Here's an excerpt from Max Chafkin's new podcast Everybody's Business, co-hosted with Stacey Vanek Smith. From now on, if you want to hear the whole episode and all past and future episodes, head to your podcast app of choice and search for Everybody's Business. A handy collection of links can be found here.

For now, enjoy this conversation with stacy-marie ishmael about President Trump's novel crypto strategy.