Energy Line with Nate and JSBOvechkin inching closer, Sid's greatness and Nate on his NHL journey, recovery, dating life
Energy Line with Nate Thompson & Julie Stewart-Binks open up talking about Alexander Ovechkin’s chase for the goals record, now being five away with nine games to go. They discuss Sidney Crosby continuing to thrive now for 20 years, whether he’s in the Mount Rushmore of hockey legends in the past 20 years, the Maple Leafs success and the Blues hot streak. JSB and producer Jake Brown then interview Nate about his playing career, dealing with drinking and drug issues and how recovery extended his career and changed his life. Nate and JSB wraps the show talking about Nate recently in the news with Kristin Cavallari revealing that they recently dated and how that all transpired before they get April Fools’ed to end the show on the made-up report that the PWHL would have a team in Hawaii as they give Julia Tocheri a call live, who came up with the joke.
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Hey everyone, welcome on into the Energy Line with Nate and JSB and Julie Sturpbanks, joined as always by Nate Thompson.
And later we got a big race going on. What am I going to talk about?
What is everyone excited about alexandro Vechkin. He's got five goals left to be able to beat when Gretzky nine games, And I got to ask in a different way, Like I saw that video of him and the team.
At I don't know where they were out, but like you know the song, he loves the whole like bands that make him dance?
Well you know the story behind that, right?
Have you seen have you seen the clip on Instagram where Jacob Chickrin comes on and he wears he wears bands in his hair for warm ups because he goes no bucket and warm ups and he's walking as he's walking out, I think it's Tom Wilson or John Carlson, you know, say bands of bands and they look at his hair and then all of a sudden, I think one of them go bands and make her dance, and then OVI loves it and just stay he starts going crazy. He's like bands of maker dance, bands maker dance. So every time before they go out for the game, they all they all get together every time Chicken comes out, they bump chests and they go bands and.
Maker dance, bands and make Her dance.
And you watch it and you watch this clip and you're like, God, like OV, he's just having so much fun, Like do you just tell that team is having so much fun, Like they're literally dancing to bands make Her Dance and doing their own remorence of it before the game, and they're just having a blast.
I appreciate you breaking it down and also dancing there too, like for you can't see it because you're listening to it. But Nate was literally like he was shoulder dancing doing that, which I truly appreciate, and to a great song. It is it is, And I do love seeing the videos of oh V just jumping on it when they're in the in the tunnel before they go out, and then they were just all out as a team, and I guess, like you know, it comes on, the song comes on, they're all just singing it, and it's like, I wonder how much of the rest of the team is just so dialed in to even just like every game, every shift, every moment, because Ovechkin is so close to breaking this historical record.
Yeah, I think you know, they're already trying to win the President's Trophy and on top of that, I think it just adds to it. It adds to the to the special season that they're having to be able to, you know, celebrate and hopefully make history with Alexander Ovechkin and getting the greatest goal scoring record, beating Wayne Gretzky's record.
It's just it's it's it's.
Crazy to think of and he's he's going to do it, but like these guys are rallying around him. You could see every time he scores a goal, you know, guys are so excited. Whoever passing the pockets he assists is so excited.
You know.
It's just it's something else to add to their special season.
And you never know what happens.
You know, he gets this goal scoring record and the Washington Capitals could go on a deep run. I mean, could you imagine Julie if, like they he gets this goal scoring record, beats Wayne Gretzy's record and then goes on to win a Stanley Cup in the same season. I mean, talk about a story book year.
It would be I mean, that would just be like a magical historical year we would never stop talking about again.
Five and nine games still is tight.
And I know that you were saying before, like a hat trick or you know, two goals here or there. I was just looking at them, trying to bet the capitals and parlay out with Ov he's scoring. It's like the I'd have to put down like twenty thousand dollars to make like any money off of that, because it's just the odds just kept like they're just it's so bad. It's just not it's not even work to bet Ov scoring because everyone is right now.
But I wonder, like we're so focused on OV.
And I understand and I think that's great and it's it's some juice and it's something interesting in the league, But like, have we maybe overlooked the rest of the team in terms of like the playoffs, Like I don't really see myself talking about Okay, we know Ryan Leonard has come up, he's playing with the team. I also bet him to score goal. But the fact is, like it feels like we're not really necessarily like talking so much about the Caps, we're just like OV.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think obviously everything is centered around OV and breaking the goalscoring record, but you're right. I mean a lot of these guys on this team, you know, are having career seasons. Like you look at this guy, Alexi Pronas, He's got over thirty goals now, and he kind of came out of nowhere, like, yeah, he's been a good player, but then this season he's just come out of his shell. And then you look at Tom Wilson. Tom Wilson's got thirty goals for the first time, and he and Pierre Luke Dubois another one, you know, he didn't work out in Los Angeles and now he's here with the Caps and he's excelling and he's getting to play with Alexandrovitchkin at times.
You know.
So I think these guys, you know, are everybody is contributing. And you look at Jacob Sorry I not forgot to mention Jacob Chickerin too, who just signed a big long extension, who's also having your career season. So these guys are all rallying around Alexanderovechkin. But in their own way. They're having career seasons and you're seeing how much fun these guys are having, and it's just it's great for the league, these guys, these young guys and Pierre lu Dubois and all these guys to rally around Alexandovechkin. But I think that you have to give credit to at the same time to Spencer Carberry and the job he's done with the Washington Capitals, because this team is dangerous. I mean, I mean, this team is sky's a limit for them.
So then those guys that you mentioned, like, I mean, I don't think the mainstream hockey finn even would really know that they were having these career years, just because we are seeing so much of over league.
If you're one of those.
Guys that's having a career year and maybe you haven't had one before, and I know that hockey is a team sport, and all of you guys just say we and you never I and nobody is an individ nobody's everyone's. You guys are like synchronized swimmers, like nothing. You guys don't do anything without everyone else together on the same page. I've tried to ask your questions. Let me tell you, and I just like wonder how these guys might feel, you know, a little bit in the back of their head, like Hey, I'm having a career er, I'm having this, I'm having that, But it doesn't matter because it's all about OVI.
Yeah, And I think probably that's why they're they've been so successful, is because maybe they've been rallying around OV the whole time. And I mean getting to play with Alexandro Vtchkin. I mean, I know, and I've heard this is like when before before Pierre Luke Dubois went to Washington, you know, Alexander Vetchkin talked about how excited he was to play with him. Like imagine if you're Pierre Luke Dubois and you're about to go to a new team and Alexandrovitchkins talks about you and he's excited to play with you. If that's me, I'm probably like, oh my god, he's excited to play with me. And imagine the confidence that's that gives you, you know, and the guys other guys that OVI has played with, you know, like Dylan Strom, same thing, Like he's played with peer, he's played with different centers. But he talks about how he's excited to play with him, and that excitement is infectious throughout the team, where I think that these guys don't care about.
Their individual statistics. It's just working out.
That way because their team is so good, and their rally around behind their leader at Alexander Rovetchkin, and they just fall into line.
I love the idea of Pierre luke Tabwa being like wait me, like wait are you are you looking behind me and waving at someone else like you're talking about you're excited to play with me?
No disrespected Pierre lu Dubois.
But just like having Ovechkin say he's excited to play with you, You're like, did I miss something?
Uh?
Nate, did anyone ever in your career who was like so cool? Ever? Be like I'm so excited to play with Nate Thompson.
Yeah, I think that, Uh just for a short time, I'll say this, And it was my time at Anaheim and and lines are and switched around, and Corey Perry was excited to.
Play with me.
Nice And is that is that a positive?
Absolutely? It's a positive.
I know, I know you want to throw a dig pars there, but that's a positive. I mean, Corey Perry heart MVP goalscorer. You know, so it was like that was cool for me. He was excited to play with me, you know. And I think whenever you get a player at that stature who's excited and says, you know, acknowledges the way you play and says, Okay, I'm excited to play with you, you know, it's going to boost your confidence no matter what.
Yeah, that's that top line. I remember they were.
They were really trying to find just it was a kind of a bit of a revolving door.
You're up there for a bit though.
Yeah.
I think we were at one point, believe it or not, it was me, Corey Perry and Ricard Raquel in the playoffs and.
We were actually a really good line.
And I know people are probably like, what is Nate Thompson doing playing with Ricard Raquel and Corey Perry.
Hey, guess what, people, I'm not the coach, you know, they guess what.
I'm not the coach.
He put me there, So my bad.
I love like at the time where Carter Kel people would have been like, oh, yeah, why is he on the top line, And then now you've seen him obviously go on, it's had like a very good career too with Pittsburgh, but that was always Getsy on the top line with Perry and then that would be it seemed you and Maroon, you guys did some some traps.
Yeah, there was.
You're up there more than him though it was.
I mean, I wouldn't say I was up there, but you know in the top nine, like the third line at the highest third third line was the highest I was ever getting.
Hey, each line has their own identity, right, just like the energy line has its own identity. And speaking of giving some respects, Sydney Crosby clinches ath twentieth point per game season. He also passes way In Gretzky, an incredible stat to have that much consistency for twenty years, Like twenty years is a long asked time to be really really good in maybe in a way, are we kind of like, I mean, I know Ovi's record is going for that record is so big, but like if we kind of maybe not put as much resp can't get no respect have we're not putting as much respect on Sidney Crosby's name for this, I.
Can't compare the two And I thought about this, I can't compare the two and say which one is greater than the other, because they're both great. Alexandrovchkin and Sidney Crosby have been you know, they've carried the torch of this league for the last twenty years pretty much, and they've done so much for the league. They've given it so much notoriety. And what sid has done year in and year out. And to get a point per game for twenty years, I want people to kind of understand this, Like, you know, the most goals I ever scored was ten, and I think the most points I had was twenty five.
And to play say I think where it's like, no, you know, I know.
I know, I know, and put that in perspective, like playing in the NHA is hard. But to be able to do it and score a point per game every single season for twenty years, he just overtook Gretzky's record is It's absurd. Actually, I don't even know how to describe it because it's it just shows like Sidney Crosby, I think in our era, is like kind of the Tom Brady in hockey, Like he he doesn't he doesn't drop off, he continues to produce. He It's almost like sometimes he's getting better, it seems like. And yeah, he's just he is the class of the NHL to me, like I've always you know, I've always talked about Sidney Crosby a lot on the show, and you know, he's always been like my favorite player. Just the way he plays the game, the way he approaches it. You could just see why. I mean, sid is Sid's the man. I mean, he really the way that he has I'm trying how to word this, but he like the way every year he is able to evolve his game, you know, I mean, he he went from Okay, he's more of a disher, you know, he was more of a pass first, and then all of a sudden said decide, okay, I'm gonna score goals. Now he scores fifty and then you know, he just constantly evolves his game and he keeps getting better.
Now he's one of the best face off men. You know. It's just that just shows you, like.
This guy is this guy is above and beyond, and for me, he's Mount Rushmore for hockey.
Yeah, Okay, I love what you said there. Sidney Crosby is like the Tom Brady of hockey. Just I mean, there's so many things that you could look at that in terms of like the consistency, the professionalism, he is in a class of his own. When it's also come to the fact that he's been able to really focus so much on the game not let any kind of other distractions come into the mix, not ever really give I don't know, he's never really erupted in the media from what I remember or like anything. There's there's never been really any controversy around it. Remember when he got the mumps, have the thing on his neck. I'd sorry, I just I just remember that right now. That's the biggest controversy. But then also the fact that he's been so consistent on the national team as well. You mentioned him on the Mount Rushmore of like, okay, let's say in the last twenty years, maybe I want to give it last twenty years.
Who's your Mount Rushmore.
The last just twenty years?
Yeah, let's I mean, let's like say it from this generation, the Sydney Crosby Ovechkin generation, and that seems to be what they were drafted in O three.
So, uh, Sid was Ovechkin was oh four, Sid was oh five.
I believe I was O three.
Okay, that's right. I got confused, obviously, numbers. Okay, so what do you want? What do you want to do?
What do you want to put maybe the last twenty five years?
I mean I put Sid into the Wayne Gretzky, Gordy how Bobby or I put him into that conversation.
All time, all time, all time.
Mount Rushmore of hockey.
Sid Sid is no question in that in that conversation to do what he did did and break wayn Gretzky's point per game season record? Is that put that puts you on that Mount Rushmore with those other players of all time?
Is that more impressive than the goals? Overall goals?
I see?
This is where this was tough for me because I don't I can't compare it because scoring that many goals is crazy.
So I don't know.
I don't know if you can say which one's greater. They're both great, you know what Ovechkin, And I'm sorry if I can't give you the answer which one's greater. But is I just because of because of the greatness they've both brought to the NHL, I can't.
I can't say which one's better.
No, I think that's fine. That's an answer. I mean that's there. They're two different categories. I think the consistency of Crosby, Like, when you think about it, it's like, wait a second, he had a point per game for twenty years. Yeah, Like he never went without a point, Like, are we sure? Like the I'm like, wait, that can't be right. There must have been a night he didn't have a point. No, that's like, that's insane.
It's crazy.
It's absolutely That's why I was trying to put a perspective for people listening, Like to be able to I know we've talked about this a lot, but to be able to do this every year is and on down years too, like the Pittsburgh Penguins have not been.
Good the last few years.
And to be able to still produce on a team that's not making the playoffs and score a point per game is I mean, he is.
He's one of the best of all time. That's it.
I'll tell you.
As a bit of a swift transition, this was not on the notes of what we are supposed to talk about, but as somebody who is from this city and is seeing and you saw them this past weekend. But the Toronto Maye beliefs and the La Kings their fourth loss at home this season, which is an insane stat. You watch the game, I assume because you watch like every game everywhere, You're like anywhere, anywhere, anytime, anyplace. When you saw the Leafs beat the Kings, what was like your biggest standout play about this Leafs team that maybe gave you like maybe they could go deep?
Yeah?
I actually covered radio for that game, so I definitely watched that game. Yeah. Yeah, No, I think the Leafs. I think the thing that stuck out to me and that game, it was a really good hockey game. And I think the thing is stuck out is how good defensively the Leafs played.
And Anthony Stoller's played great.
I know Ruby's been very critical of his goaltending as of late, but he had a fantastic game. And I have to say this, you know, watching Austin Matthews live is different, I think, And I got to give Austin Matthews some credit here because the way he's playing defensively and all around, he was really good that game. I mean that line of him, Mitch Martyr and Matthew Diyes was dangerous. The way Austin Matthews is playing Mitch Martin. Obviously we already know he is defensively all around, but this Leafs team is different because their attention to detail and defensively. I think being under Craig Brewby is different this year. And I noticed that that game. And I know it was a response game after losing to the Sharks the game before, but the way they came and played against a team like the La Kings, who you know, just their fourth loss on home ice, like you said, one of the best defensive teams in the league, and it was a great hockey game. But I do think the Leafs, in my opinion, they really need to get They really need to win this division. If they can win the Atlantic Division, it sets themselves, it sets them up better for the playoffs. I mean, I think you agree, Julie. I don't think you're playing the Tampa Bay Lightning is a lot different than playing maybe Ottawa or whoever it will be in.
The wildcard spot.
But I just think the Leafs this year are set up much better than they have previous years.
Yeah, I mean it's like this is, if anything, this is the best year I've seen from them since the quote unquote like glory years when that didn't win anything, but they were they were good and that was sort of like I guess everyone really got into the whole Domie Tucker, Matt Sundin, Years, Courage, Joseph those are.
Like enshrined in my mind growing up.
And so I think what you said, I mean, and that also they played Ottawa earlier before.
That in the playoffs a lot and always beat them.
That's like also what I remember, just like destroying Ottawa and that's what that could happen again. Is that Battle of Ontario, which I do. First, I was like kind of worried. I mean, listen, I have unsubscribed from being a fan of any hockey team because I don't want to have Hope kill me. Okay, And I also am a quote unquote journalist. I'm not covering the team. I'm not there, like when I go cover teams and I'm there, like when I covered you guys, Theannahm Ducks and you play the Leafs.
Like.
I wanted the Ducks to win because I didn't want to have to fake being happy on the plane ride home.
That's all I remember.
I just was like, please win, and I don't want to have Randy Carlow be pissed off on this plane on the ride home. That's all I care about right now, And so I've unsubscribed from being a fan. However, I obviously live, I'm from there. My whole family leaves fans like they're just like, there's just this weird anxiety and being a fan. Coming into this part of the season playing Ottawa, I thought, ooh, Brady could chuck. They're kind of got a bit of juice going a little plucky, but they don't have that much experience and in so many different areas, Toronto is better, and Toronto I believe could just destroy them. And so many Toronto fans go to Ottawa because the tickets are cheaper and it's basically just a home and a home home games all around the whole. And then also the league would like a Florida Florida matchup with with Tampa and and the Panthers, so that would be great as well.
So I also would.
I just I don't like the idea of ever going up against John Cooper, like I want to be on John Cooper's team. I don't want to be going against John Cooper blues on a heater right now, Nate, they did a swift turnaround fifteen to two and two, and we just discussed this since that JOBU bobblehead made its sway into the locker room, which is an ode to Major League. And it's also like a like a voodoo little doll that nobody really knows where it came from, except for they think it's from Matthew Joseph.
Again, if I'm getting.
Details wrong, just send in comments, okay, Like, just just comment on this.
Okay, what do you think.
About, first of all, the Blues going on a heater and maybe a potential connection to some vibes.
Yeah, I mean this Saint Louis Blues team, I mean, since let's state the obvious, since Jim Montgomery has taken over, this has been a different team.
You know, you look at you look at their lines, you look at their.
Lineup, and I mean particularly Dylan Holloway, right, Like this guy was offer sheeted and now he's come over to Saint Louis and he's been amazing, Right, He's been amazing for the Saint Louis Blues. So this team, I mean, like you said, they've been on a heater and there is definitely some good vibes on this team.
I mean, you know they're what fifteen two and two.
Since you literally just said that, yeah, yeah, sorry.
Sorry, fifteen two and two, I just want to say it again, fifteen two and two. I'd like the Saint Louis Blues are going to make the playoffs. They are going to make the playoffs, and the chances of them what playing probably let's say Winnipeg. I mean, I don't want to play against the Saint Louis Blues in the first first round right now. Because also you have Jordan Bennington, right, Like Jordan Bennington when he heats up and he starts feeling it, and we saw it four Nations, Like, this guy is hard to beat and he doesn't want to be beat, and so this Saint Blues too. I have to give credit to obviously the players. And this is also without Colton Pareco. Colton Breako has been injured as well, and they're still doing this. So I mean, do you have to give a credit to all the players. And like you said, with this, I don't really know what's going on with the Joebu Bobblehead thing, but.
I mean it's working. I love Major League. I love that movie. Jobu. You don't mess with Jobu. I know that it is kind of with Jobu.
Yeah, yeah, you don't nothing that has any kind of voodoo energy attached to it.
Just don't even.
But I mean, right before the trade deadline, they were almost gonna basically dismantle this team. Remember they were the I talks about Brandon sorry, Braden Sheen being traded and all these different things. And then it's like, no, it doesn't happen, and then everything boom turns around and it's like just go on a heater right into the playoffs and then you're just flying right into the playoffs and then you're just gonna essentially you have all that momentum, all that belief, and you are on like another level of like flow state.
If we want to get into the wu wou stuff.
If you guys ever had in a locker room some kind of thing that was a bit of a superstition.
That just made its way to be like, this is what this is going to do, and we're going to keep this here because we've been winning.
Yeah.
I think when I was an Anaheim, I don't know if you remember, but Corbinian Holzer always talked about and Chris Stewart always talked about we always talked about wagon, like we're a wagon.
You know what I mean.
Don't you remember that? Everyone always like, Oh, it's a wagon, We're a wagon. You know, this guy is a wagon. Like everyone was a wagon. And next thing, you know, we had t shirts made before the playoffs about I can't reber what it said, but it was something about a wagon. So you know, guys were always walking around be like, Oh, he's a wagon. What a wagon? We're a wagon?
You know.
And I don't know where I'm going with that, but you know, you just as a team, you cling on to something. You know, you cling on to some kind of feel good vibe or whatever if you're if you're feeling good and the team's playing well, and you just run with it. And that's what the Saint Louis Blues are doing. They're just running with it and they're feeling good. They're playing you know, they've been playing playoff hockey for the last month. You know, they've already they're already in playoff mode. But they're having they're having the best time and they feel good about their game. And I mean I would be not not not happy to play Saint Louis Blues right now.
Yeah. Also the playoff matchups.
I know, it's like we like these kind of rivalries and it's all built for this, but it's like good teams are gonna go out early. It's like, oh man, like what Dallas and Colorado we're gonna face each other.
Dallas suck. I just.
Also on a heater that as like just amazing. Okay, We've got a lot more to come here on the show. We're gonna take a quick time out, but when we return, we're gonna do a little more of a deep dive on old Nator here because you know, we haven't really done that yet because we've always had so many different guests, but Nate in himself is an incredible guest, not just an analysts. And we'll have all that more on Energy Line with Nate and JSB after.
This welcome back into Energy Line with.
Naton JSB, and we also welcome in to our producer Jake Brown, who is joining us for Little Gab Sash and we're gonna talk about Nate but also a whole bunch of other stuff, I feel, because that's just what we do on the Energy Line because we have so much energy your theories on what Nate, We'll start with you is going to happen in White Lotus season three?
Oh yeah, here we go.
It's just getting the good stuff.
I just watched last night the newest episode, and they're really making us wait for the last final episode on everything just chaos is gonna happen. I don't like. I think you guys feel the same way. Like who's gonna have the gun that's shooting off those shots that they show in the first episode. I don't know who it's gonna be, But man, what a show. I don't I still don't think this as good as a second season.
I think we should audition for White Lotus number four. Like what character would you be?
Maybe like the crazy brother or something.
Yeah, Saxon or his younger brother.
Yeah, I could be.
I would probably be like the crazy brother crazy I could I could portray like a crazy party brother or something like that.
You know, I don't know.
I feel like that's not really getting out of your range, like you're gonna have to.
You're not playing yourself. Okay, well I'm not.
I mean I don't party anymore.
Right, Okay, so you are you are? Like you're an actor.
Yeah, I can act how I used to be, but I'm not that guy anymore, so I could really nail it, is what I mean.
I want to ask about that something serious because you were at Recovery Night in.
Tampa Bay Life.
What a what a nice transition over here, good one, Jake, I want to.
Dive into that the former party life now not Recovery Night. What that means to you where you were and where you are now.
Yeah, that's a great question, Jake.
I Yeah, this last week I went to Tampa and it was, like you said, it was for Recovery Community Hockey. And they've done this in Minnesota. Uh, They've done it a few different places. They're going to do it a few other cities like Jersey, San Jose.
Uh.
Some other former players are speaking and it's just, you know, it's bringing the community together people that ever you know, have dealt with alcoholic abuse or substance abuse.
And so yeah, they.
They asked me to come speak and talk and share my story and and to be honest, you know, when I when I do this, it's it's uh.
It's hard, and it's it's also.
It's also humbling too, because to be able to be asked to do something like that and talk about something that you know, I went through and share my story and hopefully that helps somebody else. Is it helps me too, Like it's also healing for me to go and talk about it and hopefully help somebody along the way.
What is basically like the main message that you want players or people to come away and walk away from what you have experienced and what you are trying to tell people that you're not.
Alone and that it's okay to ask for help. I know it seems so basic and so so simple, but I think that was a big thing I talked about in my in my speech. I talked about, you know, this is not a it's not an I thing. You know, it's not a it's not a thing where you have to do this by yourself, like it's a wee thing. You know, you can have support, you can have a community, you can have people that can help you, help you get help, you know, help you get better, so you don't have to do this alone. And there's so many resources and just the fact that you know, it takes a lot of courage, and I know it was hard for me. It's hard for anyone to ask for help. I still have problems asking for help for stupid little things, right, But if you can do that, you know, you're putting yourself out there, you're getting vulnerable, and people, more times than not in that world all the time are going to help you. You're going to help you. So I think that's a simple thing. It's just ask for help.
You're out alone.
Yeah, you were in a unique situation where you ask for help in the midst of an NHL career. You're a professional, you're at the top of your profession. Do you remember that lowest moment of the totem pole when you did ask for help? And I know, I think it was twenty sixteen when you stopped. But do you remember that moment you're like, I need to get help.
I do, and I remember even the moment, and I'll keep talking about it because it's such a pivotal time, I think. Is what I was playing in Anaheim and you know, Ryan getzlaugh came up to me and asked me, you know, if I was okay, and at the time I was not okay, And I told him I was okay, but I wasn't, you know, But I remember it because I was hurting so bad, and for a guy like him to you know, not even care about the hockey player. He wasn't he wasn't worried about the hockey player. He wasn't worried about he was worried about Nate the person. And you know, I still still to this day, I remember that because it was such a it's just imprinted in my head. And after that, I knew I was like, I was desperate, and you know, I was, you know, tired. And I always say this too, It was, you know, I would didn't generally I didn't want to die, but I didn't really want to live. And I remember I was just exhausted and I was I just kind of like surrendered and I was desperate and I I reached out for help.
Wow, I mean that that's got to be such a difficult but powerful moment. And having getsy say that to you, but you not wanting or not being ready for help. I find is a place where a lot of people are where they have maybe problematic behaviors, or they are abusing alcohore that are abusing drugs, they don't necessarily see the problem in them. How do you get from you thinking you're fine to then being like, Okay, I need help because that feels like it's it's a huge jump.
Well, I think when you start creating chaos and burning things down around you, ruining relationships and people not trusting you or and people not wanting to talk to you anymore because of your actions and because of the stuff that you're doing, you'll put yourself.
On an island. You know, with stuff that, like.
I said, with using or drinking, you know you will put yourself there. You know, you will create a bottom for yourself. And I think that's what it is. You know, you just create You know, everyone's bottom is different, everyone's low points different, it doesn't matter every everyone.
Has a bottom. And that's that's what I think.
That's what happens, and that's what gets you there is you get to a point where you know, maybe you've burned everything else around you and you've had enough, and you're desperate and you just want to you just want to get better.
So you're saying some days it was tough to keep pushing, Yet here you were two decades almost into a professional career, Like, what made you keep pushing it? Was it the love of the game? Was it the love of hockey. Was it, you know, to pay the bills? Was it a combination of all?
What was it? Well, I think it was just the love of the game, I think.
I you know, at the time, when I was getting sober, I just and Julie, you remember, I ruptured my achilles in the summertime. That was kind of a little bit of a low point for me, I'd say, right, I ruptured my achilles. Going into the next season, it was a contract season, and I was already in.
A dark place as it is.
And I think once I was getting sober and rehabbing my achilles, I gained this new reinvigoration or new appreciation for hockey, you know, because I think up until then, I think sometimes I took it for granted. And I gained this new appreciation and love for hockey as I was coming back, because it was taken away from me in a way, and I didn't know if I was going to be able to play again with a serious injury like that or what was going to happen. And so I put all my power into getting sober and taking care of myself and rehabbing. And when I came back, you know, I was, you know, back in about seven months and played really well. I think I only played like thirty games, but then had a great playoffs and ended up signing a two year contract that summer, only playing thirty games and having a great playoffs, and it was just, you know, I think it was for sure. I mean for sure I still to stay to this day. You know, me getting sober definitely extended my career, no question. And you know, making those changes made me a better hockey player, but more importantly made.
Me a better person.
Wow.
I mean it's so commendable because during that time, it felt as though it wasn't very prevalent for guys to talk about this kind of stuff. I mean, mental health has only just recently become mainstream in terms of sports. Like as we grew up, no one was really talking about issues.
That they were dealing with.
Nobody even really knew what issues were because it wasn't part of the conversation, having you going through what you did during the time when there wasn't really as much of like.
A discourse around it. How difficult was that?
Yeah, it was tough, and I was in my head about it, and especially when I came back to the team because during that time when I was rehabbing my achilles, I was away from the team. I was doing my rehab in LA and I wasn't really day to day with the Ducks. So when I came back, Yeah, I was very nervous. You know, I was nervous about okay, you know, because it's a culture thing. We know that, And I was very nervous about, Okay, Well, what are the guys going to think? You know, like I'm I'm not drinking anymore. What am I going to do when I'm around them? What am I going to do in all these different situations? And I was in my head about it, and you know, it was pretty amazing how the guys handled it. You know, every single guy was so supportive. I mean I remember getting on the plane and I, you know, sat at the card table with Cam Fowler and Kevin Biex and I would sit down in my seat and they would already have an ice filled up with ice and a cup and sparkling water right next to it. You know, it was already in my seat. You know, they were ordering beers and they were like, hey, get natea sparkling water, you know what I mean. So it was just things like little things like that, and guys, you know, and every team and every teammate has been.
So supportive, and it was just it was awesome.
It was so great to come back into a locker room where guys are like basically putting their arms around me, like, buddy, we got you, and you're good.
We love that you're sober. Now.
The transition from playing for two decades now i'm broadcasting, I'd imagine your daughter just turned to Wilder has been huge for you and making that seamless transition and having a care for someone and having someone there with you. What has that transition been like And are there still days where you're like, damn, I wish I was still playing at some level right now.
It has been a good transition in a way, but extremely hard, I'll say that. And I think a lot of guys that retire can relate from the time that you're from the time me I was twenty till I was thirty eight years old. You know, I had a schedule, you know, I had a built in schedule, and I knew what I was doing from September to till the following September.
You know, you know exactly what your schedule is going to be. Whether it's during the season or even in the off season.
You know what your schedule is going to be, and when it's done, it's done, and you feel like you're a little bit of like a fish out of water. Having my daughter around that time has been the biggest blessing in disguise for me, because you know, she's been the best distraction in a way since I've retired and has taught me a lot. You know, I've been very hands on with her every day, taking care of her all those things being a girl dad.
She's taught me a lot.
Kids can teach you a lot, And especially for me, I think it's been a good good timing. I mean, it's been really hard, but I think it's been very good timing for me since I've retired and now transition into this broadcast world and trying to, you know, find my niche and get comfortable in it. So I'll be completely honest, it's been it's been good and bad, but it's been positive. I like I say, like, I don't know if you guys knew jocko is, but jock Olink always talks about if something goes wrong, he says, good, yeah, good, well good, because there's something good going to come out of it. And with all that's happened since I've retired and having and having Wilder and being being a girl dad, you know, it's been it's been hard, but it's all been good.
All only good.
Has come out of it, right, the idea that everything is a gift and opportunity with how you look at it, because you can learn something from it. I just have one sort of last question on you know you're here in this place now. You mentioned that you know your girl dad, which I love so much, and I love the way that I see on Instagram. Obviously I know i'vever asd you before, but the way that you support your daughter and the way that you can really truly see that, I mean, how lucky she is to have a supportive male role model in her life going forward is so is so pivotal for a young girl and then a young woman. But as you look now to maybe in the past, like that young Nate when you first started and you were in the smoke, like you were in the difficult times, what would be your message to that young Nate, knowing what you know now, Enjoy.
Every moment, stay in the moment. I think that biggest thing is is just I would tell him to stay in the moment. I think at times, you know, we were not present, and I think at times I wasn't present.
I was worried about so many other different things.
At times in my career when I was in the middle of it, where sometimes I wasn't enjoying the process. And I think I got better at that the latter part of my career, where no matter what was happening, no matter what I was going through, I was able just to just be there, be there, like me, be there, be present, enjoy the moment, and not take it for granted. And I think that would be my biggest advice to old Nate.
Could you still play today?
You got anything left with the fun?
He did?
I mean, I don't know. I don't think so. How fast these guys are. I mean, I feel like I'm still pretty good shape since I've been done, But no, I don't think so.
These guys are. These guys are on a whole other level.
I mean, especially watching it when I was between the benches last week against the Kings and the Rangers, like seeing it up close down there at that level again, I.
Hadn't been down there watching at that level.
And there was one time Adrian camp by Adrian camp skated by me and I was like, there's no way he's going that fast right now.
It was absurd. I was like, this is insane.
He's going like mock ten, like a fighter jet and I was like, this is crazy.
How fast he's skating.
Yeah, he's got that power up in him. But you played with Mark Messia recently and you said he still has that juice, So I feel like you still got some gas left in the tank. I'm not Mark Messi, Well, you're not hockey help famer, Mark Messier.
I wanted just one other thing.
You post a lot about jiu jitsu and getting into that, and I know, having covered MMA, a lot of guys said that jiu jitsu was so helpful for their mental health. In what way do you think that that has helped you with whatever kind of mental issues you've gone through, and that maybe you would even tell other guys to do because of how it's helped you.
Yeah, I love that you asked that.
I mean, I actually probably forgot to mention that, but that was one of the things I when I did retire about a month after that, I got into jiu jitsu, and Rest in peace. My professor at the time and friend I would be called him Bomba.
He passed this last fall and he's the one that got me into it.
He always talked about getting me into jiu jitsu while I was playing, but it wasn't able to. And then once I retired, I got into it. It was more of like, Okay, I'm gonna do this as a workout. Let's see what happens. And after like the first session, I got malled, like mauled, and I got so humbled and going into it, you know, I thought, Okay, you know, I'm gonna you know, I'm an ex athlete, like I'll be able to whatever. Dude, I was like a little child on the mat, like the stuff that these higher belts were doing to me. And I remember sitting in my car after and my hair is long and my hair's all over play and I'm still like I'm dying in my car and I'm like what just happened? And but part of me was like drawn to it and I couldn't stop going. And the next thing, you know, I'm getting better at it. And I thought it was a workout, and then it becomes it became meditative for me, like meditative where I was you know, in training, you know, I was just so locked in and and the people don't realize jiu jitsu is a very intellectual sport, you know, because you're basically playing chess with someone's body. You know, you are manipulating their body, but you're having to problem solve at.
The same time. And and not only that.
You know, you could have a guy that's on top of you, putting pressure on you, and you can't breathe, and you have.
To you have to find a solution. You have to find a solution to that problem.
You can't panic, and and those things I think in jiu jitsu, and the people talk about this and that do jiu jitsu is that they translate to life, you know. And then he obviously builds you self confidence and you know, teaches you to not panic in certain certain situations or problem solve and and since then, you know, I've competed once last May Wow, and then I you know, now I've got my blue belt and still going and still continuing it. And this is something I will I'll probably do the rest of my life. I'd like to get my black belt someday. It's been so good for me. It's been great for, like you said, my mental health, to have an outlet, to be able to go and train, you know, with other guys and people that I've met in jiu jitsu and that I'll probably be friends for with life. So it's it's just been it's been awesome and I and I'm pretty.
Obsessed with.
That's huge.
That's what Like Kenny Florian who I worked with pfl he you know, he has jiu jitsu gyms, and he said that a lot of guys and women use jiu jitsu when they are dealing with like depression, anxiety, Like it's actually like a huge form of dealing with mental health issues or like whatever.
I mean, like it can help you so much.
And I didn't know that until he'd said that, And then when I saw you doing it, I was like, oh wow, this is like this is definitely a world that I wouldn't have understood or known until kind of like diving into it a bit more. So. I hope that you do all the stuff and we can see you hit the cage. I mean, that feels counter that feels counterintuitive. To everywhere you are right now.
But the mats, the mats, the mat will see the masts.
I've been doing a punching bag in boxing since October and it's like been life changing for me. So that's much lesser.
Than jiu jitsu.
But like you know, moving from New York getting laid off like I was crushed and just having this bag and you just envision the bag is like an old boss or a hater. Yeah, going at them, it's like the juice it gets out of you, like it's unbelievable and it's it's just great. You get your mind in the element.
Jiu jitsu is another level.
But I found that for the for the boxing ring.
No, it's true.
I think it goes for any kind of martial art and white tie boxing whatever it is. I mean, it's it gives you self confidence, right I mean, and the thing with jiu jitsu too, it's yeah, I mean it's the same thing you know, to be able to know that you know, maybe someone tries to attack me self defense, like you know, you have that self confidence where like you know I'm okay, you know, but.
You know you don't have to use it too. Like that's the beauty of it.
Right, It's like you know, they teach you like what jiu jitsu they call it, it's it actually means gentle art. It's a self defense. At the end of the day, it's a self defense and that's what it's teaching you. So but like you said, it's it goes deeper than that where it really does. It's an outlet and it helps the mental health.
No question I should learn it.
I mean, all I know is what my mom told me is like if you think a guy's following you or something like get get your well, have your keys out, but go for the eyes, like gouge out their eyes. And I remember thinking like, wow, man, I'm gonna have to be in a really fucked up state to go for someone's eyes.
And I think I think jiu jitsu more than anything, and I'll keep going about it. But like for women, I think all women should do jiu jitsu because it's a it's the only martial art where you can be smaller than somebody else, right and fuck them up, Like, yeah, you could be a smaller you could be you could be a woman, and a guy could be you know, two hundred and twenty pounds but you could choke him out and put him asleep if.
You need to, right, pretty wild.
Yeah, there's no other. There's no other. There's no other martial arts like that. You know, all the other martial arts. You know, it's based on strength and your size and everyone. You know what, jiu jitsu doesn't matter how small you are. If you have the right technique, that person's going to go to sleep.
Cobra god baby, Cobra koy, Cobra chay.
Watching someone get choked out is also one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. Like again, I experienced a lot of first watching like Professional Fighters League, Fighting League. I always get it mixed up as as a former host of it, seeing first a guy get his orbital bone broken and his eye suck it his eye popped out. That was not ideal to watch. Me and ray Lewis both almost projectile vomited when we saw it. And then the other time is when I saw, like in the women's division a woman get like put to sleep, and I was like, did she just die? And They're like, no, Julie, it's actually better that she got put down or she was or she could have died, like you know, it's like sometimes better to.
Be choked out crazy even saying that stuff.
But date, we appreciate you talking about all this and being very open with it. We know that so many people and so many athletes, so many people deal with this and don't talk about it and don't know what to do about it, don't recognize their problems with it, and also just maybe feel ashamed.
Of where they are with it.
And I think you've done such a great job with normalizing this conversation and giving players and people a space to feel comfortable with asking for help, with knowing that it's you're not alone, that it's okay, and that I think that the league has now shifted so much and that has to do with people like you having these conversations, them having these recovery nights. And I think especially for you know, a sport like hockey, where we didn't really you know, guys don't really talk a lot about much what's going on.
It's really like hidden, it's.
Sort of like, okay, I'm not going to talk about myself or anything like that. Being able to be open about what you're dealing with it'll save lives. So I mean, thank you so much for what you've done because for anyone watching, listening, or watching like someone like Nate has done. Your career was great on the ice, but what you've done off the ice has helped so many people, so you should be really proud.
Thanks July. I appreciate that.
And you said, just trying to normalize, normalize the conversation, and I mean, at the end of the day, whatever I say, but like I said, if I can help one person, it's a win.
So thank you guys, appreciate it. Yeah, I love you both.
Thanks, We love YouTube Nate.
And we're going to have a little bit more after this as got to get into some a little bit more entertainment with Nate. We've got we've got a couple of juicy storylines going on, and it wouldn't be Energy Line with Nate and JSB if we if we didn't get to them. So we'll have that after this. Welcome back to Energy Line with Nate and JSB. As we are gonna be talking about something right now that would be remiss for us not to address.
And.
This is something that broke earlier today. We're recording this on Tuesday, April first. This is not April Fools. As we are past noon doing this at this moment, and this is the news that Kristin Cavalary.
You may know her.
She was on the Hills and Laguna Beach and lots of other things, very famous. Kristin Cavalry finally names mysterious athlete Bo as she confirms, quote, deep fling is over.
Now.
You might be listening to this and asking why are we talking about Kristin Cavalry and her deep fling with some mysterious athlete Bo. Well, that mysterious athlete Bo was named by Kristen and it is my co host, Nate Thompson.
Nate's cat's out of the bag. We knew it. Now the whole world knows it.
Your data, Kristen Cavalery, how does it feel that she talked about you on her podcast today?
It's okay, it's fine.
I mean, I knew it was a matter of time before things became public, and that's her world. That's what she does, and her podcast, obviously, as you know, is pretty big, and that's she talks about a relationship. So I knew it was probably going to come out eventually. But like, I have nothing bad to say about Kristin. She's a really really good person, great mom, and yeah it was fun. I mean she's, like I said, she's cool person. We had a good time and you know, life is going to life and it just didn't work out. But like I said, she has I had nothing bad to say about Kristen.
So a couple questions follow up here deep fling? Was that give us the dats?
You had a deep fling? What did that mean to you?
Well? I did write that.
Yeah, No, I mean we had a lot in common, you know we I mean, she's a single parent, I am too. Obviously, we don't live in the same cities. So that was, you know, that dynamic change things.
You know.
I went there a couple of times, so I was with her for New Year's We told each other a lot of things in a short amount of time, and we were pretty open and honest about a lot of stuff. So I think maybe that's where the deep fling maybe is probably if you're gonna describe it, that's.
Probably it was a deep You guys had a deep connection.
Yeah, we had it. We had it. We did.
We had a connection in the short time that we talked or hung out or whatever you want to call it. I wouldn't I wouldn't have called her my girlfriend.
I mean, I don't know. I listened to your voice notes to me.
No, she wasn't my girlfriend per se.
But we you know, we we had like I said, we had a connection. And Christian's a really good person. Like what she's done. She's very genuine too. People can say what they want about her, but she is a good person. She's a great mom. She hustles like she she does her things. So I got a lot of respect for her and how she handles herself with everything she has to deal with, obviously being in the limelight.
I guess right.
So yeah, we you know, we kind of hit it off and then, you know, sometimes, like I said, it's just things didn't work out.
But she's a cool girl.
Wow, man, I don't think I've ever had an X say something as nice as that that you just said about her.
She did say, though, that she clarified that.
She's quote done dating still competing athletes, which hinted at the reason A reading an article right now hinted at the reason she and Thompson called the quits. When she divulged what's missing from all of her recent romances. I could have told her to stop dating athletes a long time ago. I've seen you, guys, I've seen how the sausage has made not really somebody who want to I'm sorry, Nate, I'm just saying that, uh, not to.
Category.
No, I would. I wouldn't advise to date me either fifteen years not you.
But like athletes, I feel a like athletes are just like if my friends my friends are like, hey, can you set me up with a hockey player, I'm like, no way, Jose, Like if I like you, I'm not doing that.
Just because I don't know Jena Siqua, I'm not going to like go there.
I just feel as though that's not really like long term husband material. But like, what do you make of her saying she doesn't want to date athletes.
I mean she's been there, like she said, I mean she her her ex husband's an athletes.
So I can understand why.
You know, she probably wants something, you know, not that same realm, not that same world. She's been in that world before, so wants to get out of that. And I can understand that that would That would be my take on that, I think just because I mean, I'm not a girl, but I can understand I can understand why dating an athlete would be would be difficult.
Yeah, you're giving me also like I feel like I'm interviewing you like I used to back in the day, and it's like maybe not necessarily the most topic, but I've.
Never talked about this stuff before on here, so I guess it's, uh.
It is new to me.
But I would say, yeah, dating an athlete is not like dating anybody else. Their schedule is insane, you know, obviously dating an athlete too, I mean you got I mean, any athlete, you know, they're going to be getting more attention than anybody else you're dating, right, because they're in the limelight a little bit more.
Well, I mean, like a little different for you on Chris and Cavalarry not gonna lie.
Yeah, I know, I understand, I understand, I understand, but it's just it's just different.
It's different.
I mean, I don't think playing a sport for a living, like, at the end of the day, it's not real world it's not real world stuff, you know, So it's just different.
Yeah.
I know a friend who dated an NHL player and the expectations were completely different of what the role, how you are in a relationship. It's not like me dating like Joe Shmoe down the street and he has a normal job and it's all about me.
You know.
No, it's different and it's not it's not bad. It's not bad. It's just different.
Okay, in some cases it could be bad, but it's not bad for everybody.
I don't think no, it's I.
Mean no, no, it's fine.
And it's like, I mean, I've dated actors before, which it's like super problematic. I highly like, don't date actors. I'm just telling whoever's listening to podcasts, don't date actors.
Not good. But I think what we want to know is, like, how did you even meet Christian Cavalary? Was it on like Raya?
It was through Instagram.
We had a mutual friend and we knew that was kind of it. I may have reached out and next thing you know, I have her number and we're chatting and then I'm in Nashville a couple of times, and that's kind of how it happened.
And then my cousin also lives in her area of Nashville, and.
Yeah, it was this kind of six degrees of separation, Like we knew a lot of the same people, and that was it.
Did you watch Laguna Beach or The Hills or anything.
I watched a little bit of Laguna Beach the for like, yeah, back when I was I would have been twenty one at the time, and that was it. I didn't really watch The Hills or anything else. I didn't watch her any of her recent shows or anything. So I didn't know anything up to date, which is probably good yeay.
When we linked up. So uh yeah, that was it. That's all I watched. Was Laguna Beach a little bit?
Did you get like a little Google Gaga like for her because of Laguna Beach?
I definitely. I definitely liked her on Laguna Beach for sure.
So yeah, I mean I think every guy thinks Kristan Cavalary is hot, well for the most part, I mean she is.
She is. She's a very good looking girl.
I love it. I'm sorry I'm making you sweat, but I obsessed questions.
The girlies want to know. We want to know how I met, we want to know what's going on. And unfortunately or fortunately, you know, just didn't work out. But the fact that she addressed it on her pod means we had to address it on our podcasts, because that's what you have these days, is you have podcasts that you divulge all of your secrets too.
Because which this is gonna this is going to hit page six too for sure.
Hey, page six, come get us Energy Line with Nate and JSB. Yeah, send this one right on over. Please, Andrew Marshawn write a column about us.
At Nate's at Nate's expense, doesn't matter.
It's for the Energy Line.
Yeah, you know, you gotta, you gotta sometimes you gotta block a couple shots. You gotta put your body, lay your body down on the line for the team.
I'm doing that for sure. Yeah.
Well, Nate and I will certainly be able to He'll be able to get me back someday, I know, because him and I both have had illustrious dating careers that have been made for books and books and lots of folklore for years to come.
But Nate, thanks so much for telling us your whole personal life. That was great. And sorry it don't work out with young Christen Cavaleri.
But let's be honest, Hey, it's okay. You know, you don't have to be sorry. It's like I said, life's going to life. She's a good person and things. Sometimes it don't work out.
It's all good, right, Okay, let's transition to our final little bit of the show, where we've been giving flowers to people in hockey has nothing to do with our last topic.
Nate, who do you have here today?
PWHL the Owahu Orcas. Yes, we are going to Hawaii.
Yeah.
Wow.
All I have to say is wow, there's gonna be a professional women's hockey team in Hawaii. So they get to go on the road, like, Hey, I got a game this weekend.
Oh where's your game? Oh I'm going to Hawaii? What?
Yeah?
Like my flowers going to That's amazing.
The logistics seem a little confusing considering there are no West Coast teams yet at the moment, But I do love like when I saw this and I posted it, and it's just like, wow.
This is Is it an April Fools joke?
Is it?
Oh?
My god? I don't know.
Did someone April fools me?
Because if that's I mean, I believed it is it?
Als I asked you.
I said, and I believed it. Don't ask me. I'm the most gullible person there is.
Do we do we get April fools, do we get wet?
Let me just I'm gonna get Julia to Sherry. She's the one that broke it. Maybe I'll give her a shout right now. Get hey, Julia, this is obviously js B because you know, I'm we're recording a podcast right now and you're on speakerphone.
Just you know, Nate, Nate.
Thompson is just giving his flowers to the Wahoo Orcas.
And that's April fools, isn't it? Like what the hell?
Oh?
Like some actual players in the league, what is this?
Yeah? Wow is going to.
Be the head coach. I'm going to be the GM. You have to be able to party if you want to play on the Orcas.
The Oh my god, weit you got us, you got it?
I got I got got, I got got all.
Nate.
I mean I reap. I love it so much.
I'm like I have punk pop And my delivery was so lifeless and.
No, it was news.
I was like, oh, I was like, Julia is breaking news right now, Like that's like her news voice, Like this is like legit breaking news.
That's why I reposted it. And Nate even asked right before He's like, is this true?
And I'm like yeah, and then I was like, yeah, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense since there's no West Coast teams to begin with and that travel.
And then I'm like, wait a second, Acro schools, what's your friend's name again? Julia like that.
Idea was flowed to me.
I are one of our directors.
Jane Buster and one, so I have to give her credit.
And honestly, at first, I was like, this is so stupid, Like everyone's just gonna roll their eyes at this.
I was not expecting to get and I've gotten a lot of people today, but I think that there was reports going around that there was.
Going to be an announcement today, so I think that kind.
Of added to the Wow, your friend gets the flowers, then, yeah, you can't your friend.
Can you? You can't hear her?
I guess right, but your your friend Julia gets the flowers for Julia.
To Sherry, you just got Nate's flowers, which we give out on the end of our show based on your incredible April Fools prank which you pranked us hard live we're recording live right now. Yeah, thanks the show, love everything.
I'm glad you guys like the frank you you there was actual p WHL players who thought that they were at risk.
Of being picked up by the at risk. We were saying how great it would be, get.
Me wrong, but they were just preparing for the expansion.
Okay, Well, all I gotta say is we'll have you on at some point to discuss this and more PWHL because we are big fans of the p dub Here on Energy Line with Nate and jaseb and congrats on being the star surprise star of our show.
Thank you very much, appreciate you guys.
Show.
Yeah, wow, that was wild.
Nice catch, Jewels, you know what.
I'm pretty proud of myself. I'm not gonna lie.
Took me a couple of hours to let the neurons come together in my brain. But then as soon as I said it out loud, I'm like, wait.
Well, you had me all frazzled too, And I was all out of the place of all this relationship talk too before that.
So yeah, I was.
I was doing sixty minutes over here with Nate all over this should make page six as well. Two podcasts hosts so stupid they believed this that.
This was real news.
All right, Okay, well, this has been an absolute gem of an episode, from people coming into my apartment trying to change a smoke a lot to Nate obviously going in depth on his personal life and his you know, on the more serious note, what he's been doing to help normalize the discussion around sobriety, as well as his real in depth questioning on my part about his former relationship with Reality and Just TV star and Star of Everything Chris and Cavalari, which I'm so pumped we got this on, and the fact that Juliet to Sherry just broke some great April Fools news for us. So this was a hooton Nanny of a show, and we got Jake Brown, our producer in here on asking a ton of cues as well. So, guys, we really appreciate you listening to the show and thanks to Jake Brown for producing it. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts, or listen on the iHeartRadio app. Give us a five star rating, Please write a nice review. I'm Julie Stuart Binks. He's Nate Thompson. Nate and I will be back with another episode next Tuesday.
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Just a few weeks away, and thank you so much for tuning in to the Energy Line.
Chat with you next week.
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