Freaky Clown (not his real name, obviously) or FC as he is mostly known, breaks into banks and public institutions - and actually relishes being caught. As an ethical hacker and social engineer, he invades organisations, not with hostile intentions, but to demonstrate weaknesses in physical, personnel and digital controls; which in turn he helps to improve in order to reduce their vulnerability to attack. We speak to FC about the role of ethical hackers and why we struggle with cybersecurity in general.