Molly Jong-Fast welcomes strategist Rick Wilson for a wide-ranging, sharply critical discussion of turmoil inside the Trump White House, beginning with reports of a Situation Room meeting allegedly focused on controlling fallout from the Epstein files and the fear that a conference-call participant may have recorded the discussion, creating serious legal and political jeopardy for figures like Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino. From there, they argue that internal leaking is rampant—potentially involving proxies connected to J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, and Susie Wiles—as key players position themselves for self-protection ahead of possible congressional investigations and a shifting political landscape. They also contend that Trump is losing parts of his base, especially working-class white men, as economic pain like high gas and food prices overwhelms culture-war appeals, and they frame showy ideas like a White House “cage match” as unpopular distractions that won’t help voters materially—concluding that Democrats’ best strategy is to stay relentlessly focused on the economy. Subscribe to Fast Politics and listen 4x a week for interviews just like this on your favorite podcast app: https://episodes.fm/1645614328