Strap yourselves in for this one! David is back on the pod! In this episode I take David to LA true crime locations and I don’t tell him anything about them until he tunes in and tells us what we feels and senses. Not to give anything away… but the Lana Turner murder house will blow your mind!
This was recorded chronologically in the order in which you hear it. All locations and details listed below.
If you love this ep then there’s more where this came from, this is our second true crime pod. The first one we recorded in the East parts of LA and this episode is all based around the West neighbourhoods of LA. To check out the first true crime ep look up episode #234 and you can listen to it here too:
Before we get stuck into this episode I’d like to place a trigger warning here that we do discuss these true crimes, so we do talk about murder, motive and death in this episode.
Righto, back to today’s ep. Here’s the locations in order of us visiting them today.
So there you have it, that’s our true crime West side of LA episode with the beautiful David the medium guiding us and sharing his insights.
Hope you love this episode, it’s aways so much fun hanging out with David! He’s also doing more live shows in Australia so make sure you follow him on insta and check out his website as he releases details!
https://www.davidthemedium.com
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Lola
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I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Welcome back to the podcast for the millionth time. I think you're the most returned podcast. Guess you and Matt that's.
A bloody honor. David the Medium, Hello, Lola Berry. So good to be joining you this morning. Thank you for having me.
Back in Los Angeles, in the.
City of Angels. We are Los Angeles.
We sure are.
So We've just had a beautiful breaking in Brentwood. Can't go past the Breadwoods? Yeah no, no, you suit Brentwood. Can I say if I ever moved to La if slush, when I will become a Brentwood local lest I can feel and I'll be hanging with I'll be coming to visit you. Thanks, We'll be in the same house.
Yep, I'm aha, what one or the other? My friends? Okay, so we're in Brentwood, We've just had a beautiful, beautiful brecky at farm Shop to anyone listening, definitely go there for a yummy brecky or lunch or dinner. And we're going to stay in Brentwood, David, I have two Brentwood locations for you today where interesting deaths have occurred, murders. One's a murder, one's well, we don't one we don't know.
Well you know, well I know, but that's part of the Yeah, that's why.
Then we're going to do two locations in Beverly Hills. Oh terrible, I know, that's just going to be absolutely get over. And then we're going to do we're going to end on Santa Monica Beach.
So last time, remember were very East.
We did a lot of Hollywood Glendale, lost few fellers, you know, Hollywood Hills kind of vibes. This time we're staying super west.
Just so we're going to the exclusive parts of Los Angeles.
I was going to say little the very wealthy areas today.
To have motor sid in there. It's interesting because these areas are very wealthy, they're very safe, they're very peaceful, very green, beautiful home. So this is intriguing I'm excited.
I feel like as well because you and I have done quite a few pods together. It just feels so natural. This will just feel like catching up all day as well.
We're just mates on a road trip.
So to the listener, enjoy yourself. There's some pretty big iconic names that that will be seeing today.
Really.
Yeah, I know you're a pop culture king, so I feel like you'll I feel like you'll know some of them. But yeah, the premise of this is David knows nothing and I just essentially take you to a location, although you're driving today, but we get you to a location, you know, our thing. We get out and we get as close to the location as we can that is obviously safe and legally respectful, and then you tell me what you feel, and then I essentially go, this is the this is what happens.
Yeah. So yeah, tuning in from a psychic medium perspective to be able to feel the energy and see how we can interpret and translate what's been shown.
And how do you feel today? Like just you do you feel good today?
Do you feel good? Yeah? I mean breakfast was amazing and it's always good to be back home in Los Angeles.
So I'm ready. I feel great. Nice to have your friend.
Thank you, lovely to be with you.
All right, gang tune in. Here we go five locations and David the medium is going to just tell us what you feel.
It's done. I'm about to turn on the car. We're going to get on the road right now. Can't wait, David, She's banged it out of the park to start with. Take me. You've taken me to a ten out of ten location here, Laura.
So we are sitting in your beautiful car out the front of am I allowed to say now because you figured it jump into a lola where Marilyn Monroe died. So as soon as you google Marilyn Monroe, this comes up as you when it comes up as the death House. The death house, yeah, because she actually only lived here for six months before she passed away.
It's a lovely spot, so only she went off on top.
So you didn't know this when we pulled up. I do like to surprise you.
Yes, and I like that. So it was really interesting because it's so funny because I feel like I'm a tourist, heyre, because I just wanted to sort of go around and see everything with it. I was like, no, no, Dave, this is why we're doing this, because it's a true crime podcast. To tune in this David at the medium, really interesting, when I rocked up to this house, I felt pregnant, like I and I didn't assume that, you know, a baby had been cut out of the womb or anything like as well that I actually felt really sort of solid across my stomach. So when I feel that, it usually indicates that the woman is pregnant.
Wow.
So I'm just going to say it right off the bat. Let's just say I think Marilyn Monroe was maybe even pregnant when she died. There was rumors of affairs obviously with JFK and everything that was going on there. Maybe she was pregnant. I've always believed personally that Marilyn Monroe did not overdose.
Yeah, you've said that.
Yeah, I think it's likely that she was sort of taking advantage of in a lot of ways, like Michael Jackson at the same time, and maybe she unfortunately had something that was a bit too much for her system.
So it's ruled as a barbituate, which was in the day, so that'd be like nineteen sixty two. That's the same way Judy galand went like it was a very common way. Barbituate's now not a thing, are they. That's like the drug of the I think, the sleeping drug of the time, I think. But it was a barbituate overdose. And she was thirty six, so that's two whole years younger than me. But here's the interesting thing. There's been a huge battle to save this house. They wanted to demolish it, and people were coming and stealing brick, jumping the fence and stealing bricks really because they wanted a brick from Marilyn Monroe's house. And in the time that we've sat here, I think three cars have gone past it.
And we haven't been here that long. In cars have already driven past and just looked at it.
And apparently fans still leave flowers at the front door.
Really, yeah, we're rocked up without a gift.
I feel like we should no, I know, but yeah, so it's it's literally so this is a four bedroom Spanish colonial style house, my favorite of the Los Angeles style. And she moved in and six months later it was a drug overdose in her bedroom. And even though they said like her time here was short, this is like one of the monuments of Brentwood. Like this is like not monuments, but this is where a lot of people come to visit.
Yeah.
But yeah, so people wanted to demolish it and it didn't go ahead. So it's very much he's a photo of the inside of it near the pool. Beautiful and this is the police officer on the day that she was found dead.
Wow. Wild, very fascinating spot. And I'm glad that they haven't demolished it, not only because it's a piece of American history, but it's also just a beautiful little house and it's in such a nice quiet area, Like why would you demolish it?
Apparently it's worth eight point three five million. I know you love a little bit of real estate.
That gets the blood flowing.
All It's very fascinating.
But it's interesting what you said about like that it felt you felt like that pregnancy feeling because she was thirty six, Like that's a time when a lot of Hollywood starlets would kind of they famously waited till about that time if they were going to have a kid, because obviously your career would completely halt for about three years. My instant reaction was that she didn't liberately try and feel pregnant. But I actually think she may have been pregnant when she crossed over. That's yeah. I know there's no way of confirming that. I'm sure those that know know the truth, but I would suggest that Marilyn Monroe was actually pregnant when she crossed over. And I think her death, and I've always felt this, like I said, but I don't think her death was necessarily an accidental drug overdose. I think there could have been a bit of not murder necessarily, but a bit of foul play involved. Or how do you feel how does the energy feel like now here today? That's actually very peaceful, Like even when up the coldest sack and we were sort of even standing right at the front of the property, it didn't feel murdery.
No, it doesn't feel I did say on the way here, I was like, this first one isn't super murdery. But last year we went very hard on there.
We went to the Manson House, one of the man Yeah.
The Lost Phelis Murder Mansion.
The Lost Phelis Murder Mansion. I was in that area the other day. Actually, I did want to pop past and say hello.
Well so, and I'm glad that you mentioned that because I do want to make quick mention and honorable mention of a place we aren't going to go today, but it is such a fascinating murder. It's called the Black Dahlia murder, and it happened in I think the fifties or sixties, but it was at a famous director's house also in Los Feelers. We're not going this day, so I feel like I can share this with you, but I'm so glad you mentioned it. And what they it was a young starlet who was here to make it in Hollywood. I believe her name's Elizabeth. And what the murderer did was he chopped her in half like a guillotine and drained all of her blood and then cut up pieces of her body and put them around a park like a sculpture. But there was no blood because he drained the blood, and so people when the body parts were found, they thought it was a manequin I'm not saying that right word right or mannequin American?
Yeah, why so satanic.
But here's the theory that people have most of the murders in Los Angeles, and I'm interested to chat to you about this because I know you've spent a bit of time in West Hollywood. Happen more Holywood Way, Hollywood Hills, Like we spent a lot of time in Glendale Hollywood Hills last time Lost Fearless, that kind of East Hollywood kind of space. Now today we're staying more west and this is our first location in Brentwood. Technically on paper, not as murdery as the other ones we've been to, or's gruesome, but still a pretty a huge figure. And our next location, David, is also in Brentwood, So isn't that interesting? And when we go to the next location, famously, someone famously said nothing bad happens in Brentwood.
Well they jinxed themselves by saying that happened did that?
But my point is like it's going to be really interesting because I know you have a take on different parts of LA can feel darker than others.
Very much. So. When I was in LA in February twenty twenty three, I spent nearly the whole month there and I was in West Hollywood the whole time. And I've never spent more than really a few days in West Hollywood. And to be able to spend a few weeks there. It is a very heavy, dark place.
Did it feel like that coming back this time too?
I went through absolutely. I didn't even really want to drive through the area. It's been very fair and you're driving past my old airbnb. I just it was really heavy and dark, really, And there's definitely areas of Los Angeles where I think, I mean, it is a religious town in some ways as well. There's definitely other belief systems of what people do here. So it doesn't surprise me that the power base and the old center of entertainment and industry is really quite a dark area. There's a lot of undercurrents and themes I think that people could really unpack there. Yeah, yeah, but then to be I mean, Brentwood is probably my favorite neighborhood in the whole city. And right now I'm staying near the water in Santa Monica, Like it's a completely different vibe.
A lot of Australian find themselves in Santa Monica because they need that ocean to potentially maybe I don't know, if it's yeah, neutralize the energy of the heavier areas. But yeah, I don't love I don't like to spend too much IM in Hollywood unless I'm there for something like a taping. I love going to Kimmel taping and stuff. I don't like it. Sometimes, even driving up muhull And Drive and the hills, you can get the hebgbis.
You can get that feeling.
I mean spoken like definitely not a medium or psychick, but I get the hebgb's when I'm sometimes in one hundred percent.
Got a very strong intuition and gud feeling. So yeah, the hills are a very interesting energy in Los Angeles. I mean the most beautiful properties, obviously stunning views, but it is really quite heavy dark. I'll go as far as to say dark. No, let's drop that word.
Let's do it dark. Are you ready for the next Bretwood location?
I could not be more ready. Right, Oh, the location taking me to another banger here, Lola, I'm.
Actually really excited to hear what you have to say about this location. Do you want to say where we are?
So we are at the house where Nicole Simpson Brown and Ron Goldman were murdered allegedly by O. J. Simpson.
Yeah, and they really tried to put us off the scent, didn't they. Because the wrong number is on like you've got to actually figure the house out.
Your say, yeah, they really don't want people knowing that that's the house because they've taken all the official numbers off and they've handwritten the wrong number on the house. Yeah, but you know we're smart, Lola. Yeah, we figured it. We figured it. We figured that was the house that it had to be because either house, thanks to all has the right numbers.
So it obviously happened in nineteen ninety four while ago, and didn't the trial go for Yonks.
Well, I don't know really how long the actual trial went for, but I you know, we all understand that O. J. Simpson in the criminal trial was found not guilty, which I think everyone was very so prize by giving the evidence. He was later found guilty in a civil trial for the murders of Nicole, but civil obviously doesn't come across with criminal ramifications or legal ramifications. It's more of like I think you can then be sued.
Or things like oh, really, so is he what's OJ's where is he now?
Well? O J. I don't know whether he's actually in prison, but he got done for something completely different and that's how he got He was never put in prison or officially had a criminal record for the murders of Nicole.
Oh my goodness. Okay, well give me, give me your best. What do you feel? What do you believe there was.
No doubt that he murdered them. Yeah, and I think everyone in general has come to that conclusion already. The house itself, it kind of looked like a bit of a horror mansion, like it's very overgrown from the front. In true David the medium for I did put my camera up to the wall to try and film inside, and it was quite overgrown. You know that video can come out on Instagram when the podcast is released.
I got a little bts of you two of you doing that. It is fascinating. So my memory of this time is like him in a police chase in a Bronco and yeah, that's why every time you see a Bronco and old Bronco you're like O J. Simpson drug O J. Simpson ca. Yeah.
And then another.
Incredible weird pop culture thing that I think you'll love about this because you're I know you are. Just you even read using pop culture, don't you? Sometimes pop culture references come to you. So basically, Kurt Russell Kurt Russell.
The same birthday as Kurt Russell.
No, you don't, he's so handsome. Anyway, they lived they also lived in Brentwood, hum and Goldie Horn right, and everyone at the time was watching this police chase like live on TV. And then there was police stuff out the front, like there were police out the front of either his where he was living at the time, which was I think Rockdale Mansion, So that was only like two miles away anyway, And apparently Goldie Horn tells this No, Kate Hudson, his stepdaughter, tells this story that Kurt Russell was watching it all live on TV and he's like, that's OJ's house and he runs and it was only two blocks away and he runs to OJ's house and he's like, she was like, we were watching the live footage and you see Kurt shaking hands with the police having a little chat kind of get the.
Tea they would have given. Yeah, so funny. So I thought you'd like that little pop culture reference.
So you were saying to me about the So you were saying that OJ went to murder Nicole without knowing necessarily that there was like another person there. Zach correct.
Yeah, So amongst the friendship groups that were friends with Nicole Brown Simpson and OJ's Simpson. Now understandably they'd separated. Now, there is a lady that I have met in Los Angeles. I won't mention her by name, of course, but she was friends with both of them. She's a bit of an LA social and she goes back decades in LA and she actually had dinner with Nicole Simpson weeks before she died. And she also her and her husband did catch up with OJ before everything happened, and she was saying OJ was obsessed, like all he did was talk about Nicole, talked about wanting to get revenge, talked about wanting all everything to change, essentially. And I think this has been proven even in the civil trial, maybe even the criminal trial, that he was essentially sort of stalking the Coal before her passing, that he even used to rock up to this house and really kind of just stand at the front, or you know, kind of even get up the back and try and see into the house. And the nights of Nicole's murder, Ron Goldman wasn't meant to be there. So whoever murdered Coal and we all understand that it was Oj. Ron Goldman was unfortunately just a bit of a collateral damage because he wasn't meant to be there. So he and the Cole were on the sort of acquaintances. I hadn't really known each other too long. There was rumors that wrong Goldman was actually gay and that he was also a drug dealer. Ah, and he may have been supplying the Coole with some party favors you will, wow. So unfortunately for Ron, he was just really in the wrong place at the wrong time. So when OJ went in to get Nicole, Ron was already there.
And you think O J planned me it and Cole that night.
Really, because Yeah, he had been talking for a long time, apparently says talking about it constantly, like he had gone there to probably interact with her in some ways. But maybe there could have been an outlet of jealousy when he thought Ron was there. Maybe he thought Nicole and Ron were having some fun, a jealousy thing.
Because it was all done in the bedroom. It all occurred in the bedroom. I'm pretty sure the murder, Okay, yeah, but Oj, what was the thing I remember you knowing about this?
The glove? There was like a missing glove that was like a key piece of evidence. So it must have been the glove that he because that was stabbed. Yeah, yeah, so it must have been the glove that he was wearing at the time. It is a very interesting story, and this is where we involve a very very famous family of Los Angeles. It's the glove. This is where I actually don't know too much about the actual lead up to it, but the glove went missing or they lost the huge piece of the events here as well. Now there is footage of a very well known man called it Roberts Kardashian senior, Kim Kardashian's father, Yeah, who for all those who don't know, he was a criminal defense lawyer. Now he acted on behalf of OJ. So that's where Robert Kardashian's profile, I mean, he was big in Los Angeles in the eighties of the nineties already, him and Christianna, I mean they were very well known anyway. Yeah, but you know, the Kardashian's profile obviously built up extra you know, a big yeah thing to be representing OJ. There was footage of Robert Kardashian going onto a plane holding a suitcase, and then all these things disappear because they have the footage of him without it, and the unproven, unsubstantiated theory that everyone seems to understand as fact that Robert Kardashian disposed of or hid the very very strong piece of evidence against SoJ.
So I watched a documentary on this whole saga, or maybe it was actually the Ryan Murphy version of it, like a dramatized version, and there's a funny line where the actress that's playing Chris Kardashian said, Oh, but this is Brentwood.
Nothing bad ever happens in Brentwood.
And that was the night of the like when she'd got the call about Nicole, And I think in the show Chris was teamed Nicole. There was like a separation in the fan.
So the Kardashians were very close with OJ and Nicole when they were in a couple, and Chris was very close with Nicole, and Robert was very close with OJ. Yeah, so Chris and Robert I think it maybe separated as well. I don't know what was sort of going on there. Maybe they might have still been in I think she might have actually been with Bruce by that by that stage, yeah, ninety four year So it did cause a lot of splits within the family even I mean, I know Kim in some ways have talked about this very publicly. I think she's touched on it in the TV show. But yeah, Mum was pro Nicole and dad was proj and yeah, everything going on there. And obviously I mean this split Los Angeles down the middle, the whole society of Los Angeles, these people. Yeah, so yeah, it was a very interesting thing. But essentially the fact is how I used the words fact loosely there, because you know, we don't want to get sued here at aha fearlessly failing podcast, Kim Kardashian's father essentially protected OJ by hiding very, very crucial evidence that would have tied him into murdering the colebra. How fascinating.
So I did a little bit of googling. Simpson has been residing in a gated community in Las Vegas following an early parole discharge in December twenty twenty two for crime after he was convicted of an armed robbery in the city. So you were correct. He was placed on parole in twenty seventeen after serving nine years at Nevada's love Stock Correctional Center.
Yeah, lovelocks, there's a lot around that as well, because there was always the theory that the crime OJ was convicted of, no one would get convicted like he did in terms of the severity, So they reckon that was always the police's payback because it's like, well, you got away with the murder of Nicole bra so now you're going to go to jail for a very long time for doing like armer robbery. Yeah.
So he's he is seventy six years old today today. Yeah, well not today, but like as in now he's seventy how lucky his birthday. And he was an NFL legend, like back in the day, day before all this murderroo.
Yeah, the eighties and the nineties O J. Simpson. And he was an actor as well. Yeah, he was in a great movie called Taran Inferno.
Well apparently months ago, Tarring Ferno, great movie.
But I.
Undergoing treatment for prostate cancer, Denis rumors of hospital care, okay, hospicecare. Okay, wow, So fascinating.
Very cool spot.
All right, we're about to get a little darker. We're going to a very interesting murder site that has been fun to deep dough. Not fun, but you know, interesting, fascinating word.
Fun so I think Lola's got a bit of a dark sign.
Everybody, all right, So we are heading now to the infamous Beverly Hills.
A very trashy, dark ghetto, if one will Hills. Beverly Hills is a terrible neighborhood. There is a very good looking topless man that just jogged past us.
Oh I missed, well, I'm seeing the behind. Oh yeah, nice, nice.
Welcome to Brentwood. Yeah all right, well let's go to one of the most dangerous places in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills.
For those listening that have never been to Beverly Hills, it is not a getta.
It is probably one of the nicest places on the place.
It's super well, it's got do you know, it's got its own police protection separate like Brentwood has one.
To all the rich, all the all the neighborhoods in West Los Angeles, they all have their own police forces and private security. Yeah, fascinating. Beverly Hills is a lovely neighbor.
I believe I saw you were having a little bit of lunch at Beverly Hills Hotel just.
Yesterday when in Rome. Yeah, yes, so the Beverly Hills hotel is a lovely, historical, famous life. I always think of the palms, those beautiful palms. Oh, it's a beautiful hotel, and the Polo Lounge is very well known for celebrity spotting. Now, unfortunately I didn't see anyone.
But you have to see Lana del Ray one day. I feel like it's your hero. I have Oh my god, I'd love to see Lana Delray. But Elon Musk goes to the Beverly Hills Hotel. He's been spotted there. My good friend Molly has seen Elon Musk, whoa doctor Phil is of course Dr Phil so.
Lovely nepe Beverley Hills. Obviously, I'm being very silly when I say it's to get because I just thought.
To the listeners, like people that have never been here, I'm like, don't be afraid of Beverly Hills.
It's beautiful. Yes, you don't have to worry. It is probably one of the nicest places on the planet.
Yeah true, All right, let's do it.
Let's drive for Beverly Hills.
Okay, David, I have brought you to the place I'm probably most excited to talk to you about. And I shouldn't say murder and excitement in the same sentence. But you know what I mean. You're excited by murder, that's what you mean.
No, I get what you mean. You've done a lot of research on this, Solola, and I know that you're so to share with me where we are.
So tell we as we were parking what you just said.
So, this location is in Beverly Hills on Bedford Drive, which is a very iconic streets in Beverly Hills because it has those really tall palm trees and it's beautiful homes and everything. This house that we are currently parked right out the front of, it's like colonial vibes a right, It's beautiful American colonial, stunning. Yeah. I was only here yet less than twenty four hours ago, a few houses down, taking my iconic Beverly Hills, La California pictures. And now I'm here less than twenty four hours later, basically parked in really the same position for you to tell me a murder. This is why the places in Beverly Hills as well. We came to this streets less than twenty four hours ago, and now I'm sitting there.
Okay, Well, that's got to be a sign that's got to be a good sign. I'm taking that as a rip a sign.
But the universe is like bro Lawla's got something very very cool and everything's lining.
So a murder dig take place here in this beautiful colonial style house, wonderful in nineteen fifty eight.
Oh wow, it doesn't look that old. I guess it does.
Actually, I get yeah, no, you're right, it does fit like it does. Like you can totally google this house after and it's actually if you ever are in La and want to see a murder place, it's really good because you can get up really close, you can go knock on the door, and there's literal books that have been written about what went down here.
Really, there's a lot of stabbing. Is that what you say? Is that what you're feeling? Well, I just feel I mean it's obviously we're doing a true crime murder podcast obviously, but there's a lot of blood. There's a lot of just yeah, right, right, yeah, that's nights. I can feel it. I can sort of sense and feel like a lot of stabbing. It's not like one stab there's like dozens.
Like oh okay, okay, you are going to flip. Okay, So first of all, this was the residence of a famous Hollywood starlet called Lana Turner. I know. So that was another reason why I thought you would love this for you because I don't know how much is that anyway, So in the like forties and fifties, she was.
The girl of Hollywood.
She was in movies like Madam X, which is Brew Sheba. So we wouldn't won't know these because we weren't even close to being born at this stage.
Were young guns.
We are young guns, we are. But in her time, she was one of the highest paid female actors.
Of her time in the forties.
Yeah, forties and fifties, and I think some of the from what I read, she was getting paid like in the day, like something like fifty million or something crazy, which now would be close to like eighty or ninety million, So she'd be like a scarlet Johansson vibe on the payroll.
Vibe even old Julia Roberts.
Yes, okay, So she was day eating.
This mobster good, my kind of girl.
His name is Johnny Stompanto, and he was the bodyguard for Micky Cohen, who was an iconic big like no like mobster like King of the Mobsters. Of that era in time, so he was the bodyguard of him. They had been like on and off dating for quite a while. Now at this stage, Lana Turner has a fourteen year old daughter and really she's really close with her mum that she called that, the daughter obviously calls gran. And on this night, April fourth, nineteen fifty eight, she's tried to end it with the mobster guy Johnny April four.
By the way, that's today, No, it is, we are here.
So what's so nineteen fifty eight to today?
We are here?
How many years later? Doing this pod much for me?
Mate? Sixty? No? Wow?
So sixty I had no idea that that was the date.
Today is the anniversary of her murder. Today, So I hear if you say Lana turned her into the mirror three times she appears ying my.
Just on my face like that. So here's the twist. She didn't die sixty six years ago. By the way, sixty six isn't like six and six sixty six six the devil number. Okay, So here's here's here's the story.
You just dropped a big bomb there and I just heard it again in my head. So she didn't die. She did not die. Okay.
So she tried to end it with Johnny, this big mobster guy or the bodyguard to Mickey kahent never going to win well, and he's like, fuck it. He literally said I am going to dismember you, your mom and your daughter, like that's happening now. And he said, I'm going to chop you off. I'm gonna do all these things. Meanwhile, the daughter is upstairs in her bedroom hearing this fighting going on. She's fourteen years old. She's studying for like her midterms, and so she's like, oh, shit's going down. So the daughter runs down to the kitchen and so the fight started downstairs and then they moved upstairs to the far left. Let me check its far left or far right. I've got it written here.
Yeah.
So she's studying in her bedroom for a term paper. Okay. So the far left bedroom is where the mum's bedroom was, So the daughter is in one of the other bedrooms up the top. They started fighting downstairs while the daughter was upstairs in her own bedroom, and then the fight moved to the mum's bedroom. So the daughter runs downstairs to the kitchen grabs a knife. The daughter, the fourteen year old okay, And then the fighting is going on still in the mum's bedroom far left, and the daughter's like, well, fuck it, I've got a knife.
Her name's Cheryl, the daughter. She's got a knife.
She's like, maybe I can scare him, you know, like when you think you can stick up. The mum opens the bedroom door, this mobster Johnny goes for her like, swipes at the mum.
Mom gets out of the way.
The daughter is standing there with a knife and he essentially like lands on her knife and dies minutes later.
Good. So I think she must have got him in the heart. She must have definitely hit an artery.
She's written a book. The daughter has written a book about this. Cheryl a fourteen year old. So she it got They called it justifiable homicide. So she got no no murder charge, no nothing. Yeah, But isn't it fascinating that he was like going, I'm gonna I'm gonna chop you all up. I'm gonna shop chop the your mom up, I'm going to chop your daughter up. And it was the fourteen year old daughter this day, sixty six years ago, that as the door opened, he went to strike the mum and ended up like the daughters with the fucking kitchen knife was right there.
Wild. My instant reaction is that the daughter. I think they've claimed defensive homicide. I think the daughter deliberately stabbed him.
Yeah, well this is apparently they've been fighting for months, like on and off again, so the daughter's seen him like threaten her, probably more than one.
It's still defensive homicide in that sense. But I don't think he landed on the knighte. I think she put the knife in him. Yeah.
Well, this is of course again what's come out in there. How fascinating And like you said, she probably he's a big guy. She's a fourteen year old girl. Yeah, she's gonna have to really go for it. And apparently he looks her in the eyes and says, look.
What you've done. So he even blamed her when she yeh, when she killed him, honey man, And you don't think of fourteen year old has been called ryl. Just on a side note, well this happened in the fifties. Yeah, but that's the thing. You just assume al Cheryls were born at sixty five years old.
So far so it all happened there. David far left side.
For everyone listening at home. We are looking at this house. I could walk up to that window in like twenty seconds. Yeah, yeah, far left, Yeah, second level. All the bedrooms are on the second level. Yeah.
My question to you is, how would you feel if you lived here? Like, would you ever go into a house where something or live in a house where something like this has gone down? I'd want a pretty hefty discount if I'm honest. Yeah, well, you could probably swing it with the real estate agent. But I think the everything does leaving energy in print.
You said that last time. Yeah, so even though this happened sixty six years ago, the energy of it is still there. But I don't doubt at the same time that they've also worked on energetically clearing, like you know Sage or Polo Santa or even sort of more ritualistic sort of exercises that can really clear energy. For me personally, I wouldn't really have an issue living there bother you, but it would probably psych me out because my mind would constantly think of it. But the energy itself wouldn't be harmful. But if everyone's like, hey, Dave, do you want to live in Bedford driving Beverly Hills, I'd be like, there could be a murder last week and I'd still probably live in the house in Beverly.
Hey, you're right, multiple stab wounds, yes, stabbed to death, yeah she did.
Yeah, there we go. So there you go, ladies and gentlemen. I did not know that, but yeah, just my instant reaction was looking at that bedroom, looking at that house. Cheryl went him. Yeah, but it's still defensive homicide because she can definitely claim that her life was at risk and the life of others was being severely threatened by the sounds of it. Anyway.
So so here's the thing her mum, Lana Turner, had said that day to Cheryl Crane. She was like, I'm ending it tonight and so the door, Yeah, she knew.
I think there's a big undercurrent here as well.
I think when he came over later that day, a verbal fight ensued, and by the time the police arrived, the lifeless body of Johnny Stempanto lay on the floor in a pool of.
His own blood. I'm actually going to go as far to say I think Lana was probably holding the knife at one point.
You reckon it says it happened with a butcher's knife.
Yeah, and maybe because of her career, they can't be like Lana, and the.
Kid was underage, so they're going to get off. Yeah, I think, because it says the underrage. Cheryl Crane admitted to the stabbing and was tried and found innocent with justifiable homicide, but doubts have lingered over what exactly happened that evening at Lana Turner's home.
The more that I'm energetically tuning into it, I've even my whole viewpoint of it is evolving. At the same time, the more I sort of connect with it, I still think Cheryl old made Cheryl was involved in some ways, but yeah, wouldn't surprise me if Lana maybe had the first stab. Yeah. Well, I mean, and because of her career or because of who she is, they can't be like her.
Yeah, well that makes sense. And because the kid's so young, it's a good cover up.
Yeah, it's a good cover up. She's protecting their mother. She's obviously not going to get charges adult, even if there was charges of not having defensive lives. So anyway, well that's a location. Yeah, it's very fascinating.
Isn't it.
Let's go knock on the door and see there's.
A third chirp and on the little balcony there, So you wouldn't have a problem. Do you believe that, like in a scenario like this, could energy stay in the house.
It would be very heavy in there, I imagine as well, especially because the relationship ended so tumultuously, and obviously would have been quite tumultuous before that as well. So everything, as we said, leaves and energetic imprints, our emotions, our feelings get soaked into the environments, positive and negative. So but I also think sixty six years later there's been other families in there, their own drama would be in there. Oh wow, No, so it would be a bit of a build up, But I also doubt. I mean, this is Los Angeles, after all, they'd be sage and they'd be energetic clearings up constantly. Beverly Hills as a neighborhood as a very centered, peaceful vibe to it.
Yeah, you can feel it like we're looking at a beautiful palm line street across there. You've got like the yeah, it looks stunning. This tesla is every second place you go.
I mean it is a very visually stunning neighborhood as well, and very wealthy, but it's just also got a very calm energy to it.
Yeah.
West Hollywood is very yeah, and that's it's very green and West Hollywood is very wealthy and safe, but it's also very very dark.
Ye, not calm, No, not at all halmness. It's like some places we were checking out and these you remember you visited me when I lived in Los feelers, although there's like some darker energy stuff from the fifties and sixties and seventies. Murder wise, it feels very creative there.
Lost feelings for me. Really, like a lot of Los Angeles has have a very dark undercurrent to it. It does to you. To me, I was a bit on edge in line, but it is a very.
We went to quite an iconic murder house as well, the Haunted one. Yeah, with hello, it is like the Haunted one, and you jumped. You didn't jump, but you were like you went over the fence and took videos. Remember, like right you were leaning over.
The top of the hill. Yeah, those were the days.
Now are you ready for another Beverly Hills location?
Wait, let's go Rightio, I feel like we're at location four now we are. We're still in Beverly Hills. Yes, you've taken me to another iconic spot.
Well you knew it was iconic. I did not.
So where are we? We're at the Greystone Mansion or Greystone manor yeah you will.
Built in nineteen twenty eight, so it was built for his son Edward Ned Dohenny Junior or Doheny would that be linked to the street with the same name and his young family. On February sixteenth, nineteen twenty nine, Ned and his close friend and sometimes a sometimes assistant, Hugh Plunket, were found dead in a guest bedroom of the mansion.
I already know what's going on there. What do you reckon? Guy? Lovers?
Do you reckon? It's the theory is the question is was it a suicide packed or murder?
Suicide?
Two murders or was it at least one debt? Was one of the deaths accidental? Nobody knows. The investigation was murky from the start. There were motives galore these This Dohani family had been tainted by political corruption and scandals in the twenties. There was also innuendo that the two men were the lovers.
Really, yeah, here we go, both all right? They I think they were undercover lovers, and I think someone's murdered them both. I actually think there's a third party involve dear. Oh really, yeah, I don't think I was a murder of suicide or an accidental death. I think someone's actually killed them both.
From like just because of how famous the family was, or like a jealous person.
Probably because of how famous the family was, but it could also be the image. Maybe they don't want to gay son in the nineteen twenties. Oh wow, especially the family's well known. Oh my goodness, I'm not you know, the family ordered to hit on them, but I think something it's definitely going on there. But as we were talking, I was imagining that TV show, the assassination of Yeah, beautiful show, all sad but beautiful. You're a really intermurdered stay on you, beautiful show, beautiful show.
Well, No, I love I followed one of the actors on there for ages, and also like as far as followed his work and he came and taught at my school. But also I love Ryan Murphy's stuff, and his stuff is always dark.
Yeah true, I didn't know that. I'm and green, Yeah, but you would know. He does American horror stories.
Director creator, and he did the oj Simpson Diaries show as well, So I think he just loves Hollywood horror on trend.
Yeah, so yeah, you've I'm picturing that. It's the element of gay jealousy essentially. So I think the The Sun and Old Mates Hue was yeah huge. I think they were enrolld romantically and I think someone's killed them for it.
That's so sad tragic. Yeah, And it says here. Now it's owned by the city of Beverly Hills and it's often rented as a film location, as the Greystone Mansion has symbolized Los Angeles wealth in an endless roster of movie classics like The Big Lebowlski Lebowski, And there's a shot of it being used in The Big Lebowski there just showing David a photo here, that's the pool. That's from one side of the pool, is it? He's like, No, they're filmed selling sunset there have they? Then?
Oh? Here?
So maybe that that but says that they feel to it. All right, I got my facts wrong.
It would have been maybe the same I was gonna say the same architect, but it wouldn't. So the architect of that other picture do you know about him. He's the famous architect.
Is he the artist one that's got heaps of different properties here?
Yeah? I think so.
Yeah, and they almost feel a bit like Egyptians, Like the art feels kind of like a lot of like sand brickwork. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen, I know who you're talking about. Okay, we've definitely digressed. But so this was ned Doheeney and who plunk it? And they were both murdered together or suicide beds sounding like murder.
Yeah, there's no suicide energy involved in this.
What what does it feel like? What can you explain the difference in the energy and what it feels like suicide?
It's just a bit sort of heavier and a bit sort of more sad, Yeah, whereas this actually feels darker, sort of deliberate. Oh wow when we're talking about it.
Wow, soaking of dark. We're going to end on one of the darkest murder stories ever. We're about to head to the beach in Santa Monica. Wowa Davids getting like, where are you taking.
This murders on the beach? Well, it was.
A moving murder location, but the beach is where people were picked off. Wow, let's go okay, strap in Okay, David, we're in a notorious like hot spot. We're in, Like you don't you don't think murder when you think Santa Monica appears?
Do you think Twain? Usually? Why do you think that sung on the Santa Monica Cry one of them?
Matt keeps seeing this Santa Monica song by Savage Garden and he says it like everyone should know it.
I was like, I didn't know. None of us know it, none of us.
So the this is of all the murders today that we have been on, they've kind of been one single incident. Yes, we are talking serial killer here.
This is heavy.
Can you feel that?
Yeah? I mean, as you mentioned, when you think of Santa Monica, you don't think of murder because it's a very beautiful beachside location, very scenic, very clean, a bit of a homeless issue, but that's la for you. But you don't think serial killers on the boardwalk.
In the seventies there were two guys and together they were called the Toolbox Killers.
Oh I go creepy, No, that already sets me on edge.
So basically, these two guys met in prison, so they've been to prison for other reasons, not murder, like theft and stuff like that. Right, Yeah, they meet in prison and they figure out they've both got a bit of a fetish for I think, raping women and later down the track murdering them.
So they teamed up. Yeah, that conversation.
Ah, so here's the thing, like it's really messed up, super dark, and they wanted teenage. I remember when I read about this, I was so scared and then I was like, oh, you've aged out, Lola, don't worry because it was they It was teenagers from the ages of thirteen to nineteen. They had to have a teenager of every year every year, like as in a thirteen year old, of fourteen year old, fifteen year old, sixteen year old wild So they would where we are parked right now. They would accost girls on the Santa Monica Boulevard and Venice Boulevard as well. Yes, and they had a van that they called the Murder Mac. Murder Mac was what they nicknamed their nineteen seventy seven GM cargo van. They'd bring the girls. They'd like somehow coax the girls into the van, whether it's like you need a lift, that kind of things of that nature, and then they'd kind of go out into different kind of like more mountainous areas, so more like where we went last time we did the murder pod, so more into the hills, and they would rape them then torture and murder them only using the things from their toolbox, like an ice pick, pliers. Brutal right, very dark, super super dark. The craziest thing about all this is there were two men, right, so one of them is called Roy Norris, I'm pretty sure, and the other one is Lawrence Bittaker. And Norris later kind of like got he got taken to jail for something right, for something else, and he told another inmate, hey, this is what this is what Lawrence Bitticker and I got up to. Lawrence Bitticker is still free at this stage, okay. And the the other person that he was incarcerated with got such hebgb's that he turned in Raisin, and then Norris turned on Bitteca wow and basically said, I'm a moment star, I've done all this terrible stuff. Bitteka was like, oh nah, I was only bad for three months of my life.
So they went on a killing spree for three months and then where he just went back to normal, normal living. Wow.
Right, I can tell you so much about this, But how does that make you feel like? Knowing that and being where like these poor young girls I want to say, I don't even feel like there were women yet, No, they're not.
If they're thirteen, And how does that make you feel like being in this? Like?
You know, I've heard you talk about Los Angeles having kind of a dark underbelly a bit, and I feel like this murder story is.
That. I think it really is. I'm going to say something. I think for a lot of people, maybe for every single person, the darker sort of thoughts, the darker taboos or fantasies in some ways, even by using these guys as a perfect example, is brought out by the energy of Los Angeles. Really, like, I think it's a very good healing space to really amalgamate that darker side that all humans have, because we are dark in lights. I mean, that's the thing. But obviously some are far darker and far wrong and evil than others. But I think the energy of this city, it really can bring that to the surface, either to heal and clear or to completely other direction and actually act on it, or to incorporate it as part of your dominant traits or whatever it may be.
It's like you and I were saying, we were talking about la As totally not linked to matter at all, just like the energy of la And I was like, I always say that it's like a brutal, beautiful beast, and you said, well, yeah, it has to be brutal to weed out people that.
Can't really hack it or I'm meant to be here.
Yeah, I'm meant to be here. And it's interesting to hear you now talk about that in a much darker sense, which is like the energy can either activate already existing darkness within you.
Well, I think with everyone that brings it to the surface regults of what it is. Yeah, whether it's personal, the ways that you react around other people. Yeah, yeah, it's a very interesting vibe. But yeah, la As we were talking about privately before, it is a city that is designed to break you were designed to weed out those that maybe are a bit of a loss soul. And you know, I know we've talked about this before and I think we even talked about on the other podcast we did together, But it is the city of lost souls in a lot of ways, because people come to La especially in entertainment industry, they wanted to make it, They wanted to create. Like, there's a lot of people that maybe don't also have purpose that come here is a city where you need to have a purpose. You have to. Yeah, if you come here and you don't have the purpose, it will show you up, spit you out, and send you home. Yeah.
Yeah, And so many actors have warned me about that. They're like, come here, clear, like come here ready, because you do have to sit in a bit of fire to get to where.
You want to go.
I don't think anyone gets skip that face. You were in the fire last time, you were in Los.
Angeles, very in the fire. And I made the mistake of coming here with that purpose. Oh you said that to me and Alie know, for anyone that knows me, I do call it my second home. In a lot of ways, I feel more comfortable here than Melbourne. Yeah. And I love the vibe. I mean, I love America. I love the Americans that. Yeah, coming here in February twenty twenty three without much of a clearly defined purpose, it showed me up in some ways.
Yeah, it's so fast, it's so fascinating. One thing I wanted to share with you about one of the murderers, the one that was like the more sociopathy, one that was like, oh no, I was only bad for three months. I interviewed a crime fiction author that became penpals with him in real life, and so he was like, come visit me in San Quentin prison. And She's like, all right, this is fascinating. I write about murderers like this is going to be great. Canvass fox The episode is out there and I'll find out what episode it was. I listened to it whenever I'm missing the Aussie accent. She's just got such a good Aussie accent. Anyway, she goes in to visit him. You can't wear denim because their inmate outfit is denim, so they can't see.
You as equal. Yes, she walks into.
A glass room with like she said, imagine like a shark cage. So it had grating around a glass, like a perspex kind of glassy room. She's like, there was nothing between her and him. So she was in the room with him, and he walked in, and he walked to the back of the grates and someone undid his cuffs.
And she sat down.
He goes, are you okay, and she goes, not, really, you're a tiger, you could this is and he goes, well, this is a full contact meeting. You can touch me if you like. And she said, but what you're a rapist and a murderer, Like what if you go for me? And he said, can you see the little triangle cut out at the top where the wall meets the ceiling. He said, there's a sniper on me. He's like, so if I do anything to you, I'll be killed straight away. And she was like, oh my god. She interviewed him about his victims and she said, well, she goes, well what about Andrea? And he goes, oh, V three. So we couldn't name the victim. It had to be so victim three he and she said he just flipped his hand like he was flicking a blade of glass and he at grass and he's like, oh V three. Wow, if you think about how bad I was, you know, really, I've been a really great inmate. I'm really respectful. And he kind of just didn't see it, is like he didn't associate.
With what he's done.
Yeah, and he had no remorse, whereas the other guy Norris Roy Norris had so much remorse and was like, I'm a monster, I'm a predator. I shouldn't have been. He's the one that was diagnosed because he was in the Navy. The other one and they diagnosed him as schizophrenic. But this guy was like much had much more evil and was almost she said, it was almost felt like he was sizing her up to be a girlfriend, you know, like really fascinating. And she said, we spent four hours chatting and she goes, I got hungry and so I offered to give him a snack and she was like so morally torn and she said, but I did it. And she goes, and we both love the same chips and she said, oh no, this rapist and murderer's got the same taste buds as main Ah. But fascinating that he just had no ownership entitled.
Is that what it is? It'd be thee of like, oh I fine, like I can do whatever.
Really, yeah, isn't that justascinating? And isn't it fascinating like that we're in such an iconic positive of like happy that there's people, there's tourists walking past with like little kids and family and like you know, Santamoni Kapiir is something that like everyone goes to when they go to La and to things that so much darkness occurred here.
Wold, isn't it wild?
So what what's been your favorite of all our locations today?
I just love to go into Nicole Simson Brown's house. You did, Yeah, I knew you'd love that way. I think it's and also because it was really recent as well, like even these kids were kind of nineties. Yeah, exactly, so it's very current.
It's very and we had to do a bit of detective work to find the right house.
And we did. But you know, can't you can't hide from us haha. And Nola and David are on the LA Crew trime train. We sure are. Don't get on the tracks, don't get in our way.
I think Lana Turner's was my favorite, was because because the way there was for you for the listener, the way that David had been there twenty four hours before, not realizing we recorded sixty six years to the day, and the way that you said straight away this is multiple stab wounds and a lot of blood, and it wasn't we read the full report that we knew that to.
Be very fair. From a psychic medium energetic perspective, that was the strongest one. Not only just the synchronicities of the dates that have been there twenty four hours beforehand, but even when we were sitting at the front, what my intuition and energy was flowing to just happened so effortlessly. I was like, no, I'm feeling this, Okay, I think this happened. This happened. Lana's involved, like, yeah.
We both said this. You said this in the car. You were like, everything's come to me so quickly today. Yes, it's been so clear with you straight away.
It really has. From the podcast that we did last time in twenty twenty two, we went to some great locations, but you really kind of had to tune in, and I think we were in a environment you.
Remember, helicopters were circling as a one stage like it wasn't this just flowed perfectly today as wow.
And this was just the information came to you very very easily on everywhere we went today and the things that you could feel in sense and just tune into.
And for the listeners, I'm so proud of you. You've done your first live live. Can I say live show, live event.
Live show. Yeah, and I call it David the Medium Live Show.
And can we expect can we get a little tipp it to expect a little more of that? We're going to see more, maybe another one in Australia soon.
There will definitely be some more. So I am wanting to do the Gold Coast next great, so aiming for around June, not locked in yeah, so you know, stage tuned and want to visit also Sydney and Perth and definitely do another one in Melbourne.
And as soon as you've got your dates, can you send them to me so I can talk about them on the Diary pod.
I would love that. Thank you.
Oh, I love watching you. I was so flip and proud of you. When I saw it all unfold on I was like, he's darted, Like this is a and also like that's a lot of pressure on you too, you know, like I think you. I love that you got up there straight away and cracked a joke. Like as soon as you got up there, I was just like you just like so relaxed in that environment. Like I'm really really proud of you and it's been so nice to watch you as a friend, like over the last few years just kind of like effing blossom like, so my vote is an Americana tool one day.
Oh wow, you know I'm not opposed to that.
Yeah, I'd love to see that way.
That would be amazing.
Thank you for jumping on the pod, my friend.
You're wonderful for having me absolute pleasure not only to be your guest, but to get to spend the day with you again.
I know, we get to spend a road trip together every time we do this, and it's been so nice. And you have driven today, so thank you so so much.
Well we're equal. Now you drive, last time I drive today?
All right, we are, we are And next time you're in LA, we'll have to do it again.
Well, next time we'll have a driver take us around. Ah, because let's make it do it. You're wonderful, You're wonderful. Thank you for being my friend as well. Thank you for being right back at you. Thanks Lola.
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