Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and DonaldTony Hale went from weird guy on the commercials to co-lead in Arrested Development to starring in Veep, arguably one of the most influential comedies of the past decade. Along the way, he's been learning to conquer his fear, something Inside Out 2 helped him immensely. Now, he's got a new show about the pandemic, not Covid, but the plague. The Decameron is out on Netflix now.
Listen, my shirt doesn't pink, it's red like Zach Braff's body.
Holy, I know I made a bad decision, audience, right before we make.
A bad decision.
This was like a freaking this was this was this is involved, This is like, this is bad.
This is worse than bad.
It's not, it's not. I don't need to go to the hospital. But I definitely didn't put it in.
The sweats tonight, Bro, you gotta.
Be I'm gonna put some alavera on my chest.
I'm allergic to I can't do that.
Why why can't you do alivera because.
I'm allergic to it? That ship breaks me out.
Donald, This is me and who's filling in for Daniel today?
Mea three blacks against one white? We went.
Why why is it? Why is it to be about that? Donald? Well, just so y'all don't In case you don't know, this is what sunburn is.
Mmmm oh yeah it does. Listen, Black people get sunburnt too.
You notice we do.
We do really well, maybe very anybody. I don't know.
You get something that y'all motherfuckers don't get. It's the worst. It's called heat rash.
Oh my gosh, I've seen you get red actually on holiday together red.
But we get heat rash too.
I have a question, and this is naive, but do do black people need to be as conscious about wearing sun block?
Yes? Where sunblock?
Hell?
Yeah, man, that should have killed us.
Now, sun block that very specifically four black.
Skin everybody, because I don't know that's the subject.
Bro, black people out there who feel like I don't need sun block. I'm black. My melanie is gonna protect me. It'll protect you from burning, but it ain't gonna protect you from that cancer.
Get you that sun block on youall for real?
Well don't Well, what are your thoughts on this topic?
Skin cancer prevalent in the black community? Wear sunscreen? There's also a ton of really great sunscreen that works for black skins. So you have that like white ghostly cast over your skin.
Yeah, I feel more protected with that. I feel like that chalk shit protects you more than that other ship. Like, straight up, it sounds horrible, it sounds white. It's sound like a nigga want to be white now, But for real, I feel like that chalk shit do.
Protect you a little bit better because the chalk.
But you don't need to have the white stuff on your face. I don't I don't use that stuff. I just use regular SPF. Dan couldn't make it today, audience, Joelle, how have you been?
I think, man, great, really kick it loving this summer. I see Megan. I think you're talking about that last time. But she's shaking buttling great. And I got tickets to see Usher Halloween with my mom. You're really excited about so living it up, limit it up. You were just on vacation Reasa.
I was in mom talk for a while. Yeah, and it's so it was so beautiful at a good time. Was brought a bunch of friends, including Sarah Chalk, who was always full.
On vacation.
Vacation.
She's just so silly.
It's just a lot of fun.
It's like having a gesture.
Oh, I don't know about it. She's not a fool.
Well, I think she's a little bit of a fool.
Did you come back with any great Sarah stories to share with us?
Anything?
I can't tell somebody.
No, I won't tell anything private, but I will tell you that, like, yeah, there's definitely several times where she got something caught in her throat and we were like, what is She's like there's something in my throat and we all start getting nervous and then we're like, there's nothing in your throat. Just swallow, have some water, and like in fact, like something really weird, like like you know how they put like flower like flowers as on food like that you're at her edible, like a tiny tiny stem got caught like in a visible part of her throat and she's like, I can't get it dislodged and uh. And someone was like, someone was like, go get Tweezers, and she was like, oh, and so someone went, god Tweezers. And then people were holding up their iPhones and then someone went in and they plucked out the little stem that was like just sitting behind next to her lap. Every time, everything, without fail, without fail, everything happens with Sarah.
You know, a lot of people believe that some of these stories are made up, because you know, every time you talk to her, it's okay.
So this is what happened.
I was in the restroom and all of a sudden, an alligator came out of a baby alligator came out of the toilet hole. You're not going to be almost bit me on my cuckoo. I was like, oh my god.
It's the police in Vancouver. The Mounties say, it's never happened before.
Alligators in the winter.
What Another thing I realized about Sarah is that she has this bit of a tick that she does where she goes into whisper mode. Even if you're sitting alone in a big house in a living room and no one's there and you're like, you ask her some question, like oh, whatever happened with that story you told me? And even if it's not even if it's not a secret, but if let's say it's mildly serious, she just whispers. She switches to whisper mode. She's like, oh, so I didn't tell you what happened with John and Sarah. We are in mom talk in that house, like no one can hear us, and even the people that are here don't know the story, Like there's no need for you to be whispering. But even after I called around and jokes about it, she did it like ten more times. It's just even if you like, if it's not silly silly, she's loud and she's being stupid and she's being like crazy Sarah. The second you're like, oh wait, I think I burned my chest. She goes, Oh, did I ever tell you that mine sister once burned her chest so bad? Like? Why the fuck you whispering?
Wait, you guysn't seen Johnny SE's new podcast yet.
Johnny Seeds killing it.
I know it's I know we did. Nobody talked to us about him.
I know we got it.
We got listening. I got to give a shout. Joelle remind me, we got to talk to will about folding Johnny c into the iHeart family, because I want to thank you Joel for reminding me to give a shout out. JOHNNYE. McGinley just kind of went rogue on his own. I'd meant rogue meaning not affiliated with any companies. I understand and start. He knows so many smart, amazing, creative people. I imagine he got inspired by us. I would assume I have no idea, but he started interviewing some of his friends and he's getting these huge guests. He just did a Peter Berg, you know, meg major filmmaker. He did Eric Wagozian, a wonderful actor writer, and he's obviously wonderful about it. And they talk about the craft of acting. It's called connective tissue for those of you who want to check it out. I want to give Johnny a shout out, but but also I feel like Joel, we should talk to Will about bringing him into the iHeart family. He's really he made something amazing.
It's amazing. I'm obsessed with Eric be Gosi and I've been watching an interview with a vampire obsessively lately. Eric plays a reporter on that. He's brilliant, and so that's kind of how I stumbled into the show. And yeah, Johnny se some incredible host. Does you know he would be? He's such a lovely guest every time he's on our show, so I'm not not too surprised.
But he's also Johnny and Donald can speak to this. Johnny is so genuinely interested in people, like he's not. He's the you know these people that are like, how are you doing?
Oh?
Greg, Greg? Greg, He's the polar opposite. He's like, he won't sit there and interview.
You listen too. Like that's the great thing about him. It's like you can tell he's listening his faces. You know, you can tell when somebody's not listening to you and when they're trying to get to the next conversation.
He is listening every time.
It could be a party filled with a bunch of people and you and him, and he's he's.
Locked in on you. Yeah, the whole Christmas birthday party, Christian Miller's birth part. I didn't se josh Raden the whole party. I still had the best time. You and I were dancing. We had the best time. At the end of the party, like the night's ending, I see Joshua, where were you? Was like, Oh, I was just in the corner talking to Johnny. See you said the best. I'm like, talk to Johnny c. Johnny just locked him in and like Johnny Seed loves rating. But they he locked him in and they were like in this intense conversation the whole time. So anyway, check out connected tissue anyone, Donald, How are you? You had a big birthday?
I did. I turned fifty. I'm a grown man. Uh and all of a sudden shit started going wrong. I got to get my blood pressure down. Exercising is a must.
Yeah, well you knew that. You knew. Did a doctor call you out on your blood pressure?
Yes? I played golf yesterday. I would over five miles. Let me tell you something right now in my hands. Listen, I was killing Listen, this is how you know you're out of shape. People will be people be like, but golf isn't really that fucking much of an athletic sport, motherfucker.
I walked over five miles yesterday.
Did you carry the bag though?
And I know I pushed it in a cart and pulled it in a cart, which is heavy. I'm saying, bowing man, that shit is not no right. So the first half I was killing it. First nine holes. Donald Fason was I haven't played in two years. My player's card said, so two years was the last time I played. First half of golf. First half of around first nine holes, I was doing pretty good. I was on target to be in the seventies. Second half, that shit got long, that course got and my body could not keep up. I was literally pouting while playing golf, like, fuck.
Yeah, we got enough hole, then you got all upset.
I didn't get I tried. I kept saying to myself, stay in the game. You can be angry about the conditions, and you can be angry about all of this other stuff, but try and stay in the game. And that was still hard to do because my body started to fail. I couldn't get my hips around fast enough. So now my hands were moving too fast for your hips, lying everything. My hips were totally lying, totally lying.
I'm glad that you are playing golf. I'm glad you're exercising, because that's important to me that you stay alive. I went and had a I had to have a CT scan in my heart today.
How are you?
My heart's amazing. I gotta tell you this is when they put they put contrast into your veins. When you get to be our age. Doctor wants to have a CT scan of your heart. And also my father had stants and stuff, so I need to just check check out whether there's any blockage, and I can show you a picture. You want to see a picture. This is amazing. I asked the doctor if I could take a picture. This is just one of the angle. That's my actual heart.
WHOA, that's crazy, that crazy. Wow, it's surreal.
It was. It was really cool, And I just wanted to say one thing, since we are fake doctor's real friends. If you're a if you're a smoker, you might need to hear this. I realize I've been doing all these tests just because I'm going to turn I'm forty nine. I'm on the cusp of turning fifty. Getting every test you can get done and every single questionnaire every single doctor without fail. I always noted it all starts with do you smoke?
You know?
I know, and I'm thinking about you smoker. Someoney out there listening needs to hear this today. There's a reason why every single doctor, in every single form starts out with do you smoke? So stop smoking? Because that's the first question they all want to know.
No, you know what, you're right, And with my with my high blood pressure, that was the first question they asked, you smoke?
You weed?
Okay?
Yeah, Well I'm not sure about I mean, I'm just always feel I always feel very proud and smug to write never smoked.
You're a little bit like that man, because you're a little bit like Okay, gets up in here before we get up in there.
Yeah, Joelle, have you been watching a Yeah?
Do you like it?
Do you like it?
I like many parts of it. They gave me a sexy to sith, so I can't complain. There are a hell of black women want to give it. An outstanding performance of her career is so beautiful.
It looks good.
Listen, No, listen, it looks good. It's it's what's frustrating about it is I see all of the potential in it and it didn't quite hit it, and that is frustrating. I hope the season two can get to do better because Leslie headlind is an incredible writer and showrunner. I'm not sure what happened. I was a budget issuer or what went sideways. I'm hoping they can't get a best.
So much wrong but that there's so much good and there's so much wrong with the show man deep there's so much good, There's so much good, but there's so much wrong. You know what I mean?
Like, you're watching House of the Dragon.
No, yeah, oh, hell deep In.
And you're watching Us to the Dragon.
I haven't seen Game Thrones, so I'm I've got to get to that first.
Oh yeah on your list?
Okay, thank you?
What are you watching? What are the kids your age watching? Yeah?
What is the twenty five year olds watching?
I haven't been watching any series. I go to the movies a lot.
I go to the theater a lot.
What's the last movie you saw that you liked?
I liked Long legs.
Oh hell yeah, that's horror.
Right, yeah, that's horror.
Yeah, Nicholas Cage.
Did you Okay, all right, thank you, miam. All right, Joelle. House of Dragons.
Stunning, stunning.
Not only is it amazing, but there's this companion behind the scenes series. Are you watching that?
Oh yeah, oh yeah, all of it, all the aspects of After.
Each episode, they do a twenty minute thing on how they made it. It's incredible.
My kids and I are watching Stranger Things.
Strangers that's a lovely watch with the children.
That's nice.
Well not season four.
Why they scaring them?
They saw that motherfucker Vicram whatever his name is, and they got that ship that was the fucking Demi Gordon, all of that stuff. None of that really scared them. But then they saw that motherfucker Victrum is that his name, Victim.
Like that whatever it is, that was a rap.
Stranger Things season four took a pause.
They were like, they said, we'll be back when we're a little older. They got time.
Okay, So look, I feel like there's too much Star Wars. I'm gonna be honest with you. WHOA, I feel like I love it.
Still, That's what I'm talking about.
I kind of feel like there's too much right now.
You're just realizing that.
Well, I mean, too much is the troblem.
It worked for Marvel, like Marvel had a lot going on, and now we're sideways.
Like if I like raspberries, yeah, and I have raspberry jam, and I have raspberries on my cereal, and I have raspberry sun and I have a raspberry taste in my sparkling water. At a certain point, I'm gonna be sick of raspberries.
I don't know, man, I don't know that's totally fair in a butter cups, you know what I mean, You're still like there's certain things that.
I'm saying you're saturated. You as a consumer oversaturated.
I disagree, home boy. I don't think Star Wars is that not overset.
But I don't think I'm I don't think.
I don't think I'm oversaturated with Star Wars like I don't. I mean, I think there's too much Star Wars storytelling right now. I don't. It's hard to explain because my life is Star Wars. Look at my background Star Wars. I adamate Star Wars. So I don't think there's too much Star Wars. But there's too much Star Wars, you know what I mean, Like it's just like Star Wars total.
And that's the problem, Like there's not enough Star Wars that is working currently, and that's really the problem. I feel like with if two shows this year, maybe we don't even know if we're gonna get the No. Three potentially three, if they decided to release a skeleton crew at the end of the year. I think I would love for them to do a pause like they did on the movies with the TV shows and be like, what was really making and Or and I think it's two of the Mandalorian work.
You hit on the heil, the nail on the head drawl. I think and Or fucked everything up because.
It really did.
I know. Rogue one is the beginning of it. Rogue one was the beginning of it because it got a little bit, it got a little bit more gritty in Rogue one, and then and Or fucking shot everything down.
And Or.
So I'm watching House House of Dragons, and I know that that Star Wars needs to be family friendly, I'm told, But the level of production, the level of filmmaking, design sets, costumes, script acting, oh my god, if it you know if Star Wars could be on that level like I think and Or was, But I mean, you'd have a new fan in me. This gentleman that we are lucky enough to have on the show is someone I've always found hilarious. So I'm very excited to have Tony Hale on the show today. Donald, do you know this little bit of trivia that Joelle gave us in our notes that I'm sure you didn't read that he was in a live stage reading of Star Wars The Phantom Menace and he played Qui gone gin.
Qui gon jin qui, gon jin qi gone?
Yeah, Qui gone gin.
Well, we will have to discuss that with him.
Yeah, maybe he's a Star Wars head like you if he's doing live readings.
I mean either that or he was trying to get into a Star Wars.
Yeah, like you did you know that he played Did you know that he is Chucky's dad on Rugrats the original?
No, in the remake from twenty twenty one going forward, though, which is really cool.
I think, Yeah, yeah, I audition for that. I didn't get it, So I did you really that? I'm going to have to call my mom and tell my mom it's not going to happen. You did an audition for that, do you remember that it's not going to happen?
Mom?
Oh, my parents. My dad was the worst. He'd be like, whatever happened with that thing? And you have to be like, Dad, I auditioned for that like four months ago. I promise you. I promise you. And then a lot of people out there listening know how your parents can be whether even if you're not an actor, it's your job. They're like, whatever happened to that thing? And I'm like, I promise you. You will be the first person I call when there's good news. Literally literally, I will get the good news. I will hang up and call it.
Right.
That's what happened with Scrubs. I literally called you ten seconds after I talked to Bill Laurence. So every time my dad would be like oh oh, and then he would literally go ah, disappointed, And I'm like, you're disappointed. I'm disappointed. I'm disabouting. Now I have to go because I've got four tables set and I don't even think I put the absent on table four. I'm disappointed. Yeah, Dad, I'm disappointed too. I told you what he said. We saw Titanic right, we went to ze Titanic together. I told this, sorry, no, we come out of Titanic and I've got like swiping away tears and we're all just so blown away by how incredible the movie was in the theater and and there's got a long pause and my dad goes, huh that Leo, he's about your age, isn't.
He Jesus Christ? Oh yeah, it's like that line from Fleabag and what had Jesus done by thirty three?
Oh?
Man? I was like, yeah, Dad, yeah, same h. You gotta get home and charge the Walkies for tomorrow's music video. Oh my gosh, all right, let's let let's bring in the legendary Tony Hale kind of stories.
I'm not sure we made about a bunch of he said he's a story.
Hi, Tony.
I was thrown with a no zoom. I didn't know what was happening.
We want to fancy, we have a fancier thing now because we want to have a beautiful four K image of your face.
And they can they can get it on this.
That's really nice, guys. I'm a fan of both hosts, not just one.
We are a fan of you. Thank you, thank you.
And Tony. That's our producer Joel and our engineer Mia.
Hi, guys, I'm sorry for the delay and my tech, my tech, my handicap of technology.
No, it's fine. We're so happy you're here.
Man.
We are major fans of yours and we're very geekd to have you on the show. Yes, yes, you know you and sitting and I was sitting thinking about Tony Hale before I came on the show, and don't you I was trying to think of actors who have achieved the very rare feat of going from one hit comedy directly into another hit coming into another, like do you know, are you guys in a secret club?
Oh?
It's so weird. Do you ask? I can't talk about it. No, I I was thinking the other day somebody asked me, like, Tony, you know, your career made such great choices, And I thought when I started out, I wasn't in a place to make choices. I was just so grateful for a gig, you know, and then just you know, by God's grace, then Veep came along and they wanted me, you know, I was like just so thankful to be there. So I don't know how it happened just to be on these grades.
So you look at so you look at do you look at Veep as the ultimate success? So I look at it like this mel Brooks put out young Frankenstein and so good and blazing saddles back to back. Right, that's a feat that when it comes to comedy. I'm sorry, I don't know who.
There are very.
Few actors out there that can go from a show like Arrested.
Development YEP to Veep's. That's like unheard of.
I was trying to think of anybody else who's done it. I gave I gave myself Kelsey Grammar, but it's a little bit cheating going from Cheers to Fraser's a little bit.
Cheating spin off.
Then I want to shout out Neil Flynn, who did go from Scrubs to the Middle at all. But Tony, I just think that Arrested to Veep is pretty major. I mean they were both pivotal, pivotal, beloved mega comedies.
Yeah, I am like, you're still just so grateful. I mean, keep in mind, like there was about five, five or six years between them where there were times when I was like, as my wife, I was like, are we gonna have to sell our house. So it's you know, it's they didn't happen right after. But I don't know, man, I'm just so grateful because you know, I mean, we've all done gigs that were not necessarily huge fans of the writing. You know, you do something and you're obviously we're always grateful for work, but sometimes you're doing something you're like, oh, I wouldn't do it this way. But I'm just, you know, keep thankful for the job to be a part of something that I found funny. Yeah, you know, like into and you guys know, like what's so great for a comic actor is the element of surprise where it's like you're reading it and all this all of a sudden arrested developments, like you know, by the way a seal's going to eat your hand, you know, and you're like, sorry, that was not in the framework at all.
I love that show so much, dude. I I was on it.
I was, and you were on the gag reel, which I've watched over and over and over. Do you know what I'm talking about?
You know, but I would love to see it.
Oh, dude, I'll send it. I'll send it to you if you get your personal information. That's why I just want to get your person.
It's four two four public. But I but I got to tell you, I was so honored to be on the show, and I I just wanted to be a part of that universe because I was so crazy. But tell us a little about getting it, because I think our audience likes to hear these stories. Donald and I have shared our stories on Scrubs. But did you feel that it just fit you like a glove? Because for me, I auditioned for so many things and didn't get anywhere, and then when I read Scrubs, I was like, oh, I genuinely find this hilarious. I bet I'm going to be able to do a much better audition. Was that a similar thing for you?
We heard? But before you can do and also speak on if you will, it's a place double question speak on to four years in between and like what that's like because when I started off, I got clueless and I thought that's it. I'm off and we're fire and here we go. And it took years until Scrubs came along again.
Totally. I am so getting it well, I had been. I don't know if you guys have lived in New York. I was in New York for about six or seven years doing commercials, and I mean before that, I was doing like every job under the sun, just to make ends meet. But then when commercials came around, I was kind of I was kind of typecast as the guy who's not all there. And I just started getting these commercials of like just the guy wide eyed and like what you know, just that kind of guy. Yeah, and having a great time. I met my wife in New York, just so thankful to be working. And then a commercial casting director. Well, let me say this, it took me like six years to find a manager and an agent to send me out for a TV and film because they just saw me as a commercial actor. And so finally when I got someone to kind of see me beyond that. Then Marcia de Bonis, who was cast commercials, she was casting arrested development, and since I was kind of in this maybe type, she was like, huh, buster is not all there? Let me just bring in Tony, And you know, I went in and I just remember at the time, Christopher Guest movies were really like waiting for Guffman to just come out, and just like really kind of out of the box. And I remember reading this and thinking, God, this is so different because typically before this with comedy, people weren't really you were really thinking about it. Like on a drama, you really take the time to like, oy, so what is that mean? And who's this person? And you really happened to think. With comedy people just kind of liked it washing over you. You didn't really want to take the time. It wasn't really dense material, whereas Arrested it was so dense. There were so many jokes, there were so many callbacks, like Tobias joined the Blue Man group because he thought I was a support group for to press men, you know, and it was like it was like all these levels, you know, and like I was had massive motherish, I mean, all this kind of stuff, and so I was like, God, this is so intense. I'm surprisedly when this gets made. And so finally I got cast, which was completely blew my mind. I remember when I got casts weird. We immediately shot the pilot when I was out there, and I remember my only memory is I had to run to Old Knavy because I ran out of underwear because I hadn't packed enough underwear, like to like finish shooting the show, and so I did that and then came back and I was like, I get that was a great experience. And then ten days before I got married, the show got picked up and I was like, honey, I think, I think we're moving to LA and I just kind of and it was, you know, it's one of those things. And I talk about this a lot, and I apologize if people have heard it, but I was so overwhelmed. I had never been on a studio lot. I had never had that much, you know, I don't know, just I didn't I didn't know what a manager was. I didn't know. I was just so overwhelmed, and I remember having this moment of oh man, I thought I would feel differently, you know, because I had given so much power to I just wanted to sitcom. I just wanted a sitcom. And those first two years were like a real awakening of huh this, I've given this a lot of weight, and nothing can match the weight I've given it. And so it was it was a kind of like a two years of feeling kind of what now. And then after that, you know, I kind of got into therapy and I realized I haven't been present for most of my life, you know. I it's that whole thing if and I've said this, but like, if you're not practicing contentment where you are, you're not going to be content when you get what you want. And I got what I want and I just had not been practic to seeing being present most.
I love that so much, you know. And I fell as somewhere I feel a similar thing, and I think I related. I I think I continue to relate in my own life now where I no matter where you are, sorry, I only should speak for myself. No matter where I am, I find myself going what's next, what's next?
What course?
And I really, like you just said, aspire so much to be to focus on being the same.
And it's not even thinking that you're kind of as in this business and we're all grateful to be in it, but you get that guys, that question like what's next for you? What's next for you? And we're kind of trained to think like that. And you to your question, Donald, like when it was over, I was like, shit, what is next? And when nothing came, it was a big lesson. And this is I love to talk to kind of acting students, you know, and they always ask about, you know, how did you do it? And stuff? And I always love to say, first, hey, if you're getting into this business, there is so much rejection, invest in your community before you vest in your career, because it's the community that's going to give you longevity, because this business sees you one way, and your friends and your community will see you beyond how they see you. And that is what really those five or six years and to this day, I mean, we're gig the gig. It is my family, my friends who see me beyond that that really keep me on it. I mean that's one hundred percent Troo.
I love that.
I think that all the time. I mean, it's funny what you were saying about why did you take when reporters ask you, why did you, you know, take this route with this role, Like I love that girl, that girl, young woman, Rachel Zegler. She was on some press line and they were like, why did you do that? Why did you why this movie? Rachel? And she was like, I needed a job. I always feel that way as an actor, you know, unless it's some little indie you did, I'm always like because they wanted to hire me.
Exactly. It's Indy, You're like, why did you take it? Well, first of all, they said, we want you.
Totally, totally, and I love I love that you guys have stayed so close because you've just the I think the power again of the community of it. It's beyond it's beyond the work. It's the relationships. And you know, I'm really close and I see the arrested guys every now and then, but really close with the veep Vat community like Veep family, and man, that's the stuff that has carried on. I mean, we're so the show is so fun, but just laughing about memories and like, oh yeah, that's just everything.
Some of the best and beyond the scrubs cast that I'm still we're all still close. I did a play. I did a Broadway show and I'm some of the best friends of my life doing that show. Yeah, it's a long outlasted the six month run we had, and yeah, what was that?
Can I ask what was I was in it? I did a play about three years ago and it really was. I'm so glad I did it because it got me past a lot of.
I want to talk about that because I read I read a little something you had said. Because my brilliant producer Joelle gave us some homework on you. I wanted to talk to you about that because I have stage fright too, and I think a lot of people be surprised to hear like, oh, you seem like someone who wouldn't and I was reading that you dealt with it too.
The person that doesn't have stage fright is Hugh Jackman. He the only one that is like, God, I'm the stage here I come. He's the only one.
Do you know why?
I will keep it one hundred with you. There are so many actors that don't do theater, really good actors. You know why, because they're scared.
Yes, goodness, truth, I'm very scared, and my fear is mainly going up on the lines and not knowing where the hell I am. I did a production of I never said this to anybody, I don't think, but I did a production of Romeo and Juliet in regional theater in Connecticut when I was out of Northwestern, and I would go early and our dressing room it was an outdoor production in front of like two twenty five hundred people in the summer, and if you know the Romeo and Juliet Romeo starts talking and doesn't really stop that much for three hours. And I would go early and sit in this church in the pews and recite every single one of my lines for the show, because I was so nervous the concept, the idea that I would forget the poetry of three hours of poetry. And there was the only thing I could think to do that would sue it would be to get there early and run the whole play before you show. Yeah, but so speak to your version.
Of My version of that is that I would have a panic attack on stage. My version was that I would you know, I was doing it. This play I did at American Conservatory Theater was a pretty much a one man play and then an actor comes in toward like seventy five percent into it, and I thought, oh this Every night, I was like, this is the night I'm going to have a panic attack on stage. Because I had a panic attack when high school. And it's amazing how things get really locked in. And I had one in high school, and ever since then it just had become this you know, almost dark terror. And I remember going to this therapist and doing I had started doing cognitive behavioral therapy where you kind of rather than rather than being such a victim to your thoughts and your feelings, you're a little more of an observer to your thoughts and your feelings. And I remember every night he would say, hey, when you kind of hear those thoughts or those voices or you have those feelings, turned to that fear. I remember Bill Hayter said something about this recently, kind of like this too, but turn to that fear and say, hey, I appreciate you being here. I know you're trying to help. I'm going to go to the play and I'll be back. And it was the first time because before what I would do is like Tony, just buck up, almost just try to block it out. You got this and psych yourself up. And for me, I'm not saying for anybody else. For me, it only made it bigger. It only made that anxiety and fear bigger. And the minute I started kind of embracing it and not trying to cut it off, it just it's not like it wasn't there, but I was more of like, I mean, this kind of relates to that I just did inside out too, and it's like a little more like, hey, this emotion is trying is actually trying to help you, you know, it's it's thinking, it's helping you, and just kind of have a little more compassion towards it. And it every night it dissipated it. I still had those feelings when I was right before, but I was like, hey, man, I really appreciate it. I know you're trying to help. I'm gonna go do it and I'll be back.
We can have this conversation after, yeah, sure we could. We could, we could go through this after, but right now, I need to go and handle this business real quick.
Yes, exactly exactly.
And also part of it is excitement. I think it's the adrenaline. It's an adrenaline rush, right totally. So part of that adrenaline is I'm so excited to go out there and kick ass, and it isn't And it is a tightwire act because you know, they might not laugh at one of the jokes and I need to just pick up and keep going. There might be I remember doing bullets were probably there was someone literally asleep in the front row one night, like you just don't know what you're gonna see. I never told you that story. I say out red bull and intermission to the person, Wow.
You got wow?
I listen. It was so distracting. I think I assume it was a tourist. I made this up, so I don't know, but the story I made in my head was that it was a tourist who had just flown in and was jet lagged. None of that I don't have any confirmation about. But but he or she I forgot was asleep past asleep in the front row and an intermission, which is very hard because when you're an actor on stage those of you who aren't stage actors. Depending on the lighting, but for the most part, I could say, and doing Broadway, I could only see the first five or so rose. Everything else is in darkness, so it's very distracting because it was front and center, front row. So I said to the one of the stage managers, I said, will you will you give this red bull to to that person and and just say like, hey, here's this is from Zach And it's a little distracting having you having you sleep in her role. So I get out there for act too, and it was like weekend at Bernie's. They had taken you know, these cushions they have for for like kids, like a booster seat, and they had wedged them behind and beside the person and they were sort of propped upward, and they were and they were holding the red bull but still nacked f down fast asleep.
Wow. It's also like you want to you kind of want to get him a gift card to the restaurant next door. Just be like, hey, man, go and joer yourself over there, or just.
Or like go lie down.
You're very Yeah. I got two stories for you, go ahead. One. I was in the audience when I was on stage. One. I fell asleep when I was very young, in front of Jason Robards, and at the end of the play, he blew a kiss to me, like you mother, good night, Or at least that's how I looked at it, because to.
This day you don't know. It might have been his relative right behind him, right, that.
Might have been his thing.
But he blew a kiss to the audio, but it looked like he was looking at me when he blew that shit.
Right, YEA.
One night I was. I feel like I was.
The cause for why the show didn't go well. I was doing Picasso at the Lapent Jill at the Old theater and it's me and Justin Long Lisa Lapiro, who you just worked with on Inside Out to a bunch of people. Right. So, anyway, I start the show off with the joke there's something in the air tonight and I sneeze, right, Yeah, that starts the show off every night. It gets a laugh. This night, something got caught in my throat, but I had to get the sneeze out and a lot of mucuses came, oh so much so that the person in the front row. The people in the front row went ill like it was that bad. Oh god, I've now look, I've fallen on stage. I've hurt myself and kept going and people be like, oh wow, he hurt himself. This was the first time where I could tell I'm not everybody's out everybody, I have just ruined the fucking show. Justin comes on stage. He's the first person on the second person on stage. We have a conversation. His joke, his first joke, nobody laughs, his second joke, nobody laughs, My next joke, nobody laughs. We look at each other and we kind of smirk, like, oh shit, this is gonna be a long night.
But it was also one of these one.
Of those motherfuckers, like, who's gonna go big enough to try and get Are you.
Gonna go big enough to get this last?
You're gonna I can try and hold it back.
It was one of the but it started because of a tickle in the throat that I tried to surpass and keep going.
Oh man, it was yeah, but it was one.
Of the worst nights.
But then it becomes a game that it's.
Like now, are like, now, now let's play.
Let's yeah, yeah, yeah, you know when you guys were talking, it's I always think like it's all for me. It's all based in the terror of shame and embarrassment.
You know.
It's like, you know, if you forget your lines, if you spit you know the mucus, if I have a pant, It's like, what is that going to be like? When I'm that exposed, when I'm that terrified, you know, And it's like ever since I was a kid, that's the base of it.
You know.
I once hosted SNL and I was it was like my dream come true and everyone was like, were you so nervous? And I said, of course. But I have to say my biggest fear in performing is that I'm going to forget my lines, whereas when I hosted said, now my lines are everywhere that you know, there's so many there's four sets of que card people. So I was, of course nervous. It was live TV. But my biggest performing fear that I'm gonna somehow And the second you forget a line for a second, ones adrenaline can then surge and start talking to you, and you're like, you're not gonna remember anything.
Yes, were you calmer? Were you calmer with those lines in front of you?
You know?
Obviously it was balanced out by the insanity of like, oh my god, I'm doing this like life change and it's live and it's tests to know and all that. But I but I remember feeling like way less nervous that the lines were everywhere. I mean, I feel like I could do any play any day if the lines are everywhere. You know, these older these older folks, now you have have some some older actors now use an earwig, which is a tiny lit layer piece that goes in your ear. Uh, So they have the comfort of knowing like if you forget the line, someone's gonna whisper it to you.
Uh, that would be kind of stabilizing for me, there are people that can actually do that.
I've worked with somebody who does it.
Wow.
Well, no, film acting is different than the theater.
Bro. You can continue to talk and they can continue to save their lines and they're just regurgitating what they.
Hear and live like like like like live.
Yeah, that's pretty impressive. It's like that's a skill in itself.
Yeah.
The fact that you can't remember the lines, the fact that you can hear this motherfucker talking to you over your over your voice right now is impressive.
But also don't sorry ahead.
Go ahead, Tony, you're the guests.
No please. Also, does it remind you of every uh, everybody in the A D Department when they're talking to you on set. Uh, they always got those those ear pieces and they're kind of talking to you, and all of a sudden they just kind of dis else.
You're like some of them, some of them have at least the courtesy to put their hand up, like.
Yeah, yeah, not most of them.
All Right, we're gonna take a quick break and then when we come out back, we're gonn talking about VIEB for a second, because I don't know if there's ever been a show that made me laugh as hard as so We'll be right back. Oh my god, that was a long breakication. Yeah, Tony, wasn't that awesome audience. I wish we could go through all the things we talked about on break, but we don't have time. Tony. I heard a rumor, and tell me if this is true that you guys would actually really rehearse or improvise and the scripts would be written from that can, which which is nothing I've ever heard of before and sounds amazing. What is that?
Yeah, it's not I mean they, I mean I. I came more from a sketch background. I didn't come from an improv background. And when you're working with someone like Matt Walls, she was one of the founders of Upright Citizens Brigade, I was a little intimidating because I was like, Oh, crap, is this like a totally improv show? And it wasn't. It was Armanda Nucci who created the show and all of his writers, and then David Mandel took over. They really gave us like a script and then we would just kind of put it on its feet just to kind of see if it gelled. And that to me, what that afforded was oh, we got words, we got a base, and then if anything else comes out, you know, if any kind of funny bits comes out, any kind of funny physicality. Like Julia and I, I was obviously her kind of bag man, and we would always be like, Okay, we got the words. Now let's play and see if like Okay, if you drop your code here, I'll try to snag it here. You know, then we kind of fund out come up with a lot of fun physicality.
During those rehearsals before shooting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like they we would. When Ormanda was in charge, we would rehearse sometimes like a week and we would rehearse like three or four scripts.
And that's never I think that, but because I hate the fact when you go home, I hate going home feeling like I should have done it this way. I left this on the table and told every actor feels that way no matter what, no matter how long the day is. At some point in the take you're like, all right, I gotta get through this shit, man.
Fuck yeah. And then you got that you.
Got to clarify for the audience just in case everyone else. For the most part, when we do Cereal television, like this, we get the scripts, we rehearse the scene in the morning or what let's just say it's the morning scene, and then we block it out, we figure out what the jokes, how everyone's going to be, and then we go and film film it. In this rare case, they were actually rehearsing as you would play.
For three weeks.
Yeah, like yeah, sometimes like there was way one or two weeks, like but a lot of scripts and then but to your point, Donald, the worst is because that is incredibly rare, and I was very fortunate to go through imp I know. And typically to your point, Donald, when you I would say something and you're like, oh, I know there's something else. I know I could do more, and then they're like, all right, let's turn around, meaning let's go to the other angle away from me. And I'm like, ah, I don't think I did. Can I do it? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. On television you get like literally, really if you're if if the show's moving well, you'll.
Get three takes, four takes, and.
Then they're moving on you. It's pretty ballsy for them to say, Okay, we're gonna move on. It's pretty ballsy for not to be like, can I get another one? And then you feel like a right, and then they give it to you, and then afterwards you like, can I.
Get one more?
We're on of chances.
You got to you gotta get.
The yeah, you know what I mean, or you get that, or you get that look after you do it when you ask for one more and they're like, I didn't see anything different.
It's what did you do?
What did you do?
What would you do different?
Right?
You must have laughed so hard. I mean I I just thought that show was so fun. I didn't want it to end. I just thought it was And now, more than ever, I think so much of it is it feels like it's real life.
Uh. I think that's why a part of why we did stop because it started to Julia says, when you kind of think you're doing a bit of a documentary, you know, you're like this. The parallel that was happening in politics was a little it was its own sitcom.
And also I think that's universal to both parties. It seems to me is that I never really see anything about the vice president, Like they get in office and then I don't really know what in either party what they're doing, and the two.
Most famous vice presidents are Bush and Biden, and that's because they became president after they were vice president.
No, but I'm just saying if you just use Kamala and Pence just as an example, Okay, it's so I can say that. I think it's universal. Like I don't know what either of them have really done. It seems like they have a really interesting story to tell. And that's why I appreciated about the comedy of it all.
You know what that makes me think of Gary would always stand behind Julia and he wasn't allowed to talk like Julia Selena never really wanted Gary to talk, to the point where I was called a bitchy mime because I just all I had was my nonverbal And it kind of think the vice president's kind of like that, like they just kind of stand back and just give some nonverbal.
Every now and then. Yeah, just not.
Can we go back to what you said when you said you guys would improvisee you guys would improvise physicality. Yeah, that's that's a different form of improvisation right there. So we just turn into stunts with this turned into pratfalls like any of your stuff.
Yeah, yeah, I mean a good I love a good prat fall. It was I think because because Gary really couldn't speak, physicality was his language, Like that was kind of like the face. And Selena as the president and the vice president, couldn't really be honest with her speeches. But my character had this like my nonverbal could be her honesty. So she was talking to someone who was kind of an ass and she was all nice. I was just in the back, like what a do? And so that was really fine, but also something there was. I remember there was one scene where we were at a museum and she wasn't president anymore, and they had like roped off the president desk and she just wanted a taste of like what it felt again to be at the president's deskin. She went over, She went over the rope and sat there, and then people came in and that's when we were like, okay, now we can have some fun. So I tried to get her over the railing and then she I caught her right before her face hit before. I mean that kind of fun like stuff to make you know.
How many cameras did you guys have?
We had? It was single yeah.
Okay, so on arrested you guys had like five cameras, but it's still camera.
Not five.
I had so many, but it's still considered single.
How many you're confusing our audience, not.
Because you know what you guys know what I mean. You can bring I know.
But terms let me explain for the audience, just because this can get confusing. Traditionally it used to be multiicam meant the old school live in front of an audience with a laugh track, like Friends, for example, And then when the new show started coming along, like Scrubs and like The Office and like Arrested, they started calling them single camera, meaning we were shooting them like a movie on sets there was no audience. And then for time and budget, people started adding more cameras, being like, let's get more coverage at the same time, so we would shoot two cameras for the most part on Scrub. We still shoot two or three on on Shrinking these days. And I remember Arrested was was at least when I was, there was at least two handheld right because it was supposed to be a documentary, so that was all handheld style, right.
Yeah, yeah, because they kind of pitched it like documentary style. We had some I think sometimes when they had three cameras, we were like, oh, this is a this is a special day. And nowadays three camera for a single for a single camera show, which does I know that's confusing, that's kind of typical.
I feel, Yeah, that's what we do. That's what we're doing on shrinking and h and it's pretty great. It's pretty Yuh. I like it.
You can get so much, but get to Cara asking, that's what I was asking. If you do a pratfall like that, you can't the chances of getting that comedy right over and again.
Yes, yes, good call. And it's even with improv because it not just physicality, but it's like with improv when people are coming up with stuff on the fly, you want those two cameras on either sides to catch.
Yeah.
Actually, that's a big thing now more than ever. That's another thing audience is called cross covering, when we never used to do back in the day. But the cinematographers finding ways to shoot both directions at the same time. So if an actor is improving left and right, the other person can be improving back and you're not having this. You're not having to go back and go, Okay, what were the funny things that you said, because I now want to respond to them.
And the challenge with that is it's really hard not to break because when people are coming up with stuff on the fly and you're like, you need a super here, supernatural power to not laugh. And when Julia Louis Drives is next to you and she's come up with stuff. She told me once and I've said this many times, but she told me this once, like Tony, you know you're not watching the show. You're in the show.
Because I just could not.
I could not keep it together. There was one scene where she had her character told me like she wanted me to break up with her boyfriend for her, and we were we were face to face, so close, I was kissing, and I was like, this is a supernatural strength to keep it together. My body was shaking and I had to make I mean, it's like, forget about it.
I mean, we do that to Donald and I would crack each other up and we couldn't. We'd have to. I remember trying to.
Do it was on film too.
I would try remember like bite, I would bite my cheek, I would bite, would places myself and then you get thinking.
About sad stories. Like I would think about, like someone dying.
I would think everyone's pissed at me. I was like, everyone's doesn't. No one thinks this is funny. Everybody wants to go home. Stop giggling. You get the giggles, and then you're screwed.
You do get the giggles.
Let's take a break.
We'll be right back after these fine words. Let's talk about your new show, because I watched the pilot and it was really really.
Yes, yes, thank you.
I watched it too, and I don't watch it, but I watched the pilot and I am going to continue to watch.
It's really how do you say it? The Decameron, the Cameron, the Cameron.
You know.
We we shot in Italy for six it's beautiful.
So these are all practical sets.
Then this is no, no, that's there's definitely a big as set.
Right well we yeah, the big asset was in the villa, which yeah, beautiful. It was chi Chiita. These are, by the way, these names, these Italian names. I say, I completely left up the per first three weeks of being there, and then after after time I got used to it. But Cheta is where we shot, and and then when we did exteriorst like the castle. We would go to these gorgeous places and do that stuff.
It's so beautiful, beautiful. I was so envious looking at all these exterior locations. I never know, other than when Donald and I went to the Bahamas for scrubs, I don't think I've ever worked in some place as it was beautiful.
And the Italians are very I mean, They're artistry is great. They're honest people. They're honest people.
I was.
I had this costume, I war had this belt, and it's well. For those who don't know, it takes place during the Bubonic plague during thirteen forty eight.
I think The Great is a good reference point. Yes, yeah, if people know the show The Great, it's sort of a highly stylized period style. It was very modern elements in modern music, but set you know in what fourteen.
Something, yeah, fourteenth century, thirteen forty eight, And it's kind of the writer Kathleen Jordan wrote it during the pandemic as a way of kind of processing the uncertainty and fear that we were all experiencing. And it's it's kind of like a I play the kind of and if you think of doubt Nabbey. I kind of played like the carson, like the kind of the head of the downstairs right. I would say very darker.
Glory nabb Glory's wig glorious, oh my.
Just gorgeous, I mean my hair. And the Italians, I'm not kidding, they would always say, Tony your head, that hey, that wig looks so beautiful, so beautiful. And after a while I was like, hard not to be insulted because I'm like, this is not my hair does not look this good, and I have to take this off.
They're getting credit like it's your hair.
Yeah, And I said, guys, I can't glue this on my head every day, and this one Italian goes, ah, maybe you should, and I was like, okay, let's settle down, man. And then there's another guy. I had my costume and I said, hey, can you make this belt a little tighter? And he goes, no, you have an odd shape. And I was like sorry, and he goes, what you do you.
I loved about the show is that other than you.
And Sasha Sasha Mammot good Saja Mammon.
Sorry. I would never said her name out loud, but she's very funny. But I'll youtwo. I hadn't seen any of these people before, and I love shows that introduced me to all these new actors.
It was a lot of funny Sias Shamanica Jackson who was on that show Dairy Girls, which I started watching when I got this. So funny, I mean, just a lot of Tanya Reynolds, who is I did not watch it, but the show Sex Education, and just a lot of UK actors and really funny.
Who's the woman who plays the main the woman who steals the identity of her of her?
Yeah, Tanya Reynolds, she's the one. Very very good, very good, And it's just it was so fun and I also I will say it wasn't just the script is so good and shows really and it has an arc. I don't I was talking to somebody about this recently. I don't know if you guys. I don't think you guys did, because you guys did. But what my other characters like Buster or Gary, they kind of get stuck in a kind of an emasculated role and that's kind of the funny, like they never really grow. Yeah, it was really nice on the show to have a full arc, like it's a limited series. You really see you know, he has an awareness and he makes mistakes and then he kind of retreats and comes back. And that was nice.
Well the pilot. I only saw the pilot, but man, it sets up so much mayhem. Yes, I thought that was It's a really good pilot because you go just I mean, it's a testament to the writing because not only does it set up so many characters, but so many different subplots and stories, and I.
Would say it takes its time to bring it all together and just filing alone. Yeah.
Yeah, that's something she was talking about recently that she was inspired kind of by Amadeus and like the favorite and and there was a sense of kind of sitting in the tension a lot like and also there we all use our dialect where it's not the same dialect very because she said, similar to Amadeus, and she kind of like, yeah.
Well, Denzel. People have been joking about the the New Gladiator siler because Denzel is just like, I'm just going to be Denzel.
I'm surprised he's like not my man. In the trailer.
We like it, my man, I love it.
Listen, nobody cares, by the way. Everyone just like.
He got a bow and arrow. At some point, I'm like, this motherfucker kick ass.
Did you say there's a trailer?
Yeah, now this is what they got me.
Listen.
He was under the impression that it's the Mandalorian dude that's the start a.
Movie, Petroscal.
Yeah, it's not him.
It's his lookalike brother dude, like the dude, the dude that they got to play here the it's.
It looks like you don't know. This guy is very famous. Donald what's his name, Paul Paul something, Paul Mescal, Paul Scow.
He even got the same name, Peal, Paul Paul. I'm just saying, man, it kind of sound the same, potato Potato Pascal.
They're both incredible. Pedro Piscal even in the movie.
Yes, yes he is in the movie.
To be honest, I just saw the memes. I have yet to see the trailer, but I saw all they fight a rhino.
I think that they came. I think they were there or came right after we finished a camera and at the stages that we were shooting.
Yea, there's a scene which was a quirky sidekick.
That motherfucker.
I'm here, there's a rewrite. Denzel Denzel now has a quirky Hey.
Denzel, you look dirty.
I'm just saying, man, there's a scene where they fill the Colosseum up with water and have a boat fight in the coliseum.
I don't know who told was a real thing.
Yeah, it was me and you.
That's what we were having this conversation with somebody. They used to do that.
Oh yeah, if you that's one thing I did do a lot's go to the Colisseum and it was fascinating.
What do you do there?
Just walking around? I just walked around and then they you kind of go downstairs where you know, they brought the animals up and then yeah, and the and the fighters and just it was so atrocious. It's so atrocious. But there was also something really, I don't know, existential about it, Like at the time it was the just pinnacle of wealth and then you just now everything's been stripped away, and it's like, man, just that's what happens with that equation is just that atrocious.
And it happened like that too. It was like the Fall of Rome was like that.
I'm sorry this is a dumb question, but is the coliseum just a museum thing you visit or can they still throw shows there.
No, it's not a stupid question. It's right now. It's a it's a museum.
It's good because probably suck it up. They'd get all drunk and like, piss on it.
Yeah, just just piss on it.
No, you know you can't trust What are you going to do tonight?
I'm going to go.
Getting done to your hammer And you're at the concert and you're like, I got to pee. The toilets are so far Just be here, bro, all right, I'll pee you.
Just sounds like a personal experience for you, Zach.
I'm just saying I want to protect nice things and can't have nice things.
Cut to tomorrow's story, Zach, bravit Taylor Swift and just peeing on the I.
Went and Donald was my date to Taylor Swift and I used the toilet.
Can we talk about just for two seconds.
Anything you want? You the.
Thank you for reminding me the the movement. My my my daughter is a swiftye and the the coding of it all is fascinating to me. Like she I guess she went to some her premiere and she was wearing a blue dress that had kind of cuts in the dress and I was like, oh, that's interesting. It looks like and my daughter goes, oh no, no, no. She was wearing this nail polish in this concert and it was light blue and there was lines in it and was really into this album. And I'm like, this is like an escape room.
Yeah. She she sincerely drops Easter eggs with everything she does.
Man, it's like a show lost. Yeah, there's so many clues.
Yeah, and you have to be a fan. You have to be a real die hard fan to understand it. Yeah, you know that. Does Beyonce do that too? Like I feel like she does all kind of do that.
Joelle is furiously nodding audience.
She does when I did that commercial.
Yea commercial. By the way, we had that in common. We we both are of us, all four of us, not only Superman. You you chill for another brand that shall not be mentioned. But we have to ask you to mention him and you try and men out. Yeah we are a T mobile podcast. But but wait, Tony, we're bearing the lead. What was it like working with Beyonce, babe?
Well, I mean, I uh so I got First of all, they called and and say, hey, are you interested in doing a Super Bowl ad? Which, by the way, anytime they say are you interested, it's like, why are you? Why don't you just book me and just say show.
Up, Hey, Tony, it's Beyonce and a giant check. What are you doing? Are you busy?
Oh, it's so funny. I'm having coffee with a friend. Can't but I uh so they said that, and then they said it's with a music artist and I was like, oh, that's cool. And then they said Beyonce and I was like sorry, and my daughter had just been to her concert, and I, you know, I don't get a lot of cool dad points. You know, it's she doesn't really anything I do. She's she's I mean, first of all, buster Bluth, like what she could be like my dad's Buster Blue but no, no, but it's no, she is very proper, but like she doesn't watch a lot of this stuff. But I couldn't tell her that I would have done this because we signed an NDA and it wasn't until it, you know, it aired, that she was able to see it. But my point in that was that we did some kind of teasers before it, kind of some coding, and I was at a lemonade stand and then I was next to the horse. What's the horse name? The glittered horse?
Oh my god, yes, but my daughter, you know the picture of the horse, just a picture of the horse house.
She is, She's amazing. But my daughter immediately got it because they're so used to this coding, like everything.
Is beyon Is it Beyonce's horse?
It was Beyond? She uses it in her concert.
Mia. Yes, Mia, you.
Know, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
You on muted and lean forward.
I'm say something and lean forward. You gotta say something, you can't mute.
I wish the audience furiously see Joel googling Beyond.
Her eyes are like this on the screen, going back and back and forth really fast.
But how was the experience?
Oh, it's great, it was great. It was I think we shot from like six am to like five am the next day. Wow. Wow, and I but it went by like I was just like it was like a front row seat to get experience, you know. And she had like nine costume changes. I was in the same outfit, so I just sat around at Craftservice all day.
So you shot that whole commercial in one day.
Well, I came back the next day to shoot kind of my reaction shots and then her and I stuff was that first day?
Did you feel nervous working with her? Did you give yourself any I've said on this podcast before sometimes when I'm working with someone of that stature, of like holy shit stature, that I give myself a little pep talks like don't don't be in your head like you don't want to when everyone sees this. You don't want to look like nervous guy.
You're so full of shit. Bro. When we first started, I remember we would go out and it would be all of these fun There's only one time where I saw him losing shit. But we would see so many famous people, and this motherfucker would be able to hand.
He would handle it no problem.
Like I'm not talking about out drinking. I'm talking about like directing Morgan Freeman.
Oh well, I mean.
Well that's different, bro, Okay, all right, hold.
On now, I would think that's interesting directing. I don't know about this. This felt a little more. I think if it's maybe it's not my age and I'm fifty almost fifty four years old, and I get excited. I get more excited now with these kind of experiences because it's an opportunity. I don't know, as someone who is so on a pedestal and just like she mean, she's so talented. I get excited about kind of seeing the humanity of someone, you know, and like she's so sweet and she's humble, and you know, she's a girl in the middle of this kind of you know, whirlwind of talent and praise and stuff, and I don't know, just kind of seeing that humanity.
As about.
Jesus Odd, I would say fifty percent of our conversation is talking about Joel. Yeah, to day, I didn't know, And now I know.
She's right about that.
Her and her and and uh Taylor Swift. Beyonce and Taylor Swift are starting a revolution right now. Man, musical revolution amongst these young ladies and.
Cowboy is incredible.
Yeah, oh man, come.
On, it is incredible.
But you know what I'm gonna say one thing. This is the one thing that I'm gonna say about it. All they knew who to go to for the hit. They both went to that post.
The Malone guy. I just didna put it out there.
They both threw it into the post, mounted down for them and late it is there. Okay, best song on both albums, Best song gonna boat that album post Malone, I will throw something at.
Least to Donald I'll fight you right now.
All right, wait too, Most wanted his dope to Most wanted his dope Like.
The bunking bunk is a bunk bunk bucket.
Sweet honey bucket, Like I love that.
Thing. I love. And there's also like it's a snap. There's like a snap snap snap snap thing. And I'm like.
Dolly Parton hang man.
Yeah, there's a lot of good telling you. They threw it into the post.
They threw it into the post, and he backed him down and dunked it for him.
What do you tell me what is unique about because I mean again I'm old about post Malone that they both went that guy.
It's just because his sound, his sound is way different than everybody else's. It's real, it's it's it comes from the eighties, but it's different. Man, Like something about post Malone. Listen, I'm a fifty year old man right now. I think he has the melodies that I'm taking that I just want to because he says the same shit that everybody else says. He sings trap music, but he just has a melody to his stuff that's really, really, really good?
Am I wrong, Joel?
Not at all. He's very musically gifted where I think, you know, like he can do a lot of different things musically, which obviously elevates you and allows you to be fluid between genres in a way that not everybody can be.
All right, we've kept it Tony long enough. Tony, remind us how to say your show? De Cameron, Cameron see the Cameron got it Cameron? And it's on Netflix? And when can people see it?
I know Netflix, We're happy to support a startup. It airs the July twenty fifth.
July twenty fifth, Everybody.
This show is epic, guys, check it out.
It's very funny, and it tells a real it tells a story, and you love to follow the characters.
So and I got to say, and if you happen to be a Scrubbs fan who has not ever watched REEP, you're really missing out. It's a very similar sense of humor and you will definitely love.
How they got nominated for not Yeah they got nominated for everything, and.
Yeah they were way more high falutin for you, guys.
I know you get this question all the time. Do you get the question all the time about like bringing it back.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we're going.
To bring it back in some capacity. It's just that our overlord and showrunner Bill Lawrence is a very busy man, but he wants to bring it back, and we all want to bring it back. It's just a matter of It's like the slot machine. It's a matter of all the things lining up and getting.
Chairs, and it's a lot. It's a big cast. It's challenging to do that.
Yeah, but I think once Bill is like, this is the moment where I can do it, and I think it'll happen.
I know that it's such a joy. That would be such a joy to reunite.
Yeah, even if it's just for for some sort of short run, would be a blast.
You get that. I get that question a lot.
I used to with the rest of it, and then they they kind of, oh, you guys did it. Yeah, we did it and Veep uh that would be fun. We kind of if you said, the finale kind of jumps ahead and she does well that's a.
Spoiler, but its tony.
But there could be something in the middle.
Maybe I hope you bring I hope you bring Veeep back.
You could go back and tell more stories. That's how we're looking.
That's what I think is going to happen.
I think we're going to go back into the exact moment where we were all in the hospital together and just tell the stories.
I feel a lot of Scrubs fans feel about Scrubs Tony. I feel like I would be so giddy if there was some announcement they're going to do a limited twelve episodes Veep is back. They're going to tell a story they didn't tell. I would.
I'd be so in that would be so dope, same same.
All right, brother, thank you for wishing that.
For you guys. Thank you guys. It was a delay.
Thanks for so much. That was amazing. What a great guest hunt, Joel, great producing. These are your flowers and your snaps.
I'm seeing them and appreciating them.
Great engineering to me.
Amazing.
Now I can't believe that Daniel.
Daniel is in danger. I know, Ranger.
I mean, you get rid of whatever that sound is in your background if you can.
I'm trying to figure it out.
I will if you can figure out why it sounds like you live on a train. Yea, we would love to have you back.
It's probably what's that if your computer fan is on on our laptop, that will create that sound right next to the mic. Yeah.
Well, Joelle, if Daniel's ever unable to make it again, I want you to book Mia and her new sound system.
A gotcha.
But Tony was a great guest, and Joelle, I seriously want to thank you. Your prep notes were really helpful and and I really you know, we're learning how to do this interview thing. It's not what Donald and I are school then. But it's a lot of fun talking to actors, isn't it.
It really is. I like that the most, to be honest with you.
It's cool to talk to people who are interesting. Well, I like talking about sex two sec. We all do, But I definitely like talking to people who have gone through the exact same experiences that we have. And I think it's something that I hope it's something that the listeners want to talk about also, because I mean, it seems glitz and glamory, but that shit, it's not you know what I mean, it's work. There's another side to it. And that's what he was trying to say. When you know, you get that first sitcom, you're like all I wanted. All I wanted was a sitcom and you get that shit and it's not exactly what you thought it was going to be.
Yeah, and then I would have never thought that. After arrested, he was like, are we gonna have to sell our house?
Yeah?
Man, you know he had that anxiety. You know, I was I misunderstood. I thought Veep kind of went right. I went right in. I didn't realize there was such a big split in the years.
There's not a lot of work out there, bro and what everybody sees is the work that you got at the time. But there's times where you're not working for years. If you're counting on acting to pay your bills, and you are blessed enough to have that ability or have that opportunity, you got to understand that in between jobs is where that money needs to be put, you know what I mean. It's just a lot of people don't know that. A lot of people look at it as I got all of this money, I'm bawling and then the freaking then you go down that roller coaster hill and.
Yeah, moist shocked when you see these new people that blew up and they're like driving like a Bentley I'm like, you shouldn't be buying a Bentley.
Go buy a Bentley bro. Go buy a Bentley bro.
You see this in only would though like someone's famous for a day and they're driving around a Bentley.
It's like, oh, bro, the first check if you burning a hole in your pocket.
I remember that first check, that first I spent the whole clueless check on a car. I'll never forget that. I got a Jeep Cherokee.
I'll never forget it.
And my mom, my mom said, red Jeep Cherokee, Laredo. My mom said to this is fucking hilarious. My mom said to me, she goes, did you learn your lesson? I said, yeah, I need to make some more money.
All right, audience, thank you for tuning in. We appreciate you, We love you. Stay safe out there, be kind. Donald counts out.
I'm not sure we made about a bunch, said, he's a story net.
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