Intro: Faith on the Fringe

Is This Teaching Actually Biblical?

Ephesians 4: What It Actually Says

The Hierarchy Claim: Who Gets Authority?

What Happens When You Question This?

The Word Until Changes Everything

Gifts of Persons, Not Titles or Offices

The Phrase That's Not in Your Bible

Where the Term Really Came From

British Israelism & Christian Nationalism

Latter Rain & New Apostolic Reformation

What Paul Was Actually Describing

Jesus on Servant Leadership

The Gentile Model Jesus Rejected

How the Enemy Works Inside the Church

The Occult Parallel No One Wants to See

Gatekeeping Access to God

When Questioning = Rebellion: Red Flag

The New Denomination No One Admits

3 Questions to Test Any Church Teaching

Soul Ties Renunciation Prayer

Christ Is Enough. You Don't Need the System.

What if one of the most widely taught leadership frameworks in charismatic Christianity was never actually in the Bible? The Racist Roots of the Five Fold Ministry: How British Israelism Shaped Modern Charismatic Church Structure.

In this episode of Faith on the Fringe, Leah and Malaine trace the hidden history of the Five Fold Ministry, the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers hierarchy taught across many Pentecostal and charismatic spaces. They begin with Ephesians 4, and how one section of Scripture became the foundation for an entire church government model. From there, they follow the language of Five Fold Ministry back through British Israelism, John Alexander Dowie, the Latter Rain movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.

This conversation exposes how a modern framework became dressed in ancient apostolic language, why servant leadership matters, how spiritual authority can turn into control, and why believers must learn to trace teachings back to their roots.

They also close with a practical three-question framework for testing any church teaching, plus a soul ties renunciation prayer for anyone who has been spiritually bound to unhealthy authority structures.

Link to the soul tie renunciation prayer here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOOPfOrV4kpNfuYdfxsVNruoz06upFityEc0SdOlzqc/edit?usp=sharing

“Truth does not need protection from scrutiny. Only deception does.”

-Leah Steele Barnett

Key Takeaways
The phrase Five Fold Ministry does not appear in Scripture, even though Ephesians 4 is often used to defend the framework.
Ephesians 4 describes gifts given to equip the body of Christ, not a hierarchy of spiritual offices ruling over the church.
The word “until” in Ephesians 4 matters because it points toward maturity in the body, not permanent institutional control.
The modern Five Fold Ministry framework traces through historical streams many believers have never been taught to examine.
British Israelism shaped parts of early restorationist and Pentecostal language in ways that still echo through modern charismatic systems.
The New Apostolic Reformation systematized Fivefold language into a global church leadership model.
Jesus taught servant leadership, humility, and direct access to the Father, not spiritual gatekeeping through human offices.
Any teaching presented as biblical truth should be tested by Scripture, history, fruit, and whether it builds up the whole body of Christ.

Featured Scripture

Ephesians 4:11-13

“So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.”

Application: Ephesians 4 is the central passage used to defend Five Fold Ministry, but the text itself points toward equipping the saints and building the body into maturity. It does not name a permanent hierarchy. It does not use the phrase Five Fold Ministry. It does not place apostles at the top of a governmental chain. The passage is beautiful, functional, and body-focused. The problem begins when a framework is laid over the text and treated as if it is the text.

Timestamps

0:00 – Intro: Faith on the Fringe
0:51 – Is This Teaching Actually Biblical?
2:36 – Ephesians 4: What It Actually Says
4:09 – The Hierarchy Claim: Who Gets Authority?
5:26 – What Happens When You Question This?
8:55 – The Word Until Changes Everything
13:27 – Gifts of Persons, Not Titles or Offices
18:26 – The Phrase That's Not in Your Bible
20:04 – Where the Term Really Came From
24:09 – British Israelism & Christian Nationalism
27:45 – Latter Rain & New Apostolic Reformation
33:08 – What Paul Was Actually Describing
38:05 – Jesus on Servant Leadership
40:55 – The Gentile Model Jesus Rejected
47:17 – How the Enemy Works Inside the Church
50:15 – The Occult Parallel No One Wants to See
54:57 – Gatekeeping Access to God
1:01:38 – When Questioning = Rebellion: Red Flag
1:06:32 – The New Denomination No One Admits
1:12:44 – 3 Questions to Test Any Church Teaching
1:19:51 – Soul Ties Renunciation Prayer
1:33:05 – Christ Is Enough. You Don't Need the System.

Resources and Connect

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

Amazon Storefront: https://amzn.to/3WscgNe
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Five Fold Ministry. A modern term used to describe apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers from Ephesians 4 as five governing offices in the church.

British Israelism. A 19th-century racial covenant theology claiming that Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, and Germanic peoples were the literal biological descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.

John Alexander Dowie. Healing revivalist and founder of Zion, Illinois, whose movement absorbed British Israelite ideas and influenced early Pentecostal streams.

Latter Rain Movement. A 1948 revival movement connected to restored apostles, prophets, impartation, and the language that later fed into modern charismatic and apostolic systems.

C. Peter Wagner. Theologian and church growth leader who popularized and systematized the language of the New Apostolic Reformation in the late 20th century.

New Apostolic Reformation. A modern apostolic and prophetic church movement that emphasizes restored apostles, prophets, church governance, spiritual authority, and cultural influence.

2000 Years of Charismatic Christianity by Eddie L. Hyatt. Mentioned as a resource for understanding charismatic history and how spiritual gifts, revival movements, and restorationist ideas developed over time.

Scriptures for Further Study

Ephesians 4:11-13. Christ gives apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers to equip the saints, build up the body, and bring believers into maturity.

Matthew 23:8-12. Jesus warns against religious titles that elevate one person over another and teaches that the greatest among His people will be a servant.

Mark 10:35-45. Jesus rejects the Gentile model of rulers lording authority over others and teaches that greatness in the kingdom is expressed through servanthood.

John 13:3-17. Jesus washes His disciples’ feet, showing that true authority in the kingdom is rooted in humility, service, and love.

Psalm 68:18. Paul draws from this Psalm in Ephesians 4, presenting Christ as the victorious King who gives gifts to His people.

Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of ignorance among those called to know Him.

2 Corinthians 11:14. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, reminding believers that deception often appears beautiful, spiritual, and convincing.

If you have been part of a Five Fold Ministry structure, an apostolic covering, a prophetic network, or a church environment where questioning the system was treated as rebellion, take this to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask where the term came from. Ask who benefits from the framework. Ask whether the teaching builds maturity in the whole body or concentrates authority in a small group of people.

Christ is your covering. Christ is your intercessor. Christ is your access to the Father. You do not need a human apostle to stand between you and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Subscribe now so you don't miss a thing! Sign up for the Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the standard American church is still avoiding.

Share this episode with the friend who has been told that asking honest questions is rebellion.


#PentecostalChurch #CharismaticChurch #ApostolicChurch #SpiritualDeception #FalseTeachers #Discernment #ChurchHistory #NAR #ApostolicReformation #PropheticMovement #SupernaturalBible

What if one of the most widely taught leadership frameworks in charismatic Christianity was never actually in the Bible? The Racist Roots of the Five Fold Ministry: How British Israelism Shaped Modern Charismatic Church Structure.
In this episode of Faith on the Fringe, Leah and Malaine trace the hidden history of the Five Fold Ministry, the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers hierarchy taught across many Pentecostal and charismatic spaces. They begin with Ephesians 4, and how one section of Scripture became the foundation for an entire church government model. From there, they follow the language of Five Fold Ministry back through British Israelism, John Alexander Dowie, the Latter Rain movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.
This conversation exposes how a modern framework became dressed in ancient apostolic language, why servant leadership matters, how spiritual authority can turn into control, and why believers must learn to trace teachings back to their roots.
They also close with a practical three-question framework for testing any church teaching, plus a soul ties renunciation prayer for anyone who has been spiritually bound to unhealthy authority structures. Link to the soul tie renunciation prayer here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOOPfOrV4kpNfuYdfxsVNruoz06upFityEc0SdOlzqc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOOPfOrV4kpNfuYdfxsVNruoz06upFityEc0SdOlzqc/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<blockquote>
&ldquo;Truth does not need protection from scrutiny. Only deception does.&rdquo;
-Leah Steele Barnett
</blockquote>
Key Takeaways
<ul data-start="1668" data-end="2687">
<li data-section-id="1itxk6n" data-start="1668" data-end="1791">The phrase Five Fold Ministry does not appear in Scripture, even though Ephesians 4 is often used to defend the framework.</li>
<li data-section-id="tf7njd" data-start="1793" data-end="1918">Ephesians 4 describes gifts given to equip the body of Christ, not a hierarchy of spiritual offices ruling over the church.</li>
<li data-section-id="1qqgzhk" data-start="1920" data-end="2045">The word &ldquo;until&rdquo; in Ephesians 4 matters because it points toward maturity in the body, not permanent institutional control.</li>
<li data-section-id="1msk2fp" data-start="2047" data-end="2171">The modern Five Fold Ministry framework traces through historical streams many believers have never been taught to examine.</li>
<li data-section-id="1d07tlr" data-start="2173" data-end="2314">British Israelism shaped parts of early restorationist and Pentecostal language in ways that still echo through modern charismatic systems.</li>
<li data-section-id="13fmwf9" data-start="2316" data-end="2417">The New Apostolic Reformation systematized Fivefold language into a global church leadership model.</li>
<li data-section-id="qv59qt" data-start="2419" data-end="2545">Jesus taught servant leadership, humility, and direct access to the Father, not spiritual gatekeeping through human offices.</li>
<li data-section-id="1rq520a" data-start="2547" data-end="2687">Any teaching presented as biblical truth should be tested by Scripture, history, fruit, and whether it builds up the whole body of Christ.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
Ephesians 4:11-13
&ldquo;So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
Application: Ephesians 4 is the central passage used to defend Five Fold Ministry, but the text itself points toward equipping the saints and building the body into maturity. It does not name a permanent hierarchy. It does not use the phrase Five Fold Ministry. It does not place apostles at the top of a governmental chain. The passage is beautiful, functional, and body-focused. The problem begins when a framework is laid over the text and treated as if it is the text.
Timestamps
0:00 &ndash; Intro: Faith on the Fringe 0:51 &ndash; Is This Teaching Actually Biblical? 2:36 &ndash; Ephesians 4: What It Actually Says 4:09 &ndash; The Hierarchy Claim: Who Gets Authority? 5:26 &ndash; What Happens When You Question This? 8:55 &ndash; The Word Until Changes Everything 13:27 &ndash; Gifts of Persons, Not Titles or Offices 18:26 &ndash; The Phrase That's Not in Your Bible 20:04 &ndash; Where the Term Really Came From 24:09 &ndash; British Israelism &amp; Christian Nationalism 27:45 &ndash; Latter Rain &amp; New Apostolic Reformation 33:08 &ndash; What Paul Was Actually Describing 38:05 &ndash; Jesus on Servant Leadership 40:55 &ndash; The Gentile Model Jesus Rejected 47:17 &ndash; How the Enemy Works Inside the Church 50:15 &ndash; The Occult Parallel No One Wants to See 54:57 &ndash; Gatekeeping Access to God 1:01:38 &ndash; When Questioning = Rebellion: Red Flag 1:06:32 &ndash; The New Denomination No One Admits 1:12:44 &ndash; 3 Questions to Test Any Church Teaching 1:19:51 &ndash; Soul Ties Renunciation Prayer 1:33:05 &ndash; Christ Is Enough. You Don't Need the System.
Resources and Connect
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="4626" data-end="4663">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="4677" data-end="4726">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="4739" data-end="4787">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe" data-start="4799" data-end="4840">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a data-start="4850" data-end="4882">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
Amazon Storefront: <a href="https://amzn.to/3WscgNe" data-start="4925" data-end="4948">https://amzn.to/3WscgNe</a> The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500" data-start="4977" data-end="5044">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5058" data-end="5097">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> A House of Health: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth" data-start="5119" data-end="5159">https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial" data-start="5172" data-end="5215">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5221" data-end="5248">https://x.com/theleahsteele</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951" data-start="5293" data-end="5377">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co" data-start="5392" data-end="5419">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler" data-start="5433" data-end="5477">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse" data-start="5495" data-end="5532">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="5545" data-end="5603">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Five Fold Ministry. A modern term used to describe apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers from Ephesians 4 as five governing offices in the church.
British Israelism. A 19th-century racial covenant theology claiming that Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, and Germanic peoples were the literal biological descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.
John Alexander Dowie. Healing revivalist and founder of Zion, Illinois, whose movement absorbed British Israelite ideas and influenced early Pentecostal streams.
Latter Rain Movement. A 1948 revival movement connected to restored apostles, prophets, impartation, and the language that later fed into modern charismatic and apostolic systems.
C. Peter Wagner. Theologian and church growth leader who popularized and systematized the language of the New Apostolic Reformation in the late 20th century.
New Apostolic Reformation. A modern apostolic and prophetic church movement that emphasizes restored apostles, prophets, church governance, spiritual authority, and cultural influence.
2000 Years of Charismatic Christianity by Eddie L. Hyatt. Mentioned as a resource for understanding charismatic history and how spiritual gifts, revival movements, and restorationist ideas developed over time.
Scriptures for Further Study
Ephesians 4:11-13. Christ gives apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers to equip the saints, build up the body, and bring believers into maturity.
Matthew 23:8-12. Jesus warns against religious titles that elevate one person over another and teaches that the greatest among His people will be a servant.
Mark 10:35-45. Jesus rejects the Gentile model of rulers lording authority over others and teaches that greatness in the kingdom is expressed through servanthood.
John 13:3-17. Jesus washes His disciples&rsquo; feet, showing that true authority in the kingdom is rooted in humility, service, and love.
Psalm 68:18. Paul draws from this Psalm in Ephesians 4, presenting Christ as the victorious King who gives gifts to His people.
Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of ignorance among those called to know Him.
2 Corinthians 11:14. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, reminding believers that deception often appears beautiful, spiritual, and convincing.
If you have been part of a Five Fold Ministry structure, an apostolic covering, a prophetic network, or a church environment where questioning the system was treated as rebellion, take this to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask where the term came from. Ask who benefits from the framework. Ask whether the teaching builds maturity in the whole body or concentrates authority in a small group of people.
Christ is your covering. Christ is your intercessor. Christ is your access to the Father. You do not need a human apostle to stand between you and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Subscribe now so you don't miss a thing! Sign up for the Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="8633" data-end="8670">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the standard American church is still avoiding.
Share this episode with the friend who has been told that asking honest questions is rebellion.
 #PentecostalChurch #CharismaticChurch #ApostolicChurch #SpiritualDeception #FalseTeachers #Discernment #ChurchHistory #NAR #ApostolicReformation #PropheticMovement #SupernaturalBible

The Bible is stranger, darker, and more glorious than you were taught. Let's talk about it.

Faith on the Fringe is where Leah Steele Barnett and Malaine Lea Butler explore the supernatural biblical worldview that most modern churches have quietly shelved. Spirit-Filled. Bible-Obsessed. Slightly Unhinged.

The Divine Council. Fallen Watchers. The Nephilim. Pre-flood history. Spiritual warfare with real teeth. We bring the scholarship, the Spirit, and zero religious performance.

We are not doom-scrolling through Revelation or building bunkers. This is a Kingdom-forward conversation rooted in the belief that God's story is bigger, wilder, and more victorious than mainstream theology has made room for.

For the believers who never stopped asking questions. For the Christ-followers who want the whole Bible, not just the comfortable parts.



MEET THE HOSTS OF FAITH ON THE FRINGE

LEAH STEELE BARNETT

Faith-led cultural commentator, AI educator, and host of The Culture Cast operating at the intersection of technology, culture, and Kingdom stewardship. She examines cultural deception, belief systems, and power structures through a biblical lens. She is pattern-oriented, allergic to hype, and built for the kind of theology that doesn't flinch. On The Fringe, she brings the research, the receipts, and a refusal to let comfortable doctrine go unchallenged.

MALAINE LEA BUTLER

Deliverance-driven disciple of Jesus Christ who walked out of the New Age and into radical transformation through the power of the Gospel. Host of Kingdom Talk and founder of Eden House, she creates space for raw, deep, and confrontational conversations that call hearts into full surrender and freedom in Christ. On The Fringe, she brings fire, spiritual authority, and zero tolerance for religious performance.

The Bible is stranger, darker, and more glorious than you were taught. Let's talk about it.
Faith on the Fringe is where Leah Steele Barnett and Malaine Lea Butler explore the supernatural biblical worldview that most modern churches have quietly shelved. Spirit-Filled. Bible-Obsessed. Slightly Unhinged.
The Divine Council. Fallen Watchers. The Nephilim. Pre-flood history. Spiritual warfare with real teeth. We bring the scholarship, the Spirit, and zero religious performance.
We are not doom-scrolling through Revelation or building bunkers. This is a Kingdom-forward conversation rooted in the belief that God's story is bigger, wilder, and more victorious than mainstream theology has made room for.
For the believers who never stopped asking questions. For the Christ-followers who want the whole Bible, not just the comfortable parts. 
MEET THE HOSTS OF FAITH ON THE FRINGE
LEAH STEELE BARNETT
Faith-led cultural commentator, AI educator, and host of The Culture Cast operating at the intersection of technology, culture, and Kingdom stewardship. She examines cultural deception, belief systems, and power structures through a biblical lens. She is pattern-oriented, allergic to hype, and built for the kind of theology that doesn't flinch. On The Fringe, she brings the research, the receipts, and a refusal to let comfortable doctrine go unchallenged.
MALAINE LEA BUTLER
Deliverance-driven disciple of Jesus Christ who walked out of the New Age and into radical transformation through the power of the Gospel. Host of Kingdom Talk and founder of Eden House, she creates space for raw, deep, and confrontational conversations that call hearts into full surrender and freedom in Christ. On The Fringe, she brings fire, spiritual authority, and zero tolerance for religious performance.

Faith on the Fringe

If Questioning Your Pastor is a Sin, You're in a Control System