What happens when the life you were supposed to have… disappears?

Jen Hatmaker joins Kate Bowler for a conversation about faith, divorce, and the slow art of healing. After the collapse of her marriage and being pushed out of the evangelical world, Jen had to figure out how to live again—how to co-parent, pay bills, go to therapy, and mother herself after decades of being the “pastor’s wife.”

They talk about:


What it means to lose a marriage, a career, and a community—at once


The weight of being a “good” evangelical woman


Codependency, caretaking, and letting your kids have their pain


The deep joy of discovering you can rebuild from scratch

This is for the people who are learning how to live when the story changes. A conversation about grief, grace, and not doing it alone.

Show Notes:


Awake by Jen Hatmaker – her latest book on rebuilding a life after loss
Support Guides — for divorce, caregiving, and rebuilding from the Everything Happens Project


Have a Beautiful, Terrible Day! by Kate Bowler – meditations for the ups, downs, and in-betweens


The Preacher’s Wife by Kate Bowler 


For the Love podcast with Jen Hatmaker


Jen Hatmaker's book club – a delightfully honest reading community


Come hang out in our favorite little corner of the internet, Kate's Substack.


Check out the last time Jen joined Kate on the Everything Happens podcast!

What happens when the life you were supposed to have&hellip; disappears?
Jen Hatmaker joins Kate Bowler for a conversation about faith, divorce, and the slow art of healing. After the collapse of her marriage and being pushed out of the evangelical world, Jen had to figure out how to live again&mdash;how to co-parent, pay bills, go to therapy, and mother herself after decades of being the &ldquo;pastor&rsquo;s wife.&rdquo;
They talk about:
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What it means to lose a marriage, a career, and a community&mdash;at once
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The weight of being a &ldquo;good&rdquo; evangelical woman
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Codependency, caretaking, and letting your kids have their pain
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The deep joy of discovering you can rebuild from scratch
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This is for the people who are learning how to live when the story changes. A conversation about grief, grace, and not doing it alone.
Show Notes:
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<a href="https://jenhatmaker.com/awake/">Awake</a> by Jen Hatmaker &ndash; her latest book on rebuilding a life after loss
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<li><a href="https://katebowler.com/resources/#guides" data-start="1174" data-end="1214">Support Guides</a> &mdash; for divorce, caregiving, and rebuilding from the Everything Happens Project</li>
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<a href="https://katebowler.com/books/have-a-beautiful-terrible-day/">Have a Beautiful, Terrible Day!</a> by Kate Bowler &ndash; meditations for the ups, downs, and in-betweens
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<a href="https://katebowler.com/books/the-preachers-wife-the-precarious-power-of-evangelical-women-celebrities/">The Preacher&rsquo;s Wife</a> by Kate Bowler&nbsp;
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<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/for-the-love-with-jen-hatmaker-podcast/id1258388821">For the Love</a> podcast with Jen Hatmaker
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Jen Hatmaker's <a href="https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/collections/book-club">book club</a> &ndash; a delightfully honest reading community
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Come hang out in our favorite little corner of the internet, <a href="https://katebowler.substack.com/" data-start="1748" data-end="1798">Kate's Substack</a>.
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<a href="https://katebowler.com/podcasts/jen-hatmaker-the-preachers-wife/" data-start="1873" data-end="1916">Check out the last time Jen joined Kate on the Everything Happens podcast!</a>
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Are you living your best life now? Not always? This is a podcast for you. Duke Professor Kate Bowler is an expert in the stories we tell about success and failure, suffering and happiness. She had Stage IV cancer. Then she didn’t. And since then, all she wants to do is talk to funny and wise people about how to live with the knowledge that, well, everything happens.  Find her online at @katecbowler.

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Are you living your best life now? Not always? This is a podcast for you. Duke Professor Kate Bowler is an expert in the stories we tell about success and failure, suffering and happiness. She had Stage IV cancer. Then she didn’t. And since then, all she wants to do is talk to funny and wise people about how to live with the knowledge that, well, everything happens.  Find her online at @katecbowler.
Sales and Distribution by Lemonada Media <a href="https://lemonadamedia.com/" data-stringify-link="https://lemonadamedia.com/" data-sk="tooltip_parent">https://lemonadamedia.com/</a>

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