All right, talking about wrestling politics.

All right, talking about wrestling politics.

Now, we're not going to run down a list of what wrestlers ran for office. But ironically, later in the week we'll talk about a wrestler who is in politics.

Now, we're not going to run down a list of what wrestlers ran for office. But ironically, later in the week we'll talk about a wrestler who is in politics.

But we'll talk about a dead girlfriend. But that's later in the week.

But we'll talk about a dead girlfriend. But that's later in the week.

First, wrestling politics, Tell me what you think of it, and then tell me how you may have experienced it throughout your career.

First, wrestling politics, Tell me what you think of it, and then tell me how you may have experienced it throughout your career.

Okay, So there's definitely politics in every locker room, right. Some people tend to get into it more than others. I always try to stay away from it because it's gonna bite you in the ass either way. You're gonna get keep from the office or you're gonna get he from the boys one way or another. Now, not so much in ECW, but in WWE, like everybody seemed to be politicking backstage. You know, I told you it was like apples and oranges, like the ECW locker room.

Okay, So there's definitely politics in every locker room, right. Some people tend to get into it more than others. I always try to stay away from it because it's gonna bite you in the ass either way. You're gonna get keep from the office or you're gonna get he from the boys one way or another. Now, not so much in ECW, but in WWE, like everybody seemed to be politicking backstage. You know, I told you it was like apples and oranges, like the ECW locker room.

I don't know why.

I don't know why.

I don't know if it's because I was homegrown and I was comfortable there and I had everybody was my friend. I was good with Paul Like, I didn't have to politic. There was nothing that I had to do. I can walk up to Paul and just ask him a question and or call him on the phone and he would answer. It was very easy, very organic in that locker room WWE. It was like you had to fight tooth and nail to get somebody to hear you.

I don't know if it's because I was homegrown and I was comfortable there and I had everybody was my friend. I was good with Paul Like, I didn't have to politic. There was nothing that I had to do. I can walk up to Paul and just ask him a question and or call him on the phone and he would answer. It was very easy, very organic in that locker room WWE. It was like you had to fight tooth and nail to get somebody to hear you.

Okay, So.

Okay, So.

I wasn't homegrown there. I didn't have a lot of friends that were there prior to me getting there.

I wasn't homegrown there. I didn't have a lot of friends that were there prior to me getting there.

I had a few.

I had a few.

You know, when the office tells you that you need to politic.

You know, when the office tells you that you need to politic.

There's something going on there that is not right.

There's something going on there that is not right.

Because to me, if you have talent and you're not a troublemaker and you get along.

Because to me, if you have talent and you're not a troublemaker and you get along.

With people, I feel like that should be enough.

With people, I feel like that should be enough.

Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like I shouldn't have to go into Vince's office.

Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like I shouldn't have to go into Vince's office.

And oil up my chest and lean over and ask him what's going on and does he have anything you know, for me with my name involved in it while I do.

And oil up my chest and lean over and ask him what's going on and does he have anything you know, for me with my name involved in it while I do.

They like that kind of stuff is not comfortable, it's not cool, and it's not something that I ever had to do in my life, and I've never done it in my life.

They like that kind of stuff is not comfortable, it's not cool, and it's not something that I ever had to do in my life, and I've never done it in my life.

You know, they say there's the casting couch in Hollywood. It's kind of that way in w W. A. If you think about it.

You know, they say there's the casting couch in Hollywood. It's kind of that way in w W. A. If you think about it.

Yes, you know, I'm not saying every single girl part would partake in that sort of thing.

Yes, you know, I'm not saying every single girl part would partake in that sort of thing.

I know girls who have. I've heard stories about girls who have.

I know girls who have. I've heard stories about girls who have.

I never did it, and maybe that's why I lasted for six months. Maybe, but I can honestly say that I would rather have done that than went the opposite way and got a push because in my mind, I don't know if I could live with myself that way.

I never did it, and maybe that's why I lasted for six months. Maybe, but I can honestly say that I would rather have done that than went the opposite way and got a push because in my mind, I don't know if I could live with myself that way.

But there are people who that it doesn't affect them, and that's that's fine.

But there are people who that it doesn't affect them, and that's that's fine.

You know, I'm not trying to throw stones at people, like you do what you need to do to get to where you have to go. For me, it wasn't that big a deal that I was in WWE. I didn't dream about it. I didn't aspire to get there. I could have cared less that I was booted.

You know, I'm not trying to throw stones at people, like you do what you need to do to get to where you have to go. For me, it wasn't that big a deal that I was in WWE. I didn't dream about it. I didn't aspire to get there. I could have cared less that I was booted.

I didn't care.

I didn't care.

The one thing I asked Johnny Ace when he called me for my releases, am I going to get the raw money?

The one thing I asked Johnny Ace when he called me for my releases, am I going to get the raw money?

Because when you went to raw you would get more money?

Because when you went to raw you would get more money?

And I never got it because I didn't last a year or something, so I didn't get that money, which.

And I never got it because I didn't last a year or something, so I didn't get that money, which.

I but I didn't care that I was you know, let go.

I but I didn't care that I was you know, let go.

I didn't care that I was released for me, like my values were higher and I just couldn't. I couldn't live with myself if I had to go and you know, go to one of the agents or go to events and be like.

I didn't care that I was released for me, like my values were higher and I just couldn't. I couldn't live with myself if I had to go and you know, go to one of the agents or go to events and be like.

Hey, here I am.

Hey, here I am.

So that kind of politicking, I don't dig it, you know, going up to the boss and saying, oh, that Chad Man, he's the drizzalem shits.

So that kind of politicking, I don't dig it, you know, going up to the boss and saying, oh, that Chad Man, he's the drizzalem shits.

I think you should push him from the minion and put me on there.

I think you should push him from the minion and put me on there.

Why now, how much of that have you seen?

Why now, how much of that have you seen?

People? That's I mean, that's that's not even a new way politicking. That's just straight up backstabbing and throwing somebody under the bus.

People? That's I mean, that's that's not even a new way politicking. That's just straight up backstabbing and throwing somebody under the bus.

And there's a lot of it out there. I've seen it. I've heard about it. I've heard story again, you know, and I've seen a little bit of it in ECW with certain guys. I know, everybody wants me to name people. I'm not naming anyone because they're all my friends now, and then that's water under the bridge between whoever. But it happens, you know, and at one point some of the guys live their gimmicks and they think they're bigger than they are and they will go rogue and you know, they will act like a baby, so to speak, and have a temper tantrum and cry and complain about what they think they should have, and ultimately it's the promoter who gets the last word.

And there's a lot of it out there. I've seen it. I've heard about it. I've heard story again, you know, and I've seen a little bit of it in ECW with certain guys. I know, everybody wants me to name people. I'm not naming anyone because they're all my friends now, and then that's water under the bridge between whoever. But it happens, you know, and at one point some of the guys live their gimmicks and they think they're bigger than they are and they will go rogue and you know, they will act like a baby, so to speak, and have a temper tantrum and cry and complain about what they think they should have, and ultimately it's the promoter who gets the last word.

Right, and that's it.

Right, and that's it.

Sometimes politicking work, sometimes it doesn't work. I think it depends on the people that are involved, you know.

Sometimes politicking work, sometimes it doesn't work. I think it depends on the people that are involved, you know.

And may I.

And may I.

Say that there are guys that are high up talking about the bigger fed WWA. They know who they can be little and get away with it. So I mean, you know, it's another sense of are you in that certain clique? Are you in that cool group? And if you're not, are you really going to be utilized? It doesn't matter how much talent you have. We've seen, we talked about it on the main show. We've seen talent just get pushed to the side and not used because of whatever reason, somebody in the office doesn't like them, somebody you know who knows. It happened to me, right, And I'm not saying I'm not the most talented person out there, but I was willing to work and I presented ideas and they just didn't want to hear it. You know, I didn't politic. Maybe I should have been.

Say that there are guys that are high up talking about the bigger fed WWA. They know who they can be little and get away with it. So I mean, you know, it's another sense of are you in that certain clique? Are you in that cool group? And if you're not, are you really going to be utilized? It doesn't matter how much talent you have. We've seen, we talked about it on the main show. We've seen talent just get pushed to the side and not used because of whatever reason, somebody in the office doesn't like them, somebody you know who knows. It happened to me, right, And I'm not saying I'm not the most talented person out there, but I was willing to work and I presented ideas and they just didn't want to hear it. You know, I didn't politic. Maybe I should have been.

And what got me thinking about this topic is a couple of things. You know that I said, the Cody Rhodes departure from AW. We hear all these stories about the executive vice president who they brought in.

And what got me thinking about this topic is a couple of things. You know that I said, the Cody Rhodes departure from AW. We hear all these stories about the executive vice president who they brought in.

Their friends are getting jobs.

Their friends are getting jobs.

You know, maybe they're losing sight of what the original concept was.

You know, maybe they're losing sight of what the original concept was.

YadA, YadA, YadA.

YadA, YadA, YadA.

I stumbled across a like twenty five minute clip of Matt Hardy talking about the breakup he had with Lita very publicly and the edge affair that she was having on the side and how it affected his career and he ultimately ended up getting released because of everything that was going on, but due to fan response, was brought back and then had to work with this group. But still the politics playing a huge part in one guy out of that trio getting released. You know, it's just these there's so many different ways to tackle it. So you mentioned, you know, guys living the gimmick and guys getting angry and very vocal. Now is this stuff that's done in front of the boys before they go to management or is this something that happens behind the closed door that kind of fizzles its way down the chain, it.

I stumbled across a like twenty five minute clip of Matt Hardy talking about the breakup he had with Lita very publicly and the edge affair that she was having on the side and how it affected his career and he ultimately ended up getting released because of everything that was going on, but due to fan response, was brought back and then had to work with this group. But still the politics playing a huge part in one guy out of that trio getting released. You know, it's just these there's so many different ways to tackle it. So you mentioned, you know, guys living the gimmick and guys getting angry and very vocal. Now is this stuff that's done in front of the boys before they go to management or is this something that happens behind the closed door that kind of fizzles its way down the chain, it.

Usually happens, but I think it usually happens behind closed doors.

Usually happens, but I think it usually happens behind closed doors.

You know what I mean.

You know what I mean.

Sometimes you see fights in the locker room where uh, you know, a guy might say, oh, you disrespected me, or even to the point of where, oh, bro, you're stealing my gimmick. You know you wore this color. This is my color you were you wore it, these tights, I wear these tights.

Sometimes you see fights in the locker room where uh, you know, a guy might say, oh, you disrespected me, or even to the point of where, oh, bro, you're stealing my gimmick. You know you wore this color. This is my color you were you wore it, these tights, I wear these tights.

You know so many people use that right.

You know so many people use that right.

And two in one company, two forces using the same hand signals.

And two in one company, two forces using the same hand signals.

Well, did Shane ever have beef with the Doubleys over that?

Well, did Shane ever have beef with the Doubleys over that?

He has claimed? There was a blessing given, but you know where how was it approached? That's what I wanted.

He has claimed? There was a blessing given, but you know where how was it approached? That's what I wanted.

I want to know what the argument or discussion was before the blessing was given.

I want to know what the argument or discussion was before the blessing was given.

I don't I never heard a story about that. I just noticed that, like Shane always used it, but then the Dudley's started using it, and I was just like, oh okay.

I don't I never heard a story about that. I just noticed that, like Shane always used it, but then the Dudley's started using it, and I was just like, oh okay.

Like I don't.

Like I don't.

I don't remember Shane ever mentioning it. I don't remember a confrontation. I feel like the Dudley's had enough respect right go to Shane, because you know that's how bubbl and Devon are. But I don't know why, why why choose that sign?

I don't remember Shane ever mentioning it. I don't remember a confrontation. I feel like the Dudley's had enough respect right go to Shane, because you know that's how bubbl and Devon are. But I don't know why, why why choose that sign?

I don't know, It's just weird.

I don't know, It's just weird.

You're right, because Shane carried it even when there was no group, he still did the you know, he still fingers, so kind of funny like as they took off. But now you know, Dudley's jumped to WWF nineteen ninety nine and w W Hall of Famers and everybody knows this or this what And it's kind of funny, you know, in one promotion at the same time, two groups are using the same hand signals.

You're right, because Shane carried it even when there was no group, he still did the you know, he still fingers, so kind of funny like as they took off. But now you know, Dudley's jumped to WWF nineteen ninety nine and w W Hall of Famers and everybody knows this or this what And it's kind of funny, you know, in one promotion at the same time, two groups are using the same hand signals.

Yeah, it's just I don't know. People get offended, you know by that kind of stuff, and I don't know, it's just they might you know, if somebody does something, they might go to management and say, hey, I did this first, Like you need to say something and put the heat on, you know, the boss or the promoter to change things.

Yeah, it's just I don't know. People get offended, you know by that kind of stuff, and I don't know, it's just they might you know, if somebody does something, they might go to management and say, hey, I did this first, Like you need to say something and put the heat on, you know, the boss or the promoter to change things.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Sometimes you get a fistfight over It's it's really ridiculous if you think about it.

Sometimes you get a fistfight over It's it's really ridiculous if you think about it.

Little little things that you see, you know, happen over time.

Little little things that you see, you know, happen over time.

I know for a fact, Shane used war Machine originally before Taz did. But obviously you know, Shane's a kiss fan. He used a kiss Song for his entrance, but phase that out and then Taz picks up war Machine. It becomes identifiable with Taz nobody ever. You know, Shane doesn't question that at all because you only use it for a short amoustage.

I know for a fact, Shane used war Machine originally before Taz did. But obviously you know, Shane's a kiss fan. He used a kiss Song for his entrance, but phase that out and then Taz picks up war Machine. It becomes identifiable with Taz nobody ever. You know, Shane doesn't question that at all because you only use it for a short amoustage.

Yeah, that I don't have beef with, I mean you you. Ultimately he ended up with Perfect Strangers, so that that's fine.

Yeah, that I don't have beef with, I mean you you. Ultimately he ended up with Perfect Strangers, so that that's fine.

Now.

Now.

If he was using the same music as when he walked out currently, I'd be like, wait a minute.

If he was using the same music as when he walked out currently, I'd be like, wait a minute.

There are certain things you do.

There are certain things you do.

Common courtesy comes into play at this point. Certain things you do, certain things you don't do. Some people were taught differently coming up in the business, and they don't know any better.

Common courtesy comes into play at this point. Certain things you do, certain things you don't do. Some people were taught differently coming up in the business, and they don't know any better.

That's another thing.

That's another thing.

Like we always say, oh, I'm old school. I was taught this way, and the newer generation they weren't taught the same way as we were. So something that we think is disrespectful, Well maybe that was disrespectful in the nineties, but it's okay in the year twenty twenty two.

Like we always say, oh, I'm old school. I was taught this way, and the newer generation they weren't taught the same way as we were. So something that we think is disrespectful, Well maybe that was disrespectful in the nineties, but it's okay in the year twenty twenty two.

Like things change, things evolve, and.

Like things change, things evolve, and.

You just have to go with the flow. People get offended very quickly, okay, And to me, I just take a step back when I something.

You just have to go with the flow. People get offended very quickly, okay, And to me, I just take a step back when I something.

I always say to myself. You're fifty, Get over it.

I always say to myself. You're fifty, Get over it.

It's a good way to think now, politicking to the right person. Okay, So back in the day, you think, all right, I'm such and such place on a card.

It's a good way to think now, politicking to the right person. Okay, So back in the day, you think, all right, I'm such and such place on a card.

I want to move up.

I want to move up.

I'm gonna go to the booker, and I'm gonna sell the booker on me maybe versus somebody else.

I'm gonna go to the booker, and I'm gonna sell the booker on me maybe versus somebody else.

Hey, give me this opportunity, because I'm better than this guy.

Hey, give me this opportunity, because I'm better than this guy.

But as time has evolved and people change, the industry changes. When writers start to have a dictated position in the company, do you think that it's easier for a wrestler to go and politic his way in the ear of a writer than it is even maybe in the ear of a booker or promoter, because the writer may be a tad more impressionable to the ways the wrestler is pitching them.

But as time has evolved and people change, the industry changes. When writers start to have a dictated position in the company, do you think that it's easier for a wrestler to go and politic his way in the ear of a writer than it is even maybe in the ear of a booker or promoter, because the writer may be a tad more impressionable to the ways the wrestler is pitching them.

Oh, can I use me as an example for this one?

Oh, can I use me as an example for this one?

Absolutely, sure, whatever you want.

Absolutely, sure, whatever you want.

Because in ec the writers were basically Paul haman dreamer helped and then we all had input.

Because in ec the writers were basically Paul haman dreamer helped and then we all had input.

So we were the writers, I mean were.

So we were the writers, I mean were.

We didn't have people behind, you know, in corporate writing and that and that kind of thing.

We didn't have people behind, you know, in corporate writing and that and that kind of thing.

Wwe had a.

Wwe had a.

Room full of writers. Okay, So when I was there. I couldn't tell you who was on the writing staff. The only person I knew was Paul Haman because back then he was a writer. He wasn't like the talent just talent, like he was an on air, but he was part of the writing group, right right, And you know, every week I'd be there, not being used, not being used. Finally, Paul puts me in one of the promos, tells Vince, we need a set of boobs. I want Francine to be in this promo. Can she do it? Vince is like, yeah, that's fine. I go in this uh the thing, and I think.

Room full of writers. Okay, So when I was there. I couldn't tell you who was on the writing staff. The only person I knew was Paul Haman because back then he was a writer. He wasn't like the talent just talent, like he was an on air, but he was part of the writing group, right right, And you know, every week I'd be there, not being used, not being used. Finally, Paul puts me in one of the promos, tells Vince, we need a set of boobs. I want Francine to be in this promo. Can she do it? Vince is like, yeah, that's fine. I go in this uh the thing, and I think.

It was Seane McMahon sitting next to me.

It was Seane McMahon sitting next to me.

Oh, you got the lot of the loudest pop because it was all guys and then me. And it was the first time I was seen since I had been signed, right, you know, and they put me on TV.

Oh, you got the lot of the loudest pop because it was all guys and then me. And it was the first time I was seen since I had been signed, right, you know, and they put me on TV.

That was the first time.

That was the first time.

So then Paullie says to me, I'm going to write you into this script and I'm going to see what happens. And so that you know, there's always a sheet taped to the wall and I look and I see my name and I'm like wow. Right, then I go back a little later and it's crossed out Jesus. So I was like, okay. So I had one writer on my team, which was Paul. I don't necessarily know if the other writers pooed on it, but ultimately it goes to Vince, so the writers can write whatever they want.

So then Paullie says to me, I'm going to write you into this script and I'm going to see what happens. And so that you know, there's always a sheet taped to the wall and I look and I see my name and I'm like wow. Right, then I go back a little later and it's crossed out Jesus. So I was like, okay. So I had one writer on my team, which was Paul. I don't necessarily know if the other writers pooed on it, but ultimately it goes to Vince, so the writers can write whatever they want.

Vince can go, now, we're not going to use that today. And that's it. That's the way it went, you know.

Vince can go, now, we're not going to use that today. And that's it. That's the way it went, you know.

And I didn't remain on that sheet until I ran down the hallway like a lunatic and mac de.

And I didn't remain on that sheet until I ran down the hallway like a lunatic and mac de.

Vince on the back, back on the back right, change.

Vince on the back, back on the back right, change.

Yes, But then you know, balls took drugs and ruined everything. Just God love them, but you know, that's that's the way it happened. But again, when my name was taken off, that did I go and complain to somebody? No?

Yes, But then you know, balls took drugs and ruined everything. Just God love them, but you know, that's that's the way it happened. But again, when my name was taken off, that did I go and complain to somebody? No?

I didn't. What did I do? I went?

I didn't. What did I do? I went?

I went into either catering and I ate cake, or I went to the lapper room and I wade a book because I just didn't care.

I went into either catering and I ate cake, or I went to the lapper room and I wade a book because I just didn't care.

But in their weird, wwe world, maybe you should have. Maybe they wanted you to do that. They took you off the sheets so they could hear from you, and they wanted to know what you thought about it, but you didn't do it. Like, is that how twisted the thinking is up there?

But in their weird, wwe world, maybe you should have. Maybe they wanted you to do that. They took you off the sheets so they could hear from you, and they wanted to know what you thought about it, but you didn't do it. Like, is that how twisted the thinking is up there?

Johnny Ace Laurnis pulls me in his office. You're like watching paint dry, and I said, excuse me. He goes, not your work. I'm not talking about your work. He goes, you're not You're not politicking, point blank? What are you doing? And I said, what do you mean?

Johnny Ace Laurnis pulls me in his office. You're like watching paint dry, and I said, excuse me. He goes, not your work. I'm not talking about your work. He goes, you're not You're not politicking, point blank? What are you doing? And I said, what do you mean?

What am I doing? He goes, You're in in your locker room where no one can see you.

What am I doing? He goes, You're in in your locker room where no one can see you.

You're you're hiding, he says, And I said, uh uh.

You're you're hiding, he says, And I said, uh uh.

I went to catering. I said hello to everybody, because I did. I made it a point.

I went to catering. I said hello to everybody, because I did. I made it a point.

As uncomfortable as I was, I always went to catering because I need my food.

As uncomfortable as I was, I always went to catering because I need my food.

Girl needs to eat.

Girl needs to eat.

Okay, I wasn't needing what the other girls were in, but I was eating. And then I made it a point to go around and to say hello to everyone, even people I didn't even know. I would give away, like if it was a table, maybe it was a table full of the writers I didn't know.

Okay, I wasn't needing what the other girls were in, but I was eating. And then I made it a point to go around and to say hello to everyone, even people I didn't even know. I would give away, like if it was a table, maybe it was a table full of the writers I didn't know.

I don't know, Hey, guys, how are you you know what I mean? Just hi here?

I don't know, Hey, guys, how are you you know what I mean? Just hi here?

I am blah blah blah. And Johnny goes, you need to walk around and you need to be like.

I am blah blah blah. And Johnny goes, you need to walk around and you need to be like.

Hey, what's going on, what's happening? Bah blah blah. I don't I don't do that, and he goes, well, maybe we should. And right then and there, I said, what kind of world am I living in?

Hey, what's going on, what's happening? Bah blah blah. I don't I don't do that, and he goes, well, maybe we should. And right then and there, I said, what kind of world am I living in?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Because I never had to do this before.

Because I never had to do this before.

Granted, our organization in ECW wasn't as big, there wasn't as many people on board, but I never walked into a room and felt like my skin was crawling.

Granted, our organization in ECW wasn't as big, there wasn't as many people on board, but I never walked into a room and felt like my skin was crawling.

In ECW.

In ECW.

I woke up having to get on that airplane with a stomach ache.

I woke up having to get on that airplane with a stomach ache.

Because I didn't want to go.

Because I didn't want to go.

And I forced myself every week to go, and every week I would come home exhausted, whether I worked or not.

And I forced myself every week to go, and every week I would come home exhausted, whether I worked or not.

Because it was mental.

Because it was mental.

It wasn't just to travel and work and you know, not sleeping. It was the mental aspect of thinking, what the hell am I going to do to prove to these people that I can work besides work?

It wasn't just to travel and work and you know, not sleeping. It was the mental aspect of thinking, what the hell am I going to do to prove to these people that I can work besides work?

Because I'm not doing all the other bullshit. It's not happening.

Because I'm not doing all the other bullshit. It's not happening.

And your body of work, which you had had for close to ten plus years at that point, teen years at that point, they ignored and they had told you, Vince the story you've told before. He asked, Vince, you know, haven't you watched our tapes? And he said no, And then that was basically what what.

And your body of work, which you had had for close to ten plus years at that point, teen years at that point, they ignored and they had told you, Vince the story you've told before. He asked, Vince, you know, haven't you watched our tapes? And he said no, And then that was basically what what.

How you found out that they don't know you?

How you found out that they don't know you?

No? And and I wanted to try At one point I wanted to try to talk to Shane McMahon because everybody kept telling me Shane is the E CW guy, right, He love you guys, you know, but he.

No? And and I wanted to try At one point I wanted to try to talk to Shane McMahon because everybody kept telling me Shane is the E CW guy, right, He love you guys, you know, but he.

Was never available.

Was never available.

The one time he sat next to me and we were watching the monitor, and that was the night that Vince put me in that promo where I got the pot.

The one time he sat next to me and we were watching the monitor, and that was the night that Vince put me in that promo where I got the pot.

And that's the only time I ever interacted with with Sheen.

And that's the only time I ever interacted with with Sheen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One time we were passing in the hallway and he grabbed me and he said did you see my dad? And I said no, I haven't and he goes, okay, thanks, And that was that raw.

One time we were passing in the hallway and he grabbed me and he said did you see my dad? And I said no, I haven't and he goes, okay, thanks, And that was that raw.

So it wasn't like I could pull him over at a raw taping, you know what.

So it wasn't like I could pull him over at a raw taping, you know what.

I mean, like random thing to ask just He's like, did you seem.

I mean, like random thing to ask just He's like, did you seem.

I was just walking? Because did you see my dad anywhere? And I'm like, no, I didn't see your dad.

I was just walking? Because did you see my dad anywhere? And I'm like, no, I didn't see your dad.

But I would have loved to pick his brain and ask him like you know, do I have a shot?

But I would have loved to pick his brain and ask him like you know, do I have a shot?

What am I doing wrong? But I I couldn't.

What am I doing wrong? But I I couldn't.

Like he wasn't around as much, right, you know, and to talk to Vince, I wasn't.

Like he wasn't around as much, right, you know, and to talk to Vince, I wasn't.

Gonna oil up my boobs and barge in his office. That just was idiotic.

Gonna oil up my boobs and barge in his office. That just was idiotic.

That's that's ridiculous. And that's like, you know, you mentioned the Hugh Hefner Show the other day. I mean like that's kind of like.

That's that's ridiculous. And that's like, you know, you mentioned the Hugh Hefner Show the other day. I mean like that's kind of like.

That that was a little much.

That that was a little much.

Yeah, that is like, that's that's unbelievable that you know, that was still getting done and you know, you see, I don't know if you've seen this quote floating around, but CM punk says, the AW locker room for the former w w E talent is like an AA meeting. What do you think that tells you about how a lot of people had similar experiences of not really enjoying their time there.

Yeah, that is like, that's that's unbelievable that you know, that was still getting done and you know, you see, I don't know if you've seen this quote floating around, but CM punk says, the AW locker room for the former w w E talent is like an AA meeting. What do you think that tells you about how a lot of people had similar experiences of not really enjoying their time there.

So they're all venting.

So they're all venting.

They're venting about their frustrations, you know, and even though they're signing a lot of guys that obviously you know, been through there at some point, you see the different stages of when guys are there, and you see how.

They're venting about their frustrations, you know, and even though they're signing a lot of guys that obviously you know, been through there at some point, you see the different stages of when guys are there, and you see how.

Things don't change much.

Things don't change much.

Right, you know, I mentioned the guy who worked in the art department that loved his time there. But I've talked to every wrestler that I've been friends with who has a much different story obviously enjoys elements of it. There's parts of it that you're not going to say the whole experience was not crappy, but everybody, even though I employed in different stages, still has that same general thing. I should have politicked more or I didn't politic enough, and I'm fine with it.

Right, you know, I mentioned the guy who worked in the art department that loved his time there. But I've talked to every wrestler that I've been friends with who has a much different story obviously enjoys elements of it. There's parts of it that you're not going to say the whole experience was not crappy, but everybody, even though I employed in different stages, still has that same general thing. I should have politicked more or I didn't politic enough, and I'm fine with it.

Yeah, well I I'm the latter. I didn't. I'm okay with it.

Yeah, well I I'm the latter. I didn't. I'm okay with it.

I wish I could have got a fair shot because I do feel like I could have added something to the ECW brand at that time, the fake ECW brand.

I wish I could have got a fair shot because I do feel like I could have added something to the ECW brand at that time, the fake ECW brand.

I think they dropped the ball with me, and it wasn't my fault.

I think they dropped the ball with me, and it wasn't my fault.

I don't think I was treated fairly, and I think I'm just to fight in saying that.

I don't think I was treated fairly, and I think I'm just to fight in saying that.

Well, it was all you guys, you know, all the the originals minus a couple.

Well, it was all you guys, you know, all the the originals minus a couple.

You know, Saboo, RBD had a pretty good push at one point, but you know, you see how the other guys were portrayed, and you.

You know, Saboo, RBD had a pretty good push at one point, but you know, you see how the other guys were portrayed, and you.

Know Jerry Lawler, it would be like he would come up to me and be like, what are you doing tonight? And I'd say this was on like house shows if he was around, or you know, even that TV, and I'd say, oh, the bikini thing and he would shake his head like in disgust because he knows, you know what I mean, Like he knows, and you know, when when you have people of that caliber just being like ugh, you know, it's like it made me feel better because I'm like, Okay, it's.

Know Jerry Lawler, it would be like he would come up to me and be like, what are you doing tonight? And I'd say this was on like house shows if he was around, or you know, even that TV, and I'd say, oh, the bikini thing and he would shake his head like in disgust because he knows, you know what I mean, Like he knows, and you know, when when you have people of that caliber just being like ugh, you know, it's like it made me feel better because I'm like, Okay, it's.

Not just me.

Not just me.

A booker. He's a booker. He knows what talent is.

A booker. He's a booker. He knows what talent is.

So and he he was familiar with my work like I've worked with I worked with Jerry on Indy's before, you know, and he's always been super nice to me. And he just looked every time I would say what are you doing? Oh, he would look so disgusted and to me that that would tell me he thinks that I'm worth more than just walking around in a bikini.

So and he he was familiar with my work like I've worked with I worked with Jerry on Indy's before, you know, and he's always been super nice to me. And he just looked every time I would say what are you doing? Oh, he would look so disgusted and to me that that would tell me he thinks that I'm worth more than just walking around in a bikini.

Oh yeah, way I.

Oh yeah, way I.

View a Memphis.

View a Memphis.

He would have taken you a Memphis and you guys would add a good good time rolling up some crowds.

He would have taken you a Memphis and you guys would add a good good time rolling up some crowds.

It's disappointing when you know that you have the ability to do something and no one lets you do it.

It's disappointing when you know that you have the ability to do something and no one lets you do it.

So I'll leave it at that absolutely.

So I'll leave it at that absolutely.

All right, Well that was a fun conversation. It's it's one that could go on for eternity. You know, there's so much to uncover and uh again, everybody's got a different experience. I love when, like when we've had Shelley on and you guys have talked about, you know, the experiences that you went through together back there. It's just fascinating to see, you know, how different people, similar stories and at the end of it, you know there's nothing you can do to control it.

All right, Well that was a fun conversation. It's it's one that could go on for eternity. You know, there's so much to uncover and uh again, everybody's got a different experience. I love when, like when we've had Shelley on and you guys have talked about, you know, the experiences that you went through together back there. It's just fascinating to see, you know, how different people, similar stories and at the end of it, you know there's nothing you can do to control it.

You're not the final.

You're not the final.

Say so, right, you can only do your best, that's right.

Say so, right, you can only do your best, that's right.

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