Autism and PANS/PANDAS share enough symptoms that separating them can be nearly impossible. In this episode, meet Madi, a 15-year-old freshman and horseback rider who can tell you exactly what her favorite horse will do for a handful of feed. She also experiences both autism and PANDAS. It wasn't until after IVIG that she could start to tell which symptoms belonged to which diagnosis.

Flying Through Fog hosts Krystal Vivian, Lindsey Forsyth and Angela Henry talk with Madi and her mom, Mindy, about what a flare feels like from the inside, how OCD had her convinced she was a bad person (though she's lovely), and what symptoms stayed behind after PANDAS treatment. Madi is honest about the intrusive thoughts she experienced and how nobody told her that the struggle simply wouldn't end after IVIG. Mindy talks about watching for the same patterns in her other children and how hormones, not just infection, can set off a flare. 

This important episode includes discussion of self-injury and intrusive thoughts of harm. 

RESOURCES:
Surviving The Flares: An Emotional Toolkit For PANS/PANDAS Caregivers — Available wherever you listen to podcasts

Claimable https://www.getclaimable.com/ 

PANDAS Michiana https://pandasmichiana.com/ 

PANDAS Physician Network https://www.pandasppn.org/ 

PANDAS Network https://pandasnetwork.org/understanding-pandas/ 

Angela Henry, LCSW https://angelahenrylcsw.com/services/pandas-pans-ae 

National PANDAS/PANS Youth Alliance https://www.nationalpandasyouthalliance.org/home 

PANDAS PARENTS Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/461708653853619

ASPIRE PANS PANDAS Advocacy, Community & Support Aspire

Neuroimmune Foundation Neuroimmune Foundation | Inflammatory Brain Conditions

Mind Global Council https://www.mindglobalcouncil.com/

OCD Family Podcast https://www.ocdfamilypodcast.com/

Hornets and Hippos Workbook: https://margaretjessoppsyd.com/hornets-and-hippos/ 

Parenting Resources:

Dr. Ross Greene https://drrossgreene.com/ 

Dr. Becky Kennedy https://www.goodinside.com/about/ 

Dr. Dan Siegel https://drdansiegel.com/ 

Brene Brown (professor and researcher of shame, vulnerability, courage and empathy) https://brenebrown.com/ 

Autism and PANS/PANDAS share enough symptoms that separating them can be nearly impossible. In this episode, meet Madi, a 15-year-old freshman and horseback rider who can tell you exactly what her favorite horse will do for a handful of feed. She also experiences both autism and PANDAS. It wasn't until after IVIG that she could start to tell which symptoms belonged to which diagnosis.
Flying Through Fog hosts Krystal Vivian, Lindsey Forsyth and Angela Henry talk with Madi and her mom, Mindy, about what a flare feels like from the inside, how OCD had her convinced she was a bad person (though she's lovely), and what symptoms stayed behind after PANDAS treatment. Madi is honest about the intrusive thoughts she experienced and how nobody told her that the struggle simply wouldn't end after IVIG. Mindy talks about watching for the same patterns in her other children and how hormones, not just infection, can set off a flare.&nbsp;
This important episode includes discussion of self-injury and intrusive thoughts of harm.&nbsp;
RESOURCES: Surviving The Flares: An Emotional Toolkit For PANS/PANDAS Caregivers &mdash; Available wherever you listen to podcasts
Claimable <a href="https://www.getclaimable.com/">https://www.getclaimable.com/</a>&nbsp;
PANDAS Michiana<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fpandasmichiana.com%2f&amp;c=E,1,zc3GDyjXr-vdPgMBUXX2l3bdpimTgHntDDmCNrElzZT3IuwKstPR9MD061FpO7C5MB92Kitz0Ofp4B-Cu3PaVlZxcV_i0pEKQ1hi2692cCj3RGLp7S0,&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://pandasmichiana.com/</a>&nbsp;
PANDAS Physician Network<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.pandasppn.org%2f&amp;c=E,1,nsheMF-ZLyNfeCaEVqJ8w1EbmKvUKdzaJBlkcCATXXhn1RR7VzLqiB-1AW54IN3R5ThQAxNKsJZzeoPvyrNKbz5MuyVmH1kxh5lv-wA5yS3_8A,,&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://www.pandasppn.org/</a>&nbsp;
PANDAS Network<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fpandasnetwork.org%2funderstanding-pandas%2f&amp;c=E,1,oSRcOxHIeOczxNnwyEwwPsz1pezNuxPJqpUPiFBd54voMEq9LMXjCgdcVJIisUWjPQPqWNJfKhGWi2XHGL4ZmZyGB4f22A41FGq9pAE2NWnc&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://pandasnetwork.org/understanding-pandas/</a>&nbsp;
Angela Henry, LCSW <a href="https://angelahenrylcsw.com/services/pandas-pans-ae">https://angelahenrylcsw.com/services/pandas-pans-ae</a>&nbsp;
National PANDAS/PANS Youth Alliance <a href="https://www.nationalpandasyouthalliance.org/home">https://www.nationalpandasyouthalliance.org/home</a>&nbsp;
PANDAS PARENTS Facebook Group <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/461708653853619">https://www.facebook.com/groups/461708653853619</a>
ASPIRE <a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2faspire.care%2f&amp;c=E,1,JctdDsly7jEemiEI4eHkwsS38NEDK_5AfMf9GLGRiJ4uUR61hWffsF133U_aI-eJROFh3PEQhDSpTUaL4kCf_kjyRbGhp3uCH5Je7UVH0Y77LHlzqG71WO_EUpo,&amp;typo=1">PANS PANDAS Advocacy, Community &amp; Support Aspire</a>
Neuroimmune Foundation <a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fneuroimmune.org%2f&amp;c=E,1,mNTMw8l4LkpxnJz4O_rajIeYPOY7MvW-P8XHdGqh8BKsYCFg9ZuQs6ehjylbvsG7h5c1XjPTljXbM2Xb3Zf_s9YX1VweL-Hoyp4Z203FHhNSBdHmaSaAt2WQbNw,&amp;typo=1">Neuroimmune Foundation | Inflammatory Brain Conditions</a>
Mind Global Council&nbsp;<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mindglobalcouncil.com%2f&amp;c=E,1,Lwk8_anxtG66heZOxzQuYZDgH3QjAQJsuvX86jNrlDTgefVaTKyFYw_9Gm0x06eEosqgKIc5VSijRQMFjEpfaBvhptfInfPHUa7EIKCeIZDDv2w1fFsxauI,&amp;typo=1">https://www.mindglobalcouncil.com/</a>
OCD Family Podcast<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.ocdfamilypodcast.com%2f&amp;c=E,1,2ELpdJUDsiHm8ErbupVYFsCgz6pPqFKhiL1zxvlZR1lfxntav0ChXXeR_odXnbZQFs0d9jpyHfffvBKdDHyufmYPdk8pIHtIvNJ_pangcGQ,&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://www.ocdfamilypodcast.com/</a>
Hornets and Hippos Workbook:<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fmargaretjessoppsyd.com%2fhornets-and-hippos%2f&amp;c=E,1,50iUUS-2-wkhfhPAAoe2AmQ4d7_sMTFwbLl3JS5_YQNrj-bISePqPD6KHjF-qwVRrE_6zelRR5N5u1MT_7p11UfoIrSGieTNNJFN0QE1XI7l0wrn&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://margaretjessoppsyd.com/hornets-and-hippos/</a>&nbsp;
Parenting Resources:
Dr. Ross Greene<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fdrrossgreene.com%2f&amp;c=E,1,tMtE3h8P3utEznCHXLypiTXMBbuMlUihQWP357ew54WG8qfPM3dw1ktJP7IgHdYoSOh6cWKN1xjIDD0Loau8MQlcJb3QFbH0OOn4-2G-i1mp9igM7W-HPQ,,&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://drrossgreene.com/</a>&nbsp;
Dr. Becky Kennedy<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.goodinside.com%2fabout%2f&amp;c=E,1,HE69LaTrRrJcaUoxf1rLbJLdKMXKS7bK5DFql5vk5yhoD0ILzjRPrmqDq9gO5YeM8iwKc8AAhPDagMzCikkZtTzYAvh0g9n-NYWPKFCY&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://www.goodinside.com/about/</a>&nbsp;
Dr. Dan Siegel<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fdrdansiegel.com%2f&amp;c=E,1,M3Mk7Pn6Z8p4tl3lIC2CjWbSp-gC4O_eSsCKFj-qbonbl8QhfjSX7vmChYjULwrDzuMC731yEYz0s1lHquDvFki_LVkKdwQRwxc8rLrneiJZK4C1hY560Q,,&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://drdansiegel.com/</a>&nbsp;
Brene Brown (professor and researcher of shame, vulnerability, courage and empathy)<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbrenebrown.com%2f&amp;c=E,1,eEJAbm1TjnlhFLej380GzNo66QTcMZ0cv5rrri3j_0aN1QxoXMSzGdYG4k-rZPfHo7DJF1xykEnAW-JOTxEV5gIlh50P1B47lvMEC_MM&amp;typo=1">&nbsp;https://brenebrown.com/</a>&nbsp;

When infections trigger autoimmune responses that attack a child's brain, families face an invisible storm—and often struggle to find doctors who understand how to help. Flying Through Fog brings clarity to PANS/PANDAS through real family stories, expert medical insights, and practical guidance.

Each episode features conversations with parents sharing their diagnostic journeys, medical professionals who specialize in these neuroimmune conditions, and advocates fighting for insurance coverage and better treatment access. Whether you're seeking answers for sudden behavioral changes in your child, looking for treatment options, or navigating school accommodations, this podcast offers hope, community, and education.

Your hosts:
Krystal Vivian – News/Talk 95.3 Michiana's News Channel
Lindsey Forsyth – mom of two kids with PANS/PANDAS
Angela Henry – LCSW, founder of Center for Collaborative Healing

Because when you're flying through fog, you don't have to fly alone.

Are you in the middle of the fog? Check out our sister podcast, Surviving The Flares, available now on your favorite podcast app.

Flying Through Fog is produced by Tommie Lee and published by News/Talk 95.3 Michiana's News Channel, a member of the Podcasts by Federated Media network.

When infections trigger autoimmune responses that attack a child's brain, families face an invisible storm&mdash;and often struggle to find doctors who understand how to help. Flying Through Fog brings clarity to PANS/PANDAS through real family stories, expert medical insights, and practical guidance.
Each episode features conversations with parents sharing their diagnostic journeys, medical professionals who specialize in these neuroimmune conditions, and advocates fighting for insurance coverage and better treatment access. Whether you're seeking answers for sudden behavioral changes in your child, looking for treatment options, or navigating school accommodations, this podcast offers hope, community, and education.
Your hosts:
<ul>
<li>Krystal Vivian &ndash; News/Talk 95.3 Michiana's News Channel</li>
<li>Lindsey Forsyth &ndash; mom of two kids with PANS/PANDAS</li>
<li>Angela Henry &ndash; LCSW, founder of Center for Collaborative Healing</li>
</ul>
Because when you're flying through fog, you don't have to fly alone.
Are you in the middle of the fog? Check out our sister podcast, Surviving The Flares, available now on your favorite podcast app.
Flying Through Fog is produced by Tommie Lee and published by News/Talk 95.3 Michiana's News Channel, a member of the Podcasts by Federated Media network.