Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello Gangles. Today on the pod we have the incredible Errandeering Now. Erin was the co founder of Triangle. She has also written a book called Hanging by a Thread. This episode talks about all the success that she.

Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello Gangles. Today on the pod we have the incredible Errandeering Now. Erin was the co founder of Triangle. She has also written a book called Hanging by a Thread. This episode talks about all the success that she.

Built at a really really young.

Built at a really really young.

Age, but she really opens up about huge amounts of success don't equal happiness. Trigger warning as well. Here Baron talks about eating disorders. But there is so much stuff in here that if you have a career dream or any kind of dream, that I think you'll get something from this chat. Of course, we had to talk about the Kendall Jenner effect as well, so I hope that you love this chat. Aaron, You're a legend for jumping on the pod to you the listener. Erin's book is officially available all over Australia.

Age, but she really opens up about huge amounts of success don't equal happiness. Trigger warning as well. Here Baron talks about eating disorders. But there is so much stuff in here that if you have a career dream or any kind of dream, that I think you'll get something from this chat. Of course, we had to talk about the Kendall Jenner effect as well, so I hope that you love this chat. Aaron, You're a legend for jumping on the pod to you the listener. Erin's book is officially available all over Australia.

Hanging by a Thread. Thanks Saren erin Daring. Welcome to the pod mate. I have Demolish I'm holding. That's amazing. I've never seen more notes in a book in.

Hanging by a Thread. Thanks Saren erin Daring. Welcome to the pod mate. I have Demolish I'm holding. That's amazing. I've never seen more notes in a book in.

Highlight, I reckon I had, I got this taking me about two days.

Highlight, I reckon I had, I got this taking me about two days.

I've just like Inhales, Well, it is meant to be an easy read, which is nice.

I've just like Inhales, Well, it is meant to be an easy read, which is nice.

It's like I wanted to write like a summer beach read and like it kind of is that like a bit of a you just like page Turner, but not in a just in an easy way.

It's like I wanted to write like a summer beach read and like it kind of is that like a bit of a you just like page Turner, but not in a just in an easy way.

So I want to talk about the book first because I loved it.

So I want to talk about the book first because I loved it.

Hanging on by Hanging by a Thread.

Hanging on by Hanging by a Thread.

Yeah, it's available now in the show notes to the listener, I'm going to have links to bite it straight away.

Yeah, it's available now in the show notes to the listener, I'm going to have links to bite it straight away.

But it's your first book. What was the process? Like, how long did it ta get it right? How did it come about? Yeah?

But it's your first book. What was the process? Like, how long did it ta get it right? How did it come about? Yeah?

So I never kind of thought I would write a book about I used to like writing when I was younger, but I never and I'm I was only thirty eight at the time, so writing a memoif felt really silly.

So I never kind of thought I would write a book about I used to like writing when I was younger, but I never and I'm I was only thirty eight at the time, so writing a memoif felt really silly.

I was like, wow, no, no, I love it. And then it was actually the first person to plant the seed was Hugh Van Kilenberg, who I recorded a podcast with very early on, and he said to me after that podcast, Aaron, you've got to write a book. You've got to write a book.

I was like, wow, no, no, I love it. And then it was actually the first person to plant the seed was Hugh Van Kilenberg, who I recorded a podcast with very early on, and he said to me after that podcast, Aaron, you've got to write a book. You've got to write a book.

And it just kind of circled around for a few years. I just didn't really I wasn't really ready. I was actually the story was still unfolding.

And it just kind of circled around for a few years. I just didn't really I wasn't really ready. I was actually the story was still unfolding.

Really.

Really.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That time a lot.

That time a lot.

And then last year I got a book deal. I assumed that I would get a ghost writer.

And then last year I got a book deal. I assumed that I would get a ghost writer.

Oh no, you can tell yeah, I assume that I would.

Oh no, you can tell yeah, I assume that I would.

And then my publisher said no, no, no, no, no, no no, you I know, you can write your writing this And so I wrote it and it was really cathartic.

And then my publisher said no, no, no, no, no, no no, you I know, you can write your writing this And so I wrote it and it was really cathartic.

It was really it was a really I'm I'm.

It was really it was a really I'm I'm.

Very honest, very open. It's something that's that's it's not a conscious thing.

Very honest, very open. It's something that's that's it's not a conscious thing.

It just happens. It's like no filter, yeah, no filter.

It just happens. It's like no filter, yeah, no filter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so writing the book in that way was very freeing, and it made it very easy to write because I.

And so writing the book in that way was very freeing, and it made it very easy to write because I.

Was just like, I was just writing everything that came into my head.

Was just like, I was just writing everything that came into my head.

And you've kind of written chronologically as well, where it makes it like be on this adventure with you.

And you've kind of written chronologically as well, where it makes it like be on this adventure with you.

Yeah, yeah, I know, like my dad.

Yeah, yeah, I know, like my dad.

Has only just read it. He took a really long time to read. I think he was just waiting for the right time. And he's just like, darg, how did you remember everything?

Has only just read it. He took a really long time to read. I think he was just waiting for the right time. And he's just like, darg, how did you remember everything?

It's like your memory.

It's like your memory.

I'm like, I know, I just sat there and just all these I mean, there's so many stories that aren't even in the book. And guess there was so much that happened during the Triangle Times. But it was, it was it was fun remembering them all.

I'm like, I know, I just sat there and just all these I mean, there's so many stories that aren't even in the book. And guess there was so much that happened during the Triangle Times. But it was, it was it was fun remembering them all.

Yeah, it really was. And how long did it take?

Yeah, it really was. And how long did it take?

It?

It?

Not long? Really.

Not long? Really.

I had got As signed the book deal in October twenty twenty two, and I had a deadline, like and I'm a procrastinator, so I had a deadline for the end of jan and I didn't start writing really until sort of mid December.

I had got As signed the book deal in October twenty twenty two, and I had a deadline, like and I'm a procrastinator, so I had a deadline for the end of jan and I didn't start writing really until sort of mid December.

Oh wow, okay, And I.

Oh wow, okay, And I.

Just did it in really really focused chunks. I did two weeks and I wrote about half the book in two weeks. I just like locked myself away. Yeah, I loved it. I did like twelve hour day.

Just did it in really really focused chunks. I did two weeks and I wrote about half the book in two weeks. I just like locked myself away. Yeah, I loved it. I did like twelve hour day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I light writing that way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I light writing that way.

I like, yeah, I like got the flowers and the candle, yeah, soft music and the temperature, you know, like.

I like, yeah, I like got the flowers and the candle, yeah, soft music and the temperature, you know, like.

I felt really I felt really.

I felt really I felt really.

Like it's a thing you've got to create, like a writer's retreat.

Like it's a thing you've got to create, like a writer's retreat.

Yes, exactly.

Yes, exactly.

So I wrote the first chunk and then I had a couple of weeks off because it was sort of a lot and it was a bit exhausted and.

So I wrote the first chunk and then I had a couple of weeks off because it was sort of a lot and it was a bit exhausted and.

Had a bit of just you know, a bit of a break.

Had a bit of just you know, a bit of a break.

And then I did the last sort of twenty thirty thousand words in four days.

And then I did the last sort of twenty thirty thousand words in four days.

No, because I had to hand the book in.

No, because I had to hand the book in.

So I took myself to an Airbnb and yeah, this is the way to do it.

So I took myself to an Airbnb and yeah, this is the way to do it.

And I just said to my husband.

And I just said to my husband.

Or you know, I just was like, just you got the kiddos, and I did, you know, twelve fourteen hours and I just sat there and I just wrote and I wrote and I wrote and I finished it. So it was a really short process. But a memoir, I feel, can be because it's not you don't have to really worry too much about any continuity because it's there because it's your story.

Or you know, I just was like, just you got the kiddos, and I did, you know, twelve fourteen hours and I just sat there and I just wrote and I wrote and I wrote and I finished it. So it was a really short process. But a memoir, I feel, can be because it's not you don't have to really worry too much about any continuity because it's there because it's your story.

Yes. So I was I'm so glad you didn't get a ghost writer because I started reading it and I was like, oh, I feelt we were just having a chat. Yes, And it's so good that your tone and voice was totally and that's thanks to you writing it.

Yes. So I was I'm so glad you didn't get a ghost writer because I started reading it and I was like, oh, I feelt we were just having a chat. Yes, And it's so good that your tone and voice was totally and that's thanks to you writing it.

Yeah, exactly, And it would have just not worked otherwise, it would have just been Yeah, I'm like really proud of it that I wrote it.

Yeah, exactly, And it would have just not worked otherwise, it would have just been Yeah, I'm like really proud of it that I wrote it.

I still can't believe that I actually wrote it. It's just bizarre.

I still can't believe that I actually wrote it. It's just bizarre.

Oh you did so good, well done. I want another one, pabe, I.

Oh you did so good, well done. I want another one, pabe, I.

Know, I know.

Know, I know.

I don't even know what the next one will be on. I know there'll be another one, just because I love the process so much. Yeah, we're just working out which way to go on it because you can't write another memoir.

I don't even know what the next one will be on. I know there'll be another one, just because I love the process so much. Yeah, we're just working out which way to go on it because you can't write another memoir.

So I was like, you never know though I could.

So I was like, you never know though I could.

You totally could, because this is what's so cool about you, and there's so many areas can go today. You're kind of like master of all these different things like mum life, success, life, business life, entrepreneur like that. It's so exciting to kind of like unpick all the different things. So look, you know, I think he could have made part two, three, four, five, go for go. So and I know you've told this story in mazillion times, but obviously Triangle is like you created incredible beautiful beasts. Yes, and I have to hear that Date to Beach story because I have had that moment where you're like, oh shit, I've got a beach shade. Oh I can't wear my cotton on kinis anymore.

You totally could, because this is what's so cool about you, and there's so many areas can go today. You're kind of like master of all these different things like mum life, success, life, business life, entrepreneur like that. It's so exciting to kind of like unpick all the different things. So look, you know, I think he could have made part two, three, four, five, go for go. So and I know you've told this story in mazillion times, but obviously Triangle is like you created incredible beautiful beasts. Yes, and I have to hear that Date to Beach story because I have had that moment where you're like, oh shit, I've got a beach shade. Oh I can't wear my cotton on kinis anymore.

So ugly? I can't.

So ugly? I can't.

Yeah, yeah, the faithful faith because I wasn't a bikini girl, which is the this is the ironic thing. I was really marketing to myself with Triangle because I was trying to win over me because I just didn't really care. I was like so into fashion but not into swimwear because I just was like nothing, there was nothing cool out there, and I wasn't going to spend good, hard earned money on a bikini when I could buy a dress or a skirt. So I met my you know, future business partner, future fiance, just out and he was ten years older than me.

Yeah, yeah, the faithful faith because I wasn't a bikini girl, which is the this is the ironic thing. I was really marketing to myself with Triangle because I was trying to win over me because I just didn't really care. I was like so into fashion but not into swimwear because I just was like nothing, there was nothing cool out there, and I wasn't going to spend good, hard earned money on a bikini when I could buy a dress or a skirt. So I met my you know, future business partner, future fiance, just out and he was ten years older than me.

He'd already done the business thing. He was like, I was in awe of this guy, like, you.

He'd already done the business thing. He was like, I was in awe of this guy, like, you.

Know, just he'd played AFL, he was a fashion designer. I honestly had actually dreamed him off like he like I'd manifested this person because I didn't actually think he existed, and I wish I'd written it down somewhere, but I must have just told girlfriends that I was like, I'm going to end up with a guy that's really, like really tall, dark.

Know, just he'd played AFL, he was a fashion designer. I honestly had actually dreamed him off like he like I'd manifested this person because I didn't actually think he existed, and I wish I'd written it down somewhere, but I must have just told girlfriends that I was like, I'm going to end up with a guy that's really, like really tall, dark.

Brown hair, like dark and handsome, and.

Brown hair, like dark and handsome, and.

He'll have played AFL but he'll be a fashion designer, I swear to God.

He'll have played AFL but he'll be a fashion designer, I swear to God.

And then I met Craig and I was like, that's weird. Yeah, you know, I still remember that label?

And then I met Craig and I was like, that's weird. Yeah, you know, I still remember that label?

Was it Saint Lennie Lennie I worked on Greville Street time, and so when I was reading this part, I was like, oh my god, this reminds me of my working at STEVIEE days.

Was it Saint Lennie Lennie I worked on Greville Street time, and so when I was reading this part, I was like, oh my god, this reminds me of my working at STEVIEE days.

I went to a little shop down there.

I went to a little shop down there.

Yeah, it was like that's Groom Street was happening right at that time, and so it makes sense.

Yeah, it was like that's Groom Street was happening right at that time, and so it makes sense.

So you've you've manifested this dream manifested this dream guy.

So you've you've manifested this dream manifested this dream guy.

And then so basically anything he wanted to do, I was like, okay, cool yea. So he was like, let's have my second date and let's go to the beach, and I'm just trying to play it cool, like Nori's just internally.

And then so basically anything he wanted to do, I was like, okay, cool yea. So he was like, let's have my second date and let's go to the beach, and I'm just trying to play it cool, like Nori's just internally.

Going, oh my god a lot.

Going, oh my god a lot.

I'm twenty seven years old, so I'm a baby. Yeah yeah, and he's thirty seven. And I went around that morning of the date to try and find a bikini because I was like, I've got to find something cool. And I went Shadston Shopping Center in Melbourne and I ran around.

I'm twenty seven years old, so I'm a baby. Yeah yeah, and he's thirty seven. And I went around that morning of the date to try and find a bikini because I was like, I've got to find something cool. And I went Shadston Shopping Center in Melbourne and I ran around.

I couldn't find anything. It was just nothing that does.

I couldn't find anything. It was just nothing that does.

So I had got to Zimmerman one hundred and fifty five dollars for a bikini that was okay but a bit too flowery for me, but it was like all right. And then I got down to the beach and I proceeded to tell him the story and I just was a fun story and he is just like straight away going, well, that's that's we should get market and I was like, there is we should make the ketis.

So I had got to Zimmerman one hundred and fifty five dollars for a bikini that was okay but a bit too flowery for me, but it was like all right. And then I got down to the beach and I proceeded to tell him the story and I just was a fun story and he is just like straight away going, well, that's that's we should get market and I was like, there is we should make the ketis.

Having no idea what it was like to have a business.

Having no idea what it was like to have a business.

I'd always worked in small business like before that, so I knew what it was like, but I hadn't even had those.

I'd always worked in small business like before that, so I knew what it was like, but I hadn't even had those.

Aspirations for myself yet. Yeah.

Aspirations for myself yet. Yeah.

I thought I would just sort of I'm like, that'll happen maybe like in.

I thought I would just sort of I'm like, that'll happen maybe like in.

Five years or something. But he decided, you know, asked me if I wanted to do it.

Five years or something. But he decided, you know, asked me if I wanted to do it.

I was like, yeah, let's let's do it, and we just pushed forward with with Triangle from that moment on.

I was like, yeah, let's let's do it, and we just pushed forward with with Triangle from that moment on.

So like our romantic relationship was never that.

So like our romantic relationship was never that.

Only it was always intertwined.

Only it was always intertwined.

Yeah, with the business from like the get.

Yeah, with the business from like the get.

Go and then what made you guys go? If it we're going to go to Hong Kong, We're going to give this a red hot crack, like you'd sold your possessions.

Go and then what made you guys go? If it we're going to go to Hong Kong, We're going to give this a red hot crack, like you'd sold your possessions.

You're like, let's just yeah, I've always been that like act now, think later. Person. That's a great thing. It's great, it's great.

You're like, let's just yeah, I've always been that like act now, think later. Person. That's a great thing. It's great, it's great.

It's not as good now when you have four children, you're like, why not? And that's their But back then, obviously no, you know, I was just like the ceiling in Australia in fashion I felt was quite low anyway. I hadn't studied, I wasn't a designer. I was more in marketing. I was like, I can't really move. It's going to tell me a while to get anywhere.

It's not as good now when you have four children, you're like, why not? And that's their But back then, obviously no, you know, I was just like the ceiling in Australia in fashion I felt was quite low anyway. I hadn't studied, I wasn't a designer. I was more in marketing. I was like, I can't really move. It's going to tell me a while to get anywhere.

It stuck.

It stuck.

So when you know, and he had he'd been bankrupt from Saint Lenny's, so he was sort of just like hated that. He was a lot of everyone knew who he was and it wasn't in a great way, and he was just like, I want to start fresh. And I was like, well, I'm happy to go along because that's really exciting. So we just decided to move to Hong Kong to start the business there.

So when you know, and he had he'd been bankrupt from Saint Lenny's, so he was sort of just like hated that. He was a lot of everyone knew who he was and it wasn't in a great way, and he was just like, I want to start fresh. And I was like, well, I'm happy to go along because that's really exciting. So we just decided to move to Hong Kong to start the business there.

It just was closer to the supply chain.

It just was closer to the supply chain.

It felt just more exciting, and it just was like fresh start, fresh start.

It felt just more exciting, and it just was like fresh start, fresh start.

So we did. We just started. We didn't have much to say, but we sold everything and we just and you lived very lean, right, oh my god, so lean.

So we did. We just started. We didn't have much to say, but we sold everything and we just and you lived very lean, right, oh my god, so lean.

We actually found a really beautiful apartment in the sense of for Hong Kong terms. It was this open plan in central Hong Kong. It was pretty cheap, and we just parked ourselves there and just worked.

We actually found a really beautiful apartment in the sense of for Hong Kong terms. It was this open plan in central Hong Kong. It was pretty cheap, and we just parked ourselves there and just worked.

And we didn't have any money.

And we didn't have any money.

You know, we ran out of money, and we were just really trying to do everything to make some money to get the first production run in for Triangle. Because we were so we had to deviate a few times and like Craig worked for someone else for.

You know, we ran out of money, and we were just really trying to do everything to make some money to get the first production run in for Triangle. Because we were so we had to deviate a few times and like Craig worked for someone else for.

A while and end up borrowing money, right up borrowing money.

A while and end up borrowing money, right up borrowing money.

We borrowed twenty five grand because there was no I couldn't work, I didn't have a visa, there was no other way we were going to be able to make enough money quickly enough to start the business and get it going. So we brought a little bit of money to start it, and and the rest is kind of history in that sense, because we were really fortunate.

We borrowed twenty five grand because there was no I couldn't work, I didn't have a visa, there was no other way we were going to be able to make enough money quickly enough to start the business and get it going. So we brought a little bit of money to start it, and and the rest is kind of history in that sense, because we were really fortunate.

I like, and this is where and I know you're going to be like lolla, you're just like jumping around here, but I have to ask, like, I'm like, how does it go? Like, so you're you're in Hong Kong, you're doing the whole lean business, doing as both of you doing as many jobs as humanly possible to your costs down. And it wasn't initially like in that little apartment. Initially that's where you guys like ye had your sample all everything, all there everything, and it would like work from your bed.

I like, and this is where and I know you're going to be like lolla, you're just like jumping around here, but I have to ask, like, I'm like, how does it go? Like, so you're you're in Hong Kong, you're doing the whole lean business, doing as both of you doing as many jobs as humanly possible to your costs down. And it wasn't initially like in that little apartment. Initially that's where you guys like ye had your sample all everything, all there everything, and it would like work from your bed.

Oh yeah, it was like there was there was only one desk and one chair, so like I had nowhere else do work. I had to work from my bed.

Oh yeah, it was like there was there was only one desk and one chair, so like I had nowhere else do work. I had to work from my bed.

And so we were just we were just every day and it was quite at the start. It was tricky for me before we launched because I was I didn't know what I was bringing to the brand and the business yet, because my strength was all marketing, sales, customer care, all like product related stuff. So I was just kind of sitting there mainly just sort of trying on samples and we were just deciding what we wanted to do first for product and helping kind of I guess, you know, like A knew fashion, but I didn't know swimwear, and so it was sort of.

And so we were just we were just every day and it was quite at the start. It was tricky for me before we launched because I was I didn't know what I was bringing to the brand and the business yet, because my strength was all marketing, sales, customer care, all like product related stuff. So I was just kind of sitting there mainly just sort of trying on samples and we were just deciding what we wanted to do first for product and helping kind of I guess, you know, like A knew fashion, but I didn't know swimwear, and so it was sort of.

Just like uncharted territory. Yeah, so on so much so.

Just like uncharted territory. Yeah, so on so much so.

And then when we went to market eventually, which was jan twenty thirteen, that was when it was like, Okay, cool, now I can really sink my teeth into that.

And then when we went to market eventually, which was jan twenty thirteen, that was when it was like, Okay, cool, now I can really sink my teeth into that.

And your whole mantra I love, which is that is it the underpromise over deliver.

And your whole mantra I love, which is that is it the underpromise over deliver.

Underpromise over deliver, And that was so good and so easy to do when you're a startup and you're getting like one sale a week because you can treat that one customer like they are the other customer because they are, you know, And that was really like, I love that. I'd worked in retail from eighteen years old. Yeah, so I knew how the customer operated. I knew the psychology. I knew what impressed them, I knew what they didn't like. I knew what it would take to get loyalty and what it would take to get them to want to buy.

Underpromise over deliver, And that was so good and so easy to do when you're a startup and you're getting like one sale a week because you can treat that one customer like they are the other customer because they are, you know, And that was really like, I love that. I'd worked in retail from eighteen years old. Yeah, so I knew how the customer operated. I knew the psychology. I knew what impressed them, I knew what they didn't like. I knew what it would take to get loyalty and what it would take to get them to want to buy.

From you know.

From you know.

I knew.

I knew.

But that's great skill set, it was, and it was actually, yeah, it's a difference, makes such a difference every element of like any customer business.

But that's great skill set, it was, and it was actually, yeah, it's a difference, makes such a difference every element of like any customer business.

Relate anything anything consumer, any consumer brand, like you have to treat them with the utmost respect at all times. And it's like it has to come above the monetary part of it has to come above.

Relate anything anything consumer, any consumer brand, like you have to treat them with the utmost respect at all times. And it's like it has to come above the monetary part of it has to come above.

Everything else because the end.

Everything else because the end.

Of the day without them, like you know, you've got nothing and you got no one, And especially in today's landscape where it's so saturated and they're like triangle, we were so lucky. There was like no one there was there weren't that many good swimmer brands. Now there'd be hundreds.

Of the day without them, like you know, you've got nothing and you got no one, And especially in today's landscape where it's so saturated and they're like triangle, we were so lucky. There was like no one there was there weren't that many good swimmer brands. Now there'd be hundreds.

Well you have a copycat few copycat situation. It was eve when I was reading it, and you're like Victoria's Secret, and I was like.

Well you have a copycat few copycat situation. It was eve when I was reading it, and you're like Victoria's Secret, and I was like.

They were the worst too, and they were known for that.

They were the worst too, and they were known for that.

They did everyone. They were like Asian provocateur. They used to just rip off like mercilessly, like so bad everyone.

They did everyone. They were like Asian provocateur. They used to just rip off like mercilessly, like so bad everyone.

They were the worst.

They were the worst.

And did your lawyers come back and be like this will be a million dollars to even fight it, And there was no chance that we would win because they can cover their tracks.

And did your lawyers come back and be like this will be a million dollars to even fight it, And there was no chance that we would win because they can cover their tracks.

And they're like such a conglomerate. It's mild. So I have to go from that to like the.

And they're like such a conglomerate. It's mild. So I have to go from that to like the.

Moment because you you built such like the Triangle Girl like this kind of like whole movement and you got like the incredible Kendle Jenna and your method for making that happen is absolutely genius.

Moment because you you built such like the Triangle Girl like this kind of like whole movement and you got like the incredible Kendle Jenna and your method for making that happen is absolutely genius.

Can you please share that story?

Can you please share that story?

Oh my god, I just feel like Kendall would just hate me because this it went viral on TikTok.

Oh my god, I just feel like Kendall would just hate me because this it went viral on TikTok.

Because people's over a million views, four millionaires.

Because people's over a million views, four millionaires.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, holy Mac know, I'm like cut to she must be like this errand she is so fucking annoyed.

Yeah, holy Mac know, I'm like cut to she must be like this errand she is so fucking annoyed.

No, I bet you guys, I reckon, we will and I'll be like I'm really sorry.

No, I bet you guys, I reckon, we will and I'll be like I'm really sorry.

Sorry, I was young, you were young. It's okay, like tricks you. But anyway, So the story is we were I mean, we were trying.

Sorry, I was young, you were young. It's okay, like tricks you. But anyway, So the story is we were I mean, we were trying.

It's like it wasn't just this one idea that we like backed in with Kendall. We were trying so many weird, random marketing strategies to.

It's like it wasn't just this one idea that we like backed in with Kendall. We were trying so many weird, random marketing strategies to.

Get guerrilla marketing, and yeah, like.

Get guerrilla marketing, and yeah, like.

We were just like what about that this could work? And like most of them didn't. But at the time, we were gifting and we were like probably the first brand that I knew to gift without any you know, obligation to post or share or anything.

We were just like what about that this could work? And like most of them didn't. But at the time, we were gifting and we were like probably the first brand that I knew to gift without any you know, obligation to post or share or anything.

So we were gifting a.

So we were gifting a.

Lot, and it had kind of been so successful for us that I when I was gifting, I'd find a girl that I would like, and then I would say to her, hey, do.

Lot, and it had kind of been so successful for us that I when I was gifting, I'd find a girl that I would like, and then I would say to her, hey, do.

You have a couple of friends that would want a bikini as well?

You have a couple of friends that would want a bikini as well?

And they would be like, oh my god, yes, and I'm like, what about like pick three or four of like your best friends. So then they would all get together pick their bikinis. And I didn't know who any of them were. It didn't matter. It was just that real word of mouth excitement but ed with your mate, yeah, And.

And they would be like, oh my god, yes, and I'm like, what about like pick three or four of like your best friends. So then they would all get together pick their bikinis. And I didn't know who any of them were. It didn't matter. It was just that real word of mouth excitement but ed with your mate, yeah, And.

So that was working. We were already doing that.

So that was working. We were already doing that.

So when we went after Kendall, we basically just applied the same logic to all of Kendall's friends and then left Kendall out. And to be honest, like as much as it was a great marketing idea and it was like really clever, it also was kind of just because we couldn't even reach it.

So when we went after Kendall, we basically just applied the same logic to all of Kendall's friends and then left Kendall out. And to be honest, like as much as it was a great marketing idea and it was like really clever, it also was kind of just because we couldn't even reach it.

Really.

Really.

I mean, I don't remember, but it's highly possible I did send her like a message or a comment or anything, but it would have never have been said no, no, So really, even though we did fomo and bait her, it was kind of not really the like it was like there.

I mean, I don't remember, but it's highly possible I did send her like a message or a comment or anything, but it would have never have been said no, no, So really, even though we did fomo and bait her, it was kind of not really the like it was like there.

Was a good nation teacher.

Was a good nation teacher.

I wasn't trying to be mean and anyway, So we gifted all of her friends and there was like Bella had did and Hailey Baldwin at the time, and then a bunch of other girls, and.

I wasn't trying to be mean and anyway, So we gifted all of her friends and there was like Bella had did and Hailey Baldwin at the time, and then a bunch of other girls, and.

We just gifted.

We just gifted.

We were already gifting Hailey and Bella. They were already triangle girls. Bella used to always send us in photos that were way too sexy because she was like so sexy at sixteen already like always like really quicked up all it was like, yeah, warm, and it was like we were like, oh, why she lifting u bikinis up so high because we were like she was ahead of the cursive, so she was like so sexy and like, so they were already girls that were gifting. So we just then like widened the pool to go to a few of their other friends and then just kind of I think we perhaps even gifted them a few times and sort of we were like just going really hard on like taking care of them and then leaving Kendall out. And we'd found girls that weren't even really on socials that were in her friendship group. So we were just like really, and we were just thinking, well, if they all get together at a pool or because they were.

We were already gifting Hailey and Bella. They were already triangle girls. Bella used to always send us in photos that were way too sexy because she was like so sexy at sixteen already like always like really quicked up all it was like, yeah, warm, and it was like we were like, oh, why she lifting u bikinis up so high because we were like she was ahead of the cursive, so she was like so sexy and like, so they were already girls that were gifting. So we just then like widened the pool to go to a few of their other friends and then just kind of I think we perhaps even gifted them a few times and sort of we were like just going really hard on like taking care of them and then leaving Kendall out. And we'd found girls that weren't even really on socials that were in her friendship group. So we were just like really, and we were just thinking, well, if they all get together at a pool or because they were.

Like you that's all they did.

Like you that's all they did.

That was sixteen, you know, they were young girls. We were like, Kendall's just going to be like, what is going on here? Why am I not getting any they and probably thinking they probably just can't reach me because I'm like already super famous. So she got my email address from one of her friends, and one morning I woke up to an email from her saying, Hey, like, all my friends have these triangle bikinis and they're awesome.

That was sixteen, you know, they were young girls. We were like, Kendall's just going to be like, what is going on here? Why am I not getting any they and probably thinking they probably just can't reach me because I'm like already super famous. So she got my email address from one of her friends, and one morning I woke up to an email from her saying, Hey, like, all my friends have these triangle bikinis and they're awesome.

Can I get some?

Can I get some?

And we were just like it was so unexpected as much as what we wanted. It was one of those like moments, Yeah, it's one of those we just threw it at the wall like yeah, whatever, we'll see one day, maybe I doubt it, you know kind of thing.

And we were just like it was so unexpected as much as what we wanted. It was one of those like moments, Yeah, it's one of those we just threw it at the wall like yeah, whatever, we'll see one day, maybe I doubt it, you know kind of thing.

And so of course we sent her the whole collection.

And so of course we sent her the whole collection.

And then you know that that really did kicks us into the States.

And then you know that that really did kicks us into the States.

We already were in there, thah, because of the strategies.

We already were in there, thah, because of the strategies.

That we were doing that were more sort of grounded and a bit more sort of consistent and a bit more free flowing. That was just the one that was, you know, because she was the hot kind of Jenner Kardashian, like the young and up and comer.

That we were doing that were more sort of grounded and a bit more sort of consistent and a bit more free flowing. That was just the one that was, you know, because she was the hot kind of Jenner Kardashian, like the young and up and comer.

And she was the most like a Triangle girl, Yeah, totally. She was like athletic, athletic fit were like paddle boarding, Yeah, trible, like they were, you know, And she tweeted right to like five.

And she was the most like a Triangle girl, Yeah, totally. She was like athletic, athletic fit were like paddle boarding, Yeah, trible, like they were, you know, And she tweeted right to like five.

Million Twitter followers and then that just everyone just turned her attention to Triangle from that from kind of that point. And that was in June twenty thirteen, so only six months after we launched, So it was so like, you know, that was a long six months of like you know, but at the same time, people do that for years, so we were very fortunate.

Million Twitter followers and then that just everyone just turned her attention to Triangle from that from kind of that point. And that was in June twenty thirteen, so only six months after we launched, So it was so like, you know, that was a long six months of like you know, but at the same time, people do that for years, so we were very fortunate.

How exciting though, So there's so this is what was so cool about reading you book.

How exciting though, So there's so this is what was so cool about reading you book.

There were so many wins, right And there were moments.

There were so many wins, right And there were moments.

Where like the chapter where it was like private jets Monaco super like yachts and and I was like, what this doesn't feel like real life?

Where like the chapter where it was like private jets Monaco super like yachts and and I was like, what this doesn't feel like real life?

No, I didn't at all.

No, I didn't at all.

And then to get your take on where you were feeling mentally was so fascinating because I think like on the outside, you would have looked to everybody back home like you were living not even the dream life, but like such a surreal yeah, like something so far away from reality.

And then to get your take on where you were feeling mentally was so fascinating because I think like on the outside, you would have looked to everybody back home like you were living not even the dream life, but like such a surreal yeah, like something so far away from reality.

Yeah, like I've never even been.

Yeah, like I've never even been.

To Monaco, like private I don't even think I've.

To Monaco, like private I don't even think I've.

Seen a private jet, like you know what I mean.

Seen a private jet, like you know what I mean.

Like it just feels so separate, like living like that superstar a lista kind of life. But then to be feeling not happy and not can it? Can you share a little bit about like being so spid we're easeling at one stage, like two hundred thousand dollars us bikini a day day is wild?

Like it just feels so separate, like living like that superstar a lista kind of life. But then to be feeling not happy and not can it? Can you share a little bit about like being so spid we're easeling at one stage, like two hundred thousand dollars us bikini a day day is wild?

A day wild? Yeah, yeah, it was. It was you know, I'd always wanted to be successful. I'd always wanted to have some level of wealth. I think when you're young, you don't really know what that means. You probably just think you want like a fairly nice car, like a Berbot, you're in a nice house. Yeah, that was it, and then to have what happened so quickly was like the biggest shock to the system because you or I assumed, you know, naively, because I'm still young, that the more money you have, the happier you are.

A day wild? Yeah, yeah, it was. It was you know, I'd always wanted to be successful. I'd always wanted to have some level of wealth. I think when you're young, you don't really know what that means. You probably just think you want like a fairly nice car, like a Berbot, you're in a nice house. Yeah, that was it, and then to have what happened so quickly was like the biggest shock to the system because you or I assumed, you know, naively, because I'm still young, that the more money you have, the happier you are.

It was like a default, you know, It's like that's all the way it works.

It was like a default, you know, It's like that's all the way it works.

Yeah, that's just how the system is just like the more money, the more like a later.

Yeah, that's just how the system is just like the more money, the more like a later.

It's just it's just wasn't happening, you know.

It's just it's just wasn't happening, you know.

It was the more money we had, the more confused and the more I had this lack of identity around it because the business out grew me very quickly, as you know in hindsight. Obviously, at the time that was so mortifying because I couldn't understand why I wasn't just automatically leveling up, not realizing that of course you're not going to able to level up just naturally when your business suddenly is doing two thousand pairs of bikinis a day. That's a huge, huge business. But at the same time it was on paper because of what we were doing, but it still was largely just Craig and I with a small supply chain supply chain team in Hong Kong. So it was just really unique in terms of we were making so much money. We had never had money. I didn't we didn't know how to handle money. We'd never really it was like we were like whoa.

It was the more money we had, the more confused and the more I had this lack of identity around it because the business out grew me very quickly, as you know in hindsight. Obviously, at the time that was so mortifying because I couldn't understand why I wasn't just automatically leveling up, not realizing that of course you're not going to able to level up just naturally when your business suddenly is doing two thousand pairs of bikinis a day. That's a huge, huge business. But at the same time it was on paper because of what we were doing, but it still was largely just Craig and I with a small supply chain supply chain team in Hong Kong. So it was just really unique in terms of we were making so much money. We had never had money. I didn't we didn't know how to handle money. We'd never really it was like we were like whoa.

But also like who what do we do here?

But also like who what do we do here?

And so of course we moved to Monaco and or Superyar, bought supercars and five jets, and we tried all of that. And of course that was initially and then you set settled down after that because you're like, we don't this is you know, we don't need all these things.

And so of course we moved to Monaco and or Superyar, bought supercars and five jets, and we tried all of that. And of course that was initially and then you set settled down after that because you're like, we don't this is you know, we don't need all these things.

But that was all kind of happening.

But that was all kind of happening.

And and at the same time, I was doing nothing to develop any tools to manage mentally, I wasn't leveling up in a business sense.

And and at the same time, I was doing nothing to develop any tools to manage mentally, I wasn't leveling up in a business sense.

I didn't know how. I didn't.

I didn't know how. I didn't.

We'd outgrown every single person I'd ever known in terms of business. So the people in Melbourne that I knew that the most successful people, we were doing like twenty times what they were doing. Yeah, So I had I feel I had no one, no mentor no even person just to model my behavior on.

We'd outgrown every single person I'd ever known in terms of business. So the people in Melbourne that I knew that the most successful people, we were doing like twenty times what they were doing. Yeah, So I had I feel I had no one, no mentor no even person just to model my behavior on.

And you're still so young.

And you're still so young.

So like if you think about like that time period of your life, like that's when you're figuring out who you are ye your value system, Yeah, what's important to you? Like I've heard you mention a lot, like you're missing connection, oh so much.

So like if you think about like that time period of your life, like that's when you're figuring out who you are ye your value system, Yeah, what's important to you? Like I've heard you mention a lot, like you're missing connection, oh so much.

Because we were very isolated.

Because we were very isolated.

We didn't make any friends in Hong Kong, we didn't make any friends in Monaco. You know, we would just work and travel for work and then work and then you know, and it was so isolated.

We didn't make any friends in Hong Kong, we didn't make any friends in Monaco. You know, we would just work and travel for work and then work and then you know, and it was so isolated.

And Craig really liked that.

And Craig really liked that.

He's very introverted, so he has you know, three best friends he has he had me, and he was very content. On hand was I'm not super extroverted, but I definitely need people around me more so, I need to connect with people.

He's very introverted, so he has you know, three best friends he has he had me, and he was very content. On hand was I'm not super extroverted, but I definitely need people around me more so, I need to connect with people.

I need to talk to people.

I need to talk to people.

I need to you know, like I love human behavior, and so for me, not even like the fact that I didn't have that was also very detrimental to the business for me because I lost touch with what people were wanting, how people were evolving. I wasn't seeing that at all because I was just insular and it was really and then, you know, to top it all off, I couldn't even tell anyone that I was struggling mentally with all of this, because no one wants to hear about the multi millionaire who sat. You know, even when I wrote this book, I was, you know, my publisher, even though she knew the story and loved it and was not thinking this at all, she was like, We've got to be mindful that you don't come across like the poor rich girl. And I'm like, well, that's why I never told anyone that I was struggling because I just knew that people would be like, cool eron, I really want to hear about your problems from Monaco while you're sitting there on a super hot like come on. So I internalized every feeling that I had, the feelings of imposter syndrome within the business, the feelings of why is money not automatically making me happy? And then of course, you know the struggles I was having with Craig because we were so very, very different, and that was becoming more and more apparent every day, using a lot of internal strain on our relationship. And so I was just internalizing all of these things, which when you're twenty eight, twenty nine years old, internalizing all these things, it's going to come out in really toxic ways.

I need to you know, like I love human behavior, and so for me, not even like the fact that I didn't have that was also very detrimental to the business for me because I lost touch with what people were wanting, how people were evolving. I wasn't seeing that at all because I was just insular and it was really and then, you know, to top it all off, I couldn't even tell anyone that I was struggling mentally with all of this, because no one wants to hear about the multi millionaire who sat. You know, even when I wrote this book, I was, you know, my publisher, even though she knew the story and loved it and was not thinking this at all, she was like, We've got to be mindful that you don't come across like the poor rich girl. And I'm like, well, that's why I never told anyone that I was struggling because I just knew that people would be like, cool eron, I really want to hear about your problems from Monaco while you're sitting there on a super hot like come on. So I internalized every feeling that I had, the feelings of imposter syndrome within the business, the feelings of why is money not automatically making me happy? And then of course, you know the struggles I was having with Craig because we were so very, very different, and that was becoming more and more apparent every day, using a lot of internal strain on our relationship. And so I was just internalizing all of these things, which when you're twenty eight, twenty nine years old, internalizing all these things, it's going to come out in really toxic ways.

And it was it was like you, has anyone told you that this all happened to you in your Satin return?

And it was it was like you, has anyone told you that this all happened to you in your Satin return?

Yes, yeah it was. It was twenty seven to thirty three act.

Yes, yeah it was. It was twenty seven to thirty three act.

I got out at the end of my satur return and I was like, that is.

I got out at the end of my satur return and I was like, that is.

So, yeah, you had you had a why return my friend return wild? Yeah, so if you if you're comfy sharing, obviously like and the reason why I asked this is I've got a history of eating disorders as well. And I remember, for me, if I felt trapped, and you wrote the word trapped a couple of times, and for me, if I was like, I feel trapped and I feel suffocated, and I feel like I can't control anything, so I'm going to control this one. That was the one thing I've got in my life.

So, yeah, you had you had a why return my friend return wild? Yeah, so if you if you're comfy sharing, obviously like and the reason why I asked this is I've got a history of eating disorders as well. And I remember, for me, if I felt trapped, and you wrote the word trapped a couple of times, and for me, if I was like, I feel trapped and I feel suffocated, and I feel like I can't control anything, so I'm going to control this one. That was the one thing I've got in my life.

That was exactly it.

That was exactly it.

Yeah, exactly, it was like, to be honest, it was the only thing that brought me comfort. Yeah, you know, and that's so awful because how dangerous is that?

Yeah, exactly, it was like, to be honest, it was the only thing that brought me comfort. Yeah, you know, and that's so awful because how dangerous is that?

But it really was.

But it really was.

It was the only thing that I had control over in a life that was spiraling out of control for whatever, you know, whether it was because the thing is, it didn't matter that it was spiraling out of control because we're making so much money. It was still spiraling out of control, and therefore I needed to control it in other ways, which was you know, disordered eating eating disorder. It would go you know, as you know, it's never it's like it would go between a few of them. Sometimes I'd be like I'm feeling quite good and I'm okay, and then you'd just like have a relapse and be like, no, I'm this is owning me now, so that you know, that was a big one, you know, excessive spending was it was a big one. And that was a really tricky one too, because we had the money. And for me though, it was just like are you to buy fashion for joy? And then I would just start buying fashion for avoid and trying to feel something, so I'd be like buying, buying, buying, and then like not even like opening anything because I was like, the HiT's gone.

It was the only thing that I had control over in a life that was spiraling out of control for whatever, you know, whether it was because the thing is, it didn't matter that it was spiraling out of control because we're making so much money. It was still spiraling out of control, and therefore I needed to control it in other ways, which was you know, disordered eating eating disorder. It would go you know, as you know, it's never it's like it would go between a few of them. Sometimes I'd be like I'm feeling quite good and I'm okay, and then you'd just like have a relapse and be like, no, I'm this is owning me now, so that you know, that was a big one, you know, excessive spending was it was a big one. And that was a really tricky one too, because we had the money. And for me though, it was just like are you to buy fashion for joy? And then I would just start buying fashion for avoid and trying to feel something, so I'd be like buying, buying, buying, and then like not even like opening anything because I was like, the HiT's gone.

It's like all these forms of addiction though as well with in the eating disorder world as well, like it's an addiction to feeling and looking a certain way so that you've got this weird false sense of confidence. It's such an interesting basis. I love that you're into human behavior because I'm sure you see, like looking back and doing all this mental health work, you're like, oh, Shi.

It's like all these forms of addiction though as well with in the eating disorder world as well, like it's an addiction to feeling and looking a certain way so that you've got this weird false sense of confidence. It's such an interesting basis. I love that you're into human behavior because I'm sure you see, like looking back and doing all this mental health work, you're like, oh, Shi.

Does it make sense?

Does it make sense?

I did all these things like that is actually very obvious.

I did all these things like that is actually very obvious.

How did I you know?

How did I you know?

But when you're in it, oh my god, and you're so young, like that's the age group as well, where you're like, yeah, I need some kind of especially as well. It sounded like there was quite a lot of uncertainties even though there was so much success and stuff and becoming a mama bear as well, and then I imagine that would have been really tricky with the eating this all.

But when you're in it, oh my god, and you're so young, like that's the age group as well, where you're like, yeah, I need some kind of especially as well. It sounded like there was quite a lot of uncertainties even though there was so much success and stuff and becoming a mama bear as well, and then I imagine that would have been really tricky with the eating this all.

It's so tricky. It was I stopped.

It's so tricky. It was I stopped.

I was baalimic until I fell pregnant with Oscar, and then I just stopped and I was taking laxatives and both I stopped immediately, and so that I was like yeay, and then it just turned into being very like really quite angry. I mean I lost weight from the time I was pregnant with Oscar to the end I was I weighed less and I had a baby in my tubby and I still weighed less, so I was like five kilos lighter.

I was baalimic until I fell pregnant with Oscar, and then I just stopped and I was taking laxatives and both I stopped immediately, and so that I was like yeay, and then it just turned into being very like really quite angry. I mean I lost weight from the time I was pregnant with Oscar to the end I was I weighed less and I had a baby in my tubby and I still weighed less, so I was like five kilos lighter.

Yeah, so I went, I actually.

Yeah, so I went, I actually.

Got more unhealthy because even though I stopped, because I stopped the you know, like cold turkey, stopped those toxic behaviors. Yeah, I had to manage my food so like and that was it was the control part of it too, because I'm about to become a mum where traveling non stop, I'm with a partner who I'm not really in love with anymore, and I'm about.

Got more unhealthy because even though I stopped, because I stopped the you know, like cold turkey, stopped those toxic behaviors. Yeah, I had to manage my food so like and that was it was the control part of it too, because I'm about to become a mum where traveling non stop, I'm with a partner who I'm not really in love with anymore, and I'm about.

To have a baby with him.

To have a baby with him.

So the control side of it, like I was walking, you know, twenty k's a day.

So the control side of it, like I was walking, you know, twenty k's a day.

I was eating their bare minimum, you know.

I was eating their bare minimum, you know.

And when I look back on it, and I do write about it in the book, you know, I Oscar was really sick when he was born, and I just know that that's.

And when I look back on it, and I do write about it in the book, you know, I Oscar was really sick when he was born, and I just know that that's.

Why that it was.

Why that it was.

And it's just one of those things where you just look back and think, I really was so unwell to not be able to discern what I was doing.

And it's just one of those things where you just look back and think, I really was so unwell to not be able to discern what I was doing.

But reading reading that part of the book, I was like, oh, like you had no sort of it felt like other than Craig, there wasn't a massive support networks for you, and the business wasn't slowing down. You weren't slowing down as part of the business that you're just like, right, I can do it all, like I can be which credit to you, Like in a sense, like you did the absolute best in the scenario that you had, and like the do you know the hardest fit for me to read in the book And I'm not a mum at all, but the night you decided that you'd stop feeding breastfeeding Oscar would have been so I'm just like I read it and I was like, that would have been harring because you just had you knew that it was time, but like you know, he's probably the love of your life at this stage, like my.

But reading reading that part of the book, I was like, oh, like you had no sort of it felt like other than Craig, there wasn't a massive support networks for you, and the business wasn't slowing down. You weren't slowing down as part of the business that you're just like, right, I can do it all, like I can be which credit to you, Like in a sense, like you did the absolute best in the scenario that you had, and like the do you know the hardest fit for me to read in the book And I'm not a mum at all, but the night you decided that you'd stop feeding breastfeeding Oscar would have been so I'm just like I read it and I was like, that would have been harring because you just had you knew that it was time, but like you know, he's probably the love of your life at this stage, like my.

Real crutch as well.

Real crutch as well.

That because and as I speak about in the book, the speeding was my skate.

That because and as I speak about in the book, the speeding was my skate.

So when I remember.

So when I remember.

Lying there and being like I have nothing to escape with now, like he's going to become more independent and I can't run away from this.

Lying there and being like I have nothing to escape with now, like he's going to become more independent and I can't run away from this.

Terrible situation that I put myself into where I don't want to be in. It was awful. That actually was. I remember it so clearly.

Terrible situation that I put myself into where I don't want to be in. It was awful. That actually was. I remember it so clearly.

It's one of those memories that like it just literally floods your brain.

It's one of those memories that like it just literally floods your brain.

Yeah, you wrote it beautifully, you wrote it, and it was so As I was reading it was so visceral, I was like, oh my god, I ever made a movie. That scene is like going to be the same scene.

Yeah, you wrote it beautifully, you wrote it, and it was so As I was reading it was so visceral, I was like, oh my god, I ever made a movie. That scene is like going to be the same scene.

Because it's like, oh my god, my life is going back to it. Yeah, it was terrible.

Because it's like, oh my god, my life is going back to it. Yeah, it was terrible.

So how do you then find the courage to be like, nah, like one, I'm out and to I need help or I need to find like build the support that I need.

So how do you then find the courage to be like, nah, like one, I'm out and to I need help or I need to find like build the support that I need.

Like how do you find that courage?

Like how do you find that courage?

It builds, you know, and I'm like I would love to say, you know, like, oh I was so courageous, but I didn't feel courageous because it had been years of me knowing I needed to do something, you know.

It builds, you know, and I'm like I would love to say, you know, like, oh I was so courageous, but I didn't feel courageous because it had been years of me knowing I needed to do something, you know.

Yes, wasn't like I just kind of woke up and went I need.

Yes, wasn't like I just kind of woke up and went I need.

It was like me just sitting there every day with these hateful thoughts towards everything around me, including myself and except for my children, thank god, and just thinking, you know, at some point, going this is not sustainable, you know. And the first step was Craig and I separating. That was kind of the first step. You are an eight months yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome, And I naively thought that that would make me feel a lot better and so that so that was the first thing to happen that was big. That initially I felt kind of good, and then everything kind of came back and I was like, wait, I still feel the same person inside, that.

It was like me just sitting there every day with these hateful thoughts towards everything around me, including myself and except for my children, thank god, and just thinking, you know, at some point, going this is not sustainable, you know. And the first step was Craig and I separating. That was kind of the first step. You are an eight months yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome, And I naively thought that that would make me feel a lot better and so that so that was the first thing to happen that was big. That initially I felt kind of good, and then everything kind of came back and I was like, wait, I still feel the same person inside, that.

Terrible gnawing feeling of.

Terrible gnawing feeling of.

You know, like nothing's changed essentially, because nothing had change internally, it was just the external that had change. So then I had Ollie and I actually took the business over initially, which was pretty dumb, but I was pretty I was.

You know, like nothing's changed essentially, because nothing had change internally, it was just the external that had change. So then I had Ollie and I actually took the business over initially, which was pretty dumb, but I was pretty I was.

Running on a lot of adrenaline. I had a newborn, so I was.

Running on a lot of adrenaline. I had a newborn, so I was.

Like, yeah, I'm going to take off a try and I could do it all and then couldn't do it all. And that was when I decided to exit Triangle, thinking that would afford me the freedom that I'd been searching for for the.

Like, yeah, I'm going to take off a try and I could do it all and then couldn't do it all. And that was when I decided to exit Triangle, thinking that would afford me the freedom that I'd been searching for for the.

Last three years.

Last three years.

Probably really, you know, it was pretty early on in Triangle that I realized I wasn't enjoying it. And that didn't happen when I exited Triangle, and so I sat with that for another three or four months of going, well, freedom will just turn up at the door. I will magically wake up one day and feel good. And I got worse after that, so, you know, as much without having Craig, without having the business, without having those things that I depended on, even though I wasn't happy, I had nothing but my thoughts, like nothing but the chaotic, you know, daily just my lot, which was nothing. I didn't do anything. I woke up, we had nanny's, they took the kids. I don't even I can't even. I don't even know what I did for three or four months. I don't actually remember.

Probably really, you know, it was pretty early on in Triangle that I realized I wasn't enjoying it. And that didn't happen when I exited Triangle, and so I sat with that for another three or four months of going, well, freedom will just turn up at the door. I will magically wake up one day and feel good. And I got worse after that, so, you know, as much without having Craig, without having the business, without having those things that I depended on, even though I wasn't happy, I had nothing but my thoughts, like nothing but the chaotic, you know, daily just my lot, which was nothing. I didn't do anything. I woke up, we had nanny's, they took the kids. I don't even I can't even. I don't even know what I did for three or four months. I don't actually remember.