Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional overshareer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fails. Hello on the pod. Today we have comedic royalty Josh Thomas. He's back in Australia. He's doing an Aussie tour called Let's Tidy Up. There's going to be all the details for that in the show notes. But what a celebrated career Josh has had today two TV shows in which he's the creator, writer, director and star of, one called Please Like Me and the other called Everything's Going to Be Okay. This chat really honest and there's just no filter. But also you'll get a little taste of behind the scenes of coming up with your own concept for a show, then being in boardroom meetings selling that concept. It's really fascinating and Josh was so lovely handsed all of my questions. So I hope you love this chat and look out for where he's touring because he's touring in Australia all the way till May. So if you can go out and see, let's tidy out. Josh Thomas Holly, Welcome to the pod. How I'm going Good?

Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional overshareer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fails. Hello on the pod. Today we have comedic royalty Josh Thomas. He's back in Australia. He's doing an Aussie tour called Let's Tidy Up. There's going to be all the details for that in the show notes. But what a celebrated career Josh has had today two TV shows in which he's the creator, writer, director and star of, one called Please Like Me and the other called Everything's Going to Be Okay. This chat really honest and there's just no filter. But also you'll get a little taste of behind the scenes of coming up with your own concept for a show, then being in boardroom meetings selling that concept. It's really fascinating and Josh was so lovely handsed all of my questions. So I hope you love this chat and look out for where he's touring because he's touring in Australia all the way till May. So if you can go out and see, let's tidy out. Josh Thomas Holly, Welcome to the pod. How I'm going Good?

You friends with Megan Gail? Just the quote on your book?

You friends with Megan Gail? Just the quote on your book?

Yeah, well she's been on this poto. She's one of my first guests.

Yeah, well she's been on this poto. She's one of my first guests.

I think. One of the weirdest things I've ever done on TV was about Megan Gael.

I think. One of the weirdest things I've ever done on TV was about Megan Gael.

What did you do?

What did you do?

And the meen came up the other day, just me talking about to Andy Lee when they were dating and talk about your when I as a child, about how models always seem like they're going to be pretty when you see them up close they have such big hands.

And the meen came up the other day, just me talking about to Andy Lee when they were dating and talk about your when I as a child, about how models always seem like they're going to be pretty when you see them up close they have such big hands.

Is that a true thing? Do you reckon? Did it try?

Is that a true thing? Do you reckon? Did it try?

I don't know why I said it, you know, I just don't know what I meant. I don't know why I said it happened. It's just this thing I said on TV, and I thought She's definitely seen that weird clip of me talking to her boyfriend about how scared I am of models giant hands. Check.

I don't know why I said it, you know, I just don't know what I meant. I don't know why I said it happened. It's just this thing I said on TV, and I thought She's definitely seen that weird clip of me talking to her boyfriend about how scared I am of models giant hands. Check.

Have you checked it in the in real life?

Have you checked it in the in real life?

I don't know if i'd met her at the time. I don't know if i'd seen her hands specifically, but I do just think whenever she thinks of me, that's what pops into her head. Isn't it that I said that thing that time.

I don't know if i'd met her at the time. I don't know if i'd seen her hands specifically, but I do just think whenever she thinks of me, that's what pops into her head. Isn't it that I said that thing that time.

About its hands?

About its hands?

You have what thing to say?

You have what thing to say?

That's You're gonna remember that, aren't you.

That's You're gonna remember that, aren't you.

I think she won't, but maybe she hasn't. Maybe maybe people are always talking about that begans.

I think she won't, but maybe she hasn't. Maybe maybe people are always talking about that begans.

I did not know there was a correlation between models and big hands. I knew there was with actors being short like Brad Peyton stuff, much shorter than we thought.

I did not know there was a correlation between models and big hands. I knew there was with actors being short like Brad Peyton stuff, much shorter than we thought.

They're just very big, like models are tall, and that's what we like about them. And you see them walk down the cow walk and you think they look like these beautiful sort of like I don't know, like Gazelle's or something. But then when they're when they're out close, it's just a bit much. I was just like, this is a bit of an extreme way to be, but I don't want to start doing it again. To meet.

They're just very big, like models are tall, and that's what we like about them. And you see them walk down the cow walk and you think they look like these beautiful sort of like I don't know, like Gazelle's or something. But then when they're when they're out close, it's just a bit much. I was just like, this is a bit of an extreme way to be, but I don't want to start doing it again. To meet.

Next cross paths you're going to I'm sure you will.

Next cross paths you're going to I'm sure you will.

I mean, it was fifteen years ago, but it's one of these things that you know, these things that you just pop into your mind every so often you feel a bit cringe about it. Yeah, you sink, why did I say that TV to meeting Geels?

I mean, it was fifteen years ago, but it's one of these things that you know, these things that you just pop into your mind every so often you feel a bit cringe about it. Yeah, you sink, why did I say that TV to meeting Geels?

But she's quite funny, so I feel like she would have actually probably appreciated the joke.

But she's quite funny, so I feel like she would have actually probably appreciated the joke.

Well, not that it was a joke they met her, since I don't know if it was a joke either, I don't know what it was.

Well, not that it was a joke they met her, since I don't know if it was a joke either, I don't know what it was.

Well, thanks for sharing your AVO with me.

Well, thanks for sharing your AVO with me.

Thanks having me.

Thanks having me.

I feel so lucky. I haven't seen your show yet, but I am going to. And you know, I'm kicking myself because I live in Barron Bay. I could have gone to the Brunswick.

I feel so lucky. I haven't seen your show yet, but I am going to. And you know, I'm kicking myself because I live in Barron Bay. I could have gone to the Brunswick.

Oh you've been one to the candle.

Oh you've been one to the candle.

I'd cauld have done that.

I'd cauld have done that.

Yeah, but then you know they like warm up shells.

Yeah, but then you know they like warm up shells.

So talk to me. Let's tidy up what like can you give me a little taste, not even to the listener, because I'm going to have in the show notes like how people can get tickets and so like you obviously stand up for you at seventeen, wasn't that Like you're big, Like that's how you started.

So talk to me. Let's tidy up what like can you give me a little taste, not even to the listener, because I'm going to have in the show notes like how people can get tickets and so like you obviously stand up for you at seventeen, wasn't that Like you're big, Like that's how you started.

And there's role comedy commedy.

And there's role comedy commedy.

Yeah, and you won, right, I won. It's my first gig at seventeen.

Yeah, and you won, right, I won. It's my first gig at seventeen.

Yeah, that's wild, and I do feel embarrassed that I'm still talking about it in every interview.

Yeah, that's wild, and I do feel embarrassed that I'm still talking about it in every interview.

Oh, I apologize.

Oh, I apologize.

I mean, it's what happened to you and you it is like it was a crazy way to start. I mean, it's not that impressive to run roll comedy. It's an amateur comedy competition. You're like the funniest least funny percent, you know what I mean.

I mean, it's what happened to you and you it is like it was a crazy way to start. I mean, it's not that impressive to run roll comedy. It's an amateur comedy competition. You're like the funniest least funny percent, you know what I mean.

It's like not that, But at seventeen, that's got to be like a pretty good vote of confidence.

It's like not that, But at seventeen, that's got to be like a pretty good vote of confidence.

Yeah, it was. It was really good for me as far as like believing in myself, which is important.

Yeah, it was. It was really good for me as far as like believing in myself, which is important.

Yeah, yeah, time, because you're brezy, You're a brisy kiddo. Yeah, like to then now look at you, like you have achieved so much in quite a short period of time.

Yeah, yeah, time, because you're brezy, You're a brisy kiddo. Yeah, like to then now look at you, like you have achieved so much in quite a short period of time.

Considering I'm from Brisbane as the subtext, are.

Considering I'm from Brisbane as the subtext, are.

You not mean for that to come across that way?

You not mean for that to come across that way?

But do you know what I mean?

But do you know what I mean?

Like you have Literally you're like you've lived the last six or so years in Los Angeles, which it sounds like I'm loving and you're not loving as much nowadays.

Like you have Literally you're like you've lived the last six or so years in Los Angeles, which it sounds like I'm loving and you're not loving as much nowadays.

I'm going to leave.

I'm going to leave.

Yeah, you've done your time.

Yeah, you've done your time.

We're not a culture match me and Ellie. Yeah, you know, I think kind of like d really extreme honesty. They love to lie, like they'll just lie to your face all the time. And and I don't know, I don't want to get bolltox, you know. And it feels like the most obvious thing to say about Eli, but I do feel like the bonetox is like, actually the amount of like botox and filler that they get is actually exactly representative of how it is going to be to live there.

We're not a culture match me and Ellie. Yeah, you know, I think kind of like d really extreme honesty. They love to lie, like they'll just lie to your face all the time. And and I don't know, I don't want to get bolltox, you know. And it feels like the most obvious thing to say about Eli, but I do feel like the bonetox is like, actually the amount of like botox and filler that they get is actually exactly representative of how it is going to be to live there.

Got it's been trigger happy.

Got it's been trigger happy.

It's just a bit shallow and not that like and sort of hiding and like so obsessed with how they appear. But it also goes into the conversations everyone's thinking about their like five year plan. You know, if you're at a party and everyone seeing about their five year plan. I'm just trying to have a nice day, yeah, And in Australia, everyone's just trying to have a nice fun party, right, nobody's working, y, But at all these parties, they're all kind of working and it's creepy and they're not very funny.

It's just a bit shallow and not that like and sort of hiding and like so obsessed with how they appear. But it also goes into the conversations everyone's thinking about their like five year plan. You know, if you're at a party and everyone seeing about their five year plan. I'm just trying to have a nice day, yeah, And in Australia, everyone's just trying to have a nice fun party, right, nobody's working, y, But at all these parties, they're all kind of working and it's creepy and they're not very funny.

Okay, so this is what here's the thing. Though, You've had such success with two shows over there, Yeah, like, so that means that you're and you've this is what I'm so excited about that you've done, Like not only you've gone from stand up, but you've then essentially written created. I think you've directed some.

Okay, so this is what here's the thing. Though, You've had such success with two shows over there, Yeah, like, so that means that you're and you've this is what I'm so excited about that you've done, Like not only you've gone from stand up, but you've then essentially written created. I think you've directed some.

Of us like me to drugs some smoke, please directors, and everything's going to be okay.

Of us like me to drugs some smoke, please directors, and everything's going to be okay.

Okay and start yeah in both So obviously there's something in the like Americans are responding to that, like because I was a humans a little dryer, right, and your whole thing is like no filter, here we go.

Okay and start yeah in both So obviously there's something in the like Americans are responding to that, like because I was a humans a little dryer, right, and your whole thing is like no filter, here we go.

Yeah. I think the fact that I'm telling the truth.

Yeah. I think the fact that I'm telling the truth.

Over there is such a like a novelty to them.

Over there is such a like a novelty to them.

I think it's a shock and it gets stuff done. Like they they you know what it's like. You go any meeting, you go there and they're like they say, like, yeah, we should work together. I'd love to work with you and all this stuff, and I don't believe in the meetings. I'm be like, I actually don't have time right now. I'll be like, oh, that doesn't sound good to me, Like you know, it's in this meeting. Once and he asked me, I wanted to write the Matchbox movie about match box cars. Yeah, sort of this is like early years ago. You know they're doing this that. It said the Bobby one that was really successful. Yeah, and he says to the Matchbox Car movie and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to do that. And that seems like just how you would react. But to them, like they've just never seen anything like that. Yeah, they've never seen anyone walking through a me they would obviously. Yeah, I think about it. That sounds great. Talk to my manager and I think that because I'm like that, we just get a lot more done than anybody else. They just can't believe how efficient I am because we didn't spend half the day. I like that though. I like that.

I think it's a shock and it gets stuff done. Like they they you know what it's like. You go any meeting, you go there and they're like they say, like, yeah, we should work together. I'd love to work with you and all this stuff, and I don't believe in the meetings. I'm be like, I actually don't have time right now. I'll be like, oh, that doesn't sound good to me, Like you know, it's in this meeting. Once and he asked me, I wanted to write the Matchbox movie about match box cars. Yeah, sort of this is like early years ago. You know they're doing this that. It said the Bobby one that was really successful. Yeah, and he says to the Matchbox Car movie and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to do that. And that seems like just how you would react. But to them, like they've just never seen anything like that. Yeah, they've never seen anyone walking through a me they would obviously. Yeah, I think about it. That sounds great. Talk to my manager and I think that because I'm like that, we just get a lot more done than anybody else. They just can't believe how efficient I am because we didn't spend half the day. I like that though. I like that.

Do you know when I finally signed to one agent, I was so overall the rejection as you know, LA is like meeting meaning fake meetings rejection. And they said, well, what are you here for? And I said, well, I'm not here to fox spiders, which is a very Australian saying. So they were like, you're what what do you mean? And then they're all laughing when you explaining it. And then an hour later I got the call They're like, Laula, we're not hit of fock spiders and they're like trying to sign me. But it was fascinating that, like that was I was just so burnt out from rejections that I was like, I might as well just like have no filter. But it seems like that is what served you.

Do you know when I finally signed to one agent, I was so overall the rejection as you know, LA is like meeting meaning fake meetings rejection. And they said, well, what are you here for? And I said, well, I'm not here to fox spiders, which is a very Australian saying. So they were like, you're what what do you mean? And then they're all laughing when you explaining it. And then an hour later I got the call They're like, Laula, we're not hit of fock spiders and they're like trying to sign me. But it was fascinating that, like that was I was just so burnt out from rejections that I was like, I might as well just like have no filter. But it seems like that is what served you.

Yeah, I think it feels special to them. And I think, you know, Australian, so many Australian actors do well over there, and and it's and it's just because they're just a bit more honesty has just been more important to them, whereas the Americans love politeness even in the face of truth. Yes, they'll choose to say the right thing, and that I don't know, I don't it's not a good it's not a match for me. I think it's really sweet. And I learned how to do it more since I was there, you know, because I am like too extreme on the spectrum of being like you're like too honest. It's been a lot of trouble and I did love when I was there. Or sometimes you can just say like all sounds good. You don't have to say that's so fucking stupid. I want that. I want like, yeah, and how to deflect and just just because I'm thinking it doesn't mean I need to say it. So I did get like a lot more polite over there. I think it's been good for me.

Yeah, I think it feels special to them. And I think, you know, Australian, so many Australian actors do well over there, and and it's and it's just because they're just a bit more honesty has just been more important to them, whereas the Americans love politeness even in the face of truth. Yes, they'll choose to say the right thing, and that I don't know, I don't it's not a good it's not a match for me. I think it's really sweet. And I learned how to do it more since I was there, you know, because I am like too extreme on the spectrum of being like you're like too honest. It's been a lot of trouble and I did love when I was there. Or sometimes you can just say like all sounds good. You don't have to say that's so fucking stupid. I want that. I want like, yeah, and how to deflect and just just because I'm thinking it doesn't mean I need to say it. So I did get like a lot more polite over there. I think it's been good for me.

I feel like, though, like your magic is that like just honesty?

I feel like, though, like your magic is that like just honesty?

Yeah, but you gotta still You've got to pick your battle, so don't you. But I wasn't being honest out of her choice. I'm autistic. I like literally didn't know how to not do it. So I've been like working on learning how to lie, maybe not lie, but like deflect.

Yeah, but you gotta still You've got to pick your battle, so don't you. But I wasn't being honest out of her choice. I'm autistic. I like literally didn't know how to not do it. So I've been like working on learning how to lie, maybe not lie, but like deflect.

Yeah, okay, yeah that's fair. Is it true you learn about being autistic at thirty three?

Yeah, okay, yeah that's fair. Is it true you learn about being autistic at thirty three?

Yeah? I made a show about I wanted to make a show with autistic leads in it, and I expcted what I like to see people. I always feel like I get along with them. And then through making the show, we found out that I was autistic.

Yeah? I made a show about I wanted to make a show with autistic leads in it, and I expcted what I like to see people. I always feel like I get along with them. And then through making the show, we found out that I was autistic.

How cold audience sort of diagnosed me yes on Twitter or something.

How cold audience sort of diagnosed me yes on Twitter or something.

Yeah, And we were doing the research. So the guys we're doing the research, it was sort of like they would like mention they talk about autistic traits, and me and my produs would make the kind of side eye at each other and be like, oh gosh. And then the first season went to air, and then the audience kept diagnosing my character with autism and my character is just me. And then we were like, oh, yeah.

Yeah, And we were doing the research. So the guys we're doing the research, it was sort of like they would like mention they talk about autistic traits, and me and my produs would make the kind of side eye at each other and be like, oh gosh. And then the first season went to air, and then the audience kept diagnosing my character with autism and my character is just me. And then we were like, oh, yeah.

There you go. How cool though, to like one be interested and to like create these characters that and you wrote an autistic girl, right.

There you go. How cool though, to like one be interested and to like create these characters that and you wrote an autistic girl, right.

Yeah, we had a autistic teenage girl the big thing I wanted.

Yeah, we had a autistic teenage girl the big thing I wanted.

To do, which there wasn't a voice or a space for that that existed, really.

To do, which there wasn't a voice or a space for that that existed, really.

No, almost zero. It's always boys. Females kind of typically presents a bit differently, and autistic female girls have a really hard time, Like that's a really difficult There's just a lot of things that come along with that. But nobody was talking about I hadn't really seen anywhere and then and I was interested in that and the same way, always interested in the main things, like new we mean that about my mom's suicide attempts, And I felt like nobody had really talked about suicide on TV very accurately in a way that I had seen. So I was always like somebody standing on like a bridge like I'm going to jump, and then somebody talking it down. It was quite hokey. Yeah, and I never see it done honestly, And I felt the same way about autism generally with specific oci females.

No, almost zero. It's always boys. Females kind of typically presents a bit differently, and autistic female girls have a really hard time, Like that's a really difficult There's just a lot of things that come along with that. But nobody was talking about I hadn't really seen anywhere and then and I was interested in that and the same way, always interested in the main things, like new we mean that about my mom's suicide attempts, And I felt like nobody had really talked about suicide on TV very accurately in a way that I had seen. So I was always like somebody standing on like a bridge like I'm going to jump, and then somebody talking it down. It was quite hokey. Yeah, and I never see it done honestly, And I felt the same way about autism generally with specific oci females.

And with the character that played Bipola as well.

And with the character that played Bipola as well.

Right in Australia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mum's my Poe.

Right in Australia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mum's my Poe.

Yeah. So fascinating to like and also courageous of you to be like, well, this is the truth for me, and I want to share that because obviously it's going to connect with other people.

Yeah. So fascinating to like and also courageous of you to be like, well, this is the truth for me, and I want to share that because obviously it's going to connect with other people.

Yeah, that was I thought about. Please like method, I know, I understand this really well and actually like a quick to tell this story. I'm going to tell it everything to be okay. My second show was supposed to be this big thing where I'm like not writing about me and the branching out and like writing about something else and then ends up just writing about me. It turns out this because I thought I was an autistic but then it.

Yeah, that was I thought about. Please like method, I know, I understand this really well and actually like a quick to tell this story. I'm going to tell it everything to be okay. My second show was supposed to be this big thing where I'm like not writing about me and the branching out and like writing about something else and then ends up just writing about me. It turns out this because I thought I was an autistic but then it.

Turns and I was. But look at the healing in that. What is that like art imitating life and all that, Like you're fully in it. Yeah. I think what I find so fascinating about you is like you've obviously got this like internal drive because like to go from stand up, which to me seems petrifying in and of itself, Like I think that that is a very specific skill set or type of human that can do.

Turns and I was. But look at the healing in that. What is that like art imitating life and all that, Like you're fully in it. Yeah. I think what I find so fascinating about you is like you've obviously got this like internal drive because like to go from stand up, which to me seems petrifying in and of itself, Like I think that that is a very specific skill set or type of human that can do.

No. I agree. I wouldn't started doing stand up now. I started when I was seventeen. That you know, when you were seventeen, you're at McDonald's, not developed properly, yeah, and you don't have a good you're gonna have a good like risk analysis, so like some like kids strive cars really fast. And I was doing stand up also stand up to me and felt a lot more comfortable than having a conversation when I was that age and I was really struggling socially and stand up I kind of like got to make my own space to like explain who I was and like say the things I wanted to say. And I felt like that felt kind of easier to me than having to like go to a barbecue.

No. I agree. I wouldn't started doing stand up now. I started when I was seventeen. That you know, when you were seventeen, you're at McDonald's, not developed properly, yeah, and you don't have a good you're gonna have a good like risk analysis, so like some like kids strive cars really fast. And I was doing stand up also stand up to me and felt a lot more comfortable than having a conversation when I was that age and I was really struggling socially and stand up I kind of like got to make my own space to like explain who I was and like say the things I wanted to say. And I felt like that felt kind of easier to me than having to like go to a barbecue.

You know that's fair. And how does it feel now doing stand like really yeah, like coming home kind of thing.

You know that's fair. And how does it feel now doing stand like really yeah, like coming home kind of thing.

Yeah yeah, yeah, it feels very like fun and just playful and ah yeah, but I don't do like, I don't do like lineup shows anymore. Well, sometimes I meet those comedians and I'd be like, you're doing like the clubs in LA and I'd like absolutely not, No, I'm not going out there at eleven PM and yeah, play six minutes and training convince an audience to like me anymore. I'm not interested in that game.

Yeah yeah, yeah, it feels very like fun and just playful and ah yeah, but I don't do like, I don't do like lineup shows anymore. Well, sometimes I meet those comedians and I'd be like, you're doing like the clubs in LA and I'd like absolutely not, No, I'm not going out there at eleven PM and yeah, play six minutes and training convince an audience to like me anymore. I'm not interested in that game.

So coming here and coming back to Australia and you're touring for a while, like you're to me, yeah, may that's a big hunger time. Does it feel like with all the skills that you've got behind you, all that time you've done in America plus like creating and developing and starring in your own shows, Like, does it feel like coming back here back to doing sot up. It's just like like you were just saying, it's fun, But is there like an ease and like you know when you're doing something and you're like, oh, I'm meant to be doing this and they called I think they call flow state in psychology.

So coming here and coming back to Australia and you're touring for a while, like you're to me, yeah, may that's a big hunger time. Does it feel like with all the skills that you've got behind you, all that time you've done in America plus like creating and developing and starring in your own shows, Like, does it feel like coming back here back to doing sot up. It's just like like you were just saying, it's fun, But is there like an ease and like you know when you're doing something and you're like, oh, I'm meant to be doing this and they called I think they call flow state in psychology.

Yeah, you're ever felt like that flow state? No? I don't know. I mean I think this show has been tough, Like this show's a harder show than I've done before. Really, like not like in a fun way, but like like like you like you like challenge yourself by just hiding to do things differently. Right?

Yeah, you're ever felt like that flow state? No? I don't know. I mean I think this show has been tough, Like this show's a harder show than I've done before. Really, like not like in a fun way, but like like like you like you like challenge yourself by just hiding to do things differently. Right?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Yeah, Sanachal's only ever really been jokes in a row or stories in a row. Okay, this is like a bit more serious, has like a bit more of something going on. But I don't know what the end of that sentence was.

Yeah, Sanachal's only ever really been jokes in a row or stories in a row. Okay, this is like a bit more serious, has like a bit more of something going on. But I don't know what the end of that sentence was.

No, I like whatever you said was perfect. I don't even know boring myself.

No, I like whatever you said was perfect. I don't even know boring myself.

No, I got so bored I couldn't even remember why I was talking, so my own self.

No, I got so bored I couldn't even remember why I was talking, so my own self.

No, but here, this is what I want to understand. And just because like I'm a writer by trade, but the thought of writing a screenplay or a treatment for a show is quite scary, and like how do you go from like I've got this idea and I know with please like Me? That was like started with the ABC here in Australia. Was it just like I think it's I think I heard you say an interview took four years of like negotiations back and forth.

No, but here, this is what I want to understand. And just because like I'm a writer by trade, but the thought of writing a screenplay or a treatment for a show is quite scary, and like how do you go from like I've got this idea and I know with please like Me? That was like started with the ABC here in Australia. Was it just like I think it's I think I heard you say an interview took four years of like negotiations back and forth.

Yeah. When we started bitching please like Me, I was street Yeah.

Yeah. When we started bitching please like Me, I was street Yeah.

Yeah so and then by the time it kept like my question is like there were it's rare that you say stand ups, create there, create, develop showrun star like like the courage that you must have had to be like, no, this is this is gonna be.

Yeah so and then by the time it kept like my question is like there were it's rare that you say stand ups, create there, create, develop showrun star like like the courage that you must have had to be like, no, this is this is gonna be.

A show the TV show not was Please Like Me? Never felt like that much courage really well, because I never really thought I was gonna make it, so like the probably the reason why I took so long. I mean that sounds like we were we were slogging or something like that. Sounds like we were like in the trenches this whole time, fighting for four years. But the reality is I didn't think they was gonna make it. So they would do the next development rounds, I'd be like, okay, I'll hand in this, They're not going to make And I thought the whole time, and then they did, so I didn't really it didn't feel and the TV it never feels that scary because you socially it is such a long process. And then it's just like it's day by day. Every day you do a bit. Every day you do a bit, you add refine, you move on to the next stage of production, and you do a bit, and those days never feel or that daunting to me. Really, could you just take it to by day and you know how to do It's like today where filming these five scenes, so just in the process of it, and you have so many opportunities to edit.

A show the TV show not was Please Like Me? Never felt like that much courage really well, because I never really thought I was gonna make it, so like the probably the reason why I took so long. I mean that sounds like we were we were slogging or something like that. Sounds like we were like in the trenches this whole time, fighting for four years. But the reality is I didn't think they was gonna make it. So they would do the next development rounds, I'd be like, okay, I'll hand in this, They're not going to make And I thought the whole time, and then they did, so I didn't really it didn't feel and the TV it never feels that scary because you socially it is such a long process. And then it's just like it's day by day. Every day you do a bit. Every day you do a bit, you add refine, you move on to the next stage of production, and you do a bit, and those days never feel or that daunting to me. Really, could you just take it to by day and you know how to do It's like today where filming these five scenes, so just in the process of it, and you have so many opportunities to edit.

Okay, See that's like the fact that your brain knows that, like I think when an actor rocks up on set that can put a bit of pressure on themselves. To my imposter syndrome is like such a thing.

Okay, See that's like the fact that your brain knows that, like I think when an actor rocks up on set that can put a bit of pressure on themselves. To my imposter syndrome is like such a thing.

No, but that's true. It's different to be an actor though, because they don't have the chimes to edit. They have their one shot. They've come in, they've given them script. They don't really know what people want. They rarely know what the show is, and and they do their performance and then it is what it is.

No, but that's true. It's different to be an actor though, because they don't have the chimes to edit. They have their one shot. They've come in, they've given them script. They don't really know what people want. They rarely know what the show is, and and they do their performance and then it is what it is.

It's right.

It's right.

Somebody else works out what it's going to be, and somebody else edits it and then they find out what it was. And that's different. Yeah, that's that. I would feel numbers sory ound to somebody else's show in acting, But on my show, I sort of know. I know what it's supposed to be. I know if he did it or not, and I know that if I didn't do it and I get it, I get a chance one day to fix it in the edit.

Somebody else works out what it's going to be, and somebody else edits it and then they find out what it was. And that's different. Yeah, that's that. I would feel numbers sory ound to somebody else's show in acting, But on my show, I sort of know. I know what it's supposed to be. I know if he did it or not, and I know that if I didn't do it and I get it, I get a chance one day to fix it in the edit.

Oh, it's such a good way to go in. Yeah, I think, a magic way to go in.

Oh, it's such a good way to go in. Yeah, I think, a magic way to go in.

No. Yeah, I feel like that's so much more chill.

No. Yeah, I feel like that's so much more chill.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean there's like an incredible I mean everyone's show, there's an incredible amount of pressure on you all the time. Yeah to not Yeah, like you can. You can fuck it up in like a long winded way over like months, do you know what I mean? You're doing it over months of like of a thousand tiny cuts. You don't know what's happening when you're in it. Yeah, So it's not that stressful day to day. I don't find it that stressful day to day.

I mean there's like an incredible I mean everyone's show, there's an incredible amount of pressure on you all the time. Yeah to not Yeah, like you can. You can fuck it up in like a long winded way over like months, do you know what I mean? You're doing it over months of like of a thousand tiny cuts. You don't know what's happening when you're in it. Yeah, So it's not that stressful day to day. I don't find it that stressful day to day.

Well, you have like an amazing ability. Like even when I get a callback and I'm in the studio, I'm like, it's like scary because you had a.

Well, you have like an amazing ability. Like even when I get a callback and I'm in the studio, I'm like, it's like scary because you had a.

Scary though I have all the power. Might job might find much more relaxing that I would, That I would would crush me.

Scary though I have all the power. Might job might find much more relaxing that I would, That I would would crush me.

So because you do star in it though technically you are acting, even though it is like, I guess you're your own archetype in a sense because it's a version of me. Yeah, have you trained as an actor at all?

So because you do star in it though technically you are acting, even though it is like, I guess you're your own archetype in a sense because it's a version of me. Yeah, have you trained as an actor at all?

No? No?

No? No?

No? Oh wow No. No, I'm so exciting for me.

No? Oh wow No. No, I'm so exciting for me.

That we were worried about when we started. Please, like me, nobody knew if I was going to be able to act. And it's not an easy show to act, and I'm not amazing in it. I'm just me and Luckily I'm kind of weird, so we get away with a lot of stuff. But like that's crying, Like people die in that show. There's like sex scenes and all this stuff that. Like, I mean, I'd never been on set before. I've never been on anything. Yeah, I didn't know it was the boss the first season crazy, I didn't know. I don't know who I thought the Boss was. I didn't think it was me.

That we were worried about when we started. Please, like me, nobody knew if I was going to be able to act. And it's not an easy show to act, and I'm not amazing in it. I'm just me and Luckily I'm kind of weird, so we get away with a lot of stuff. But like that's crying, Like people die in that show. There's like sex scenes and all this stuff that. Like, I mean, I'd never been on set before. I've never been on anything. Yeah, I didn't know it was the boss the first season crazy, I didn't know. I don't know who I thought the Boss was. I didn't think it was me.

So what do you do when you cry? When you have to cry? Like that scene with the bugs on your face, you have the rainbow dumb beetle, yeah, and then there were butterfly.

So what do you do when you cry? When you have to cry? Like that scene with the bugs on your face, you have the rainbow dumb beetle, yeah, and then there were butterfly.

I was crying in that from the beetles are was the worst thing of tent in my life.

I was crying in that from the beetles are was the worst thing of tent in my life.

Because I were like burrowing into your face, into.

Because I were like burrowing into your face, into.

My skin, yeah, trying to go in my nostril and training on my thing. I was so upset. I just don't really understand why we did it. It looked beautiful, just weirdly. It's like a scene where I'm crying with bunks crawling on my face. He's also like bugs but my face. I was like, nobody would ever do this, they'd feel disgusting. I can't believe we left it in this show.

My skin, yeah, trying to go in my nostril and training on my thing. I was so upset. I just don't really understand why we did it. It looked beautiful, just weirdly. It's like a scene where I'm crying with bunks crawling on my face. He's also like bugs but my face. I was like, nobody would ever do this, they'd feel disgusting. I can't believe we left it in this show.

It looked it looked beautiful.

It looked it looked beautiful.

Yeah, that's the show was supposed to be realistic. Usually I wouldn't let something like that stay. I think I just let it sting in because I thought it looked false. I thought it was beautiful and I had gone through so much to get the shot of you had like a full bug person. Yeah, it's only fear factor for like a scene. Yeah we had a bug lady. Yeah, that comes in.

Yeah, that's the show was supposed to be realistic. Usually I wouldn't let something like that stay. I think I just let it sting in because I thought it looked false. I thought it was beautiful and I had gone through so much to get the shot of you had like a full bug person. Yeah, it's only fear factor for like a scene. Yeah we had a bug lady. Yeah, that comes in.

I think, I know, might have been Aaron or something. I remember what you were, Like, I'm the one that booked the bug lady and I and it's like and I'm the one sitting there with these these beetles like crawling into my face.

I think, I know, might have been Aaron or something. I remember what you were, Like, I'm the one that booked the bug lady and I and it's like and I'm the one sitting there with these these beetles like crawling into my face.

So no one made me.

So no one made me.

But when you do have to do those like a more motive scenes, if there's like death or loss or grief, Like how do you go to those? Like in acting school, like there are so many ways into that. And to be honest, like a lot of actors fear crying on cube because it's highly vulnerable and can be really scary, Like how do you do that without like other than the bugs like literally calling into your face.

But when you do have to do those like a more motive scenes, if there's like death or loss or grief, Like how do you go to those? Like in acting school, like there are so many ways into that. And to be honest, like a lot of actors fear crying on cube because it's highly vulnerable and can be really scary, Like how do you do that without like other than the bugs like literally calling into your face.

I mean I don't do it. That will is the answer, I just don't do it that well, and I just sort of accept how it's going to be. I just that's going to be. We designed the show around my skills, all the good things up. Yeah, you know, I'm never like you're never seeing me. We never have a scene where you like, maybe before I knew about this, Ellie on this in the seasons, you were, but we would never do a scene where you see me start crying. Well, like I have to start crying a mid scene, we cut in on me crying, got it? Because you know, then you can put all the scaffold day. You can put the tears and the menthol and the stuff if you need. You know, there's no scenes where somebody is telling me something sad, I'm receiving news and I have to break into tears. But it's very high level difficulty.

I mean I don't do it. That will is the answer, I just don't do it that well, and I just sort of accept how it's going to be. I just that's going to be. We designed the show around my skills, all the good things up. Yeah, you know, I'm never like you're never seeing me. We never have a scene where you like, maybe before I knew about this, Ellie on this in the seasons, you were, but we would never do a scene where you see me start crying. Well, like I have to start crying a mid scene, we cut in on me crying, got it? Because you know, then you can put all the scaffold day. You can put the tears and the menthol and the stuff if you need. You know, there's no scenes where somebody is telling me something sad, I'm receiving news and I have to break into tears. But it's very high level difficulty.

Got it?

Got it?

Got it?

Got it?

Oh, so you're all about the menthole under the eyes and stuff like that.

Oh, so you're all about the menthole under the eyes and stuff like that.

We're always cutting in stobbing. Yeah, p from one scene, I once I cried properly. Yeah, And then I went in the ed and I watched it back and I was like, I'm not crying that believably, And I said to the editors and but I cried, actually crying. We find them where I actually cried, and we went through the takes and I got in talbadrams witch. Oh really because you can't tell them?

We're always cutting in stobbing. Yeah, p from one scene, I once I cried properly. Yeah, And then I went in the ed and I watched it back and I was like, I'm not crying that believably, And I said to the editors and but I cried, actually crying. We find them where I actually cried, and we went through the takes and I got in talbadrams witch. Oh really because you can't tell them?

Yeah, eyed, Yeah, so interesting though, I hope I don't mind me asking all this like beatiest stuff.

Yeah, eyed, Yeah, so interesting though, I hope I don't mind me asking all this like beatiest stuff.

I love it. No, yeah, I don't care. I don't know. I don't feel like, Yeah, what do.

I love it. No, yeah, I don't care. I don't know. I don't feel like, Yeah, what do.

You prefer writing comedy or like you write quite beautiful tragedy in a way like or is it for you more that like drama da kind of genre that you feel like you sit in as a writer.

You prefer writing comedy or like you write quite beautiful tragedy in a way like or is it for you more that like drama da kind of genre that you feel like you sit in as a writer.

Yeah, I mean I think what was that was so long ago that the fact that it was not either a sitcom nor in drama was like a big part of the pitch. I was explaining this idea that we would do both trauma and comedy, like to them as if they had never come across this idea before, which these days it's a big thing to I absolutely have to do it right. If these days you would be going in there, you'd be describing you say, I would do it was just an actual sitcom, and you'd have to really to send seven minutes on the pitch explaining why you weren't going to have emotional terms, and then so we try and do I don't know the drama usually, m I didn't. Usually I don't really know what to say about the question which I'm doing. Prefer writing. You want to write the bit that feels like that doesn't feel like work, that feels like that more natural. You want it to feel like it's what the characters are up to. And and most I would say most sad scenes are happening because I feel really sad for the characters. Like as we're like talking about I'd be like, fuck, this is so brutal, Like he would be thinking this and going through this, and then you just write them down. But I mean, of course, I like, I mean, of course I prefer writing dramatic scenes. It takes forty five minutes. Really, Yeah, it was so easy. Are we're talking about why I think.

Yeah, I mean I think what was that was so long ago that the fact that it was not either a sitcom nor in drama was like a big part of the pitch. I was explaining this idea that we would do both trauma and comedy, like to them as if they had never come across this idea before, which these days it's a big thing to I absolutely have to do it right. If these days you would be going in there, you'd be describing you say, I would do it was just an actual sitcom, and you'd have to really to send seven minutes on the pitch explaining why you weren't going to have emotional terms, and then so we try and do I don't know the drama usually, m I didn't. Usually I don't really know what to say about the question which I'm doing. Prefer writing. You want to write the bit that feels like that doesn't feel like work, that feels like that more natural. You want it to feel like it's what the characters are up to. And and most I would say most sad scenes are happening because I feel really sad for the characters. Like as we're like talking about I'd be like, fuck, this is so brutal, Like he would be thinking this and going through this, and then you just write them down. But I mean, of course, I like, I mean, of course I prefer writing dramatic scenes. It takes forty five minutes. Really, Yeah, it was so easy. Are we're talking about why I think.

You've got this. You are like a magician, like to be able to do even the way you talk about like the arc of a character or a story or a plot point or something like. Not all brains can do that.

You've got this. You are like a magician, like to be able to do even the way you talk about like the arc of a character or a story or a plot point or something like. Not all brains can do that.

Yeah, the skill in a dramatic scene is not And when you're writing the scene, it's in the build up so you have to like the character enough. You need to care about the character enough, you need to be on site with the story. You have to really believe the story, and when the thing happens has to shock you in a week. So like all the work is done four episodes before. Yeah, once something sad actually happens in a TV show, the scene afterwards, it's very very easy. That's that's that's that's there's no you shouldn't have to do anything. So that's why. So like, yeah, so when you're writing drama or comedy, it really depends on how well I've set it up. Got there? Yeah, If we've got there, then the drama study is like.

Yeah, the skill in a dramatic scene is not And when you're writing the scene, it's in the build up so you have to like the character enough. You need to care about the character enough, you need to be on site with the story. You have to really believe the story, and when the thing happens has to shock you in a week. So like all the work is done four episodes before. Yeah, once something sad actually happens in a TV show, the scene afterwards, it's very very easy. That's that's that's that's there's no you shouldn't have to do anything. So that's why. So like, yeah, so when you're writing drama or comedy, it really depends on how well I've set it up. Got there? Yeah, If we've got there, then the drama study is like.

You've got such an incredible brain for this, like you like even just the way you're describing this to me now, and when I was researching you, hearing the way you described in interviews, like how characters, the like synopsis of shows and like how the arcs of different episodes, I'm like, this is an incredible brain.

You've got such an incredible brain for this, like you like even just the way you're describing this to me now, and when I was researching you, hearing the way you described in interviews, like how characters, the like synopsis of shows and like how the arcs of different episodes, I'm like, this is an incredible brain.

Thanks, you're welcome. I wouldn't I wouldn't have known how to talk about it when we started on fifty two episodes now, yeah, and so I know, but when we started, I just I think. I mean, it's still the same thing where you don't want to you can know too much, right, and you can know how to do things too much. You can know how to like you like, learn these skill sets of how to manipulate an audience, but that's not what you want to be doing good good TV as you know your characters or my type of that. I like, you know your characters and you know what they would actually do, and you know how how they feel, and you want to be going with that.

Thanks, you're welcome. I wouldn't I wouldn't have known how to talk about it when we started on fifty two episodes now, yeah, and so I know, but when we started, I just I think. I mean, it's still the same thing where you don't want to you can know too much, right, and you can know how to do things too much. You can know how to like you like, learn these skill sets of how to manipulate an audience, but that's not what you want to be doing good good TV as you know your characters or my type of that. I like, you know your characters and you know what they would actually do, and you know how how they feel, and you want to be going with that.

As much as possible. Love that and that's like a sixth sense thing to know that.

As much as possible. Love that and that's like a sixth sense thing to know that.

Yeah, that's my skill sets I know. Yeah, yeah, oh I love that.

Yeah, that's my skill sets I know. Yeah, yeah, oh I love that.

But the rest of it is just so which do you prefer? Then that like creating that and like creating characters that we the audience give a shit about and want to like go for or then like to me, stand up is like they are very different ends of the spectrum of being an entertainer. Both incredible, but like, which do you prefer? Or is that too hard to ask?

But the rest of it is just so which do you prefer? Then that like creating that and like creating characters that we the audience give a shit about and want to like go for or then like to me, stand up is like they are very different ends of the spectrum of being an entertainer. Both incredible, but like, which do you prefer? Or is that too hard to ask?

I like getting to switch between.

I like getting to switch between.

Yeah, stand up is like.

Yeah, stand up is like.

At the moment, I'm really enjoying doing stand up, but there's been times when I haven't.

At the moment, I'm really enjoying doing stand up, but there's been times when I haven't.

Have you bombed doing stand up of course, like like to the point that you're like that was the worst, or like that the audience feels too quiet, or oh yeah.

Have you bombed doing stand up of course, like like to the point that you're like that was the worst, or like that the audience feels too quiet, or oh yeah.

Sure, anyway, I just gonna believe how quiet they were. And that's my own show, which I would say as it happened, one one one in two hundred shells. You walk out and they're quiet then, and I was like, I was like, whoa, I haven't done this for a while. And when I was starting out, I mean, yeah, I was doing I was only three or four things a week. I was really upsets, hyper focused on it, and I was doing like and I used to do. I used to get up in the corner of the rooms, you know, like Pokey's rooms, and only did was put a spotlight up, and then they'd be like, there's an open mic night tonight, and nobody knew that they were going to see a comedy show. And you have to get up and like figure it out, and like the other I was a Brisbane but you just want to move on.

Sure, anyway, I just gonna believe how quiet they were. And that's my own show, which I would say as it happened, one one one in two hundred shells. You walk out and they're quiet then, and I was like, I was like, whoa, I haven't done this for a while. And when I was starting out, I mean, yeah, I was doing I was only three or four things a week. I was really upsets, hyper focused on it, and I was doing like and I used to do. I used to get up in the corner of the rooms, you know, like Pokey's rooms, and only did was put a spotlight up, and then they'd be like, there's an open mic night tonight, and nobody knew that they were going to see a comedy show. And you have to get up and like figure it out, and like the other I was a Brisbane but you just want to move on.

So it's like a game of letting go essentially and onto the next Yeah.

So it's like a game of letting go essentially and onto the next Yeah.

Yeah, you have to really you have to really become transient in the way that you feel and just kind of yeah, you can't. You can't keep it until the morning. You can't keep it the next morning. You're allowed to a bit of time after you get off stage. But I feel the same way about good gigs.

Yeah, you have to really you have to really become transient in the way that you feel and just kind of yeah, you can't. You can't keep it until the morning. You can't keep it the next morning. You're allowed to a bit of time after you get off stage. But I feel the same way about good gigs.

Okay, so you don't indulge it. You're just like, awesome, that one felt great. Onto the next.

Okay, so you don't indulge it. You're just like, awesome, that one felt great. Onto the next.

Lesson leave our lives because they got people go crazy, don't they? Yeah, what are your means? Yeah, come on, you've met these Yeah, old comedians, dudes, just still.

Lesson leave our lives because they got people go crazy, don't they? Yeah, what are your means? Yeah, come on, you've met these Yeah, old comedians, dudes, just still.

Out there, You're gonna go crazy?

Out there, You're gonna go crazy?

Yeah, what are they doing getting up still when they don't have to get up? Just like desperate for the applause or whatever. They're like addicts, aren't they.

Yeah, what are they doing getting up still when they don't have to get up? Just like desperate for the applause or whatever. They're like addicts, aren't they.

Well, there'd probably be some kind of combo with addict and absolutely so.

Well, there'd probably be some kind of combo with addict and absolutely so.

Just like you can't link. You can't like if you ever really like, I mean, I don't know if it's that good for you to have all these have a thousand people clamping for you every night, don't You can't link. You can't take that in the same as the same as the ones where they hate. You can't take that in. You have to like kind of when you're on stage being really with them and then when you're off stage, be like that was my job. But they did want to work today, I think, and switch off from it because they go, I mean, you met these people get nuts, don't you think?

Just like you can't link. You can't like if you ever really like, I mean, I don't know if it's that good for you to have all these have a thousand people clamping for you every night, don't You can't link. You can't take that in the same as the same as the ones where they hate. You can't take that in. You have to like kind of when you're on stage being really with them and then when you're off stage, be like that was my job. But they did want to work today, I think, and switch off from it because they go, I mean, you met these people get nuts, don't you think?

No, you're bringing up a very fair point. But it's funny. I've interviewed a lot of comedians and I wouldn't put you in that. I would put you in a creator's boat, like you feel like when I interview a writer, how you feel as a person good And that's a compliment as well. But like I love, I love hanging with comedians, I will be really honest with you. I get quite scared interviewing comedians because I never know if I'm getting a bit or if I'm getting are they doing?

No, you're bringing up a very fair point. But it's funny. I've interviewed a lot of comedians and I wouldn't put you in that. I would put you in a creator's boat, like you feel like when I interview a writer, how you feel as a person good And that's a compliment as well. But like I love, I love hanging with comedians, I will be really honest with you. I get quite scared interviewing comedians because I never know if I'm getting a bit or if I'm getting are they doing?

Should I be doing better? No? One joke, I'm gonna.

Should I be doing better? No? One joke, I'm gonna.

Perfect that you were doing absolutely fair?

Perfect that you were doing absolutely fair?

Are they doing bits on their show when they do the couple city interviews. I've never been able to bring myself to do that. I've been doing it a bit this year, but I have like I made a decision this year to just do it. What do you mean, like like you're on the project, you do like a couple of little jokes on the show, I've never done that before, and that's what everyone always tells you to do, and I've been doing it and I feel a bit ashamed.

Are they doing bits on their show when they do the couple city interviews. I've never been able to bring myself to do that. I've been doing it a bit this year, but I have like I made a decision this year to just do it. What do you mean, like like you're on the project, you do like a couple of little jokes on the show, I've never done that before, and that's what everyone always tells you to do, and I've been doing it and I feel a bit ashamed.

No, you're probably I watched your full episode of your full interview of that with your thick knit looks great, haven't you. Yeah, I'm almost notesed it, Like I literally have to.

No, you're probably I watched your full episode of your full interview of that with your thick knit looks great, haven't you. Yeah, I'm almost notesed it, Like I literally have to.

Know more about me than me.

Know more about me than me.

Yeah, there's something that I'm interested to talk to about you. I don't know if it's resilience or I don't know what if it is what you just talked about, the ability to kind of let go and beyond to the next like pitching shows like la here like you said like la Like there's a famous saying you never have bad meeting because there can be a bit of fake And.

Yeah, there's something that I'm interested to talk to about you. I don't know if it's resilience or I don't know what if it is what you just talked about, the ability to kind of let go and beyond to the next like pitching shows like la here like you said like la Like there's a famous saying you never have bad meeting because there can be a bit of fake And.

Yeah, anytime on you Australian comes to Alan, you know, and they want to go to Dowla and they're doing these meetings and they have this like first like week, two weeks, and they're so papped up, like oh my god, it's so great over here because they've never seen this. Everyone's lying to your face and telling you that they want to work with you, and they're like yeah, they these people really loved it. Had a great need with these people, and they're just like thinking like, oh my, that's on top of the world. And I always try and quietly say to them like just like relax and see which meetings follow up.

Yeah, anytime on you Australian comes to Alan, you know, and they want to go to Dowla and they're doing these meetings and they have this like first like week, two weeks, and they're so papped up, like oh my god, it's so great over here because they've never seen this. Everyone's lying to your face and telling you that they want to work with you, and they're like yeah, they these people really loved it. Had a great need with these people, and they're just like thinking like, oh my, that's on top of the world. And I always try and quietly say to them like just like relax and see which meetings follow up.

Yeah, yeah, such a high.

Yeah, yeah, such a high.

Don't blow your cash, don't don't book an apartment here yet. Let's just give it a few weeks and let's see, like you know, how many contracts come through. And it's I always feel so bad having to have this conversation with them, but it is that's a gift. Everybody does it. Everybody comes over and gets so excited because we're so not used to people in Australia. If someone does a meeting with you and they said that you're greed and they said they want to work with you, they mean it. It's legit, yeah, and they just it's just how they end every meeting.

Don't blow your cash, don't don't book an apartment here yet. Let's just give it a few weeks and let's see, like you know, how many contracts come through. And it's I always feel so bad having to have this conversation with them, but it is that's a gift. Everybody does it. Everybody comes over and gets so excited because we're so not used to people in Australia. If someone does a meeting with you and they said that you're greed and they said they want to work with you, they mean it. It's legit, yeah, and they just it's just how they end every meeting.

But where does that resilience come from for you? Because you're very resilient to be able to sit in those meetings and go or like when the matchbox deals on the table, be like the matchbox come movie, Yeah, it'd be like no, thanks. Like that takes a sense of self awareness and a sense of I think, well, this is obviously not for me, but something else is. And then to create not one but two shows, And did you say fifty to fifty six episode? Like so many episodes? A lot, a lot, all right, and have that resilience to be like and I've heard you say once your director was why and you're like, I ended up just directing it because I didn't We didn't need to get somebody else, Like you have this ability to go, like to be able to step up to the plate, let the pressure kind of go or not let it affect you and just move on to the next. And that's where I think some of your magic is as well. I think that's not a question, I know.

But where does that resilience come from for you? Because you're very resilient to be able to sit in those meetings and go or like when the matchbox deals on the table, be like the matchbox come movie, Yeah, it'd be like no, thanks. Like that takes a sense of self awareness and a sense of I think, well, this is obviously not for me, but something else is. And then to create not one but two shows, And did you say fifty to fifty six episode? Like so many episodes? A lot, a lot, all right, and have that resilience to be like and I've heard you say once your director was why and you're like, I ended up just directing it because I didn't We didn't need to get somebody else, Like you have this ability to go, like to be able to step up to the plate, let the pressure kind of go or not let it affect you and just move on to the next. And that's where I think some of your magic is as well. I think that's not a question, I know.

But.

But.

Just admiring, Well, what do you have?

Just admiring, Well, what do you have?

What choice do you have? You got to get up and do it. And I also do like, I mean I do like like like maybe it seems like on my shows, I'm doing a lot of charms when you like list it out like that, Like it's writing, interacting and producing and starring. It's funny to say starring, but it's one thing that I know how to do. And I'm not like going on other people's shows. I'm not directing other people's shows. I'm not like I know what I can do and what I can't do. I'm doing stand up. It's just me, so's I'm not that razy, and I just like half the things, and I feel like I know how to do. No one knows those show is better than me, and of course world's foremost expert on those two shows. So I feel like very comfortable in that office. But I wouldn't do a bunch of other stuff.

What choice do you have? You got to get up and do it. And I also do like, I mean I do like like like maybe it seems like on my shows, I'm doing a lot of charms when you like list it out like that, Like it's writing, interacting and producing and starring. It's funny to say starring, but it's one thing that I know how to do. And I'm not like going on other people's shows. I'm not directing other people's shows. I'm not like I know what I can do and what I can't do. I'm doing stand up. It's just me, so's I'm not that razy, and I just like half the things, and I feel like I know how to do. No one knows those show is better than me, and of course world's foremost expert on those two shows. So I feel like very comfortable in that office. But I wouldn't do a bunch of other stuff.

Yeah, we're not going to see you on Grey's anatomy kind of thing.

Yeah, we're not going to see you on Grey's anatomy kind of thing.

No, No, I don't think. I mean, I don't know. I've done one one audition, and I was to play Eric in succession. Yeah, cousin Greg, not Eric. Who's Eric?

No, No, I don't think. I mean, I don't know. I've done one one audition, and I was to play Eric in succession. Yeah, cousin Greg, not Eric. Who's Eric?

Well, cousin Greg. Imagine if you played cousin Greg terrible? What do you mean, ruined this show?

Well, cousin Greg. Imagine if you played cousin Greg terrible? What do you mean, ruined this show?

It's such a good show, and I would have ruined it. I love that's so good. Yeah, you know I hated the pilot when I read it. Really yeah, I thought this is so bad. Almost did an audition. I thought this is not a good show. But Will Farrell was eping and I thought, Okay, I'll do it.

It's such a good show, and I would have ruined it. I love that's so good. Yeah, you know I hated the pilot when I read it. Really yeah, I thought this is so bad. Almost did an audition. I thought this is not a good show. But Will Farrell was eping and I thought, Okay, I'll do it.

Oh and a great soundtrack. I know you want to know. No, that's so good.

Oh and a great soundtrack. I know you want to know. No, that's so good.

I'm so bad at reading other people's scrims, so I'm always wrong about them. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, I read a few scripts. I thought this is junk.

I'm so bad at reading other people's scrims, so I'm always wrong about them. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, I read a few scripts. I thought this is junk.

Also, my question is, if you're coming, if you're spending some time in Australia, now, would you then consider doing another show TV show in Australia.

Also, my question is, if you're coming, if you're spending some time in Australia, now, would you then consider doing another show TV show in Australia.

I mean that's the other thing about show Bersinus. You can't think you're just doing whatever the job they give you, aren't you?

I mean that's the other thing about show Bersinus. You can't think you're just doing whatever the job they give you, aren't you?

But you seem to be self create like you seem to be self generated as well.

But you seem to be self create like you seem to be self generated as well.

Yeah, but a little yes. I mean, so I made those two shows and then I pitched another show that I'm in development for. But and then are gonna make it? I don't think I should not be saying that in interviews and feeling really positive about it.

Yeah, but a little yes. I mean, so I made those two shows and then I pitched another show that I'm in development for. But and then are gonna make it? I don't think I should not be saying that in interviews and feeling really positive about it.

And but then could you pitch that I'll pitch again.