Live from the stage at our Dec. 4 event at Bloomberg’s headquarters in New York, Ellen Huet joins Max and Stacey to talk about her recent story on chatbot delusion. As people’s lives get increasingly entangled with AI, cases of intense human-bot connections breaking up families, businesses, and even pushing people to question their own sanity is raising with an alarming rate. They also discuss Huet's recent book Empire of Orgasm: Sex, Power, and the Downfall of a Wellness Cult.


Also, back in the studio, Max and Stacey take a look at puzzlingly positive Black Friday sales.

Live from the stage at our Dec. 4 event at Bloomberg&rsquo;s headquarters in New York, Ellen Huet joins Max and Stacey to talk about her recent story on chatbot delusion. As people&rsquo;s lives get increasingly entangled with AI, cases of intense human-bot connections breaking up families, businesses, and even pushing people to question their own sanity is raising with an alarming rate.&nbsp;They also discuss Huet's recent book&nbsp;<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Orgasm-Power-Downfall-Wellness/dp/0374604193" data-stringify-link="https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Orgasm-Power-Downfall-Wellness/dp/0374604193" data-sk="tooltip_parent">Empire of Orgasm: Sex, Power, and the Downfall of a Wellness Cult</a>. 
Also, back in the studio, Max and Stacey take a look at puzzlingly positive Black Friday sales.

Bloomberg Businessweek brings you a smart and fun chat show about all things...business. Hosted by award-winning business and economics journalists Max Chafkin (author of The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power) and Stacey Vanek Smith (former co-host of NPR’s Planet Money and reporter for Marketplace), Everybody's Business is powered by the unparalleled sources and reporters who bring you Businessweek magazine’s headlines and the stories behind them. The show gives listeners a window into the discussions happening in boardrooms, Zooms and group chats in power centers around the world. From interpreting Fed meetings to the business of wolf cloning, each week Max, Stacey and their friends at Bloomberg Businessweek guide listeners through what really went on during the last week from Wall Street and Main Street. Because what’s happening with money and markets is everybody’s business.

Bloomberg Businessweek brings you a smart and fun chat show about all things...business. Hosted by award-winning business and economics journalists Max Chafkin (author of The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley&rsquo;s Pursuit of Power) and Stacey Vanek Smith (former co-host of NPR&rsquo;s Planet Money and reporter for Marketplace), Everybody's Business is powered by the unparalleled sources and reporters who bring you Businessweek magazine&rsquo;s headlines and the stories behind them. The show gives listeners a window into the discussions happening in boardrooms, Zooms and group chats in power centers around the world. From interpreting Fed meetings to the business of wolf cloning, each week Max, Stacey and their friends at Bloomberg Businessweek guide listeners through what really went on during the last week from Wall Street and Main Street. Because what&rsquo;s happening with money and markets is everybody&rsquo;s business.

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Will Chatbots Break Our Brains—And Our Hearts?

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This week, we talk about two of the biggest economic stories of 2025: Buy Now Pay Later and $Trump.

First, Amanda Mull stops by to discuss BNPL: why its on the rise, how people use it, potential pitfalls and how it's different than just paying with a credit card.

Then, Zeke Faux goes through the implausible story of $Trump - the Donald Trump meme coin launched just a few days before the 2025 inauguration. Faux tells Max and Stacey how the Trump team made an estimated $350 million on the coin, while many investors lost money.

Also: tepid jobs numbers and new opportunities in sports for the older parts of the population.

This week, we talk about two of the biggest economic stories of 2025: Buy Now Pay Later and $Trump.
First, Amanda Mull stops by to discuss BNPL: why its on the rise, how people use it, potential pitfalls&nbsp;and how it's different than just paying with a credit card.
Then, Zeke Faux goes through the implausible story of $Trump - the Donald Trump meme coin launched just a few days before the 2025 inauguration. Faux tells Max and Stacey how&nbsp;the Trump team made an estimated $350 million on the coin, while many investors lost money.
Also: tepid jobs numbers and new opportunities in sports for the older parts of the population.

Did the Trump Memecoin Kill the Crypto Boom?

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This week we take a look at Trump's latest AI gambit: letting Nvidia sell their AI chips to China. Will this move help feed AI's growth or is it just another step towards making the bubble all the more explosive when it pops? The Verge's Nilay Patel joins Max and Stacey to get to the bottom of this.

Also on this show, Lucas Shaw goes through the ins-and-outs of the complicated fight over Warner Bros. Will Netflix succeed in their bid for the storied media giant, or will it be Paramount with its attempt at a hostile takeover?

This week we take a look at Trump's latest AI gambit: letting Nvidia sell their AI chips to China. Will this move help feed AI's growth or is it just another step towards making the bubble all the more explosive when it pops? The Verge's Nilay Patel joins Max and Stacey to get to the bottom of this.
Also on this show, Lucas Shaw goes through the ins-and-outs of the complicated fight over Warner Bros. Will Netflix succeed in their bid for the storied media giant, or will it be Paramount with its attempt at a hostile takeover?

Trump's AI Hail Mary

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We here at Everybody’s Business are big fans of our colleagues and friends over at Big Take, Bloomberg’s daily news podcast. So when they released an episode with our very own Max Chafkin, we can’t resist to share it. Please enjoy, and hop on over to subscribe to their feed if you like what you hear!
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Excel. If you work in corporate America, that word either inspires laser-focused productivity or pure dread. Over the last 40 years, the spreadsheet software has become synonymous with the best — and worst — of late-stage capitalism. It’s seeped into popular culture and, along the way, made Microsoft one of the world’s most valuable companies.But in a world of AI and new competition where Excel=Sum(39+1), can it stay on top? On today’s Big Take podcast, Bloomberg’s Dina Bass and Businessweek’s Max Chafkin join host Sarah Holder to track the rise and challenges ahead for one of the most ubiquitous programs around.

We here at Everybody&rsquo;s Business are big fans of our colleagues and friends over at Big Take, Bloomberg&rsquo;s daily news&nbsp;podcast. So when they released an episode with our very own Max Chafkin, we can&rsquo;t resist to share it. Please enjoy, and hop on over to subscribe to their feed if you like what you hear! &mdash;&mdash; Excel. If&nbsp;you work in corporate America, that word either inspires laser-focused productivity or pure dread. Over the last 40 years, the spreadsheet software has become synonymous with the best &mdash; and worst &mdash; of late-stage capitalism. It&rsquo;s seeped into popular culture and, along the way, made Microsoft one of the world&rsquo;s most valuable companies.But in a world of AI and new competition where Excel=Sum(39+1), can it stay on top?&nbsp;On today&rsquo;s Big Take&nbsp;podcast, Bloomberg&rsquo;s Dina Bass and Businessweek&rsquo;s Max Chafkin join host Sarah Holder to track the rise and challenges ahead for one of the most ubiquitous programs around.

Big Take Bonus: Why We Can’t Quit Microsoft Excel

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