Eddie and JimmyTassie "it’s a mess, start it again" & "turn your body and you won’t get hit"
James Hird joins Eddie McGuire as they try to figure out what is going to happen to Tassie! And they celebrate Neale Daniher and Hirdy has some advice for players getting bumped.
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There's no point saving on the fail. There's no point having another team in there that isn't competitive.
No, but again I look at it for all that you're not going to get the players done.
But how do you generate revenue? I mean, I mean, I know a lot of your revenues generate through broadcasts, and that's a certain percentage of every club is brought is through through. But if you don't have a good stadium deal, you'll fail.
Hello, everyone, Welcome to Eddie and Jimmy the podcast again. Because of my schedule why in fact, it was the King's birthday schedule. Jimmy Bartel company with us on a Tuesday. But this man can James hurt?
Jim great to be here. Feels like Jimmy must have some very important business on Tuesday.
He does. It's called family, so fair enough all that, and of course they're doing a great job on three W during the drive shift and the nighttime shift the sports show there Wide Water Sports. So good on a Jimmy, we miss your mate, and I'll be heading off overseas to do, as I say it, some reconnaissance aron stadiums and wineries and restaurant.
It's amazing stadium too. It takes a month at anyway, there's a lot of stadiums in Europe.
I'm walking, I told you are.
You're walking between Franklin Parasite.
I'll be at Lords on Friday.
Of course you will. The cricket, of course you will. That's exciting, isn'tthing?
It is? And there a few things there a couple of projects we're doing with cricket. So yeah, you know, as the great Jack Dyer said, James, there's no use being with a ball eight.
That's exactly right, and that's where we're going to be.
Yesterday too, that was a good day with a second. You can join us on nine now and of course YouTube just search for Eddie and Jimmy and we're brought to you by our friends at TAB and thanks to Gil McLachlin and the team at TAB for sporting our podcast. You can also find us at Eddie and Jimmy dot com. Sorry, Eddie and Jimmy at nine dot com dot Au. And then tomorrow Wednesday, we'll go through all your emails and thank you from the plenty of them coming through to have a chat about now. I walked in and I was a busy last night and he said, we've got to mention on the opposition footy shows.
Yeah, I think I showed your interview with text Walker in the Brussa Valley. Well, I don't think it was a positive slant on it.
How long ago was that did interview?
Well, it's gather around, so that was probably two months ago.
So the late mail what happened, Well, I think it my friend Carolyn.
It was your friend Carolyn and your friend yes.
Hey, just before we move on. You do know that and for some reason this is the best kept secret in television that Footy Classifieds have won the year as far as weeks one in the ratings, defeating the agenda setters and quite convincingly. And I mean it's probably an unfair thing because they're not on the main channel there on the Apprentice channel. So I understand today that Craig Hutcheson said, I go it to Damian Barrett on his pot So we're having dueling podcasts.
Yeah, for us not being on air.
Yeah, well that channel channel seven they went on. Are either find it on the on the web somewhere.
No, I did eleven eleven o'clock there.
Okay, Yeah, they think they have an early I think they're on early. But anyway, regardless that, the bottom line is that the like for like ratings, we have won the year. So from halfway bark of the year, I know Craig McCrae says Colin has got to win another couple to get to thirteen or fourteen to qualify, but.
We don't in the Premier League. Hold the trophy.
I've got the trophy, are already doing eleven.
Thing is there's no pressure.
I've already qualified for Europe. We go on tomorrow.
Some of us to be stuck here with this beautiful Melbourne weather, Well, it's pretty good, it's pretty good.
I can't believe people. I do laugh at our weather. Over the summer. You get three days over thirty now and it's a it's a heat wave. And finally we've had the best weather names of mankind and we've got a bit of cold and some rain in the meantime. You know, the lead story is that there's a trout and the drought breaks on the weekend. Literally it breaks. What happened to the story of the journo standing up in the middle of a farm, standing there with the rain tumbling down on them going and farmers jumping up the air. And then I heard that the farmers were saying that it was too cold because the rain wasn't singing in. But it's coming. But so we got the rain. But I think we're going okay, and I feel for the farmers in our situations.
Incredible.
The weather in Melbourne has been incredible and.
The day here yesterday, it was just a wonderful day, wasn't it.
So of course, because we're an ideas showed this one, Jim. You surely we start to look at in a changing world that we might have to mitigate. Do we need to build some dams up in that area of western and central Victoria.
Where to hold the water rut?
There was a flood there two years ago. Remember Rochester I think got flooded out three times in a row. And our friends in New South Wales had had a flood a fortnight ago, yes which was reported extensively on the television news is in City, on the Today Show and the Sunrise programs. But I don't think they ever knew where he had a drought, and which is disappointing. And I say that only because it's fresh in my mind. Because the project has finished its run. Givene says the project was asked it ran for sixteen years.
How long time, isn't it like saying the footy Show was acted.
After five years? That's going to hiatus hiatus. But I thought the project. I was a big support of the project early on when it didn't rate to start with, because it was different.
Well, I think what it did it captured a whole new audience for current affairs really needed from a different angle or cut or popular affairs more than and I think.
Also what was good about it in its early incarnations is it it opened up people like Charlie Pickering and Walidli and Carrie Bigmore who were very intelligent, worldly people living in the media world. But not necessarily journals because I watched sometimes, you know that the election telecasts and of course that's scran final day for political journalism, fair enough and away you go. But to be handed, they had a couple of hosts in there who knew and that's what Karl does well on those things. And you know they should have other people in there who actually know these people, who actually deal with them, not just in the day to day cut trust of a Canbra Press Gallery but I thought that it was a wonderful show in it that was very much a show that was of its time. I tried to get one up similar to it in Channel nine when I was CEO, so it was before the project. Then they came and went, well done Craig, Craig and Rove and the team. I thought, beauty, this is good and it took little while to get going and then and it was only because people had defined it, which happens in right now. Usually get twelve months to really get your your feet under the table. As they say. TV tends to cut a bit too quickly. And Channel ten they probably didn't have much to put on, but they stuck with it and they found an audience and then it was great. I mean LESA. Wilkinson's story on you Know all the Stuff I'm up in Canberra was.
What's on Channel ten?
Now we know what they're going to do. They're going to they're actually going to change it up and go to a what they're saying is a harder hitting style. So now sixteen years than the track, it's a completely different cast, it's a different moment, it's a different you know.
Well, people want more sensations, but not.
I think also James that the people who were twenty who were finding it now are thirty six and probably married.
With two kids.
It changes, you know, So when that show started, you know the twenty year olds of today who are there were four and generations take off quickly, and the way people find their news, and if you want that style of news, you're getting bombarded with it on TikTok and Instagram and everything else. So I think, you know, I hate it when I've been hearing all one of the other the show the project acted and it's it's so hurtful for all the people who work on it did everything right. It just it's like the manufacturer. It's like the Blake who built horse and carts. When the car came in, it did a great job. GEEZU sue this community well and it worked until it didn't.
Sixteen years should be celebrated rather than talk about as many shows, not many shows at sixteen years, what was it Faulty Towers when they have eleven episodes in total and one of the greatest shows of all time. You didn't hear Faulty Towers getting asked.
No, no, no, But the footage I got axed after twenty five years and got axed after twenty five years.
And we'll celebrate just finished running out of time.
It was great. So I hope people do that, but probably won't because everyone who's who writes these things in the newspaper online these days is a is a NARKI smarter, So that's what you're going to come.
Was it the good News TV channel last one day?
Well, it's a bit like the foot at the moment though, unless you're picking the faults with them. And I thankfully, I thank god May and Big MAXI had a blue yesterday because that's got us. That stopped us talking about a bump.
Yeah, a bump.
Seriously, Stuart cleaned up Narah Anderson in the most innocuous bump. Anderson was sideways going into it was what opened hit by somebody.
Who was it's too but the Cherir one's the same, and everyone has a different opinion on the chair of one, but the Stewart one Anderson did open himself up. Close your body. If you're going to run into a contest, close your body so you don't get hurt.
Turned and ran from a fair way out. Now you're a lot of victims shop. But Chera should have myself in that situation. I'll have a bit of an argument against because now Cherah has been taught by everyone not to protect themselves, so when it comes at him.
Well, I don't know if you are to I still in football you're taught to turn your body. Durham should get weeks. I agree with the way the rule is, the way Durham should have waited and tackled him, But I do think the game has led to this happening because players are allowed to just open their body up and they're not backing out back in oun day, back in the day, but you should turn your body protect yourself.
It's as simple as this. The AFL have tried to turn it into a game that it can't be because of the litigation and the protection the head, and we're all for that.
I agree Durham should get two weeks of those rules. But Chera turned your body and you wouldn't got hit exactly.
So my point is though, that we have to get back to players knowing that rule number one, the only judy of gear you've got is to yourself self exactly. Okay, So if cher has got a judy of gear to himself. He protects himself. No, Anderson's are saying.
But no, Ansin's eyes that were actually on on Stuart. No, no, if you look at the vision, No, Andson takes his eyes off the ball, looks at Stewart, his foot hits the ball, knocks it away. If I see you running at me and I still open myself up like that, that's just not smart. It's just silly.
Brace's good right in the bump exactly what they tell you.
Darren Mlaine was running at you in the day and you open yourself up like that. You were taught to turn your body, but that.
Was the way. But you also taught how to ride bumps. You know. There is a technique. Yeah, And I don't know if anyone's teaching that nown to Eleven's anymore, But there is a technique.
Well, I hope they are.
I don't think they are. I don't think they know.
A lot of people even know these days, even Dad at Port Melwan, we roll balls and we teach them how to turn their body. Turn your body, hit with your hip, with your backside.
Well, the great Daryl board I goes to say this to have women players at Collingwood because they were told, no, you've got to keep your head over the ball, because that was a term used by the late great Robert Walls. And you know, and I said to a couple of girls, you know, it's particularly some of the lighter ones who are fast and fleet of foot with some skill. So I said it to Sara roh her, I splice, what do you do? She banged her shoulders. Then you going this, stay out, get her going and get that she's a hard out of playing and she gets it out to you. You run, that's the you know, you don't have to get killed. And she said, oh, I know, you've got to keep your head up. I said, I said. There was a fairly decent player whose name you won't even know. His name was Darryl Bulldock. Okay, now, I know that these days we've got a new best player in the history of the game every every week. But back in the day when they actually had to consider view, the Dock was regarded as one of the greatest certainly ball control players. I've ever seen him. Controllable, yeah, yeah, And the doc used to say, never put your head where you can put your ass, and that was always the way, go inside way and not only that, but you know, I'm telling you what happens when you were going like that, you get the ball, it opens up one hundred and eighty degrees to get a handble out of a kick or you know a decos will run into the grass. Run, don't run into the pack, you run out.
Well. Jimmy Bartel is one of the previously the co hosts here. He the way he goes was going for the ball, love center of gravity. He would never get hit in the head. Just he always turned his body and bounce out of bounce out of a concast with the ball in the hand. Yeah, yeah, and that's you know that that still should be the way you play football, but I don't think it is anymore.
Well, the technique for a bump and going at the ball was always to the ball's there. And you you know, if your dominant side was your right side, was to get your left foot over the ball to keep keep your opponent out, fend them off. And as I said, then you've got the ball and it's a left hand handle, a right hand handle or out you go.
Get your foot across their body. Yeah, get your lay across their body so they can't And then you've got the ball and you take breaks.
We haven't planned to go into this ball. We keep going. Then the back rule is now it's causing me to have palpitation too.
I mean thinking about this a lot in the back and eyes on the ball. When I was playing, if you took your eyes off the ball to actually even touch a player and knock over the ball, that whist will be blowing. Now you can actually take your eyes off the ball, hold them out and put your eyes back on the ball. It gets rid of all. If you keep your eyes on the ball, you can't go reaching, you can't go pushing.
But I'm in the in the back as well of riding a bloke into the ground, I mean now the guy's tackling and driving them into the ground. Now I thought, you know, the blake from North Melbourne got three weeks a couple of weeks back for something similar. But this whole situation now if they pay there as a free kick, not only is it a free kick, because that's the rules, you're not allow to pushing one in the back. It's not just push, it's ride them into the back. But it also opens up the game. You get up, you take a free kick. What happens when you get a freekick? Everyone spreads instead we have another ball up.
Yeah, yep, and Rockman hold each other and the ball doesn't go anywhere.
And yesterday I reckon there was world record for time taking to throw the ball in from the boundary line and throw it in short.
Throwing, throwing interesting, throw it in. Yeah, it wasn't just like yes those games and some examples crossed the weekend where the ball wasn't getting the.
Right But I hear that they don't want to do it because they feel it's a slight that they have to come and just come in. We want the ball into the corridor.
Yeah, exactly if.
You have to get us one of those things that they used to shoot the T shirts into the crowd whatever.
You know, they banned them, really, the T shirt shooters.
Yeah, I think I occupation other than safety. It's dangerous. Somebody might fall out of the stand trying to catch one.
I feel like you might have had a business and that you've been upset.
No, now we started at a colind Yeah, there's been band for twenty years. Do I go to America? There's certainly shooting people on the cap as well.
Shooting reporters. Yeah, now obviously we don't want to get any legal tod Did it look like he was looking at it? It looked to me now whether it was or it wasn't, but I'm like, he was looking.
I reckon. But I'll tell you what, I need to check this guy. I've only seen the vision once. I was on my phone, but I don't know if the just channing on the reporter and a really good reporter too. But I don't think she had a media vest on, right, Okay, I got to have a media vest.
On in that situation.
She's got a microphone, but she's had a back and you're not moving and they're telling people to move on. I mean in a warzone, you know, it's a bit like you know, it's not There's a lot of people walking down the street and it's again coming towards it across the road. I know you have every entitlement to stay on your side of them.
I've never been shot before, but shot by rubber bullet? Does that break the skin? Does it bounce off?
For what's there's a nasty bruise, It doesn't go It's like we hit by a squash.
But a bit harder.
Maybe with a few times a few on top of that, what's one of the great seven reporters back in the day, Mike Barrett. He got shot and rubber bullet in Belfast went waking around there.
And when he rubber bullets shot Belfast normally normal ones made.
A few extra added to it. But yeah, I remember so a couple of it by the rubber ballats over the years. But yes, it wasn't good. But I'm with you. I thought there was a bit of a Yeah.
I mean, I don't know how you want to go into it.
It's probably well, if you're going to fire a rubber ball, he might have hit somebody.
I just felt for it.
But that's the idea, is that.
Yeah, I just clear. I would have thought that bloke with the cap he would have seen the cameraman, that wouldn't he. Yeah, it's interesting. It is interesting times.
Back to the foot Big Freeze eleven. I teared up yesterday. Yeah, it was teared up watching the last bit.
Yeah, it was very special, yea.
And I thought the boys, both teams were wonderful to come to the boundary line, not to have it it just it was just really unique and Neil's family and everybody there in the footy world and packed them CG and sea of those blue beanies and the fun of the fair, which is it's so Neil to have something that, in the most tragic of circumstances he does something that is hilarious and offbeat and a real country sort of Irish sense of humor. It is the Dana her family to have a laugh and to take the mick and make a lot of money. And I was in the first meeting with Bill Guest and Neil portsy Parp. I've got a facult and Neil had just been diagnosed and he said, no one knows anything about it. I tell people I've got this a neuron syndrome and disease mode neurone disease. And he said, no one knows what it is. And he said, look, I just want to bring some publicity to it. So what do you reckon we do something around King or Queen's birth as it was at that stage. And that was President of Collingwood, So that's what I was there, and I said, of course, and we'll support it on all the shows and and the original one. Can I tell you that you know the original idea. There was two, so he said, yes, let's do this and Neil said, at the time, I don't want to. I'm not worried about making money out of this. He said, oh, I was bringing some attention to it and wit jack joke because it was Bill Guest, who is just one of the gratefulanthromis in this town. He said, he was vice president of Melbourne at the time.
I praying footy club as well.
Yeah, great, just great, full stop, great man, Billy Guest, And I said to him, so there's a very Melbourne way of thinking. I said, we don't do a collin wo make some money as well anyway, So some of the original ideas was coming off the old ice bucket that was going around the world at that stage. So what we thought and Melbourne were going useless at that time, and we're going all right, And I said, what don't we do in March where we Collingwood comes across with our sixteen cups and said, people forget that you've got twelve, twelve and get them around and then we've got twenty eight cups and maybe we go around the boundary line and everyone gets a poncho and you can pour ice on your head and get a fart up with the Premiership Cup. So that was the sort of first idea.
And only fifteen at that time anyway, fifteen fifteen. I just want to remind you didn't have sixteen, but.
None with asterix.
If you don't have to get the.
Extra runs on the head because the salary cap I couldn't get it over it.
That's saying fifteen.
Anyway. One in three years we're there in the Grand Final. Anyway, Okay, we'll get sixteen. Now I've just said the time at fifteen O sixteen, maybe seventeen this day very likely as they sing in the sound of music, I'm sixteen going on seventeen.
I was just making a point, that's all, you guys.
Ain't anyway back to the point. So the second idea was this. They came up the slide and what originally was going to be the situation was they were going to have an auction and the four people who are going to be auctioned to go down the slide and depending on and there's going to be one person to go down the slide, and the four were me, Sam Newman, Andrew Demitriu who at that stage, and Caroline Wilson, which I thought was a great honor that until I realized they thought, no, these are the foremost hated people. Well, the four people that the most.
People seeing an ice bath.
And it would have been tougher characters. The three of us would have pulled our resources. So that's where it was. And then and then people like Lewis Martin got involved in Channel seven and as I said, Billy guest and then it came up with what it became. And now it's evolved into characters and yeah, it was wonderful sorts of different things and it's fantastic.
If you don't, no, I haven't, I haven't. The thing that struck me yesterday was the legacy that people leave in football. And you know, whether you're in premierships, whether you're was coaching premierships, whether you're in Norm Smith's, whether in Brownlows. But what struck me yesterday's his legacy is as big as anyone, or bigger than almost anyone. He's performance as a player, I mean, he was a superstar that got cut down. He was an extraordinary coach, made the Grand Final. But that legacy that he's left is it can't be surpassed. And through something that's as horrible as it is. I just see his kids and his grandkids and he out in the ground. That last few minutes yesterday was incredible.
A lasting and enduring memorial needs to be decided on. I think a statue absolutely is the spot. There's an idea for that. I'm just looking around here now. I love the Shane Warren stand. I do love what they do in Adelaide though, with the various things. I think that this side of the stand over here the old fifty six Olympic stand that was filled and for the first time in a Grand Final as Ron Brassi won the fifty six Premiership against Collingwood, I think that that should be called the Ron Brassy standard. I think the member standard. I love the fact that.
A few names on each stand, doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, So.
I would like to see where they have the slide for that to be the Neil danaher Bane or Terrace or something. It doesn't take it from the Shane worn stand, and it's a shamee worn stand. I don't think wanting it to have any issues with.
Sharing sharing it with There's a lot of space there isn't it.
Well, But just where that is you know where they where they fashion did they do it? It was one of those plays anyway, wherever they did it yesterday. I think that would be would be would be nice. Maybe we change the color of the seats in that bay.
To red and blue well.
Or even green for island or I don't know whatever his favor color. It is probably blue for the for the beanie. I think.
I think what gets about Neil too is his football brain. I remember because he was he was our assistant coach in ninety three when won the premiership and Carlton had this midfield of of Ratten, h Bradley and Williams and Justin Madden in the ruck and they were just that dominant through and we couldn't beat them. We had Shawn Denham, Garry o'donald and I think Joe Seed in the middle. They're all good players, but not the superstar status. And he devised this center bound strategy that just nullified those three and won the ball out of the middle and Grand Final repeatedly. And that was the catalyst for the Grand Final. I remember sitting in the team meeting on Thursdays going through it and just going wow, that's that's ingenious for you know, and and he's had we had the little TV we're watching back in the day and he's stopping and starting, and people, I think, forget about the football brain that that Neild.
Was also the leading proponent of computers coming into the coach's box, right, okay, computer stats because he had his degree from r M.
I T yeah, that's science.
Computer science was one of the first times I remember as a as a young cadet for the ten minutes I went to my to do the journalism course. My brother he finished it and I think he got a doctorate in it or something. I got an honorary doctor eventually for my services to not turning up. But I remember going up to New Yor one day it was in the year one of the years he had the knee sorry he was out of footy, and asked him can I do any He said no, I just threw of brushed off. But we end upstanding for ten minutes. Isn't what are you doing? And he was telling me about his computer course he was doing and all that computers were. You know, this was just into floppy discs. This I can tell you what it was was early nineteen eighty three right, okay, because I just started, I just came out of high school. More I think about that. What about if we had on the electronic scoreboard there as well, just four blue beanies at every game.
Yeah, you can do that, absolutely something.
But I think we have a statue for him as well. Yeah, and I think we got down to her way. Yeah, and I think maybe we need to formalize that now. It would be great to have Nil's statue at the end of that people can come through it.
Well, I mean even I mean Melbourne coach too, mcc something around the m c C and then being the Melbourne coach for so long as well.
Yeah. Yeah, I think he transcends the clubs and I think that the Bombers and Free Metal of course he was over there, but I think Neil.
He transcends the football clubs for sure.
And I think the memory with what he's doing with a ner own as well. Just something like that. But it'd be good to have him out there with with a beanie on his head.
Yeah. Actually, AFL world making these iconic days, you know, it gets bigger and bigger and bigger, the big Freezer.
We've got to be careful. I think we should keep them to a certain group totally. Don't do them every other week because it starts to dilute. I love the fact that now they're doing it in Adelaide and places as well, and made a new own. Disease has been spoken about everywhere so well under him, it's yesterday was just a great thing of foot. Even better the pie is won.
But even you're lucky, and you're lucky, we're lucky.
Yeah, I think I know, But I thought that Melbourne were coached really well yesterday.
What Simon, what Simon I think has done is really close calling me down a little bit. But also their ball movement. I mean they've always been a fantastic stoppage team and a really good team around the contest, but he's really worked on a ball movement to challenge Collingwood, to make Collingwood defend. There was a time with Josh Acos had a great game. You know, just who causey pick it going.
Of them, you know, yeah, but you know one but they couldn't stop.
But just making him defend at certain times too, because he's got that goal where Josh was just off his man a bit, but making that those attacking her half backs defend, which you have to do against Collingwood because there's so much talent on that team. But again, the Collingwood system and the way they coached is a level above I think anybody else.
Back this morning, Gary Lyone was sitting behind me kicking every time they turned it over going into the forward fifty and there was a few times the.
Options were and shallow and shallow.
The amount of times they kicked to a two on one with Frampton and more. Well, save the day for the.
Pies, But that's actually designed by the Pies too. Yes, as a fall on Melbourne, but the pressure that Colin would put on the on the kicker and also the fact that because Melourne got more around the stoppage, potentially Collinwood we got one back. Do you have to kick too? Don't underestimate what kram Cray is doing tactically and structurally to get them to do that.
And I love what the Pies did the last minute two minutes didn't panic.
Yep. And you can just see when Melbourne were getting on top of Collingwood certain patches of the game. Colin kept game skinny. They went down the line, kept it skinny, kept it tight in that narrow part and there they're long down the line method, which means that when you kick to a contest long down the line. The way they've got the corridor covered, the way they've got layers at the front of the stoppage out at the back of the stoppage again is second to none. It doesn't go unnoticed when you watch the way he's coaching that team and the.
Last couple of minutes, because we'll get to the Max Corn situation again. I thought it was brilliant and even the kick that went to Maxicorn that he marked. Now, in that situation, you either get it out of bounds. We market day market. Of all the people who was going to market, it was probably going to be Max Corn and probably the best person for Collingwood to market in that.
It's pretty funny. It's comics after the game. So what we thought of Ruckman called the play on and his opposite foot king of cast Ball. What could go wrong? I thought it's pretty well something.
I thought Tim Cleary did one of the Sorry Mitch Cleary, Tim Cleare, of course the former I might have sent a congressionally note to the wrong bloke last night. Cleary was absolutely I thought he did a great job in the rooms. No one he gets access to it, but he's obviously line Max up and you could see Max there and tears in his eyes. But he's emotional. But he was.
But even the first question, let's not around, let's get straight in which you know some people had softened him up.
And asked one of those ten minute questions that via the cape and Max answer. And I thought at the end of it, when he walked away, you knew that there was unfinished business, and you knew that he was right royally pissed off with what had been dished up to him. Well, and we know that you know, May known for being scott with his opponents, he's he's got into a fight with one.
Of them, teammates with Jakie, Jakie Melham and Jackie can go a bit Jakie, but I think you can just see Max. I think it's yes, the frustration that game, but I feel it's a frustration of you knows he's times running out, he knows he's been a player that's given everything, and he's got some talent around him, the one one premiership, which is fantastical, but I think he's.
Counted though, because it was the plague premier ma G you're Melbourne relax.
Well, I didn't get to celebrate it. So a couple did, a couple went over and right. But yeah, I think it's a greater frustration I thought.
I thought exactly the same watching and I thought, that's that's Max who's been president, coach, CEO at times, captain, leader, moral guardian, mental health expert in the club, you know, semi policeman and times, all those things. As and as you said, as he watches his own career, having had knee reconstructions and injuries, and he nearly he nearly dug a trench up and down the m c G. He ran up and down and the battle with him and Cameron was just really good football. But his marking and you know, we don't can get near Max, you know, because he was so good and in the end he was the one who still thwarted Collin on Colin would take a mark and the game's over. Now. His kickout was no good, But where was the player wrapping around? It's where was mate running around for the squ up there They should have square it up to somebody who could kick it out. Having said that, I think Colin would have the number back anyway. It doesn't matter the game to the game, But I thought I thought it was I felt for Max that he copped a public pollocking.
Yeah, but I think he moves moves one.
But of all the people, he's the one.
You go. What evidently he said? Did you think it was ten seconds ago? Is that that? That's what I think that Tom Morris is saying this morning on the radio. But yeah, it feels like Max is in the right.
I don't think meant to kick it to little hoskuldn't have thoughts. And I think he thought we've got thirty seconds yere, Yeah, and goals of haven't exactly been raining down on the mc juial afternoon. We've got one last go and just missing it.
Yeah, and again Collingwood in there in their best form, which they are, they would have thought through that better. They would have set up for that. I just don't think Melbourne did.
What's the one kick that a ruckburn is going to do out of the back pocket, smacking on his foot, smacking kicking down the line ball.
Has left foot pin? Yeah, it's called play on too.
Yeah, well, and he's exhausted, but.
Yeah, to me, it's it's a bigger it's a bigger thing than just that. But there were some positive science in Melbourne. I thought, that's the best I've seen them play for a long time.
What's did you have much full and frank discussion with blokes when you're playing.
Absolutely yeah, Tony Short did miss anyone. Tony Short missus was a runner for Colin God. He gave it to us all but one day, kept coming out and telling me, giving me a few instructions on my life and how I was living it. No, definitely, I mean you look, when when you play with competitors, you're going to have that. I remember Scottie Lucas, Matthew Lloyd, I remember Dean Solomon one day crack at him. He came back at me. It was one of the best mates. And Dean Wallace, Mark Harvey I didn't remember, got the ball out of the middle one day and didn't give him a hand or had a shot a goal on halves gave me the best spray of all time. It happens, just competitors, It should happen.
But you're playing on edge, that's right, you're actually playing at high emotion. Yeah, and you know and part of it for some players is to rev themselves right up, almost into a state just that's the old needles like that. You don't want to be there, but you want to be pretty close there.
And you see all the supporters see the two hours or two and a half hours are playing, the build up that comes into that, and the emotional energy that builds up all week to play that two and a half hours. When you lose, it's totally flattening. And then you know you've got to get yourself up for next week. I mean, I'm not sure when Melbourn played this week. If if we've got a game and I can't remember the all, but if they play in six days or five days, they play Sunday, it's a six day break. Got to pick themselves up and got to go again and in a must win game if there are any hope of making the finals. You can just see that that energy being drained out of the players.
Yeah, what Sunday against Port Adelaide in Adelaide.
Yeah, that's not an easy game. I'll be waiting for him over there, absolutely away.
That's good. Now we'll move through one last one. The hard tag on Nick Dakos was it was interesting. As I said, there's another one though, which is good for the calling with people, but it was a really good battle line. I thought he worked his way through it well and I thought ed Langdon played a pretty big game of foot.
Heall we were talking about on Sunday night, Jimmy and I on on the furnace on Channel nine, which about what we would do, and we we thought going with all of around the stoppage and then get someone to get him on the way through was because we didn't think Melbourne had a player that could do it. But I think ed Landon did really well. And Nick did well to have his what eight and touches and kick a goal and nine and touches and kick a goal. But I'd hard tag him every week because if he gets if he gets hold of you, his skills and his ability are just unbelievable. So I think Melbourn did a really good job limited him and the two clubs that I've seen him do the best of the giants in round zero where they basically went over the top and beat him up, to be honest, and maybe it was a bit too much, and Melbourn did a good job, but the champion that Nick is means that he still has an impact on the game.
So what would Colin would do? Put him forward for.
A little while, put him forward moving a half back, or just lead him fight through it. That's the other thing to go in. And that's the other thing. And you know he got a couple of free kicks with was that Ed Allen who was over trying to help him out and did a good job. And you've got to help him. But sometimes just play through it, I mean, and he did. And because it's learning these games, not in the Grand final or a final, how to work through a tag because he will get tagged in a Grand final or a final. And if he knows how to handle it, go to half back, go to half forward, move around. The advantage Colin would have is he could play five different positions in the space of ten minutes and work out where best to take that tigger. All right, Tazzy, Yes, your friend Jackie Lamby's come out to support you, hasn't. She took no prisoners with the AFL, she called them.
I think she's got a bit attica going at the moment, Senator to Jackie Lamby, and she.
Certainly she's a fan of yours. I read that artist on Friday where she said that the AFL has got poor leadership. They're soft there. They're nice people, but they're not strong leaders and they could really do with an E. McGuire type running the show. So you must have been and Jeff Kennet got to mention to Jeff and yourself. So your chance to take on a roll at the AFL.
Probably not because I'd probably be pretty tough in there.
Yeah. Yeah, no, it was really interesting. It was a really interesting take because not many people have the ability to question the AFL, particularly in the Melbourne media or in the Melbourne they don't question the AFL and they're leadership. But that was different taken. You know, she has she made some pretty strong points.
Yeah, it's a mess at the moment.
Yeah, I mean I read do you agree with ah done?
Look, I mean, look, it's always if somebody says no to you, you think they're wrong. And if you've got an argument and they're sort of placating you, then you think they're just giving a lip service. So, I mean, this is becoming more and more and more involved. But I'll go back again to the original meeting which I was in and it was it was the day that we actually found out that COVID was going to you know, cause Mary health the season and we're talking about Tazzy and it was one of those ones that Tassy wanted. It used to come up all the time. I didn't even think about it because it just made no sense, made no commercial sense. And I mean I always said to them and what I would have done, and what I'd still do is that I would have poured money into Tasmania, into development. I'm going to build it up or to built facilities around. This is what I do today, because it's a mess. I'd almost start again, right and you know the stadium thing, you know, as I said here looking at this magnificent stadium, thinking we need a new one of those soon and this one's going to be probably got ten years left. And you and I here last week, going do we hang on for another five years until this is just about cooked and not got it all down? And start again? What do we do? I'm going over because Tottenham Hotspurs ground, since they fixed it up, they can't jump over their fan satisfaction, even when they're losing the money they're making over. Look at what they're doing at in Real Madrid at the bernabout same thing with the where they can change the surface. They're doing the same surface now at Mile High Stadium in Colorado, and for all the snow that they have there, they want to keep that as an individual sort of thing, which is an argument to not have a roof in tas Maney in some way, except they're putting a headed roof around it so that it gives creature comfort for the people at the game. So it melts the snow so that the weight doesn't come down on it, so it rolls off and they harvest that rain as well for an other day and they're putting in the surface. So it's one of those things. Whichever way you look at it. You've got to spend a bit of money on a stadium if it's not going to just look like Windy Hill and Victoria Park with a bit of lipstick on what what's your just a So I would go in there and I would turn the originally the Tasmanian team into a really great VFL team, get them playing every week. I'd have the under for everything from under tens right the way through playing in South Australia in Victoria in state games and getting them going, and I'd have scholarships and I'd fix up the universities down there and pick out a couple of key things, whether it's medical research into hamstrings or sports science or whatever. I'd be trying to get in on the Olympic money. I'd be doing a deal so that the Australian Sailing Institute was on constitutional dock with a sitting in the Hobart Finishes right next to where that ground's going to go. I'd be putting in a medical facility for the community into that building, so it's not like this where we're the only people he is sitting here today doing one because we've got a podcast studio in a box where everything else. Get it working. That's a seventy story building that's empty except for three hours a week. Can't have that in tasmanage. It's got to be working. It's got to be a microcosm of the community. You've got to get it going. I'd be really pushing. You know, it's all very Tim Lane yesterday and Througha just absolutely running dead on the whole thing, and rich A trying to go the other way, and you know, Martin Flanning is a great thinker. And you know, as he said today, the state sport in Tasmania is protesting. They protest against them. I've been told they say no progress is progress. So they're not thinking like we're going, We've going to grow our city. They're going, no, no, this is what we want. We don't want it. We're retirement age. We love it. So I'm looking at going, well, you're going to teach some kids how to build. You know, there's there's employment in the building. You know, you get there the intellectual property down there as well, so they're building. Then they do build houses. Well, suddenly you've got a building industry that's going. And I think they've got to rebuild that bridge at some stage down there, the Tasman Bridge here, that's got a bit of got a few issues to it. And then but the other side to it, of course is then every week or eleven weeks there at least you've got kids who are working there in their hospitality industry, and that that travels. I mean I go overy and all the stadiums I will go to next week, I'll get I have that many photos with Aussies who had their first job here.
Well, the rest of the world moves on, it does stand still. You're falling behind. Well your view on what will happen, like will will there be a team there were twenty twenty eight or not.
There's a MENI here today right, So this is the thing that Tassi's also. I tried to be as polite as I could last week. I was on Asally right down in Tasmania and I said, listen, it's all very very well, pointing at the eighth because the AFL away sis to the presidents who make the say no, the AFL run what's going on? So I came back to the original medic. So it got talking about it and so in the end I went, I looked around. I saw Brendan Gal who's the Richmond Cittier at that stage, and I said, Brendan, can I ask a question without notice? And that's stand up? I said, is there any sense in doing this from a Tasmanian point of view and from a football point of view? And you know he's probably the number one CEO in the competition that stage, I said, when you go to sleep at night and you look up at the crack in the ceiling and you're thinking about this, what are the pros and cons? And off the cuff he stood up and he gave an excellent summation of where it was at that stage, without anyone having to put their hand in their pocket, but what was required, why it was so important? And then I went to a breakfast the other day that he had in the Tasmania team and suddenly I'm not thinking about you know, the stadium and you know whether there's a blockade and I sort of stuff, and you go back to what footy means to a community and and and how it can actually grow people. And you know, I look at I look at it as what did Mona do to tourism and art because they spent some money as opposed to the craft festival at Salamanca Market or something. You know. That's so that's the way I look at it. Now. I'm happy to hear other people's point of view because I'm a bit progressive and I'm about growing things. And you know, there's you know, I look at something and you know, people say, if it's not broken, don't fix it. I say, if it's not broken, break it and fix it. Better progress you have a look, you've got to keep moving because, as you say, if if you're not going forwards, you're going backwards in life. So again, if you know they talk about the two stadiums down there, could it work now? I mean, let's let's go go back to scratch. If you played seven and five games down there or whatever it is that they play, would it work yeah? Sort of maybe?
Yeah, but I don't something they want that to happen. They will let that happen.
No, But but you know, at some stage do you go back to do we end up having Tazzy as an outpost team and forget about them ever being the West Coast Eagles running onto op the stadium.
And there's no point to fail. There's no point having another team in there that isn't competitive.
No, but again I look at it for all that you're not going to get the players.
Down there, But how do you generate revenue? I mean, I mean, I know a lot of your revenues generated through broadcasts, and that's a certain percentage of every club is brought is through through. But if you don't have a good stadium deal, you'll fail.
It's it's as simple as it is. It's like it's like when your kids nagging wanting ice cream for breakfast. The easy thing is okay.
I can't imagine, Carl, I've ever giving your kids.
I remember famously my wife when we moved to Sydney. I'll tell your little story heard you have never told this one on there that one night and all the mothers invited color out. You know, we have pizza and coke night at the Michael Place.
I can't believe you're anyway.
No, I'm happy if the boys have lemonade, but we don't have coke. And they said no, the preachers, for the.
Goodness, there's no drug testing there.
You wonder why, you wonder why it's hard on?
Wow?
There you go anyway. So yeah, it's a mess. They've got to get themselves together. So I tend to you.
Would you be hard on you're you're the chairman of the a f L. It's been talk about you being that role. Let's say it's your You're in that role. Now, would you say no stadium or would you look at a compromise.
Well, I tell you what I would have been doing from day one, and that is I'd be putting the Prime Minister in the headlock.
Ye get it, build one.
And they've got to pay. Tassy's got nothing for a long time. Yeap, Queensland is going to get it all for the Olympics. And that's great, and that's so that much power they should have for you. Yeah, but again they Tazzy deserves it. Now. What they've got to get over Tazzy then is if it's if they get the dough for it, then don't tell me where to build, build it in the right spot. And if it's not that, let's find the right spot. But let's let's actually come up with consensus, because I'm just worried that what ends up happening is the first time they turn aside you know there's an artifact there, then then that's going to be the end of it.
Well that is possibly anyway, though, isn't it?
It is? But you can you know if you go looking for it. You know, there's a there's an issue with the rsl cenotaph, I believe.
But the one thing we do know about stadiums, if you put them too far out outside the city center, people don't go. And the great thing about this stadium Adelaide oval an optus is that you can walk from the CVD and I think the thriving sea. But it thrives because of it.
That group of people I listened to Tim Laney said, and you know it's very much if I'm handing out gold bars in Hobart, someone's going to complain they're too heavy.
So what's issue of every issue? Right? No, he doesn't want it.
No, he wants a team, but he wants it on their terms. And you know they want it to be like I think they all still think that that Roy's heart's gon to be playing a center half forward and you know and hard Hoo at full forward and the dock in the center and Barry Lance would full back and Richie is going to come off the half forward. That's where the thinking is, No, no, you're coming into the AFL. It's they sort of. I agree so much with Martin Flannigan's peace today and disagree with so much of it. Well, what it basically is is and he's totally right about the essence of football and the things that well yesterday, I look at yesterday as a good example. The danaher family more homespun than any other family's probably playing very intelligent, very very smart Neil, as you said, as a coach, but he has a homespun thing that really is. You know, if you landed and looked at it for the first and I go, that's a bit naff. People dressing up, you know and going into the water. Yeah, okay, eleven years I want to do something else. No, no, we love it. Okay, So that's there. And what's this day King's birthday? Silver King? Have you? I think? So? Yeah, people don't care. It's there. And here we are in one of the most sophisticated grounds in the world getting old but let's just call it waters Are and you're doing these things, so you've got the best of both worlds. You had the slide and the fun and the everybody feeling part of it wearing a blue beanie. You then had the sophistication of the stadium, and then you had all the tactics in the world. And then a ball down or knock them down between Collingwood and Melbour, which they've been doing for one hundred and twenty seven.
But the seriousness of raising money or an awareness for a disease's killing a lot of people, in ruining people's lives, and.
It's handed over to the most sophisticated medical scientists to find a cure, or at least.
I think that's what the day in the end talk. If you go to the essence of the day, it's about this has actually been.
And that's what Tassy is that the people are looking that Tazsi should be like it was as opposed to where it's going. Whatever is built in Tasmania has to stand up against twenty sixty, not twenty twenty five. It's got to be a twenty sixty statum. Stones've got to go for thirty years. So if you're building one that could have been built in nineteen sixty, you're one hundred years out of date before they bounce the first one.
And I think what people are I agree with a lot of them. They say say football is not more important than life, and it's not. But football helps a lot of life, and it helps a lot of people and it cures a lot of.
Can I have some fun before I need to go to Osporal You can actually just enjoy life.
And get in Maybe it's okay fun.
You have a bit of fun.
You'll eat sometimes, careful where you do it.
That Bartell metal all right, Jamal has given through to Maxy Holmes.
I don't disagree with that Max Homes played.
Do you coach him?
I did, yep, coach him in his first coach when no, I wasn't I was. I think he was playing under I reckon under twelves and I was coaching under thirteen and watched this kid play before us and he was beating. Everyone said we do you want to come play the second half of us. We dragged him over to us about with the Paran Junior Football League about ten times and it was his little star.
Yeah, and it was exactly the same, wasn't he. He used to come off the out of the center of the half back flake just get hit all the time.
And yeah, kill and get up the Yeah. Well his mum was His mum was just and they get the ball. And his mum was an incredible athlete. She was an incredible athlete and she was in the same running group. John Quinn was her athletics coach when he was coaching est with the head of Fitness Essence, so we did a bit of work together as well.
But MAXI was great, So he's he was fantastic. His brother's coming up too, all right, as fast as he goes. Josh Acos gets two and Nick Martin the Bombers.
It's a bit Jimmy watching the.
Jam Jamal in America. Okay, okay, must have gone a bet at halftime.
Done Jamal three quarter a time when they come good?
Right, okay, all right, Bartel Metal like I'll read out the role. Meek, Wodell, Ginevan Richards, Simpkin, Rosie Silvanni, gorn In, Martin get one, Keys, Rachelle, McCluggage, Buckley, Ashcroft and Jordan get two, and Choll, Blakey, Holmes and Butters gets three.
I still love Jimmy's voting system. He just loves it. Gives half the AFL votes here, so.
He's given no Collingwood gorn gets none. It's it would have been Josh.
I just had a couple kicked on him. Though a couple kicked on him. I mean, I say, you know, you've got to look at both sides, not just attack the defense as well. Jimmy wouldn't defend it ladder Jimmy tackle. I can't remember.
So the leaderboard is in Decos in front, and then Rosie and Butters on eleven. H and B Smith who missed out on the weekend Hamstring with a HAMI which he had from the week before that. That was interesting. You saw him go to the hamstring the week before and you would have thought there was no way you would play. What is this? What is this magic potion that people think they have at football clubs. You have a hamstring of any type, you're out.
For three weeks minimum. Yeah, you can get some referral from your back occasionally, but very very rarely.
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