We have Dr. Mathew Mathews, Principal Research Fellow and Head of the Social Lab at the Institute of Policy Studies at NUS and Shamil Zainuddin, Research Associate at the Institute of Policy Studies at NUS. And we're following up on a recent commentary they wrote that was published in Channel NewsAsia, about the worries over rising COVID-19 cases, that they're fuelling racially charged comments, and we wanted to follow up and talk a little bit more about that.