB made a heck of a.

Play Cardinals started two and four this year, proceeded to win four straight to improve to six and four going into their buy. With the loss tonight, they will be one and five posts by fall to seven and nine Cardinals using all their timeouts, Rams on their goal line just trying to get it out clock, you know, and take basically take a knee and get the victory. And it looks like they will be basically able to do that here Arizona is out of timeouts. The Rams just basically have to basically snap the ball to Matt Stafford. He has to receive the ball and not fumble it, and the game will be over. J Mart Let's let's look ahead a little bit. Arizona looks like, as I mentioned, will fall with this loss to uh to a little bit of a disappointing seven and nine overall. And it looks like that last snap is good. There's a little pushing and shoving on the on the on the line of scrimmage here, so we'll keep you updated on that. But the clock is gonna run out. Helmets are off. After the pushing and shoving. There's there's you know, the the you know, the dap and the love from player to player I want to talk to you about the Rams. So, by the way, just setting everything up, Rams came into today if they lost this game. If they had lost this game the Los Angeles Rams, it would have been a win and your in situation for both them in Seattle next week they play each other Week eighteen at SOFI Stadium. With the win, the Rams don't technically clinch if they were to lose next week. There's a strength to record component. The Rams are still in good shape, but obviously they still have one more game to absolutely secure a spot in the playoffs as the NFC West champ. Real quick, Jmart, you mentioned Rams potential to do damage in the playoffs. It looks like right now, you know, barring something surprising, they would be the three seed. Right now, Atlanta, as your favorite to win the NFC South is in position to get the four seed, and it looks like the Rams would host the Green Bay Packers, who of course have a big one themselves in week seventeen against the Minnesota Vikings. You know, you mentioned a team that could do damage. I am curious for your perspective. One thing I will say really quick on the Rams. We'll get back to the Bengals and Broncos in just a second here, But the Rams. I was thinking about this this week is I think Sean McVay has weirdly somehow. I don't know if it's fair to say has become underrated as a coach. I think he's kind of underrated because you know, he made that first Super Bowl run doesn't work out, wins the title. But remember when they won that championship. It was this top heavy, star studded roster with not only Matthew Stafford, but Cooper cup at the peak of his powers, Aaron Donald, Odell Beckham, Von Miller, You go on and on down the list. This team is kind of Matt Stafford and I know Cooper Cupp is still obviously highly paid, but he's not playing his best football right now. It's Matt Stafford and a bunch of really young guys. You know, Pookinaku has been in ant of the lineup all year, Jared Versa on defense, Kyron Williams at running back. I'm really impressed by the coaching job that Sean McVay did. As the Rams have officially beaten the Cardinals thirteen to nine to improve to ten and six, as they get set for their Week eighteen game next week against the Seattle Seahawks team Mart, Yeah, I.

Mean I think it's a good point. I mean, I don't think anybody saw Sean McVay as a bad coach. I do think that this proves his ability beyond really being able to take anything away from him because you don't have the built in reasons why he succeeds. It's it's kind of that similar idea, not exactly the same, but similar ideas, like, well, Phil Jackson's never a coach, but never a great coach because he always had talent. Well one thing, it's hard to coach with talent. It could be hard to deal with those egos and deal with things like that. Luckily, on the Rams side, Stafford seems like he'd be easy to get along with. Cooper Cup was pretty you know, he and Robert Woods were both class acts the entire time that they were there. Woods of course left, but generally speaking, they've had those kind of guys. They've had, you know, lunch pale guys, blue collar guys that have been through there, and Sean McVay has been able to melt personalities really well. But you look at it now they are overperforming. They are they're performing, I think, better than you would anticipate. And the one thing that you can almost never say about players that end up in LA is they get worse when they're in LA, Like almost everybody gets better. He finds a way to use them to their best ability. And you know, credit to his staff too. But he puts that staff together, he understands and he lets those guys do what they are supposed to do. So mcveigh's a great leader, he's a great motivator, he's a great strategist. There's really nothing negative to say about him at all. I don't think the Rams are going to win the Super Bowl this year, but the fact that they are, you know, going to be in the playoffs and actually have double digit wins this year, especially considering the injuries that they've sustained on both sides of the football, speaks to Sean mcvay's continued ability and success.

Well, last quick thought on that, you know you mentioned credit to Sean McVay and his staff. I mean, this is a guy that routinely loses more guys, you know, think about it. I mean, you know, obviously lost Raheem Morris. This past offseason, lost Kevin O'Connell. You know, we could joke about Brandon Staley, but you know, he was part of a staff that had to be replaced at some point by Maybe that's Sean mcvay's greatest gift is he can just being in his presence, got Brandon Staley a head coaching job. But in all seriousness, you know, that's another thing about it. They've lost a lot of talent on the roster. But again, Raheem Morris. Remember Liam Cohen was on that staff two years ago now the offensive coordinator with the Tampa Bay Bucks. So the only point I'm trying to make is, like you said, I'm not saying that anybody thought that Sean McVay wasn't good, but I do think you know, when they won that Super Bowl, it was kind of like, Okay, the chips are all in the middle. You know, let's see what they got to do when they rebuild this. That the other thing, and I think they've just done a really good job. And the other part too is I think when we talk about the best coaches in the sport right now, you talk about obviously Andy Reid, you talk about you know, Kyle Shanahan up until this year, what he's done with all those different quarterbacks. I just feel like Sean McVay weirdly gets lost a little bit in the shuffle. But the Rams do win this game. They improved to ten and six. They can officially clinch the NFC West next week with a win over Seattle. Technically there is a possibility that they could win the division even with a loss. Fox Sports Radio erontors Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios. When we come back, we'll dive a little bit deeper into that Bengals Broncos game that finished about two two and a half hours ago. Also, Chargers ladle whooping on the Patriots, and we got to ask what's the future in New England because that was not pretty Discuss all that next. Fox Sports Radio.

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Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Eric Jason Martin. We are taking you till two am Eastern Time, broadcasting the I from the Tyreck dot Com studios. Jay Martin, I want to get to the other two NFL games, but something just struck me. During the break. We are basically Fox Sports Radio's unofficial college football postgame show, and in hour two we'll start looking ahead to the next round of the playoff. This is actually technically the last Saturday until August that we're gonna have college football on during our show because the college football playoff rezuoms Tuesday into Wednesday this week the thirty first. In the first I should mention you and I will be in for Jason Smith and Mike harmon ten pm Eastern on New Year's Day to recap the four college football playoff games. But then I actually looked up the schedule after because I wasn't sure. The semi finals are on a Thursday Friday, and I believe that's solely because that will be a weekend where the NFL has playoff games on Saturday, and then the National Championship Game is Monday, January twenty. So this is the last Saturday that we have jmart with college football on our airwaves during our show until week zero and August. Jmartin, I'm sad it.

Went very fast, so fast, like it's just it's here, and then it's not. We are luckily going to do that New Year's show, and so we're going to be able to, you know, comment as things are happening on that crazy night, and that's going to be a blast. But yeah, I mean, we've gotten used to it, and we get used to it every year and then we move on. And the one thing we have noticed, I think, especially over the last few years, is what's supposed to be kind of the slow period in sports ends up giving us all sorts of things we're not prepared for. That's the great thing about what it is that we do and how much there is to talk about is the variety that comes with it and the things that you're just flat out not anticipating, not expecting that end up being massive stories. I can't tell you what they're going to be, or it would kind of defeat the purpose of me saying that you're not expecting them. So that's why you'll be tuning in next year right here across Fox Sports Radio, because all the stories that come, whatever they are, whenever they are involving whoever they involve, will be here with them.

Yeah, And for the record, we still got a lot of good stuff on these Saturdays. We will have obviously NFL Playoff football two of those saturdays, and well, of course, by the way, be coming off, you know, Like I said, college football Playoff next week will be done with the quarterfinals when we get back on their next Saturday. The following Saturday, the semi finals will have been the two nights before, so we'll have plenty to react to, just nothing specifically on Saturday. So shout out to the Independence Bowl as Army leads Louisiana Tech. That will be officially the last college football game in our window here on Fox Sports Radio. But well that said, plenty of NFL still to come, including the two games today, I tell you what before we kind of break down Bengals Broncos and of course that Chargers beat down of the Patriots. Why don't for the first time this evening, let's get it over the news desk. Steve the Seger, go ahead, tell us what's turning?

My friend?

Hello, gentlemen, do you remember when the Rams played that game against the Bills just a few short weeks ago and it was forty four forty two their games since then was a twelve six win at the Niners, nineteen to nine at the Jets and tonight thirteen to nine over the Cardinals, which means, ladies and gentlemen, that the La Rams become the first NFL team in three years to allow under ten points in three straight games since the Chiefs in twenty twenty one, but in Rams history, they haven't done this since the mid nineteen seventies. We'll see if that matchup with Seattle next weekend is what decides the division. I am glad you brought this up earlier, Aaron. There are some machinations that could happen tomorrow.

If you have your abakus out and you can do the math for us, that explains exactly how the Rams clinched. But sorry, god go ahead.

Yeah, there are about five different games on the ledger that have an effect on the Rams, perhaps clinching tomorrow. Believe it or not. Rams over the Cardinals tonight thirteen to nine. Fuku Nakua ten catches one hundred and twenty nine yards really quick.

So with the strength of record stuff, can they technically clinch before Week eighteen? Yes, okay, I wasn't aware of that. I thought it would depend on what Even if they lost, they could clinch in week eighteen, but not before then.

So I it could happen by a Washington win tomorrow night, for example, that could affect all or you know, we get some upsets. It could happen tomorrow afternoon. Okay, yes, it certainly. And so this is the greatness of flex scheduling for the final week. Nobody still knows the start times of any of the NFL games next weekends. So we don't know if they're gonna flex rams Seahawks into a prominent spot because we don't know if it means anything in the division race. Yes, we're gonna have to wait till tomorrow. Cincinnati kept Denver from clinching at playoff berth overtime win for the Bengals against the Broncos thirty to twenty Fourty Higgainst three touchdown receptions, including the game winner. He had eleven receptions one hundred and thirty one yards. Chargers did clinch a playoff berth in the AFC with an easy win at New England forty to seven. Justin Herbert three touchdown passes, two to lad McConkie. By the way, the Georgia quarterback currently that's injured Carson Beck declared for the NFL Draft, And yes, we do have a late bowl game going on, Army twenty one six over Louisiana Tech. Now late third quarter of the Independence Bowl. We had bowl victories already for TCU and Nebraska. For Miami, Ohio and East Carolina BYU stomp Colorado at the Alamo Bowl thirty six to fourteen in Orlando, Iowa State over Miami forty two to forty one. I don't know if people saw, but the University of Connecticut won the Fenway Bowl today.

We already talked about it to lead the show. I'm glad you were pant touch.

Jim twenty seven to fourteen over North Carolina. This is kind of a PREEMPTI star before Connecticut gets adopted as the college football team for this show. But oh yeah, they did.

So I mentioned. I figured if I did it first, then that would save us from like a five minute diet tribe later.

We are thinking alike, But how about this. They are nine and four to finish the season, LSU Tigers eight and four. I'm just saying Texas A and M after last night eight and five, So.

Colorado nine and four. They're basically the same team.

Oh you need to know that college foot.

If everyone watched you kind of a little closer, they would have seen they had Heisman contenders, just like Colorad.

Anyway, another give me five of them, camer five players on their teams right now?

Well, Skyler Bell, who's actually in the portal, but play today? Does Durell Robinson County transferred to Auburn? Very good play?

I mean, this would this would this would? That question depends upon whether or not I knew he played for Connecticut at any point. Any The truth of the matter is, I have no idea of anybody. So you could just name say people. As long as you don't say Barry Sanders, I'd probably say, wow, impressive.

Dan Orlovsky. I mean with this new uh you know co rule, I don't know if he's got eligibility left. I mean, who's to say, oh, that's right. That rewrites history completely. K Pobby has just screwed up everything for everybody. I don't know what's the truth anymore.

And I did notice on the telecast they say that Connecticut gives coach Jim Moram four year extension exactly, he signed through twenty twenty twenty eight. This is never gonna end. This is the reign of Yukon football. This is gonna be every Saturday for the next four years. Nine and four is just the start.

It's just the start. What's crazy, really quick, if somebody did ask me this, they were like, so as an independent, they don't they're not. They can't qualify for like the G five spot as the last at large. So they the only way they can get into the playoff they have to have a Notre Dame like probably twelve and oh season. Even that I'm not sure would get him in. But you know what, though, it was still a good day.

But you know, they're in in the exact same bed as Notre Dame and you know, same type of college football program. Of course, yeah, I knew when the current rules came out for the twelve team playoff, we're going to have another great season. But you can't be a top four seat. Everyone's said that.

They were like Notre Dame and Yukon cannot be top four teams. And there was a you know, just people just went crazy when they found that out.

It's a fact. One final note NBA, the Knicks in overtime went at Washington. Knicks have won seventh straight one thirty six two. Jalen Brunson fifty five points nine assists. Back to you, thank you.

Very much, Steve Singer says, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Ara and Towards. Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tirereck dot Com Studios. Jmart we talked earlier in the show about the Broncos. Uh, you know, wild game with the with the Bengals a bow Knicks touchdown pass essentially as time expired, there was about eight seconds left, tied the game. It was a Hail Mary fourth down sends it to overtime. Bengals miss a field goal, then get the ball back Joe Burrow. A deep touchdown or a deep pass sets up a touchdown. I want to get to something Zach Taylor said in just a second before. I do know you're a Broncos fan. Yeah, and I know you just have thoughts on this game in general, just big picture takeaways. As the Bengals do survive in overtime, keeping their slim playoff hopes alive.

All you needed was a tie, you know, if you were Denver and you couldn't get that, you needed one first down. I didn't like the play call, But that is something I could have said several times during the course of this game. I've never experienced this as a Broncos fan, and I'm sure a lot of the listeners have experienced it with their teams, but I don't care for it. There is a tension for every offensive play that Denver runs. There's a tension in me, like, I don't watch it relaxed in any way, shape or form. I don't watch it excited in any way, shape or form. I'm like nervous and anxious before every single snap. I understand it's a rookie quarterback, but I mean generally he's protected the protected the ball pretty well. I mean, at one point in this game, I think he was sixteen of nineteen. You didn't have a ton of yards because he's you know, they've dink and dunk to death, and then they have like one big played two mems that gets some seventy eight yards or something like that. But I don't know if it's Sean Payton's play calling. It looks like sometimes they unlock the team, sometimes they have them locked in a prison cell somewhere I've never been. I can't it's so disjointed and weird. The Broncos play some really dramatic football games, but the last couple have not been good football games like this was not well played football across the board with coaches that are just having this incredible chess match. It's like which team wants to throw this game away? Worse and outside of Joe Burrow, I mean, Burrow played magnificent football, don't get me wrong, but his coach tried to take it away from him. His defense tried to take it away from him. Even his running back it looked like was going to try to take it away from him. I don't understand. I understand that Zach Taylor tried to explain, you know, not trying to drown the clock out more at the end of regulation, But that's how the Broncos end up with the touchdown. Yes, the throw that Nicks made to tie the game at the end, Yeah, that's a throw that's not going to be made too often. But he doesn't have the chance for that if you only give them twenty thirty seconds with the football instead of a minute thirty and the time out the way that the Bengals did. The one last thing, I will say, go for two, bro. I understand you're playing for the tie, but giving this thing to a coin toss, I don't like it. You end up having multiple attempts in overtime to win the game. But I would have just gone for two. You're in Cincinnati, and my best chance is to go ahead and go for the win right there against the defense that they're just not very good, and you should be able to call one play to get that job done. I'm not going to allow Joe Burrow to potentially go and beat me in overtime, as weird as that game ends up and the missfield goal and all this other stuff. If I'm Sean Paig, I would not have been upset with Sean Payton. He gone for two and the Broncos failed, and then they needed to win next week to get into the playoffs. I don't know who would have as a matter of fact. So again, I don't like the conservative choice to play for overtime, even if you just needed a tie, because the chances it was going to end in a tie weren't that good anyway.

So real quick, you kind of mentioned Joe Burrow, you know his coach? Is this is that Zach Taylor was asked about Joe Burrow and really, frankly his MVP candidacy. After the game, here's what he had to say.

I don't know that anybody can stand on a field and watch Joe Burrow and say he's not the best player in the world, you know. And then you can transfer that argument to Jamaar Chase as well, you know, and you can argue those.

Two to death.

But the clearest thing I can say is I would not trade Joe Burrow for any player in the universe. And so to me, that's MVP to me.

So real quick, Jamart, I want your opinion. I'll say this, John is my MVP, and I heard VJ and Martin talking about it earlier. I think Josh Allen's my MVP. I also think that there is no player who has, to the point that you just made, had to overcome more in his own organ you know, like relative to like the guys that are winning. I'm not talking about like Cayleb Williams, who's obviously, but like the guys that are in the mix. Like I think Joe Burrow has had to overcome more. I don't know that. I'm I think that that necessarily means he should win MVP, but I will say the betting odds plummeted in a good way for Joe Burrow after this game. He's not the favorite, but the odds are a lot different than they wore about six seven, eight hours ago.

Yeah, I definitely, I definitely concur with that. And again there's been this like trendy deal with times this year to go after Burrow. Yeah, and to act like he needs to be doing more. I expect a whole lot of silence real soon. I mean, that's a team that's won four in a row and Burrow has put them in position to win virtually every game. He'll throw five touchdowns and then at the very end of the game he'll get the ball thirty seconds left, not scoring. They're like Burrow overrated, Like it's absurd. He is that good when he's healthy. And they have had a defense that has not lived up to what you've expected from a lou Ana Riumo unit in the past. They've given up a lot of points, they've been incredibly inconsistent, and they have been really bad against big play offenses throughout this season, and he's still managed to handle it. He's dealt with injuries on his offense a lot. Burrow, I'm not sure entered the season for the first month feeling anywhere close to one hundred percent. I don't know where he is now, but yes, I agree, I think this is Josh Allen giear. Now. We'll see what happens when we get to the playoffs, but it's a regular season award. I think Josh Allen has distinguished himself there. And you can mention some other guys in the mix. You can mention in a Saquan or whoever else that you want to mention. But I agree. I mean, I think it's hard to argue this Bengals team is not a four win team without Joe Burrow. Like they go the way that they have, in the way that they have performed. He has been responsible for so many of their wins. And yes, you have Chase and you have t Higgins. I understand this, but that guy can find a way to get it done with virtually anybody, and a lot of Chase's success is due to Burrow getting in the ball where he does, just like Burrow's success is due to Chase being the guy. They have great chemistry. That's just kind of how it goes. Usually a quarterback and wide receiver go together. Like Best Picture and Best Director in the Oscars, it usually goes to the same film, and in this case, you're gonna get that again. I think that those guys make each other better, They make each other MVP level candidates. But I would I think Burrow would probably be second on my ballot as well, and I do think Lamar needs to be mentioned too.

Joe Burrow only player in NFL history with two hundred and fifty plus passing yards and three plus passing tds in eight straight games. So we will see, you know, if he can close it out with the He needs a lot of help next week. Not only do the Bengals need to beat Pits, but they would need help. But yeah, an incredible, incredible season for Joe Burrow. Fox Sports Radio AER towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios. One team not so much having an incredible season, New England Patriots Drod Mayo.

Seem ka week. Is he gonna be back next year?

We'll discuss that next Fox Sports Radio Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio AER Towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com Studios. Top of the hour, we will look ahead to the college football playoff games are Zoom Tuesday night, New Year's Eve Penn State, Boise, followed by three other quarterfinals on New Year's Day. But do want to wrap the hour talking the other NFL game we talked, of course earlier in the show. The Rams beat the Cardinals thirteen to nine. Rams can technically potentially clinch a playoff spot tomorrow. They have not officially clinched the NFC West just yet. Bengals win in overtime, keeping slim playoff hopes alive. And then there was the first one. J Martin Chargers forty Patriots seven. Patriots finished with one hundred and eighty one yards of total offense, eighty five passing yards thirteen of twenty four passing in the game, about three yards per completion. By the way, coming into today, the New England Patriots twenty ninth in total offense, thirtieth in scoring. And I'll be honest, I really until maybe the last week or so, it feels like this narrative has popped up, probably in the last like ten days or so. But with the loss, the Patriots have now lost seven straight games, six straight games. Excuse me dating back to their last win over the Bears, that was many, many, many weeks ago. I bring it up early November, by the way, it was the last time they won a game. Drod Mayo, Is this a one and done situation for him in New England?

I mean, it seems hard to believe because he was a hand pick successor for years, it felt like, and for him to come in and one year in he's out, that seems doesn't seem likely. But they have been really bad. We knew they were going to be bad, but they've been really bad. And he's actually not been good lad in games. He's had some He's had some definitely, he's definitely had some moments of just not making the best decisions. And I think that the media up there had gotten on him a bit as well. And then you recognize that you might really have a quarterback. And that's that's the thing. It's like, if you're not sure about the coach, but you're sure about the quarterback, that's a problem for the coach, and that's a problem for the organization because again, the clock on that rookie contract is rolling, and of course you don't want to stun his growth. You want him to be able to grow properly, and if you feel like he's being hindered by what's happening on the sidelines, then that becomes an issue. I think that Mayo will get another year as of right now, but I do think that the chorus is growing louder. We are hearing more than many of us probably thought. Coming into the year, it felt like Mayo was probably gonna be fine for a year and then we were going to see what was going on because they they didn't have a good offseason. It's been tumult for a while and it was going to take some time. This is going to be an incredibly important offseason. Whether it's him or whoever it is, they've got to go spend some money. They've got to go bring in some real skill talent and put it around the quarterback and see what they could actually get out of this experiment. But I do think his job is probably not as safe as we might have thought, but I think he will end up keeping it.

Coming into this afternoon or following this afternoon, I should say New England is three and thirteen. Giants have the worst record in the league at two and thirteen. They obviously play on Sunday. There are one, two, three, four, five teams all tied with three losses a piece, so they could have anywhere from like the two to the seventh pick. I assume you got to go get a wide receiver, right, you know, obviously Travis Hunter, you know, could be available. Tetuo McMillan from Arizona is another guy that people like. But I assume you got to go get some skill position talent on offense.

Yeah, I would say so. I mean, I think that Travis Hunter is probably the best bet. But whoever is top of your board when it comes to receivers or skill talent, that's what you've got to go get because it's what you don't have right now. We talk about how good you know, Burrow looks with who he has around him. He certainly made better by who he has around him, and he makes them better. You've seen the same thing in other parts of the league and other places in the league. You got to do the same thing for a Drake May And I think that's the benefits that you have. If you're the Patriots, you are a team that has a horrible record but already has a quarterback yep, and you feel like you have a quarterback. A lot of these teams have bad records are going to be in the quarterback sweepstakes, but that's not the case for the Patriots. The Patriots can just go get the best guy on their board and likely will have their pick.

And it'll be interesting saying if they do get the number two pick, guy that we're gonna talk about the next hour cam Ward. Somebody listen, We're gonna talk cam Ward. There's definitely a discourse about cam Ward right now. But I think he'll probably end up being the number two pick because I think somebody will want to trade up, even if it isn't a team like the Patriots that necessarily need a quarterback. Jacksonville could be in that mix as well, so it'd be interesting if they were to trade back and maybe pick some stuff up in the process. That's if they get the number two pick again, they there's a five way tie in the lost column for the second pick New York at two to thirteen. That is the New York Giants in position to get the number one pick. Fox Sports Radio Aeron Tords Jason Martin, we are broadcasting live from the Tyreck Dot Com Studios and hour of NFL is in the books. When we come back. Oh, we're gonna talk college football. We got four more college football playoff games coming up this week. Plus I just said it cam Ward, there's a discourse floating around. We'll discuss it all next. Fox Sports Radio Welcome in everybody, our two tourres and Martin Fox Sports Radio. We are broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com Studios tirerack dot com. We'll help you get there at unmatched election fast free shippig free road as a protection over ten thousand recommended installers, tirerack dot com the way tire buying should be. We are taking you up till two am Eastern time. Bernie Freddo over The Bernie Freddo Show follows us three NFL games on Saturday. As de Seger just told you, we did have a win for the Los Angeles Chargers. They beat New England forty to seven. LA clinches a playoff spot. Cincinnati beats Denver thirty to twenty four in overtime, Cincinnati keeping its slim playoff hopes alive. Denver can clinch a playoff berth with a win over Kansas City next week. The Rams go ahead and beat the beat. The Ravens beat the Cardinals on Saturday night. Los Angeles has not technically clinched a playoff spot. That's the Los Angeles Charger or Los Angeles Rams. Excuse me. They could clinch a playoff spot tomorrow depending on certain results. If not, they can clinch in Week eighteen against Seattle. Jmart audition to NFL. A lot of college football this week. A lot of college by the way, I listen, you know, I don't mean to you know, be you know, be whatever. I don't know what the right word is. I know you've had some stuff going on in your personal life, but outside of that, have you enjoyed having college football on in the background all these bowl games? You're not one of these people that says there's too many bowl games.

Right, I mean, there are too many bowl games. But the thing is they're not required viewing. So I've gotten to where I'm more just sort of ambivalent to it all. I will have in the background more often than not. It's fine to have it on. I don't think that most of these are not particularly compelling. If something gets close and you watch it at the end and you see, you know, what's happening. But I guess I've just at this point I don't care enough to just yell and scream about it. We all know why they exist and what they are. I think we all recognize. And that's why I wanted the twelve team playoffs and why I like it is because we have more games with stakes. Yeah, we had blowouts last week, yet, but those games mattered. There was a reason for those games to be played, and they were leading somewhere. The bulls that are exhibitions matter in themselves for maybe for some of those fans and some of those players to have those experiences, And you know what, that's fine. It doesn't always have to be for you. It doesn't have to be for me. But I am glad again that we are given so many more games now that have legitimate stakes toward crowning a champion. And as such, I'm much less bothered by a bunch of random bowls for teams that you know, had decent to pretty good seasons and are able to kind of celebrate during the holidays.

Get into some of those games that quote unquote matter. By the way, certainly, there's been some interesting results in the non playoff Bowl games late last night. You know, USC beating Texas, A and M caused quite an interesting conversation. USC beats a second SEC team this year, A and M loses. So there's been some interesting narratives that have come out of these games, Oklahoma losing the Navy. But let's focus on the games that matter going forward. We have four semi final games starting Tuesday night, Penn State Boise in the Fiesta Bowl that leads into Texas and Arizona State in the Peach Bowl, Rose Bowl, Oregon, Ohio State, and of course the nightcap on New Year's Day, Notre Dame versus Georgia in New Orleans. Should mention, by the way, Jason Martin and I will be on from seven to eleven Pacific, that's ten to two am Eastern doing the recap show. Jason Smith and Mike Harmon nice enough to take the night off so we can fill in. J mart I will let you take this wherever you please. Game that intrigues you, or maybe the question I should ask, what do you believe will be the lead story coming out of those four playoff games Tuesday and Wednesday?

I think the game that the game that I'm most excited for is Ohio State Oregon. I want to see that game again. I want to see if the Ohio State that absolutely dismantled Tennessee is a is a one hit wonder or if they can take that show on the road and live up to that talent yet again. And I know Ryan Day wants to see that too, because his honeymoon will last all of about ten days if they go out and lose again, even to an undefeated Oregon team. So I think I'm most excited for that game.

Yeah, let's start with that one, because I'll be honest. So you and I were obviously on in this time slot last week, and we were coming on after the Ohio State Tennessee game, and listen, you and I have both been critics of Ryan Day, but it was an incredible performance. We saw why Vegas still had Ohio State as the national championship favorite even after they lost at Oregon, even after some of their their you know, ups and downs over the course of the season. I'll be honest, though, I did feel like, in my opinion, I was a little bit surprised to see the discourse. I'm not even talking about the betting odds because the betting odds are obviously based on you know, analytics and numbers and this and that, but it did feel like to me the discourse immediately went to from Ohio State stings fire, Ryan Day shouldn't come back if they lose this game to oh They're actually the best team and should now be considered the favorite to win the national championship. I'm not saying that Vegas odds. I'm not talking about the Vegas odds. I'm talking about just the conversation among college football fans. Were you as surprised by that as I was, because I found it kind of strange that everybody, he felt like, just did a complete one on Ohio State right after that game.

Yeah, well, I mean you saw the talent be the talent and all the like, if they if that talent shows up, yes, I mean yes, they should be the favorite to win it all. I think when you look at talent across the board, question is is it going to consistently show up? And we don't know the answer to that. And the Ryan Day question, I did find it amazing that you then had the see we told you Ryan Day was good kind of apologists coming out of the woodwork, and it wasn't good. It's just, yeah, the thing is this, And you know, I've even heard the argument that it's unfair. It's like, Okay, you can't beat Michigan. It's unfair to that that's the only thing that matters, and you don't look at the red, then don't take the job like that. That is the job at Ohio State. You either beat Michigan or you got a problem. You either compete for Big Ten championships or you got a problem. You either right there on the doorstep and or winning national championships, or you've got a problem. You don't go to Ohio State and become the head coach in Columbus to beat Maryland and to beat Purdue, and to beat Illinois and to beat Michigan State. You go there to dominate your rival as much as possible, at least to win Big Ten championships and to win national titles. And Ryan Day has been unable to do those things. So to argue that it's been unfair critique is ridiculous to men. I've heard a few other people say the exact same thing I just did, and I think that that's the right argument here. But again, I don't think that It's crazy to look at Ohio State and say, oh, Okay, that's the team we've been waiting for. Now they've woken up because it's the playoff. I'm not willing to go there quite yet, just because I need to see that more than one time in a row. This team coming off that Michigan loss, which is as battle loss as that university has sustained in twenty years, probably maybe even more. That team showed up with a chip on its shoulder from the sideline all the way through everybody wearing a uniform, and it was a buzzsaw that night. Are they still gonna have that same energy against Oregon? Are they upset that Oregon beat them? They feel like they should have done it. It was kind of a weird finish to that game. And Will Howard wants to make amends for the way that that game ended where they weren't able to get the playoff because of you know, him giving himself up there late all of those things. Are they going to be playing Are they going to show up with that kind of energy or are they going to show up and be pretty good but not up to the level of their talent, Because that will not be good enough that will get them beat against Oregon. If they show up against Oregon on the road or you know, going across the rose Ball. If they go there and they lose that game by double digits, we still have the same problem that we've already had. And Ryan They's seat becomes incredibly hot again. I don't care how many people say that he was never gonna get fired. You will never get me to believe that if they had lost to Tennessee. But even if they go and get fairly handled by Oregon, it'll be the same problem.

So I agree with with everything that you just said, is that I don't believe he's out of the woodwork. And you know, look, neither of us is rooting against him. I just have Yeah, I just have doubts and and I think the thing with Ryan Day is we've seen these performances in big games. It's just we don't see them consistently. I mean, you look at this year. You go to Oregon, you're a play away from beating them. The next week you come back and play Nebraska and it's a one score game, a game that you could have easily lost. You know, you go and play Indiana, you destroy them as a top ten team, and obviously we could debate that Indiana have been there, whatever, but that was a big game in the moment, and then you immediately lose to Michigan. And so I think that's my concern with them, is that it feels like no one to your point, no one has ever questioned the talent. The big question is is it Nobody's ever questioned the talent. The big question is can you get it consistently? And by the way, nobody's questioned that Ryan Day can coach up his team in a big game, except maybe outside of Michigan, which is obviously a huge game. I'm not undermining undermanning it. But he has won big games before. It's just again, he hasn't won consistently, and he certainly hasn't beaten Michigan. First of all, let me ask you this, Oregon. I mean, this is a team and I know it was only a one point win, but this is a team that did beat Ohio State at home earlier in the year. This is a team that did beat Penn State a few weeks ago. This is a team that really, outside of basically the three playoff teams that they played this year, Ohio State, Boise and Penn State really kind of destroyed everybody. Is this team being overlooked at the Oregon Ducks. Do you think that they're being overlooked coming into this game? Maybe because of how good Ohio State looked when we last saw them.

Perhaps I think that Oregon's just kind of despite the fact that they have been consistent all year long. I mean, look, they had to you know, escape the feed against Boise State, they didn't look great against Wisconsin. You know, they had a couple of games where they had to earn it a little bit more. But I think they've just kind of consistently handled their business to the extent that you just kind of take it for granted. And Ohio State, because they've everything they've done has been full of drama down the stretch, and there's I mean, there's no questions about the coach there. I mean, Dan Lanning's fine unless he wanted to go somewhere else. You don't have anybody clamoring for that. Everything's kind of been positive surrounding them. Dylan Gabriel's been excellent. Everything's rolling out there, and so I think that as a result, it's kind of it hasn't gone under the radar. It just hasn't had the headlines because there hasn't been as much juice there. It's just everything's going good there. If they win at all, I don't think it should surprise anybody. I don't know that they are being underappreciated. I think they might be being under discussed. Agree, because that pizazz that comes with the drama in Columbus and some of the other storylines surrounding some of these other teams and even the teams that didn't get in, is just more interesting for the pundit class.

So we'll skip by the way just a quick unless you see an upset coming, because I want to get to Notre Dame Georgia really quick. But yeah, do you see an upset coming in Texas, Arizona State or Penn State Boise? We can be quick on both of those because I'll be honest, great stories, but I don't see either of those teams getting the win there Boise and Aera State.

That is, yeah, I don't either. I don't either, and I think this will be we'll be changing up who's getting the buys and all of these things. They've been excellent stories. I don't think Arizona State has seen a challenge like what they're going to see from Texas's defense, and I think that's going to potentially be the difference there, and really the same thing. I mean, Penn State, all they have to do basically is bottle up the run game and force the quarterback to try and beat them, because I don't think that he can. So I do think Texas and Penn State will advance. And when you asked me earlier, you know, well, was a game I was looking most forward to and all this, I think that that's a different story than the one that I'm most intrigued by, and I think that's the one we're about to talk about, and that's Notre Dame in Georgia.

Yeah, let's talk about it. Georgia, of course, is coming into this game not only without Carson Beck. He is out for the year. He actually declared for the NFL Draft today to Seger told us that earlier in the show, So not only is he out for this game, he's out for the season. Gunner Stockton obviously getting his first career start going up against a really good Notre Dame defense Georgia outside of Carson Beck. You know, does have is coming off two weeks where they have not played a game yet. You know, as Kirby Smart famously said after the SEC Championship game, thank god we got to buy because Greg Saki sent us all over the place to play all these big road games. So Georgia of course SEC champ. And I'm having a trouble with this one, j Mark, because like you know, I was saying about this is and I think it applies to all these teams. We get so caught up in the most recent thing that we seen. And Georgia was admittedly awesome in that SEC Championship game. They also easily could have lost to Georgia Tech in the final game of the regular season. Maybe should have lost to Georgia Tech in the final game of the regular season. They're a team that you and I were on for so many of those big games. You know, you lose to Alabama, Okay, that's fine, but you know you just get blown out of the water early in the game and then are playing from behind. Easily could have lost to Kentucky, did lose to Old Miss. And I'm not saying Old Miss and Alabama on the road are bad losses, but I'm just saying, this is not an infallible team. This is not the Georgia team from even two three years ago when they were running through everybody, and Notre Dame is a good football team, plays real defense. What do you expect from this game?

Again?

You and I will be on air for that game as it goes final, filling in for Jason Smith and Mike Harmon at ten pm on Wednesday night.

So in answer to the question that you gave earlier about what are we going to be talking about? What is the world going to be talking about after January First, I think there's a good chance it'll be Gunner Stockton and it's either going to be a real positive or a real negative. That's why this game intrigues because we really don't know what we're gonna get there. We just don't. I mean, he looks pretty good the little bit that we've seen of him, But this is a completely different animal. This is a completely different challenge. This is four quarters against a good defensive Notre Dame team that is fundamentally sound, that has been steamrolling teams ever since the blemish against Northern Illinois. This is a team that can absolutely beat them. This is the best Notre Dame team in terms of this is the best potential that they have to actually make a really really deep run that we've seen in quite some time, and George's defense hasn't been quite as dominant, So Stockton is actually going to have to do something here. I don't think that they can just run the ball and play defense and beat Notre Dame. I don't think that it's gonna work that way. I think that their strategy is going to be to try to get Riley Leonard to throw the ball and try to kind of curtain Ail to run on the other side. But what is Gunner Stockton gonna do? And I don't think that we have anywhere enough data points to address it. We just don't know. So that I think is why it is likely to be a story. If he goes out and puts on a show man, the discourse surrounding that the next day is gonna be immense. If he goes out there and it's kind of mediocre and Notre Dame gets, you know, gets to win as a result of that, that becomes the storyline. It's a little bit unfortunate for Notre Dame that they don't get to play against Carson Beck only because even if they win, there's gonna be a built in narrative surrounding that even if Notre Dame proves out would have proven out to be the better team. I'm not saying that they would. I'm just saying that there's always gonna be a kind of side eye attached to this if Notre Dame does indeed beat Georgia. And it's largely because Gunner Stockton goes out there and goes like ten of twenty six with a couple of interceptions or a fumble or stripsack or something like that. But that may exactly be what we get. I kind of tend to think Gunner Stockton's gonna be fine. He's probably gonna be pretty good. Question, is pretty good gonna be enough?

Great point by you, Even if Notre Dame wins, it does feel like the discourse is going to be, well, what would it have been if Carson Beck was playing Carson back? By the way was got up and down this year? If he actually watched him, and I know you and I did. But for people that are kind of just locking in on college football right now, kind of an up and down year for Carson Beck. But obviously it's unfortunate that he did have the injury. He is not only out for the season, but his Georgia career is over. He announced this week or he announced today actually, that he is going to declare for the NFL Draft, So Gunner Stockton gets the start. And again a quick reminder the game. The playoff games start Tuesday night, New Year's Eve, Penn State and Boise in the Fiesta Bowl, Texas, Arizona State, Oregon, Ohio State, and of course the game we're just talking about Notre Dame Georgia are the nightcap that those are all on Wednesday, New Year's Day. And oh, by the way, I should mention that Jason Martin and I will be on air filling in for Jason Smith and Mike harmon ten PM to two am, so we are gonna have a full four hours or we're probably just gonna be talking about those college football playoff games.

Do you like that, by the way, that one of those games is not played on New Year's any other three are? I mean, I get it, I get where you're playing and all of those things, but kind of feels like all four of those games should be played on the same day.

I have no fundamental issue with it. And I will also say I am somebody that I'm just the most selfish person ever with the remote. And it's like everybody whenever I go to like even New Christmas Eve, you know, like I feel so bad because I guess just because of our business, and you know, there's always a game to watch. Even Christmas Eve, it was like, Aaron, what should we put on? Like everyone was waiting for me to decide, and so I just think it'll be cool to kind of have a game on, you know, probably up until about eleven pm Eastern or so, you know, take us right into the New Year's Eve festivities. So I actually don't mind it. I would rather have that than the void of having nothing on and just have I hate to put it like this, but having to entertain people and having to do whatever. Obviously, my family and I aren't gonna be doing much, you know, knowing that you and I are gonna be doing a four hour show the next day, it's probably gonna be pretty light. But I like there. I like that there's a game on New Year's Eve. I'm not gonna lie.

So okay, Well, I mean I guess I used to get down with the Peach Bowl the night before, right, Like you used to have the Peach Bowl in New Year's Eve, and that was what wherever I was, that was generally the game that was on there. A lot of us would watch that while we were you know, having fun and doing everything that was going on there. I think it's just something about the fact that those four games being the games that they are, with those stakes, it just feels like a three year played on one day. Why would all four of them not? But you know, I guess I don't have a fundamental I like the fact that we have two days of games that we really need to pay attention to. I just guess. I guess, I just it just seems a little bit weird that you have one of them played and then the other three the next day.

It's a fair point, by the way, should mention I mentioned this earlier. The two semi final games are on a Thursday night and a Friday night. So that's some bizarre stuff right there. The college football fans will have to get used to Fox Sports Radio aer Toris Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tyrek dot Com studios. Speaking of bizarre things, college football fans have to get used to Pop Tarts Bowl was today. We aren't talking about the edible mascot jmart but there was an interesting discourse that came out of the game. We'll discuss that next. Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Aer Torris, Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios. Football fans be sure to tune in to Fox Sports Radio every Sunday morning, beginning at ten am Eastern seven Pacific for count Down to Kickoff presented by bet MGM, Brian No, Jeff Schwartz, a professional better Bill Krakenberger. We'll have you covered three hours before kickoff. Every Sunday morning. Listen to count Down to Kickoff presented by bet MGM right here on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Interesting discourse emerged from the Pop Tarts Bowl. We're gonna get to that in just a moment. Before we do, though, let's get it over the news desk. Steve de Sager, what is Trenday?

Hello once again. You know earlier in the night we told you there's one notable performance from the NBA there too now actually, but New York when it won its overtime game at Washington this evening. The Knicks got Jalen Brunson's fifty five points and nine assists in that win. One thirty six, one thirty two in ot Knicks had one seventh straight and this is just gone final for Dallas. Kyrie Irving has scored forty six points, but they lost at Portland. Tried the fourth quarter comeback, outscored them by eleven in the fourth, but fell short one twenty six, one twenty two against the Blazers, which means just one game still going, and that's in La, about nine minutes to go, Lakers leading the Kings one thirteen ninety three. In case you didn't hear, the Kings fired coach Mike Brown yesterday, so this is the debut for the interim coach Doug Christie, who is long a fan favorite in Los Angeles, where this game is tonight Sacramento Queens. He says, tongue in cheek. Three NFL games tonight capped by the Rams home victory over Arizona thirteen to nine Poka Nakua ten receptions, one hundred and twenty nine yards. Bengals in overtime beat the Broncos thirty to twenty four, t Higgins three touchdown receptions, including the game winner, and the Chargers Justin Herbert through three TD passes as LA clinched a playoff berth in the AFC, winning easily at New England forty to seven. The last of the college football bowl games tonight is now a final number twenty two. Army has won twenty seven to six over Louisiana Tech at the Independence Bowl. BYU dominated Colorado at the Alamo Bowl thirty six fourteen Top twenty match up in Orlando went to Iowa State over Miami forty two to forty one. In college basketball Top twenty five match up in Los Angeles at the LA Clippers New Arena, UCLA beat Gonzaga sixty five sixty two, The Bruins in the final minute five for five on free throws while the Zags missed a free throw to tie with eight seconds left. Thirteenth ranked Texas A and m ripped Abilee Christian ninety two to fifty four at Memphis Tigers over number sixteen Ole Miss eighty seven to seventy. Tigers led by two at the half, and Utah State on a late three pointer one at number twenty San Diego State sixty seven to sixty six. Among the eleven NHL games, Carolina five to two winner over New Jersey, Tampa Bay won sixty two over the Rangers. Washington a five to two winner at Toronto.

Back to you by the way to Stigera. I actually went to that un Clagains Zagaga before. It was a beautiful arena. First time I've been. Have you been in then? It is insane. It is futuristic, like, uh, there's a lot of bells and whistles in that place. Let me put I'll say this. You know I I always was thought it was weird. You know, hey, just stay at Staples. Why do you need to build a new arena.

They were just renters for twenty five years.

They were, But now I get it it Balmer wanted something that was his. It is a beautiful arena. Game was kind of iffy for about thirty five minutes. Last five minutes or so, We're awesome, but but the arena was beautiful. It was a great Ucla crowd too. As you know, Ucla can kind of be hit or missed sometimes, but great Ucla crowd. They get to win there.

So and for those who are unaware it's essentially across the street from the Rams.

Literally, yes, yeah, it is a beautiful arena so far. And by the way, really quick, this is very random, but credit to everyone in Englewood because the traffic was really kind of moving because the game got out around three thirty, game was coming in and it really everybody did a good job of, you know, kind of coordinating those two events where you say something.

I was, yeah, when you were talking about those two events going on kind of at the same time, did you notice that you with the flex scheduling and the NFL at a really late date saying which three games are gonna be today's three games? New England Patriots had a home game at the same time as the Fenway bawl Oh it's going on in Boston. Did not know the Yukon win.

Well, Chargers looked really good, Huskies looked really good, and tar Heels and Patriots not so much.

And Bill Belichick showing up for the North Carolina.

Yeah, I'll say this, Jamart. I want to get to Kim Ward, but I have one quick thought on that, like my whole belief that Bill Belichick really By the way, thank you to Sager. We'll get back to you in just a few minutes. I kind of have a take like Belichick, I just don't think he really understands like the little things that you're gonna have to do to be a successful college head coach, and like this sounds stupid, but I feel like that's kind of a metaphor. So if people don't know North Carolina play their bowl game in Boston today. I know it's a little weird Boston whatever, but I think that's like kind of an example of Belichick, Like you probably just show up and shake hands and do an interview because it's good for the brand and it's good for the programming.

Didn't do it.

It's not an everything, But I think it's kind of a little tiny metaphor for like, does he really know the it can't it's not just about x's and o's, you gotta do all these other things. I thought that was a tiny metaphor. Maybe I'm overreacting though.

Jmark, Well, I mean I didn't see his rational, but i'd seen the story days before the game that he wasn't gonna be there, and I figured maybe he just didn't want to upstate. He wanted to give this team the stage and not be there as a distraction or anything like that. That's how I read it, but I don't know, like because I didn't Sorry, brother, I didn't watch that It's Connecticut North Carolina game and any kind of detailed today, I don't know if that if that was his stinking or if it was just like, I don't want to do that, and so he's just not going to. I think the larger point, though, is the right one, which is coaching in college is so much more than the x'es and o's that he's been used to trying to handle any NFL. That's where I just don't see how this works, because I don't think he's gonna want any part of what he has to do, whether today is an example of that or not. There are so many little things that are gonna feel, I think, increasingly and really fast to him, like just straight up new senses, like things that he's just flat out not gonna like at all. And so this either ends up a Steve Belichick show pretty fast, or it's gonna really spiral out of control quickly because I just don't think he's long for the job. Because based on everything you know about Bill Belichick the control that he wants and all of these things. I just can't imagine that all these little details of college football are dotting the i's and crossing the t's that don't have anything to do with your game planning and how good a defense you can call. Uh, those are not going to be fun for him at all.

So I agree with that. By the way, speaking of just weird stuff that happens in college football, let's get very quickly to the cam Ward discourse from today. So de Seger just told you we did have the Pop Tarts Bowl earlier in the day. Iowa State wins forty two to forty one.

Apparently cam Ward just likes to warm his in the microwave and take it out. He hasn't want it to be fully toasted. He only wants it about halfway.

Well, yeah, whatever it was, it was an interesting day. So, by the way, it's interesting because like the people that run the bowl game really hyped up, like, hey, this guy is maybe the number two pick in the draft. He's playing in this game, like, you know, the same way shand Or Sanders and Travis Hunter, to their credit, played in the alme Bolt didn't go well, but like cam Ward. It was like, oh, no, he's playing, even though he's a potential number two, number three pick in the NFL draft. Bring it up because for people who miss this story, played in the first half through three touchdown passes, which set an NCAA record if you include his fcsda's at Incarnate Word, his time at Washington State, and his time at Miami, one hundred and fifty six career touchdown passes that is the most all time in college football history. Then, after he set the record, was pulled and sat out the second half that included a drive late in the game when Miami trailed he could have come back in helped the team win. And I will say it really did become kind of a conversation on social media of if you show up to the game, if you suit up, and you play in the first half, why are you not playing in the second half, especially when your team needs you to win? And again, I think it's worth noting the alternative as well, is if you had just decided weeks ago, hey, I'm not playing in this game. I've proven everything there is to prove that before line. So I guess the question is, did you have a problem with the decision to show up, set the record, sit out the second half when your team could have used you to win.

I don't know, because he didn't have to play in the game at all. He did play, and he broke the record, which will probably last not very long because Dylan Gabriel will break it pretty quick. But him not coming back in the game, I mean, I think it just shows that the Bowl game didn't mean anything. If you and Mario Christobal didn't comment on it after the game at all, I wouldn't doubt that the coaching staff was well aware that that was what was going to happen. I mean, LSU had the exact same thing happened last year. The difference was they ended up coming back to win that game. But Malite Neighbors broke the receiving record and then checked out of the Relyoquest Bowl. Nobody even remembers that. As now he's almost done with his first year in purgatory with the New York Giants, But he looks like he's got a really bright future, and you just kind of move on from it because we're now used to the early opt out. He did go, he did show up for his team, He did play a half, and he played very, very well. The only thing I was thinking in my head, I was like, maybe you don't want to come back in because he's tired of bailing out the defense. Sure, but not to be as negative about it. I just kind of shrugged my shoulders and say, I'd have been fine if he had opted out completely because the injury risk and you know what happens if he does have a Matt Carroll kind of moment and that affects whatever he's going to do going forward, sets him back in his career. Maybe he never becomes what he could be, or doesn't even get picked in the same spot because he's going to miss a year. You know, then everybody would second guess why he would have played in this game in the first place. He was gonna lose no matter what unless he just played the whole thing and somehow came out unscathed. I just I have a hard time being too upset with the business decision that was made, especially considering like it or not, it's not cam Ward was Miami born and bred the whole time. I mean, he played for multiple universities. He came in for a year like a mercenary. He did everything that you wanted him to do. If you had a defense, you'd be playing in the college football playoff right now. He gave you all that he had. I just find it hard to get too upset at him looking towards his future rather than any kind of a risk. You know, after breaking that record, you can just say that getting the record was selfish and you've been better off not playing that part. I understand. I also think that I feel like most Miami fans would just be happy they got to see him one more time, even if they can get to see him for four quarters.

Yeah, this is one. I'll just be quick because I want to get back to Seger. I know, and I say this sometimes, but I know when we come on these airwaves, everybody wants us to have a big, strong, bold opinion about everything. I just can't get too worked up about this man. You know, I'm happy that we got to see him a little bit more. I think strategically, probably it would have made sense either play the whole game or don't play at all. I just there's too much serious crap to decision. There's too much arguing with se fans over whether Bama should have been in or not and all the other discourses that we have over the course of a week in sports, that this is just one I can't get mad at. I was kind of surprised when I heard weeks ago that he planned on playing in this game, so I'm happy that we got to see it. I wish him luck. By the way, I did see that the Giants had a lot of their brass there. Joe Shane obviously the GM was at this game. So I just I can't get worked up about it.

I really can't.

And and by the way, I don't I think this will be a question that NFL teams probably ask in the process. I don't think this is something that it's like, oh, yeah, the Raiders took them, took cam Ward off their board because he set out the second half. It's like, everybody, chill out. Yeah, I've said what I had to say. I just can't get worked up j Martin about this. But cam Ward does sit out the second half against against Iowa State. Iowa State rallies to win the pop Tarts Bowl, where we do have, yes, the edible mascot at the pop Tarts Bowl. So Fox Sports Radio ertors Jason Martin will come back when we do. Steve Disager, He's got the extended update on everything you missed from what was a very busy, very busy last Saturday of twenty twenty four. Disager's up next with his exten extended update. Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio er tors Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios. Love you, Mary, Appreciate Mary. I told her, I said, we don't have to turn off the Christmas music just because Christmas is over. It's still December. Terrace still stays up for another week or two, or six or eight into February. Tell you what enough from Taurus. Let's get over the news desk. Disager let us know what's trending in this world right now.

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By the way, are you guys aware that that was written decades ago in the neighborhood right by Warner Brothers, right by where our sister station is, the Dodger station in La on a ninety degree day in July. I did not know that absolutely. By the way, as you were talking about Bill Belichick, and he's not going to want to do these things that college football coaches have to do. I just pardon me for laughing. There is one name that came to mind as soon as you began that conversation, and that is Chip Kelly, the guy left UCLA as head coach to become offensive coordinator in Ohio State just goo so he could return to quote, pure coaching.

Well, and in basketball, I've seen it too, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullin, these guys that have NBA backgrounds, and I just think, you know, if one if you've never been in that space, but two like these NBA guys, and I think Belichick would fit in this category as well. Well, you got one hundred million dollars in the bank, Like I'm sorry, it's it's hard to sit on a zoom with a seventeen year old and you know, hey, I'm gonna commit to you. No, Well, but I need another two hundred and fifty k because Miami. You know, I'm just using Miami's It's just I just think it's a lot of little stuff that's going to add up quick as.

You put it this way, as the La Times put it this way. Of the former UCLA football coach this past spring, Chip Kelly put in a minimal effort in recruiting barely engaged boosters, did next to nothing to enhance his team's name, image and likeness efforts. Let that sink in. The highest paid state employee in California did not want to do his job, so he left end quote.

I mean that's pretty descriptive.

I mean, I think he just thought, I'm Chip Kelly, It's gonna work.

Or Belichick says, didn't I just hire a CEO for football? Can't they just do all that stuff. I'm just a football guy.

Well they can.

It's just was he there today?

He was not at the game. I might be overreacting. I think that's something because you know, if he goes yes, you stand on the sideline, you do the cheeky interview about how excited you are, and then you know, we're maybe playing the audio on the show. They're playing it on Sports Center tonight. It's just a little thing when you're trying to sell your organization, your program. It's not everything. But maybe I'm overreacting. But to me, it's not nothing either.

And it's not just a football program. It's actually part of a university campus and has such a deep attachment to people have been attached to the university, not just a team. It really goes deeper than professional sports. As far as cam Ward and Miami losing in Orlando to Iowa State in the Pop Tarts Bowl today, Tim Reynolds, longtime Associated Press writer, tweeted tonight cam Ward did not opt out at halftime. Miami had to evaluate Emery Williams today as well. That was important on the field, and I bet most fans would have rather taken two quarters of cam Ward over no quarters of cam Ward. Daniel Jeremiah is a great NFL scouting reporter, has been for years, used to work in scouting departments in the NFL. He is the Chargers radio analyst, and he tweeted tonight, I've been working all day, so I didn't know all those specifics of this, but this cam Ward dialogue seems silly. Whether it's one play, one series out, or one half, don't care. I would be shocked if any NFL team moves in one spot in the draft because of today. Replace his name with Christian McCaffrey or any of the hundred plus guys that sat out Bowl games. So over the last five to seven years. Teams do not care. It is a non issue period. So then Softy Maller, the longtime Seattle radio host, He says, we've normalized quitters in college football for just reasons or not. Is there any scenario left where you would criticize a player for quitting on his or her team. Daniel says, if you sat out a playoff game, you'll get criticized. That's totally fair from an NFL standpoint. These other bowl games are glorified spring games. It is what it is. The latest of the glorified spring games ended in Shreveport with Army beating Louisiana Tech twenty seven to six. Louisiana Tech finishes five and eight. How did they get in a bowl game, you asked. It was originally due to be Army against Marshall. They opted out of the bowl game because their head coach went to another job and they had so many people in the transfer portal. They were out of coach, out of quarterbacks, and out of a lot of their roster. So with academic progress right, they picked the team that could do the quick turnaround to Shreveport.

Thank you very much, Steve Saga Fox sports radio or towards Jason Martin will come back some NFL A lot to get to. That's next. Welcome in everybody, Hour three Fox Sports Radio er Torus Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live from the tireck dot com studios. Tirec dot com will help you get there, an unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free, what has the protection and over ten thousand recommended installers tyrereck dot com. The way tire buying should be er towards Jason mart taking it up till two a m. Eastern time. Bernie Freddo of The Bernie Frado Show follows us. I cannot wait to hear what Bernie has to say about a wild day across the world of sports. Of course, not only college football bowl games, not only some college basketball regular season, but three NFL games. Let's go ahead and dive into each of them quickly, Jason, I guess probably the place to start is that middle game, Bengals versus Broncos, Your Denver Broncos. You know this organization as well as anybody Denver. If they win, they clinch a playoff spot. Instead, Bo Nicks throws a touchdown to force the game into overtime with just eight seconds left to tie up the game, miss field goal for the Bengals. You think maybe they're cooked. No, no, no, no no. Joe Burrow gets the ball back deep past to T. Higgins, sets up a short touchdown pass to T. Higgins to win the game. Take away from you, j Mart Is it more about Cincinnati surviving? Is it more about Denver blowing a chance to clinch a playoff spot? What say you?

I mean, it's all of those things. But I think Cincinnati surviving and still being alive considering how badly their season started and how it was easy to leave them for deceased basically, and somehow they've won four in a row and Joe Burrow has firmly placed himself into the MVP conversation. He won't win it because I think it is Josh Allen's award this year. But at the same time, Burrow is making a strong case for himself and he's proving what we've all known about him for a long time, which is he's always gonna give you a chance. The great quarterbacks in this league, even when they come up short, you just always feel like you have a chance because you have that guy. Under center, and he is one of those guys, and in a game where his defense wasn't particularly good, they weren't all that successful on the ground. I was unimpressed with what I was seeing from Zach Taylor on the sidelines. Joe Burrow still goes for almost four hundred yards and he does everything under the sun to make it possible for them to win that game. And he's done that throughout his career. So I think that's probably the first takeaway. I mean, Denver can still get in by winning next week, so it's not the end. It was a great opportunity that they squandered, and you can argue whether or not Sean Payton should have gone for two. He said, we knew we were in with a tie, and since that was you know, that was an option there that made that decision a little bit more difficult. We would have gone for two most likely, basically what he's saying, if we couldn't have gotten in with a tie. I don't love that just because, yeah, but you don't automatically get the tie. You still have to find a way to hold that for ten more minutes at least going into overtime. I kind of just like the momentum of the Awe offense at that point, just giving them a shot against Stanton Rumo's defense winner take all right there, but that's not what they did. So I think the biggest storyline really though, is just Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T Higgins. Those three guys are a three headed monster that win healthy and when they're doing their thing, no one does want to see them in the playoffs because they're going to give them a chance. They're going to score points if they find a way in, even if the defense will be the thing that holds them back.

So I agree with you on all accounts, most specifically, I think the Joe Burrow MVP discourse kind of popped up over the course of the evening. I don't want to dismiss what he has done this season. I threwout this stat earlier. He's the only player in NFL history with eight straight games of hundred and fifty receive two hundred and fifty passing yards and at least three passing touchdowns. But I just and I said, excuse me, I said it earlier as well. I think he's probably over come more. The defense isn't very good obviously, On top of that, it's not only the defense. The coaching I think has been kind of hit or miss, as you've said, as you said earlier, and so you look at everything that he's overcome. I do think that, in my opinion, he's worthy of being in the conversation. I just don't know that he should win it. I would give it to Josh Allen. I'll say this too, and obviously Lamar Jackson is very much in that mix. I would give it to Saquon over Joe Burrow. And it's not a Joe Burrow sucks thing. It's just like I think Saquon has had that big of an impact on the Philadelphia Eagles. Now we'll see. Obviously, the Philadelphia's got a couple of games left. Jalen Hurts a little bit banged up with the concussion, so we'll see. But I agree, big win for Cincinnati to keep the playoff pictures straight Denver next week. If they win, they are in Denver, of course, playing the Kansas City Chiefs, which we assume will be resting most if not all, of their starters for most if not all, of the game. They have clinched the number one seed in the AFC thanks to their Christmas Day win over the Pittsburgh Steelers. So if Denver beats that team, they are in we will see about that. Cincinnati would need a Denver loss. They would need to beat Pittsburgh, and then they would need Miami and Indianapolis, which both still have two games left. They will play this coming They will play on this Sunday and then next Sunday as well. Cincinnati would need both Miami and Indy to lose at least one game. They would need Denver to lose to the Kansas City Chiefs, and they would need to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers next week to make the playoff.

For the discourse, wait for the discourse coming from Cincinnati that's going to try to argue that Kansas City is not going to play their starters because they don't see the angles into playoffs. Watch that discourse come out this week. I'm mark my words, it's not gonna affect Kansas City. They're not just say okay, we'll show you. They're not gonna do that. There's no reason to risk put mahomes in there when you already have the one seed. He's not going for any records. He's not gonna win the MVP this year. There's absolutely nothing to be gained by that whatsoever. But I promise you that will be talked about this week, that it'll be they'd much rather have Denver in there than Cincinnati, which even if true, and it would make sense that it would be based on the offense, it's it's gonna be there to try and egg the Chiefs to try hard, and I don't think it will work.

That'll be a great Tuesday topic on all the shows. You know, once you get past the seed, you need something to talk about middle of the week. Oo, are the Chiefs secretly afraid of Cincinnati and Joe Burrow getting in a yah? I don't think so. By the way, we didn't even touch on it, Jason, but shout out to Joe Burrow, who, at various points throughout the season people have tried to convince us is actually overrated and you know, kind of stinks whatever. He was pretty darn good on Sunday, like he has been all of this season, really quickly. The other two results really quick. First of all, Chargers beat the Patriots forty to seven. Chargers clinch a playoff Berth. We talked earlier in the show if you missed it, you could go back now with the podcast about Gerrod Mayo's future. I think j mart and I both believe that he's gonna get at least one more year. I'll just say this, I don't think to me, if you're gonna hand him the keys, you can't. You can't pull the plug after one year, because it's not like it's not like they were thirteen and four last year and won the division. Like he wasn't left with very much. They drafted Jim Drake may The offense hasn't been pretty. I think some of it falls on his shoulders, but like, this isn't him inheriting an elite team and the wagon, you know, the wheels falling off the wagon. It was a flawed team, which we saw in the final few years the Bill Belichick era. So I think Gerard Mayo is safe really quickly. Any thoughts on that or also the Chargers in year one under Jim Harbaugh clinching a playoff Berth, I'm not surprised. You know, one, Harball coveted this job because he knew there was talent in the cupboard. But then also Hardball wins everywhere he goes and wins immediately, not surprised at all. The Chargers officially clinched a playoff spot on Saturday.

This is all you need to say, and all of what you said is accurate. But you got the same quarterback this year that you have with Brandon Staley, and he has less talent around him. Offensively, they don't have as many receivers, as deep a receiving core as they have had for him in the past. I mean, Lad McConkie obviously had a great rookie campaign. He and Herbert work exceptionally well together. But you just look at it. The little things that went wrong last year, the mistakes, the questionable decisions, the brass like over aggressive alpha moves, and all the weird things that were happening at the end of the game. They're just not happening anymore. And so now Justin Herbert is no longer playing with one hand cuffed behind his back. He's able to just go out there and be Justin Hrbert, and he is one of those guys again that is good enough to win you games. He is good enough to always give you a chance. And so they're making less of the mistakes and they're putting their guys out there in positions to flourish. And that's the difference. That's the difference in a good head coach and a good coordinator. Brandon Staley good coordinator just was not made to be a head coach, at least not at this stage in his career. Maybe you'll get another opportunity sometime down the road and some of the lessons that he learned will prove beneficial to him. But you brought somebody in the room that understands how to win on every level, and he did what he does and to your point, he wins, and he wins quickly, and you get him a quarterback like that, and no one should be surprised that they are in the playoffs before the last week of the season, even with you know, I mean, they just don't have that much skill talent. Imagine as they continue to build, if they really do commit on that, they could be incredibly dangerous going forward.

Yeah, it's crazy because, like I said, you know, he took the job because of the talent on his roster. But one, obviously they lost some guys in the offseason, some other guys are getting older. But I think more importantly it is kind of funny you watch them play. They play like you know, his early Michigan teams or something. I don't know what would be the exact analogy, where they kind of play to win every game thirteen to ten and it's worked for him. Obviously, Saturday was the exception, as they absolutely obliterate the New England Patriots. Los Angeles Chargers have clinched a playoff spot. Speaking of Los Angeles, let's go to Sofi Stadium the Rams. They take care of the Arizona Cardinals. It wasn't pretty, but with under a minute to goo and interception as Arizona was driving and in the red zone. An interception seals the victory for the Los Angeles Rams. They have not technically clinched the NFC West based on some scheduling stuff, they could actually clinch on Saturday. On Sunday, excuse me, even though they obviously are not playing and Seattle, who is right behind them in the division, is not playing as well. Seattle and the Los Angeles Rams will play next week. A win obviously would clinch it, but even with a loss, there is no guarantee that they would not make the playoffs again. It would come down to schedule strength, record strength, things of that nature. But the Los Angeles Rams get the win. J Mart wasn't pretty. Disager brought it up. It was just a few weeks ago that the Chargers put up or the Rams, excuse me, put up forty plus points against the Bills. Offense has struggled. Since it does not matter as as they get the victory here.

I mean they're nine and two since to buy. I mean that tells you all of what you need to know. In their last eleven games, they've been just good enough in some games, they've been spectacular in others. I mean, they escape the Jets. They escaped the Niners. You talked about that Bills performance and everything happened there. The defense has take an advantage of offenses that are either struggling or not good, and that helps you. Certainly, Cardinals are struggling, Niners are beaten down, and the Jets are the Jets. So but at the same time, they've grown in confidence and they're doing what they have to do. And of the teams that are in that division, I think we had a different argument about this a few weeks ago, but the Rams are the team that would be most interesting to watch in the playoffs there ones that. Yeah, I mean I just think that I was. I was pretty high on Arizona for a while, but you take Connor out of that mix. Kyler is kind of just sort of He's kept his head above water, but just barely. And Marvin Harrison Junior, he still hasn't really fully he just hasn't really fully blossomed on the NFL level. I still think that that's likely to come, but I think it's been a little bit of a slower growth period for him than some expected for his rookie campaign. So of all the teams that are in the in that division, just something about Seattle kind of bores me. No offense to our friend out there that's a gigantick s Yawks fan, but the Cardinals are just kind of fading away.

I mean, to worry about that, you don't have to offend anybody. They just won on Thursday night six to three.

So that game was that that game you talked about did we have too much football? Yes? Because that game happened as a standalone Yep. Yeah, like that that was a thing that people watched, like for for sixty minutes, people watched a six to three ball game that was worse than the score would indicate, just absolutely atrocious. But yeah, the Rams are the one team in that division because the offensive because of Sean McVay that I think would make for an interesting matchup for somebody in the postseason.

Well, I'll tell you what. Let's come back and let's discuss some of the things that happened, including Thursday night. Caleb Williams, what does this mean for his future? By the way, I think we got to talk a little bit about Lamar Jackson as well. They the Baltimore Ravens won on Christmas Day. Yet apparently there are still haters out there that you and I might not be aware of. So we'll come back. We will continue the conversation on week seventeen in the NFL. That's all next. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio Ra Torres Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studio. Shout out to Mary. I refuse to let the Christmas spirit die because guess what, it's still December. Most people leave their trees up till freaking February. We want me to just do this whole hour Christmas music? Yeah, I mean, you don't even have to turn it off. Just leave it on the entire time. We'll talk right over it. No, I'm kidding, you could turn it off. But I love the Christmas music, So thank you Mary, I appreciate that. By the way, did everybody have a good Christmas?

J Martin?

I know you there's some family stuff going on, but did you and your daughters have a good Christmas?

Yeah? Me and my wife and my daughters had aid and had a really good Christmas. You know, she's three, my oldest, and so she really, you know, we got to do you know, she got to experience and understand Santa like it's not just like she actually was anticipating it. And she needed to go to bed because he almost missed the house because she was being a little bit late trying to get to sleep, but she got there. She had asked for one thing, specifically a purple hippopotamus, and the elves came through and so she was super excited about that and a lot of other things that happened as well. And my youngest, who is you know, eight months, she had a blast just being positioned for various photos by my wife who just draped her in Christmas lights and started taking shots and then had those made into Christmas ornaments that we'll be getting back in a handful of days that we can give to family and things like that. So it was a great day obviously celebrating the Lord's birth and then just just being there with This is the first year where Claria Grace really kind of gets it a little bit more than she has before. So it's gonna get a lot more fun from here. But this was the first one where she recognized it this Christmas and it's the first time I have ever decorated outside the house.

Oh how that got had.

Lights and the bushes had multicolored lights on our giant holly tree had a light up fox and a light up brought to Saurus in the front front yard as well. I'm not calling myself Clark Griswold just yet, but I can see how you can get overboard because I got these things and it was just like this is enough. And then it was just you know what, you could just add a couple more strands every year and then you know, ten fifteen years down the road you went in competitions. But yeah, it was fun. I actually enjoyed it, and it you know, they're on at the house right now. We're keeping them up until after New Year's fantastic.

Really quick, Mary, you have a good holiday. I was here. I was here too. That didn't work with you, though, did.

I I was here?

No, I think you came in after me because I was here from five. Oh yeah, I saw you in the morning, so of course it was a great holiday. You saw me. What are you talking about? Oh yeah, I spent no I think he called me that day though.

Wow, not a great day.

Yeah, and then I came home and I slept the entire rest of the day, so it was pretty sure.

Yeah, it was pretty due. Pat, Can you do anything special?

Yeah, I mean I was here in the morning. I actually did see you, and then after that I went home. We opened presents at home with the family. My best friend came over, just had the puppy and just it was a good day overall. It was a good day of work at home.

Fantastic. We'll get to the sega in just a minute. J Mart, you brought this up to me. I am. I think it's a great topic. Okay, So we were talking about the NFL MVP. Last segment, Joe Burrow has his moment. I think it'll go to Josh Allen. Saquon Barkley has certainly had his moments, and Lamar Jackson, of course, is very much in the mix for a third NFL MVP. The reason I bring it up is because it feels like like the Lamar Jackson there's no other way to put it, the Lamar Jackson discourse. And I know I'm using that word a lot, but just feels like there's a lot of conversations that are all over the place right now. And I'm a little confused by the Lamar Jackson conversation because I saw I haven't read full quotes, but Cam Newton on First Take the other day said that Lamar Jackson is underappreciated. I have heard dozens upon dozens of people in our industry still say, well, you know, Lamar with the haters, and you know, I don't know what else Lamar has to prove. At this point, I feel like Lamar Jackson, I'll be honest, Like, maybe I'm wrong here, I feel like Lamar Jackson is actually like pretty much the most fairly covered athlete we have in sports. Like I'm just gonna say it. I feel like pretty much everybody acknowledges that he is a one of one generational talent the likes of which we have never seen. I don't believe there are I don't believe there's anybody with a functional brain. And I don't believe there's anybody in our business that doesn't believe that he's one of the two or three most gifted players in the league, alongside Patrick Mahomes, alongside Josh Allen. And maybe that's it in terms of natural football ability. I do think it's also a fair criticism of until you topple pretty much Mahomes, until you topple Casey, until you get to that Super Bowl, like we can't you know, there are certain things that we have to say about you, the same that we do with Josh Allen and any great quarterback that hasn't made it to that ultimate stage. And so I find it interesting that we're still trying to have this conversation with Lamar Jackson. I don't feel like there are people that are still like, oh, you know, Lamar not getting enough for I think he's getting a perfect amount of respect. And when he gets to a super Bowl, and he's going to because he's an amazing quarterback, we'll give him even more respect. So I'm rambling, but I just I find the whole discourse just interesting to say the least.

Yeah. See, the reason I brought it up is because it irked me because it's just like Cam and all those that are echoing his sentiment about him being underappreciated. At what point or how much praise do we have to shower on Lamar Jackson before it's enough that we don't have to hear this anymore? Like dudes won multiple MVPs. As you mentioned, we acknowledge everything unbelievable about him. I would go further than you and say he's one of the most dynamic players in the history of the NFL. He's the most He's as must see as anybody in all of sports. There is almost nothing to really criticize. Now. If somebody wants to say he's not as accurate as Drew Brees, yes he's not, so what a whole lot of other guys aren't either. It doesn't really matter. That's not that's not a critique that should be like, oh, well, now you're not appreciating him enough. No, he can throw the ball pretty well and that's fine. Like he as a matter of fact, a lot of times he throws it better than pretty well. But how much do we have to give him when he's winning multiple awards. The only thing that anybody is saying is I need to see it in January. I need to see you take the regular season and apply it in the postseason and get to a super Bowl. And yes, just like Josh Allen, exactly the same thing. But you never hear Josh Allen's underappreciated. I've never heard that, Not one time have I ever heard that. The reason, here's the thing, the reason why Josh Allen's gonna be the MVP this year is because every other candidate that we can name got more talent around them or got put in a better situation than they were last year, except him, because he lost his number one target at wide receiver. It seemed like the Sean McDermott thing was kind of on his last legs. You got Ty Dunn writing that XPOS during the offseason. This was a year where a lot of people looked at Buffalo and thought they were going to take a step back. But then you look at Lamar. Lamar got Derrick Henry this year. Sakwan Barkley got the Eagles instead of the Giants this year. The reason why Burrow might be second on the ballot is because he didn't get much better, but his defense got worse. He didn't get much better in terms of his situation. He actually his situation wasn't as good. So I just look at the Lamar thing, and it's just, cam, what do we have to say about him that you don't call that you don't think he's underappreciated. I agree with you. I think he is appreciated exactly as he should be. He's an incredible player. He's an MVP, not just caliber. He is a two time MVP and a walking Hall of Famer. There is nothing that we are going to really say to dog out Lamar Jackson other than go win a super Bowl, which we're gonna say about Burrow, who has made one at least Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, all these dudes. I mean, Peyton Manning had the same exact critique leveled against him before he finally got to a super Bowl and beat Rex Grossman in a rain storm. So I just get frustrated that we continue to hear this. It's just is this just because of how people talked about Lamar Jackson when he first came in the league. Because I don't know anybody that says almost anything not laudatory towards Lamar Jackson in twenty twenty four. I don't I don't know those shows. I don't know who it is it's burying Lamar Jackson on a week to be week to week basis. If those people exist. If I were you, I probably wouldn't listen to him because I don't think their opinion has much validity, and it's certainly in the vast, vast, vast minority of sports totally agree.

Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens, of course, last played on Christmas Day. Come back, j mart I got one other take out of the last couple of days. I want to I want to throw your way. I will do that next. Before we do, though, let's toss it over the new desk final time this evening for our show to saga what is trending.

We've talked about how little the Rams have been scoring most of the last month since that Buffalo game, but they keep winning. In fact, Associated Press says tonight the Rams are the first team in over a decade to win three straight games in the same season while scoring less than twenty points in every game. Since Tim Tebow's Broncos in twenty eleven, the Rams have won five straight. They're up to ten and six thirteen to nine Tonight's final over Arizona, as the Cardinals had an extra point kick blocked and also through interceptions on the last two drives. Pukinakua ten receptions one hundred and twenty nine yards. The Cardinals on red zone tds just one for four. They had already been eliminated. Now seven and nine. Cincinnati in overtime beat Denver thirty to twenty four. T Higgins three touchdown receptions, including the game winner. Joe Burrow was sacked seven times but threw for over four hundred yards. Bengals have won four straight. They're still mathematically alive. Denver failed to clinch today. The Broncos had tied this game on a touchdown pass with eight seconds left in regulation. Cincinnati winst The Chargers did clinch a playoff berth winning at New England forty to seven. Pats have lost six straight. They're three to thirteen. Drake May one touchdown, one fumble, sacked four times, Justin Herbert three touchdown passes, two to lad Miconkie, who had eight more catches today ninety four yards, and running back JK. Dobbins, after a spring knee, had nineteen carries seventy six yards and a touchdown. Dolphins quarterback to A Tonga by Law with a hip injury, is doubtful for tomorrow at Cleveland, so Tyler Huntley could start. Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson is out Sunday with back and foot injuries. Joe Flacco will start. Hall of Fame finalists include Eli Manning. Of the fifteen announced today on the list, nine were also finalists a year ago. To college football. Among the many bowl games, Iowa State beat Miami in Orlando forty two to forty one. BYU dominated Colorado at the Alamo Bowl thirty six to fourteen. Number twenty two ranked Army took the late game twenty seven to six over Louisiana Tech at the Inn in Dependence Bowl victories for East Carolina and Miami, Ohio wins for Nebraska, TCU and Yukon. Washington State's new coach is from South Dakota State, Jimmy Rodgers injured Georgia quarterback Carson Beck declared for the NFL Draft. Among the nine NBA games, Jalen Brunstt and the next scored fifty five points with nine assists. The next one their seventh straight in overtime win at Washington, won thirty six one thirty two. At Chicago. Josh Giddey a triple double in a win over Milwaukee. Victories for Atlanta and Oklahoma City, which is now twenty five, and five wins for Denver and Golden State. Philadelphia edged Utah one fourteen one eleven. Joel mb did play, had thirty two points. Portland held off Dallas won twenty six one twenty two. Kyrie Irving forty six points.

In the loss.

The Lakers took the late game over Sacramento, debut for King's interim coach Doug Christie, one thirty two to one twenty two. Kings have now lost six in a row. Lebron James was out for LA due to illness. Tonight. Austin Reeves had sixteen assist Anthony Davis did play. He had thirty six points, fifteen rebounds, eight assist. John Moran to the Grizzlies will miss Sunday's game with a shoulder injury.

Back to you, thank you very much, to Sager to say you have a great evening. We will hear you tomorrow with with the guys, Mark Willard already span your Chris Plank, etcetera, etcetera. From Slam Fox Sports Radio towards Jay Smart broadcasting live from the tyrack dot com studios. Really quick, Jmart. One other topic I do want to get to. So they are a Raider Sat Raiders Saints.

Games actually happening today.

Wow, that's painful, a horrible match. Well, you know what. I was gonna save this for the final segment, but since you bring up the Saints, I have a confession to make and it's gonna make me sound like a really bad Fox Sports radio host. I did not watch a second of Saints Packers on Monday night. Uh, filled in for Covenie either, Yeah, I was gonna say, filled in for Covino and Rich with VJ. Husky. We had a great time. And listen, this was what December twenty third, Festivus Christmas Eve Eve, and we're coming off. This was at last Saturday for college football playoff games, a full slate of NFL Sunday. Knowing we have games on Christmas Day. We also got Thursday Night football, which we might not have a chance to get to. We'll have to save those fireworks for another show. This was the first time in my life I felt like there was too much NFL football. And I'll say this, you and I and I'm not being sarcastic. We were literally the first person for the first sports media outlet that kind of realized, oh, the NFL is like in the process of stealing Christmas Day from the NBA. We talked about it three years ago in twenty twenty one before anybody else was. But I bring it up because this year was the one time since this whole Christmas Day thing started that Christmas Day did not fall on a traditional day where we would have normal NFL football. Wasn't a Monday, it wasn't a Sunday, it wasn't a Saturday, et cetera. I just felt like it was too much football. And we're in this business. We love it, We're blessed to do what we do. We're not complaining that we get paid to talk about sports for a living, but it's like, at a certain point, we do have to spend time with our family around the holidays and you bring up the Saints, and I just bring it up because we had last week Saturday, NFL Football, Sunday NFL Football, Monday, NFL Football, Wednesday, NFL Football, Thursday, NFL football, three games on Saturday of this week, and of course a bunch on Sunday, one game on Monday, which is a big one lines forty nine ers. First time in my life, I was like, Roger Candell, I love you, but you need to take a day off here and there.

Yeah, like them having Christmas Day games is fine. It's the other ones where it just there were a few times where I didn't realize a game was being played that day, and I've never really experienced that where NFL games were about to happen, and I would like just check a ticker to say, all right, what's happening today? What there's an NFL game? Like again, and and then like, if you're gonna have Christmas Day games, maybe we don't need the Thursday night game that week.

Fair enough? Yep?

You know, like we're gonna play two games on Wednesday and we're gonna get lucky as well. The four teams involved are all you know, playing proceeding or playing to make the playoffs, all that good stuff. We probably don't need the Thursday night matchup that week, just to add that to Sunday, and you know, go ahead and cash that one in. And then the years where Christmas falls on a Thursday, that's fine. I just I actually forgot about that Thursday night game until it was like into the third quarter, because I just figured, Okay, well, we're playing these other days. There's probably not gonna be a Thursday night game. No, No, indeed there still was. I think that's probably it. Like when you already have the other day giving you action, I don't know that you need it. Now. I get it. Nobody's gonna turn down having an NFL broadcast because you're gonna have ratings and you're gonna have I had revenue and all of those things. But it definitely did feel like it's enough with the NFL. Give me a couple of days here, let me miss you for a minute. And because somehow this is what's batwing to me all the games that we've seen. Somehow there's still six games in the opening windows today, Like there's still six matchups, and well, I mean, if you want to call them matchups, some of them are not particularly inviting, but you have six, and then you still have two in the afternoon, and then you have Falcons commanders at night, so you still managed to have nine games. It feels like we've already seen twenty games this week.

Well, and I was going to say too, you know, obviously we work for Fox Sports Radio. I have no privy or say to you know, meetings that our bosses or Fox Sports's bosses have with the NFL. But if you're a partner, and I know some of the games were played on Saturday, but think about the teams that have already played this week and will not play on Sunday. Kansas City, Baltimore, huge draws, Pittsburgh, national draw, Chicago with the number one overall pick both LA team, Cincinnati with of course Joe Burrow.

Houston technically with CJS Houston.

With CJ Stroud. New England is still a national brand even though they stink. And it's like those are all the teams that have already played and are not playing Sunday and Monday. Now credit to the league because they somehow still got some intriguing games between you know, Minnesota and Green Bay. I don't think anybody expected it to be quite the stakes that we have. Obviously, Washington Atlanta, that's now two rookie quarterbacks. That's all of a sudden intriguing. That's why it was flexed into the late window. And of course the the the NFC Championship rematch Detroit and San Francisco, so we can wrap on the topic. But it is crazy, like the number of marquee teams that have already played. I think the NFL caught a little break because some of these matchups still look pretty good on paper going into Sundays.

Yeah, that's right now. I mean you still have some dogs, but you usually do. I mean, Titans Jags is a horrible game this year. I think one thing you got unlucky on is Jets Bills. I think you thought was gonna be bigger yep, and it turns out it's nothing at all. Cowboys Eagles you probably thought might have been bigger as well, even though the Cowboys are on a bit of a hot streak as of late. Packers Vikings, like you mentioned, you get lucky there. Falcons Commanders becomes an interesting matchup lines forty nine ers. I think you kind of got unlucky there. Because you've got a six and nine nine ers team that's going nowhere, and you've got Dan Campbell answering questions as to what this game means in terms like if seeding doesn't matter, are we gonna try and things like that, like that's not necessarily what you want if you're the NFL from Lions forty nine ers, But you know that's why they play the games. And super Bowl hangovers are reel.

Super Bowl hangovers are real. That is the Monday night game. Still some intriguing games in the NFL on Sunday. Well, come back, we'll actually look at some of those games on Sunday. That's next. Ertoris Jason Martin taking you till two am Eastern, Fox Sports Treo. Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Aertorris Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com Studios. We're taking you up till two a m Eastern. Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Fratto Show will follow us, and you know, Bernie's got a lot to say on a lot of different things. Of course, Bernie will get you caught up on three NFL games from Saturday Preview Week seventeen on Sunday the remaining games that have not been played yet. I'm sure I'll have some stuff on the college football Playoff, etc. Should mention, by the way, since I have not mentioned it. Shortly after the show, our podcast will be going up. If you missed any of today's show. Just search Fox Sports Radios podcast feed. Just go wherever you get your podcasts. Search Fox Sports Radio and also be sure to follow rate interview the podcast as well. Again, just search Fox Sports Radio wherever each podcast and you'll see this show posted right after we get off air. One other scheduling note if you love college football, or even if you don't, if you are in front of your TV, or if you're listening, or if you're in the car, if you're working on Christmas Day, Jason Martin and I will be on from ten PM till two am technically into January second, and we will be recapping the four college football playoff games. We're filling in for Jason Smith and Mike Harmon. Cannot wait for that shift.

Jmart all right, we got some of my closer games. I will say that.

I think we'll get at least two because one thing I'll say, you know, and we came on right after the four games last Saturday. I think we did a good job of hitting on it. But I think the biggest point that got lost in the shuffle with the four blowouts. It's really hard to win on the road in college football, by the way, especially when you have elite teams playing inferior teams like this isn't the seventh place team from the SEC hosting the fifth place team, like these were teams that were good enough all year to earn the first you know, they're one of the top eight teams in the country to earn a spot and the home playoff game. It's like, yeah, I guess what. A lot of times inferior teams go on the road in college football and lose two superior teams, And so I bring that up because I think that's a big reason why we got four blowouts. And I do think real quick, Jason Martin, I do think we'll get at least some better games, maybe not all four, but I think we'll get some better games on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Yeah, I think you're probably right, and I definitely I mean, we did mention that last week, but home field's a big deal when those crowds were insane. I think the game that was the closest is the one that had the crowd that I didn't think was quite as insane as the other three. I think that was the one in Texas. I think the ones up north were all nuts, and it was almost impossible for those road teams to get their bearings, get their foundations, and probably their anxiety and their blood pressure was through the roof.

Tell you what, let's Mary give us some music, put us in the mood, and we will go through both the college and NFL really quick. Since we're talking college, let's just go through really quick. Boise State Penn State is the opener on Tuesday night, and we'll just be quick. But Texas and Arizona State is the opening game on Wednesday, New Year's Day. Do you expect either of those to be an upset or do you think Penn State in Texas advance.

I think Penn State and Texas advance. I don't. It'd be interesting. I want to see what Arizona State does. I think Penn State's going to have a pretty good plan for Boise That's a game they really should win, and I expect them to win it and I actually think they have a chance to win that win fairly boring, like actually semi blowout Central. I think that Texas Arizona State is probably going to be close, just because I don't think Texas's offense is going to put up fifty.

Yeah, I think both those games maybe a little bit close. But Penn State and Texas win Rose Bowl Oregon in Ohio State, Man, that.

Is such a tough call. I think I had Ohio State and Texas as my final before the season, with Texas beating Ohio State. So actually, I'm gonna take the buck Eyes to win that game.

Very good nightcap will be coming on ten to two pm ten to two am Eastern Wednesday night. Notre Dame or Georgia.

Your guest is as good as mine. I just don't know what the quarterback is gonna be able to do. I know what Georgia, and I know what Kirby smarts. Kirby some want to have his guys ready to play. They're gonna come in there with a bit of an edge. You would think Notre Dame's gonna come in thinking they can win that game. I'm still gonna take Georgia. I just I have to believe in the team that I've seen do it before, even with a quarterback that's unproven.

I'll do something a little bit different. I'll say I'll take Notre Dame to win that one. I'll take Oregon in the Rose Ball. I'll take Texas and Penn State wan to Love Talk NFL, Jmar, but we gotta go. Want to thank the crew, Mary Mack on the board, producer Pat In for Ian Steve Disaga, for my partner Jason Martin. I'm aren Taurus again, j Martin. I will be on at ten pm Eastern Wednesday, recapping all four or college football semi final or quarterfinals. I should say, coming up next Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Fratto Show. Bernie's got so much to discuss with you bunch of NFL, bunch of college football. That's next. Fox Sports Radio