Filmmaker Ava DuVernay joins host Molly Jong-Fast to dig into her documentary 14th, which explores the 14th Amendment as the "everything bagel of democracy," covering birthright citizenship, equal protection, due process, voting rights, insurrection and Congress's power, while linking its meaning to Reconstruction, the Civil War and present-day attacks on civil rights. She describes making the film through interviews with dozens of experts and political voices, says the recent election showed a powerful public revolt and opened a door for structural change, and stresses that celebration has to quickly turn into organizing, strategy and protecting multiracial democracy. She also highlights the rise of Black women and other Democratic leaders in the South and in state politics, the need for preparedness against backlash, and the importance of understanding history so that progress is not followed by another round of violent pushback.