Is it possible for anyone to change—change their mind, change their theology, change their priorities? What does it mean to hope when we live in such uncertainty?

Richard B. Hays is a world-renowned scholar of the New Testament. He is also a dear friend and colleague of Kate Bowler. Richard and Kate were both unexpectedly diagnosed with cancer at the same time, which meant they spent many hours discussing the heart of what it means to hope. Their hard won wisdom adds such depth and heart to today’s episode.

In this conversation, Richard and Kate discuss:  

• What it means to be hopeful
• A rich theological perspective of suffering in light of the resurrection
• How to pray when you are living in uncertainty 
• Why it's never too late to change your mind as you grow older

This is a soulful conversation that embodies the humility it takes to change anything. Your mind. How your time is spent. Your certainties. We can’t wait to hear what you think. 

If you liked this episode, you might also love: 

• Will Willimon on vocation (especially as we age)
• Tom Long on learning to number our days
• Stanley Hauerwas on needing fewer explanations
• Jeff Chu on discovering grace for people who think unlike you

Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here or visiting katebowler.com/podcasts.

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