Is DK Metcalf In Pittsburgh Bad For Fantasy Football? | Free Agency Winners and Losers (Ep. 1545)

Published Mar 15, 2025, 5:44 PM

Join Ryan Wormeli, Jake Ciely, and special guest Michael F. Florio from NFL Network as they break down all of the biggest winners and losers so far in NFL free agency

Tune in to find out what our team thinks of Davante Adams heading to the Rams, Justin Fields as the new QB1 for the Jets, DK Metcalf as a member of the Steelers, Najee Harris going to the Chargers, and much more!

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Intro - 0:00:00

Chris Godwin Returns to Tampa - 0:02:41

Najee Harris & Greg Roman is a Great Match - 0:05:10

Jayden Daniels is a Free Agency Winner! - 0:10:32

Davante Adams Can Thrive with The Rams - 0:16:48

Geno Smith Will Make Brock Bowers a Round 2 Value - 0:19:56

Justin Fields Should Be a Top-12 QB For The Jets - 0:22:51

Draftkings Sportsbook - 0:28:58

Geno Smith as a Raider is a Downgrade - 0:30:50

JK Dobbins Missed Out On The Good Landing Spots - 0:32:52

CJ Stroud's Situation Looks Worse Than A Month Ago - 0:36:12

DK Metcalf in Pittsburgh isn't Great for Fantasy Football - 0:39:23

Rico Dowdle Has Lost Value Behind Chuba Hubbard - 0:43:10

Sam Darnold Is a Sneaky Loser - 0:45:10

FantasyPros News and Rankings App - 0:49:08

Stock Up or Down, Josh Palmer, Javonte Williams, Evan Engram, Mike Williams, DeAndre Hopkins, Christian Kirk - 0:49:45

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Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy pros Football Podcast. I'm Ryan Warmley, joined today by a couple of great guests. It's Jake Seey from The Athletic and it's Michael Floria from NFL Network. Guys, we are talking free agency winners and losers. Jake, how you doing, man, I'm doing good.

Fresh off a trip to Iceland. As you can see, I got a little bit of color. I'm the whitest person in the world that goes to Iceland think gets a tan. So there you go.

I don't think I've had a tan in the last fifteen years of my life, so I can't relate to that.

Cloria, how you doing.

I'm good.

I have no excuse not to be tanned because I live in LA although it's been raining here a lot more than I would like. But uh yeah, I'm doing well. I'm a little bit happy that free agency week is kind of coming to a close.

It starts off so strong and then it just kind of drags, right. I like to we get to Wednesday or Thursday and I'm like, I know these signs are now becoming official, but all the good names of cut. We've been doing microcast with Fantasy Pros all week and by the time we got to Thursday, Ericson and I were like, are we even doing an episode today? There's just nothing going on anymore at this point, Jake, What do you have going on at the Athletic?

Basically that I did what we're going to be talking about today, did a recap of all the free agents, some winners, not so many losers as we're going to talk about today, but that's over there. And then new rankings because that's what we have to do. New rankings coming out Monday, just like everybody and hopefully Aaron Rodgers. Can we just be dumbant speaking it? Can we be dumb with this?

Sorr?

I want to put him somewhere in the ranks, just so I know, just go away.

Number one free agency loser was all of us for having to sit through every single system Turnif for Aaron Rodgers the rankings, they'd ever stop. All of our twenty twenty five consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings right now. If anybody wants to go check those out because you're a degenerate and want to start looking early. I encourage you to do. So we do have a little bit of tension here. I will mention because Florio got to put in his names first for the winners and losers, and Jake was kind of complaining to me about him taking all the obvious picks and having to come up.

Right away.

He got very very quick. I didn't even get an email. I got the slack in the back. He's like, Floria's got these three and I'm like, well, great, thank you for taking the three obvious names.

Florio, I've guy. I was like, oh, Floria got back to be immediately, so I'll just pass him along.

So that was that was lucky for him.

But we will go through so there will be some agreement obviously on some of the names the guys both wanted. We're gonna start off with the winners. Like I said, we're going to kind of go three to one in order, you know, kind of ending with the quote unquote biggest winner that we see from this free agency frenzy. Jake will start with you for your number three free agency winner.

Yeah.

I probably would have had him either way. I think it got overlooked a little bit on why he's a winner. But Chris Godwin I just think being back with the Buccaneers. I know there was a lot of teams like the Jaguars potentially being rumored, but we get we get him back in a situation with Baker Mayfield where let's go back to last year before he got hurt, he was the number one on over Mike Evans. He was a top three wide receiver in points per game and overall, and depending on how you looked at it, he was actually number one in some leagues when he got hurt. So going back to that system with that quarterback back with Mike Evans, who's continued to be Mike Evans, had helped pull away that coverage. I think people just kind of assumed it might be a likelihood that he's back with Tampa Bay. But then once it happened, it just kind of got brushed onto the rug like like, oh, Chris Scott was back with the Buccaneers. Cool, but like from a fantasy perspective, I was really happy about that, Like, yeah, the Jaguars would have been cool, But would he have been the one with Brian Thomas? Would you have done as well with Trevor Lawrence? We don't know. We do know he's back right to be and Chris Godwin with Baker Mayfield. Oh, of course, assuming he's one hundred percent from the injury. But I would rank him probably higher than Mike Evans when my rankings come out Monday.

He's currently a consensus wide receiver twenty nine. Does that sound I mean, from what you're describing it too low for you.

Yeah, I would have him as a fringe wide receiver one.

Yeah, I mean the definition of a league winner last year prior prior to the injury. So yeah, that's toly spot on Floria. What do you make of Godwin returning to the Bucks. I was very sad personally.

I get it. It's good for Chris Dolwin and his fan. No no, no, no, no, Bill's rival.

I am a Drake may Stand and have been for a while now. So I really wanted him to go to New England, where I thought he could have been fine for fantasy and I thought it really would have helped Drake may But the Patriots tried. Apparently they offered him twenty million dollars more than the Bucks did, and he still wouldn't go. I also like Jalen McMillan a lot, and this this kind of puts a little bit of a damper on his fantasy value.

Does this change how you're evaluating and early ranking Baker Mayfield.

I think Baker is like I don't have him in my top five, but I think he's a QB one and I kinda felt that way whether he had Godwin or not. It just what it's good for is that there's continuity. We know we don't have to worry about like a fall off or anything like that. Plus, to Jake's point, if Godwin needs a little bit of time to work back two one hundred percent or whatever, we know that he'll be fine with Jaylen McMillan because they did it for half a year last season together.

Laura, let's stick with you for your number three free agency winner.

Najie Harris the obvious one, right, Jake, I think this is pretty obvious, Like he went to a spot where he is going to get a ton of volume.

Of the Chargers with Greg Roman as eROC, we know that they're going to be one of the run heaviest teams in the league. They were top ten in rushing percent last season. It's a quarterback upgrade for him, it is an offensive upgrade. So that should lead to more scoring opportunities, and like, I don't know, he's not.

As like explosive as JK.

Dobbins was. Even last year after Dobbins had all those injuries, he was more explosive. But he's durable and the Chargers know they can give this guy twenty five touches a week and he is going to be okay.

He can handle that workload. We've already seen that.

But I think he could also maybe catch a couple more passes than JK.

Dobbins.

So still depends if they draft a running back or not. But coming into coming out of free agency, I feel like and I have not been a Naji Harris guy for years, like since his rookie year.

But I do feel like people are gonna feel like like.

That way, like, oh, I don't want Nause Harris, but he is going to volume his way to a lot of weekly RB one finishes, and he even could volume his way to a low end RB one finish on the year, kind of like what Josh Jacobs did, not his really good year, but the year prior to that, where he would always finish like RB ten or eleven and'd be like really, but it's like, oh yeah, other people got hurt in this time and stuff, and this guy had three hundred and fifty touches.

So I think Nause is a clear winner in that regard.

I really strongly suspect I'm gonna be above consensus on Nase, barring you know, the addition of another running back like in the draft or something that would obviously change things, but as of right now, you know, I was talking with Andrew Erickson about this on one of our free agency micro casts earlier this week about and he was kind of describing me as, Oh, he's gonna be like the definition of dead zone running back, And I would be very happy to take him as it stands right now, just because we know what the offense is going to look like, we know the opportunity is going to be there for him the way the depth chart currently looks, and like I just I think the volume is going to matter, Like I would I prefer a better running back who I've been a fan of for a while, Like very similar to you, Floria, I've kind of been out on Nauji for a while, but like, you cannot ignore the situation if it kind of remains similar to what it is right now. So I think I'm going to be all over him, you know, barring a change in this depth chart, Jake, what do you make of Hay Harris early on?

So I'm glad we brought this one up because I kind of like, kind of joked at Floria. This is one that I didn't mind not having because he is in my top five. But I have three names before him that are winners. I think I'm actually going to be the lowest of everybody. I do think it's a win, I just don't think it's much of a win in my opinion. And I went back and I looked at the fact that I pulled this up. So golden goal attempts for Dobbins and Edwards last year twenty combined Hair still had nineteen last year. The Chargers just weren't as as much as teams know. You guys know this as much as that like they run heavy under Harball, it wasn't super run heavy when it got down to the goal line and goal to go opportunities. It was more balanced still, and yeah, the volumes should be there, but we're still talking about Okay, So they had three hundred and thirty one touches behind them, and it's not that fact that Naje Harris was that far off. It's just less of a split than it was before. And if you look at points per game, here's his last three seasons, then fouryo was good to point this out since his rookie season because the last three seasons in points per game RB nineteen, RB twenty nine, RB twenty seven the past two years. So yeah, it's a tick up, but I'm going to have him as a mid low RB too. I would still take James Connor and risk that hopefully he can stay healthy. I would still take Brice Hall, assuming yeah, we gotta still see what happens there, but assuming that they don't mess with that backfield anymore. I think Naje Harris is more in a Kenneth Walker back end on mid back end RB two for me, where it sounds like a lot of people like you guys, and I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but like are going to be more in the mid to upper RB a tier range and I'm probably not going to have anything with.

The names that you said, Like, I'd rather much rather have Breeze Hall than Nasi Harri.

Here's one Chuba Hubbard or Naja Harris.

That feels like the appropriate range for me. For like they I I'm I'm.

I like Cuba, but that feels appropriate.

Do you guys think that Naji Harris is a better running back right now than JK. Dobbins was going into last season? Because Dobbins leaking finishes RB seventeen on a per game basis, and obviously he was going very late in drafts, so it was a good value. And you know, Harris won't be going as late as Dobbins was last year. But I kind of think of Harris as of right now as a better running back than I did think of Dobbins a year ago, coming off all the injuries, and Dobbin's took advantage of the situation at least to that kind of mid RB two range. Do you do you see them as comparable?

So I say Dobbins at this time last year, I would take Naja Harris Dobbins a month in once she was back to being Dobbin. I would take Dobbins easily over Harris, and I would just as a pure talent, I would take Dobbins over Harris as well.

Agree, I think I feel safer about Nause because I feel like it literally any touch we could lose JK. Dobbins for the season, and Nause has never missed time in his career, so I to me, they're very different. But I do think Dobbins is a better talent.

As a diehard Ravens fan, I don't really love making the Dobbins Harris comparison when I'm on the side of Harris. Give it their histories, but uh, but yeah, I kind of agree on I least certainly feeling safer with Harris there, Jake, let's go to your number two winner.

Oh, I want to I'm not even a Commander's fan. I used to be a Giants fan, and I still want to buy a Jaden Daniels football jersey, something autographed, the helmet, I don't know whatever it was, just because of how much I loved him last year and I didn't think I could love him anymore, but yet I can. Because it's not even the Deebo Samuel trade, which again we're talking free agency, so I think that's one of the reasons this name doesn't get brought up there. Look at that the Jayden Daniels T shirt by Michael Florio I love it. That's true, and you would be rocking yellow you where you wear that when you shoot hoops? I'm assuming right, No, No, that's a show shirt. No that's a show shirt.

Okay, good enough there.

But it's not just Deebo Samuel. It's obviously what they did too with the trade with the Texans to upgrade the offensive line. This is what we want is to see this team say, hey, you know what, we hit money in year one of jand we're playing with house money. Essentially, we were competitive before we were supposed to be. Daniels was better than most anybody thought he would be, even as big as a fan as I was. I would not have I would not have predicted that for his season. And now you have Terry McLaurin with or Chris Gotsh sorry Deebo Samuel alongside of him now. And I don't think this is necessarily a knock to Terry McLaurin. I think you're gonna draw some coverage up off of him. Terry mclaurin's the downfield option, so Deebo just gives him a better weapon than Zakias and Luke McCaffrey and all the other names that they tried to roll out there for these little slot over the middle guys and then upgraded the offensive line. So I think that he of what happened this offseason so far, he's a winner from that perspective. And I already had him in Tier one and I'm going to keep him there. I think he deserves to be in tier one with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. And if you want to make a case to make him the first quarter off the quarterback off the board, like I wouldn't do it, but I think there's a case to be made where you now can that.

Is the exact question I was going to ask you. He's clearly in tier one. Did you give any consideration to him as QB one? And it sounds like he's not there, but you can at least squint your eyes and see a reasonable argument.

Or you can make a case that if he continued, like if he develops at all in year two more, he's QB one. Like the only reason you don't take him QB one is because we have histories of Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. That's the only difference. They're all the same productive wise, it's just one one year the other two careers at this point.

Luria, what do you think about Daniels as making an argument for him as QB one with the addition of Debo and Laromie Tunsul and everything we've seen.

Yeah, I agree with everything Jake. I love Jayden Daniels. He was my most drafted player in drafts last year. Like I was going out of my way to plan my drafts around getting Jayden Daniels.

That's how like bullish I was.

On him, and I don't see any reason to back off of that. Like I have him ranked a QB three. I'm gonna keep him there just because of what Jake said. We have a long.

History of Lamar and Josh Allen.

Be like to me, with early picks, if you com mitigate risk, you should, And I'm not saying there's risk with Jayden, but when you're splitting hairs between these high end guys, it's like, Okay, these two guys like Lamar last year scored more Fantasy points than ever. Josh Allen is the only quarterback in history to have like multiple four hundred points seasons in a row.

So like, I'm gonna go with those guys.

But yeah, uh, I think Debo look obviously, TUNSL is a huge addition.

I think Deebo's getting.

Overlooked a little bit because one it happened at a weird time. It was like a Saturday afternoon. Everyone was like, oh Debo got traded. Cool, But I think he had more YAK last season than any command wide receiver. And Jaden Daniels was league average when it came to amount of yards that came after the catch. So there's room for him to take a natural step forward. There more time to throw, more time to run with TUNSL all of that, I tweeted out yesterday actually like get ready for Jayden and Daniels to win an MVP because it's coming.

I want to add, like if we see him as QB three, how wide is the gap in terms of where you would actually be looking to draft him? Like obviously everybody kinds they're on strategy with where they're going to take the quarterbacks. If we consider Alan Lamar as like that kind of late second round, early third range, that's currently where they are ranked in ECR. At what point are you then going to Daniels. Is it later in the third round or do you see maybe like a round or two of a gap there, Florida.

I would be cool taking him in the third, but ideally the fourth round is where like, if I could get him in the fourth round, it's a no brainer. I'm taking him every single time because I like having a safe core with my my Like I like having two running back I'm sorry, two wide receivers and preferably one running back through three rounds.

It's just the way I like to build my team.

But I'll make an exception if, like if I feel like Jayden's there and I don't love the like the receivers in that range or something like that, I have no problem pulling him up.

Same question, Jake, do you see a gap there?

No, I actually I'd rather take all of them in the fourth. I know there's a lot of leak. Agree can't do that. I know a lot of people watching us are gonna be like not my home, Like there's people that are gonna jump the gun in round two. But basically, depending on your league, when these quarterbacks go like, it's a tier one of me, and like I think Hurts deserves to be in this tier two. But it's weird that like to your question, like if Lamar Daniels and Alan went back to back to back. I'd be okay with it, Like if one goes, I think like all three should go. But it's to your point. I feel like Hurts is kind of like, hey, a half round later but still kind of in that tier before we start talking about Joe Burrow having in a tier by himself, because like, if I can make a one point five tier, it would be Jalen Hurts Like.

He's kind of like right there.

But I feel like these three should almost go back to back to back and then Hurts like kind of later just a bit.

I feel like you're gonna get a big discount on her, Like people don't want Hurts, like.

I know, which is great in.

Comparison to these other guys, which is as much as I like Jayden Daniels. That's what gives me pause, is like I might be able to wait around maybe more and still get Jalen Hurts.

Yeah.

By the way, I just want some credit as a Ravens fan talking to a Bills fan with how much you mentioned Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson that I'm not going to rehash any of the MVP conversations.

More or less, we would have to pause that the next forty minutes would be Floria yelling at you why he deserved it.

Yeah, I don't need to do that no more.

I'll be good.

I'll be a kind host and move on from that. Now, Luria, who is your number two winner?

DeVante Adams?

And I will say that I wrote a whole article coming into last season being like, you should one hundred percent be fading DeVante Adams as a second round pick because we started to see declines in his metrics. I did not love his team, his quarterbacks, any of that. This is the complete opposite of that one. He played at a very high level last year, one of eight quarterback wide receivers to average over seventeen PPR points per game.

And he did so because he made a change.

And I think he went under the radar a bit, but half his routes with the Jets came from the slot. He's in his Larry Fitzgerald era now where he's like, all right, I know I'm not that same guy at nearly at thirty two years old, but he can move in the slot and play at a very high level.

And that's exactly what Cooper Cup did for the Rams. Last year.

So I think Davante, who's just playing at a higher level right now, is going to slide in and be the new Cooper Cup. It is a quarterback upgrade for him. It is a system and play caller upgrade for him, and McVeigh and Stafford have been very vocal about how badly they wanted him on this team.

They're gonna have big plans for him.

So I think he'll get drafted as a wide receiver too, and I think he will return wide receiver two value.

He's currently a wide receiver eighteen in early ECR. Does that sound too high, too low or just right for you? Floria?

Sounds about right.

I could even see I don't know the full seventeen in front of me, but I could see maybe.

A name or tow him jumping a little bit higher.

What do you think about that range for the ranking, Jake, I have him at seventeen and honestly after this trade, so the one I wasn't upset with with Naje Harris, but I have the same just so you know, the same two and one as Floria was about to throw out. If I went right down my list on the athletic Adams was my number two. I have him at seventeen one spot. I would actually take him over Mike Evans talking about the pieces of twos again, assuming Chris Goblin's one hundred percent by week one. But I sat there and I looked at Adams and I'm like, man, Adams are Lad McConkey, Adams are Terry McLaurin. Adams are Tyreek Hill assuming like he's still even like I'm in that range where it's like I could see it now. That's why we do tiers and I kind of have him in that tier with all those names. But if you told me he finished as high as twelve, wouldn't be shocked. If he finishes like twenty, cool, that's fine. But I think that's a really good spot form that you said eighteen, because I haven't at seventeen. I love this as Floria brought up thousand yards and eight touchdowns in fourteen games, not just fourteen games, but what did Floria bring up fourteen games with trash quarterback play? So now you go to matth Stafford as the number two, and we know he's probably going to see twenty five, if not close to thirty percent target shared, just like Cooper Cup did when he was healthy.

Jake, it's not trash. His quarterback is getting wall to wall coverage right now.

He's eventually like I said, why receiver eighteen. That is the bottom of Tier three. And pretty much every name you just mentioned Jake that you were comparing him to are other names in tier three. It's all the names you said, plus Higgins, JSN and Garrett Wilson. That is the group of Tier three that he's in. He's currently at the bottom of that. Wouldn't be surprised if he moves up a little bit. Let's get to the number one winners, Jake, you have a different name than.

You would have been.

Floria got there first. But who's the name that you pivoted to?

So I pivoted And I thought this was interesting because I did a show on here a few weeks ago with fits and everything, and I said, there's no way in the world I'm taking brock Bowers in the first round. I'm just never going to be that person who takes a tight end in the first round. Travis Kelcey's two peak, and I say two peak. He had multiple peak seasons, but his two biggest, biggest seasons were like the only ones that really warranted the value of taking him in the first round. Well, what did that come with thirteen plus hundred yards and double digit touchdowns? And my entire point was, yes, brock Bowers is amazing. Brock Bowers is possibly one of two tight ends that you could say definitively should be won he McBride. It still would take brock Bowers, But is he gonna get double digit touchdowns with what he had? Was he going to get thirteen hundred yards with what he had? So you have to get that to be round one? Do I necessarily think he does that with Gino?

Now?

But can he get close? And now I'm bringing him up to say he's a winner because in my opinion, I would roll the dice in round two. That's saying a lot for me as somebody who generally doesn't even like to take a tight end till round three, even if we're talking about my tier one options. So to say that I would consider brock Powers in round two is a big win in my opinion, because that's something that I just don't do because of the capital involved in what it does to the rest of your team. You almost kind of get pushed into either a hero or zero RB because of how your roster construction ends up. That's why I don't do it. But I'm okay with it now. So I consider that a big win because I think he can now get eleven twelve hundred yards and eight plus touchdowns.

So this, just to be clear, is more about the offense, kind of the level of the offense rising, and less about like Gino Smith, because I know Gino's history isn't that strong with tight ends that he hasn't played with a lot of great ones, right, So that's obviously part of it, but it's is it more about the offense overall? For you?

The offense and the offense with Gino. I do think that Gino, like this is one of those things where we go back years and we talked about Doug Peterson for the longest time. It's like, oh, he time shares everybody until the one year he went heavy with Miles Sanders. Like every coach and every system and every quarterback is going to be something until they're presented with an anomaly. And at this point, if Gino Smith ignores Rock Bauers and makes him one of the biggest bus next year, that's on Gino's and we should all hate Gino Smith as a collective. But I can't see him going away from his weapon and saying, you know what, he's definitively my number one. Sorry, Jacoby Myers. I'm just gonna not throw to him that much. They's just no reason not to.

The only person in the NFL that would scare me off of Rock Bowers is if somehow Arthur Smith was his offensive course, So because he is not, I am not afraid of Rock Barers at all, Floria, what round are you drafting Bowers?

And I would want to say second, I'm not sure because like Jake, I'm just not the take a tight end in the first round kind of guy. I don't even love taking one in the second. But if he fell to the second, it would be very very tempting.

Yeah, back half of the second. If you compare him with you know, a top five pick in the first that that seems pretty appealing to me. So, like I said, that was not Jake's actual pick. Florio did make his actual pick.

Who he got Justin Field's baby, He's starting right, That's all I wanted out of a landing spot for Justin Fields was an opportunity for him to start, because if he's starting, he's a QB one for real life purposes, in my opinion, one of three quarterbacks all time to have eight thousand rushing yard season under his belt, the other two being Vic and Lamar. But what I specifically like is since twenty twenty two, when he really got going that year, Justin Fields, in the last three seasons he is the most touchdowns amongst quarterbacks on outside runs and the second most yards behind only Lamar.

He'd be one probably if he got to start all last year.

The Jets were top five in outside zone runs last year, and I know they have a new oc he comes from Detroit.

They were six, so I expect.

A lot of favorable situations for Justin Fields to get to show off his legs. And again I'm ranking him as a QB one and pretty firmly in there. Outside of the top five, you might be hard pressed to find a quarterback who brings as much upside as Justin Fields. And then I know people are gonna be like souring on Breece Hall. Maybe not Breece Hall as much, but people I've already seen people be like, he's not gonna dump it off.

He was throwing the ball to.

Running backs at a high rate last year, and then people are gonna say Garrett Wilson, this is a big hit for him.

I take the opposite approach.

I think Garrett Wilson is going to be appropriately valued for the first time in his career because every year we prop Garrett Wilson up to be a first round pick and he does not return first round value.

Now you're gonna get him as a wide receiver two.

And my pushback is like Dj Moore had his best year of his career with justin fields, So like, I just think Garrett Wilson could be a really solid wide receiver two, which is what he's always been in his career. And now you're not gonna have to pay for the ceiling that wide receiver won price.

You didn't even mention the Ohio state connection obviously too, which you know, can you would think it would only help right.

There?

Boys, Yeah, like I would imagine that's I mean, I sometimes think that's a little overblown, which is why I'm kind of couching it. But again, it's not gonna hurt right like that, that can only help, So Jake, obviously, like I said you were all in on Fields as well as your pick.

Yeah, I'm with in the QB one range. Honestly, depending on what happens with the rest of the forty nine ers, giving you an idea the rest of the forty nine ers offseason. If Ayuk is still there, I'd probably still go brock Party by a hair, But if Ayuku is the next one out the door, I mean, why would we even draft rock Party over Fields. I understand people are gonna be hesitant over the failures that he's had. At times they're injury risk, but we were not we but the community like, even if put this way, I was not as high as some on Anthony Richardson, I still had him as a top six quarterback because of the upside with the legs, no matter how bad he was as a thrower, and Fields doesn't have that level of injury risk of Anthony Richardson. So if we're going back to just last year and saying, well, we're only taking Anthony Richardson because he's going to run a ton and he can throw mediocre and he couldn't even do that as why are we like not wanting Fields as a QB one who by the way is in the conversation with Burrow as a points per game when as a starter of that Floria was talking about since twenty twenty two, like he's putting up twenty plus points per game. That's a very short list of quarterbacks who have done that over their entire span. And yeah, the DJ Moore is a great one. He actually at DJ Moore averaged over fourteen points per game in that season with fields because you don't get you get the missed games without fields, where like DJ Moore was actually pulled down, he actually didn't even have a touchdown in that game or eighty yards and he was better with fields, which is crazy to think about. So I'm with you. I think borderline top ten and the only risk is that the risk that he gets hurt or potentially just falls flat on his face for three weeks and they think otherwise, maybe if they draft a rookie or something like that, but otherwise, if he's the starter, ten is going to be too low.

The consensus rankings haven't caught up with him yet. He's still down in the twenties. That's obviously going to rise a lot. You guys have him as a QB one. Where do you think consensus will be by the time we get to August. On Fields, do you think he will be firmly inside the top twelve? Do you think he'll be more of like a thirteen to fifty, he'll be inside the top twelve.

Yeah, But because I'll go ahead, go ahead, Florida.

Because I'm probably gonna have him like QB seven, Like I think that's where I'm gonna put him behind Mahomes as my QB six.

Okay, road next, I will take.

Fields over Nicks.

I think Nicks was closer to his ceiling last year, where I just think Fields spe he could give us a thousand rushing yards like that ceiling is so high.

The funny thing is I was thinking of sliding him in behind Nicks and ahead of Mahomes. But also, like I have Caleb Williams at nine. With their improvements, you could he honorable mention by the way to a winner at this offseason, even though it's not the wide receiver room. He was walking into us a rookie, but just potentially Ben Jonson, like you know, you guys know the offensive line and everything like that. But I mean to answer your question, we're like kind of in that says like I could see people having Williams and Mahomes ahead of them, maybe Purty, maybe he's ahead of Golf and Dak Prescott. I have a giant tier from six to fifteen for quarterbacks.

That's the reason, Daniels.

Yeah, he's smack dab in the middle of that tier for me, like mine goes all the way from Baker to Kyler.

It's gonna be dealer's choice for any like this. This range of names is just gonna be like me, Nick's Caleb is maybe Stroud Herbert.

And here's my thing with that, Sorry to jump in on you, but like my biggest thing, and it sounds like Flora's on the same page, is if I'm in this tier, mine goes down to fifteen. That means everybody has a quarterback and three extras. So knowing that and then knowing the tier behind that, which you know you have the Darnalds and Herberts of the world, stuff like that. I'm going to shoot for a quarterback that can finish QB five. I don't want QB eleven. I don't want him. He's gonna be QB eleven. That's fine, that that's replaceable. I want the guy who has the ceiling, and if I miss in the ceiling, guess what, there's other options, Like.

I wrote an article this week like it's advantage, Like there's an advantage to take a top five quarterback this year in my opinion. But the reason I have mahomes and fields like six and seven is for exactly that reason, Like if they don't hit, I can get another quarterback very very easily, that that won't really be much of a downfall from the rest of my league.

Mats quarterbacks.

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I want FLA.

Sorry, if we get flag, I'll be I'll be. So we're one ping pong ball away from getting Wembin Yama a couple of years ago, and that was very crushing to not get that, So hopefully we can write that.

Yeah.

Yeah, speaking of losers like the Wizards, let's go to our free agency losers, Jake, who's your.

Number three loser?

Somebody on the other side with brock Bowers. It's Gino Smith. I think now you have a tick down in his stock because he's going from DK Metcalf, Jackson Smith and Jig. But even lock it at that point of a career, I know everybody was expecting worlds for that offense in the passing, and we saw that that didn't work out, and then of course, you know, they just drop off all around. It was a rough year, but I don't think it's necessarily gonna get better with the Raiders. Like, yes, you have brock Bowers, but brock Bowers doesn't offset DK, Metcalf and Jackson Smith a jib. But like you're gonna say DK and JSN versus Jacoby and Bowers. You're gonna take DK and JSN every single day of the week. So I'm just looking at the offenses and where Gino Smith went from. I'm looking at right now like I had him right around twenty two twenty one with like a Trevor Lawrence Jordan Love kind of range. Heck, I wouldn't even draft them at this point. I would draft both rookies because there's no upside, like even if cam Warden should her, Sanders fall flat on their face, and like, I don't think they're gonna have great rookie seasons, but I'd rather take the chance over somebody who I don't even think is gonna finish as a top twenty quarterback.

Now. Gino's consensus ranking is currently as a QB three. He's QB twenty five, so he's not even inside the top twenty four, still behind that position, and by the way, that will go down because he sells justin Fields behind him, which is definitely going to go out right, and both rookies are behind him. JJ McCarthy's behind him. Like, yeah, he is something I absolutely zero interest in drafting this year, even if the price is really low. Floria, where do you have Gino?

Yeah, I'm not I haven't done my official rankings yet, but he's gonna fall in that range as well, Becuz upside that's what fantasy is about, especially when you get this late and Gino is such.

A floor quarterback.

I think he'll be streamable like in nor Right matchup and stuff, but it's not someone I want to invest in.

I'd rather take an upside shot.

I'll be fine having him on my team in a super flex as my third QB. I suppose exactly the pretty specific scenario in which I'd be interested in him. Anything else, I just don't see the point in rostering him really, So we're on agreement there, Florio, who's your number three loser?

JK.

Dobbins And I know people are gonna be like, he doesn't have a home yet and that's it.

Like I thought a.

Lot this week over where he could sign. That would be as advantageous of a situation as the Chargers were last year, because he went into a situation where he had a lot of chemistry with the OC there. They played together well. He played under him in Baltimore, he was the best back by far, like Gus Edwards was toast. They clearly did not trust Kamani Vedells despite how much all of us fantasy people liked him.

So it was just the best case scenario for JK. Dobbins.

And I again all week have been like, where can he go that he'll have that good of a situation And I don't think it exists. And that's before we factor in the incoming draft class, which is very, very deep. So I think teams are looking at it right now like do we want to give JK. Dobbins a bunch of money and you know, with his injury history and everything, or do we just take a running back in the fourth round. So I wouldn't be surprised if Dobbins is available for longer than people would expect because he's probably waiting for his payday. He hasn't had a big one yet, and I just don't think that there's going to be any situation that allows him to duplicate, unless injuries open up a path or something. But as of today, I don't see a situation where.

He'll be able to have the fantasy success he had last year.

You almost just could have said, like, incertain name of any running back who isn't currently signed here because of that incoming class, Like you said that if a team has an opening, they're going to use it on this class that it has been described as two running back classes put into one. Like that's how deep it is. So like, even aside from Ashton Genty, like you could wait till, like you said, round four, round five and get a really good running back this year or so it seems so anybody who is not signed and not only signed but signed to like a real deal of value is like probably looking at staring at the barrel of being a loser at this point. Dobbin's Jake, what do you think about him?

I agree? I actually, to Florio's point, kind of thought about this and only two teams came to mind for me. I came to like and these to what he was saying, I kind of feel like might be after the draft, is that if the Cleveland Browns don't do anything, and he's brought into contend with Jerome Ford, and maybe like, if I'm gonna say Dobbins versus Ford, I'm going to take Dobbins even being somebody who thinks Ford is better than people realize, and the other one being the Denver Broncos being because the pass catching up side. If he's given the clear lead, and Sean Payton doesn't mess around with four running backs every single week and every single but I think that day, I think JK. Dobbins would fit well with Sean Payton. But I think both of those teams are see the draft play out. To Florio's point, maybe even like estimate gets hurt again or something like that, but I think those are like if you look down the rosters, it's almost kind of like some of these are like even if somebody gets hurt, it's kind of like, well, he would still be in contention with the backup. So yeah, I think we're gonna have to wait to see it.

So much so I.

Think I knocked them completely as because if my rankings on Monday are gonna be if you're drafting today, and I knock JK. Dobbins outside my top forty if you're drafting today, is if you're drafting today, he might just be a backup, Like he might end up in Houston backing up Joe Mixon.

That's good. Who are our number two losers? Jake? This is another scenario where you wanted the same pick as Florio, but graciously decided to pivot.

Also, I also pivot.

I trade with you on this one if you want Dake.

No, I'm good because I actually teased up the Texans for this reason. See I was teasing myself on that one.

It's it's c J.

Stroud because the guy was already under durest Like, I don't know what the Texans plan is. Let me put it that way, because I thought the Texans initially looked interesting. I will save Christian Kirk for later. But I was like, oh, okay, you know Tank Dell could miss all of twenty twenty five. Maybe they see that they need to do some stuff for CJ. Stroud and then that trade happens. And it's not like I know, Tunsel was coming off a down year for him, but he was arguably still their best option. And what was a hellish year for CJ. Stroud, who, by all intensive purposes. When people understand CJ. Stroud as a quarterback is a pocket passer. This isn't somebody who regularly extends plays. He's not Kyler, Murray, jayde and Daniels some what like. That's not CJ strouds CJ. Stroud will run a little bit, but he's a pocket passer and that's what we saw so good from him in his rookie season. I just don't get what they're doing. Maybe they have their eyes on somebody in the draft, but I don't see how you take a piece like Tonsol away. My point would have been bring in players in free agency, add somebody in the draft also, and get that line fixed because CJ.

Stroud.

I wrote about it time and time again last year. By mid season it almost felt like a staple of my Texans preview each week was the difference in CJ. Stroud's numbers when under pressure and not under pressure. When not under pressure, he is a top five quarterback. When under pressure, he is garbage, and that's not going to change as of today.

It's funny too with Stroud, like just from a team building perspective, not even fantasy, like, the point at which your great quarterback on a rookie contract becomes expensive happens sooner than you think. You really only get like a year or two of this window of he's so much cheaper than his actual value would be. So to get rid of guys, and you know, partially due to cost, with somebody like tunsl kind of blows my mind. I was really, really shocked by that, Flura, you said that you my ticket.

You agree with him on strout here, Yeah.

I have straut as as a really big loser from this week, and to Jake's point, like a hunt.

I agreed with everything Jake said.

And I think the CJ Stroutz under pressure stuff goes back to.

College.

Like I remember watching him in college and being like, I don't like he's awesome when things are right and stuff. My one knock was like he might be in a situation in the NFL that's worse than a situation in college, and is he gonna be able to handle that and stuff?

And he was great as a.

Rookie, but last year, I mean him and Caleb were like leading the league and everything under pressure, and one coach was like, let's help our quarterback and the other was like, let's make it even harder on him.

Yeah, that Georgia game in the in the College playoffs was such an outlier because the rest of his career at Ohio State he hadn't had to deal with kind of the pressure he was under in that game. And yeah, that that part of his game has certainly translated last year. Flora, who is your number two pick here that Jake also wanted.

Uh DK metcalf And I know some people are like, oh, well, we don't even like who's gonna be his quarterback? Doesn't that matter and stuff? And no, I don't think so one. It sounds like it's gonna be Rogers or Russ And I'd argue that that is a downgrade from Geno Smith, but uh it, I just don't love the fit here for fantasy. I think for real life DK and George Pickens, phenomenally talented wide receivers, can be a little bit hard on defenses to decide which one you kind of want to put your one on her and whatever, it's gonna be mismatches. But for fantasy, they both played last year at least eighty percent of their routes out wide. They both had an air yard per target over thirteen and over a quarter of their targets were deep targets. So that kind of wide receiver is naturally very volatile week to week. But now you add in that he's basically playing with a copy of himself on the other side of the field, and I just think it's going to be such a headache and it's gonna be very like no real rhyme or reason. You're just gonna be like does he get a big player or not? Like does he catch that long touchdown? And there's a reason why I've been out on DK for a while now, Like I let people the hype of the new.

OC Ryan Grubb last year kind of suck me into it.

But he's finished one time in his career top twenty in fantasy points per game at the wide receiver position. But yet he's gonna be drafted top twenty again. I'm out on that.

Will you give any career if it does end up being Russ as his quarterback? Just the Seattle connection? Will that lean you a little more his way at all?

Now?

Yes?

Because to me, the ironic part of all this Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback stuff is they built a wide receiver room that I believe it's Russell Wilson's way better. One, he is the rapport with dkan And and Pickens already. Two, he's a better downfield thrower at this point in his career, and he could just throw.

Moon balls the whole time.

Aaron Rodgers last year was second to last in air yards per throw amongst quarterbacks who through four hundred times like you're gonna get this receiver room and then give a quarterback who doesn't want to air the ball out at all Like that, that seems like a.

Good planning on my part.

Well on there, that's how do you have DK Metcalf and George Pickens and your option for these quarterbacks that are left isn't Jameis Winston?

Like if you agree, agree, he'd be the most fun.

They replicate a lot.

What do they do?

That's why I could not agree more with Floya. That's why he was gonna be on my list, is like you're replicating two wide receivers. He's better than Pickens at this point. The concern is that actually Pickens. Strangely enough, when you look at DK Metcalf, Pickens has been better and contested situations that Metcalf is And you're like, Metcalf, your body is freaking Adonis. How are you struggling to contest the catches at simes? Like it doesn't make sense. But the point being similar wide receivers, I'm with flouryo, it's a massive drop off. I am a twenty five, Like I'd even take a chance on a healthy Chrystal Lave over DK Metcalf in this situation and not knowing the quarterback, and yeah, I agree, if it's Rogers it I might even tick him down a few more spots just because of everything that he said. With the Rogers situation is that he has no arm left. And if you're bringing in DK Metcalf, I think that's why we're kind of seeing this hesitation with them is like why would you? It's like the style just doesn't match like that. It doesn't make sense.

Honestly, my theory has long been if DK looked like any other wide receiver, he would not get drafted near like with all his stats and everything being the same, he wouldn't get drafted where he I think people see him and they're like, how did I not handy?

And that I'll say this.

I know the rumors have been that Cooper Cup leaning towards possibly the Seahawks, and instill my like they just say as to Cooper Cups goes to the Seahawks. I would still take JSN with Darnold over DK. With question Mark agreed.

I think that's super super valid. Jake your number one loser.

So this this one hurts and.

Mostly because like I'm going to bring in where I was wrong on something, so like as somebody who was a lot of Rico Dada last year saying like, hey, what if he's just Tony Pollard, And he was. He was basically one hundred Tony Pollard from a fany's perspective. Actually last year, if you totaled up their touchdowns, his having some receptions, they were basically the exact same running back. And it was a very valuable RB two that you got at a dirt cheap cost because everybody's thinking it was going to be committee and other options involved and all that type of stuff. And I say it to say I was wrong on Chewba Hubbard, like I thought Cuba Hubbard, like I know Jonathan Brooks got hurt, but I thought it was a given he was losing that job to Jonathan Brooks when he came back healthy. Because I didn't think enough of Chewba Hubbard. I do now, And the point being that, unfortunately, I think Dwell comes in as a change of pace. Where he was an RB two, I think now he's an RB four. If something happens to Hubbard, okay, he can slot in as an RB two, but this is a massive downgrade. Who basically falls into okay, cool, I'll take him in the twelfth round as a backup, whereas if he was even just back with the Cowboys, I would say cool still back in RB two. So that's it to me, just because of that comparison is a massive drop off as his fantasy value.

What do you think about Rico Daddell for this season, Florida?

I agree with Jake because to me, the biggest sign and clues we get about a player or.

What the teams tell us about the player.

The Cowboys signed Javonte Williams for the same amount of money that Rico got while Rico was still a free agent.

That's very telling to me.

Yeah, yeah, we haven't.

Forget that they doubled down with Miles Sanders.

Yeah yeah, I almost said that, but I didn't want to be mean them. Miles Sanders.

I don't even factor that in my brain is like, yeah, he's he's done.

Flura, You've got another quarterback here by it and it's I would just want to throw it because it's not Drake May. I thought May could have been an option for this loser's list, just because, like you, you alluded to it earlier. Floura that they didn't add Godwin or anybody to help him besides mc collins. But uh, you're going in a different direction here with your.

Oh there's no way they don't take Hunter McMillan right, like the one undred percent with the first.

Better they better?

I sure hope.

So I literally wrote an article last month like by Drake mayon Dynasty right now, like I'm all about it, but it some there. It's been awful for him because they build on defense. It hasn't been great. But Sam Donald, I think is a big loser in this as well, because I love Jayson. I think Jayson is amazing. You're not gonna hear her say a bad thing about him. But he's not Justin Jefferson and MVS is not Jordan Addison, No offense is not TJ Howkinson. Clint Kubiak is not KOC and that fantasy friendly system. They have a line concerns in Seattle. I think Sam Donald, I'm not even gonna point to the final two.

Games of the year.

I think everyone has kind of driven that point into the ground. For me, though, I just KOC has shown us that it doesn't matter whose quarterback is, he will get production out of him, Like, yeah, I know, Nick Mullins was throwing two interceptions a game when he was playing under KOC, but he was finishing with like three hundred yards and two touchdowns too, So like it's just a very friendly passing attack with arguably the best weapons in the or top three weapons in the NFL. So I think the move to Seattle a lot of question marks on that old line. They like they need another pass catcher. So to me, Sam Donald is more like a mid to low end QB two. I don't think he's gonna be able to duplicate that QB one stretch that he went on for last season and even in real life, Like I get it for Seattle, he's younger, he's cheaper. You're thinking you can can continue to develop him and make him better than General Smith.

But as of today, I cannot tell you with any sort of confidence that he's better than General Smith.

For twenty twenty five only in fantasy, would you rather draft Sam Darnald or JJ McCarthy. JJ JJ's about four spots lower in ECR right now, so that that might change, but I agree I would go with McCarthy over Donald. Just I mean, we saw Jake what the situation can mean last year.

So Jake, what do you think do they bring in a veteran if they don't, if they like legit go into now. Yeah, yeah, as of today, if we're drafting today, I would take McCarthy my hesitation with this entire thing. So I'm a little bit more positive than Sam Darnald. The's funny thing is I sound more positive, but I'm in agreement with Fourio so to speak, because I have him at QB eighteen nineteen, Like I like, that's still mid QB too, So it's not like we're that much different. I just I just don't want people to think it's to be all and I'll like it's the end of the world for him because maybe some of that's expecting this to not be done. Like I don't think they're going into the season with JSN and Jabebroni's as their wide receiver too, whether it's Cooper Cup or they draft somebody, or it's so late signing Mary Cooper out there, despite the fact that we know who saw my Matt Perry call him washed, it's still a Mariy Cooper, Stefan Diggs. There's names out there where like Sam Darnold is going with Clink Kubiak, now, which is not the old Ryan Grubb, is not even the Waldron's situation. I bring up Kubiak to say this. I did an article last offseason talking about pre snap motion and how valuable that was. Dwayne McFarlane set me down that path when he talked about it averages almost fifty percent more for the wide receivers, and I dug deeper with all the wide receivers, offensive coordinators and quarterbacks, and obviously if it helps the wide receivers, it also helps the quarterback. So I think Sam Darnold losing the Kevin O'Connell system going to Kubiak isn't going to be as bad as if it was still Waldron or Grub or whoever. So I do think it's a downgrade. I just don't think it's as as massive as the consensus seems to think. So I agree with Florio, even though I'm trying to spin it a little bit more positively.

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I mean, you get to play with the MVP like now. I do think this.

Is I think this is a good thing one for Josh Palmer just because he is on a team like the Bills.

Don't have an alpha wide receiver.

And I know you could say the Chargers didn't last year, but I do believe Lad McConkey is that guy. And prior to to that, it was Mike Williams, Keenan Allen in that. But I think the real winner here is Josh Allen and Cluse here to an extent as well. But Palmer is a better separator out wide than anyone the Bills had last year, and statistically he was a better intermediate to deep target than anyone the Bills had last year, So it just gives Alan another.

Guy who could win out wide.

And his style of play should help open up a lot underneath for Khalil Shakir, who I still believe will be the top target.

Jake Stockupper's stockdown for Palmer stock neutral.

I just need him to stay healthy. I think the bigger effect is what Floria is talking about, is that the reason I drew the comparison to Shakur to Deebo Samuel is not because he potentially runs the ball and everybody wanted a new debo. It's kind of what Floria was saying is like people just assume he's a great separator, where he's actually just better exploiting zone, which that's kind of what has been Deebo of recent It's like he does a lot after the catch, it's not so much really getting the separation before, and Palmer steps in as actually the best separator as of today. So if he stays healthy, could he be a wide receiver three or four yes, so like, but that's kind of how he's been. It's just he just can't stay on the field, and then when he loses his time off the field, he sometimes loses his opportunity, so I think is stock neutral, but I like what it did for the team as well.

Jake, I'll stick with you for the next one. Javonte Williams to the Cowboys stock up or stock down.

Stock up just because he goes from four to two running back competition unless they do draft somebody. But there's reports, so we just saw yesterday that like the signing of Miles Sanders and Javonte Williams means that they're probably not going to go Day one or two on a running back, which I know probably just shocks the world. And maybe that's just smoke and it's just because they want to get gent d or Hampton or whoever it might be. But as of right now, if Williams has the chance to be the guy, I mean, he can put up doubt all numbers if he's anywhere cluk Like, if you could tell me he's ninety percent pre injury Javonte Williams, he will put up RB two numbers. Is the problems we still haven't even seen ninety percent Javonte Williams. Let's not for get how good he was before the injury. It's just he might be one of those players that just never comes back from it and never gets back to one undred percent.

Floria, what do you think?

I agree with Jake. I think the health is the big thing.

And Jane Slater, who covers the Cowboys very closely, reported this week that, like the Cowboys, do believe that there might be some untapped upside there in Javonte if he can get back to who he was prior to the injury.

Huge if.

But even if they draft, unless they draft like a gent then everything out the window. But even if they use like a Day two or even Day three pick on a running back and that guy gets more carries than Javonte, we know Javonte can have a role in.

The passing games.

So I think being freed of the Shenanigans that Sean Payton loves to pull for fantasy is just a good thing for any running back.

Really.

Yeah, literally every running back we talk about all the next month and a half. If that team drafts a gens, throw it out the window. It's yes, doesn't count anymore.

U Florio.

Evan Ingram to the Broncos maybe the most fantasy relevant move of the guys we haven't talked about yet. What do you think about him going to Denver.

I think this is a good landing spot for Evan Ingram, who I haven't been an Evan Ingram guy so much as of late because I've been like, look, he's not a big play threat, he's not a high touchdown scorer. He is purely volume dependent and like even two years ago when he had an insane amount of volume, he was like the least efficient tight end ever with that amount of volumes. So I have a lot of concerns. But then he goes to Denver and I'm not someone who's like Sean Payton and tight ends because it was really Jimmy Graham. But behind Courtland Sutton, there's going to be a competition for number two target on this team, and Evan Ingram could be that possession guy. Like I love Marvin Mims. Sean Payton doesn't love him as much as we do, and he's not going to be like the possession chain mover for that team, which Evan Ingram can be. So if he could continue to see safe volume, I think he will be worthy of like a being a range of like late tight end one, early tight end two, where it kind of gets into your your preference over which guys you like more.

Jake, what range do you think you'll be ranking him in?

Low end? Tight end one and where he's been. It's kind of a neutral situation for me because I agree with for you. I think he needs the volume, and we saw one hundred and thirty targets. I know that's the season he's referencing, but I think it can be offesome. I don't think he's getting one hundred and thirty, let me make that clear with the Broncos, but I do think it can be offset by some touchdown equity. And that's where I'm going with this. Like, so, I think the ingram we used to know where it's, hey, he needs one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty targets is now maybe he only needs one hundred, one hundred and five, but now he gets some touchdowns to go with it. So, honestly, and for us in fantasy, that's gonna make him a little bit more volatile because he used to be a half point full point PPR liability to go out there, plug in and get around ten points every single week. You'll probably get some more fifteen to twenty weeks and a couple fives and there. So understand that, and that's why I would have him as a back end tight end one so stock neutral, but a different type of ingram than we've probably seen it in a while.

Jake, Mike Williams back to the Chargers, stock up, stock down, or just no interest at all.

I was gonna say stock, don't give a blank. I just like I'm done with Mike Williams. I had excitement a couple of years ago. I was hoping that he's won. Can you stay healthy and especially on the Chargers, But at this point, like, what's the difference between Mike Williams and Quinton Johnston? For all the com points we have about Quinton Johnston, Mike Williams is doing it right now and he can't even stay on the field. So does he even get the number three job? I'm not even getting a chance to get the number two, Like I just I really honestly don't care. I go back to what floor you said earlier in the show is I was a huge lad but aconky guy, and I think that he is the game changer in the receiving game. I think he is the clear best separator even with Joshua Palmer. It hadn't been back on this team. That's the problem with what happened to Palmer. He's a good separator. Lad came in as an elite option in that opportunity. So Mike Williams, I'm just kind of out on mostly because we know what this offense is now too. This isn't justin Herbert throwing for forty five hundred yards and thirty five touchdowns anymore.

Loria, are you also stock don't give a crap?

Yeah, Like I saw this signing and I was like, my.

Response still was Lad mcconkiy, no matter what, Like they brought back the wrong former Chargers receiver and I legit laughed.

All right, we got two war receivers here. They won't get out of here. DeAndre Hopkins too. The Ravens going to play with the first team All Pro quarterback, which is much more valuable than the MVP. I would say, Floria, stock up, stock down for Hopkins.

I think it's stocked down. Like look, and I know some people are gonna be surprised by that. He's getting to play with Lamar Jackson. Amazing, like, but I just don't think d hop is really fantasy relevant anymore. But people are gonna see his name and the fact that he's playing with Lamar and get it.

Not us.

Maybe I won't speak for you guys, but but like people who don't do this every single day year round are going to see his name and get excited. But like he's thirty three or going to be. He struggled to stand out last year on the Chiefs that really needed a wide receiver to step up late in the year he had Patrick Mahomes. So I don't know if we could say this is a huge quarterback upgrade.

Or anything like that.

Give me Jay Flowers, give me Rashad Bateman, give me Mark Andrews, give me Isaiah Likely those are the pieces that I'm interested in from the Ravens passing attack. But I think for real life, this is a good signing veteran leader depth that they needed behind those top two options. You know, if you're in a pinch, he's somewhat reliable and stuff like that. Still, but for fantasy, I just I don't think there's gonna be many big weeks.

I tweeted after this move that I was really happy with the signing for the Ravens, and I had somebody reply and ask, you know, well, what would you like trade for him in dynasty? And I was like, well, I like this for real life fantasy, absolutely, not particularly in a dynasty, Like no, what are you thinking? But I'm calling this it's it's the Deontay Johnson trade. But if his head was screwed on straight like this, this is what they wanted Johnson to be if he was a good team player. Hopkins is better than him, obviously, even at this agent's career. But I think everything you said, like about the real life impact, I'm happy with fantasy. Like I'm pretty pretty disinterested. What do you think, Jake stock Cupper stock down?

Yeah, so two things is one is without looking you guys know the market high for December and playoffs for DeAndre Hopkins. I'll just let you know four for thirty seven since December and the playoffs, Like this is stock stop? Can we stop getting the end of career wide receivers elite wide receivers to go play with Lamar? Like, can we stop doing this to him? It's like, Hey, this guy used to be amazing. Let's go to the Baltimore Ravens. Like, like, real life, it's cool, it's another option, But I think this is stock everybody, let's adjust our outlook is that's the way to say is that Mark Andrews is the only reliable option and that's because he's a tight end that he's in plays. A Flowers wasn't even a wide receiver too. Let's be honest, like Hopkins is gonna come in and screw up things just as much as anybody else has done in this team. Zay Flowers is the only one I might draft, and I probably won't get him because I'm only gonna have him as a wide receiver.

Three.

So great for Lamar Jackson getting an MVP rebound from the one that he should have got last year so he can get back into the there you go, Florio. Uh So, good for Lamar Jackson, good for the real life Ravens. But please, please please just stop overrating pass catchers or yeah, pass catchers for the Ravens outside of Mark Andrews.

Labar Like, I'm not saying he's quite as as bad as Aaron Rodgers is at being his own GM, but Labar is often the guy who's like going out and saying like, I want you guys to bring in Odell, I want you guys to bring in Hoppy he's been talking about Hoppy you stop, and I'm like, just get it.

There's a picture I saw resurfers of Lamar Hopkins and Henry from five years ago, and it's.

Like, who's stopping this. It's like, yeah, five years ago, maybe not in twenty five.

He's gonna go ask for Keenan Allen next year? Yeah, yeah, all right.

Last night hear Christian Kirk to the Texans, obviously not free agency, but a trade Jake stock up or stock down for Kirk.

That stock up. We finally got one in this quick fire section, mostly because Christian Kirk had a year to forget injury, of course, but now goes to the Texans and steps in is the two. As I mentioned earlier, we don't even know if Tank Dell is playing in twenty twenty five given everything that happened on that injury. So steps in is the two as of today, assuming that the Texans don't do anything else, and they probably won't give him their money, but maybe they draft this shocker. But if they don't, he's the number two.

CJ.

Stroud. I don't know how much he's going to be able to get them, but you're going from Christian Kirk, who was an afterthought where you can say that he's probably in the wide receiver four range, and if he finished as a wide receiver three, assuming Stroud somehow stays upright for the entire season and Kirk is the number two, I think that's with him play because let's be honest, Shroud, if he like, maybe I'm and we're wrong about the offensive one, maybe they saw things. Maybe the signing of the one from the Seahawks or Tom whatever his name is, is better than we thought. For the addition is by subtraction whatever it might be. And Stroud gets back to forty four hundred ish yards forty three hundred yards and thirty ish touchdowns, Christian Kirk is going to be a winner in that scenario as the number two Floria.

What do you think?

Yeah, I agree.

I think this was a great landing spot for Christian Kirk, who, like Jake said, injuries really derailed him the last two seasons. But when he's been on the field, he's still a productive wide receiver. I don't think he's a one, which he doesn't have to be here. I think he's a good fit because he can play in the slot. When you go three wide receivers when you go two, he could bounce out wide and be opposite of Nico Collins. So a little bit of versatility there, a reliable target, and I know we're talking about if Christian Kirk stays healthy. I love Nico Collins. He's not exactly the face of health either, so if he misses time, we could be talking about Christian Kirk being the wide receiver one for CJ.

Stroud for a stretch.

So I think he's gonna get drafted in like the wide receiver four range when things settle, I could I could see him outliving that That costs quite easily in Houston.

So I think this was a good a good landing.

Spot for Kirk.

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