2025 has been a year of firsts for Laura Mueller and Esteban Ocon.
For Laura, it’s her first season as a race engineer. For Esteban, it’s his first season with Haas. And it’s their first time working with each other.
So how are they finding it? What do they need from one another to get the best out of each other? And how do they communicate in and out of the car?
Speaking to Tom Clarkson, Laura and Esteban take us inside their first year working together and how the relationship between a race engineer and an F1 driver works.
They provide fascinating insight into how they talk to each other on team radio – explaining when the right time to speak during a lap is, how often they should speak and why that can change in different scenarios.
Laura and Esteban also reflect on the highs and lows of this year – including how they bounced back from a challenging season-opener in Melbourne to score points in China the week after.
And you’ll hear all about Laura’s path to becoming F1’s first female race engineer and the childhood hero who inspired this journey.



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<div>2025 has been a year of firsts for Laura Mueller and Esteban Ocon.</div>
<br>
<div>For Laura, it’s her first season as a race engineer. For Esteban, it’s his first season with Haas. And it’s their first time working with each other.</div>
<br>
<div>So how are they finding it? What do they need from one another to get the best out of each other? And how do they communicate in and out of the car?</div>
<br>
<div>Speaking to Tom Clarkson, Laura and Esteban take us inside their first year working together and how the relationship between a race engineer and an F1 driver works.</div>
<br>
<div>They provide fascinating insight into how they talk to each other on team radio – explaining when the right time to speak during a lap is, how often they should speak and why that can change in different scenarios.</div>
<br>
<div>Laura and Esteban also reflect on the highs and lows of this year – including how they bounced back from a challenging season-opener in Melbourne to score points in China the week after.</div>
<br>
<div>And you’ll hear all about Laura’s path to becoming F1’s first female race engineer and the childhood hero who inspired this journey.<br>
<br>
<br>
This episode is sponsored by:<br>
<br>
F1 Store: treat the F1 fan in your life this festive season with exclusive gear from the Official F1 Store. Shop now at <a href="https://f1store.formula1.com/en/?ce=1&amp;_s=bm-fi-f1-prtsocial-bf-pod-beyond-the-grid-281125-bc">F1Store.formula1.com</a><br>
<br>
Shopify: sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at <a href="http://shopify.com/beyondthegrid">shopify.com/beyondthegrid</a> <br>
<br>
Aura Frames: For a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting <a href="http://AuraFrames.com">AuraFrames.com</a> to get $35 off Aura’s best-selling<br>
Carver Mat frames by using promo code GRID at checkout <br>
<br>
Vanta: get started at <a href="http://vanta.com/GRID">vanta.com/GRID</a> <br>
<br>
Honda Vintage Culture: right now, listeners can get 20% off the full Honda Vintage Culture range. Just head to <a href="http://hondavintageculture.com/">hondavintageculture.com</a> and use the code BTG20 at checkout<br>
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