Today’s episode is such a beautiful reminder that God's love isn't based on how 'good' we are or how dramatic our testimony is—it's about who He is.

Ash and Kate sit down (with croaky voices and too many lozenges!) to unpack Romans 5:8: "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

They open up about what it’s like to grow up in the church and wrestle with not having that “big transformation moment,” the quiet dangers of spiritual pride, and how true revelation often begins with humility. Whether your story is full of plot twists or you've walked with Jesus your whole life, this episode will encourage you to see your testimony—and His sacrifice—with fresh eyes.