The announcement of the AUKUS security pact between Australia, the UK and the USA is now a few weeks old and it represents an enormous departure in the direction of Australia's foreign and defence policy. Will AUKUS ensure Australia's long term security, or is it little more than a stunt?

In this episode, former Ambassador to China, Dr Geoff Raby, and International & Security Affairs program director at the Australia Institute, Allan Behm, discuss some of the fallout and implications of AUKUS and it's implications for Australia's poor relationship with China.

The Australia Institute // @theausinstitute

Host: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director at the Australia Institute // @ebony_bennett

Dr Geoff Raby,former Australian Ambassaor to China (2007 to 2011)

Allan Behm, director International & Security Affairs program, Australia Institute // @mirandaprorsus

Producer: Jennifer Macey // @jennifermacey

Theme Music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions