Our latest unemployment numbers have caught some by surprise.
Stats NZ figures show a 4% rise in the three months to December.
That's up from 3.9% in the preceding three months but below most economists' predictions, who'd been expecting between 4.2 and 4.3%.
ASB Senior Economist Mark Smith told Mike Hosking there's potential these figures are more reflective, and things may have actually worsened.
He says other indicators —like benefit numbers— having been rising steadily.
LISTEN ABOVE

Kevin Putt: Former Springbok previews the final Greatest Rivalry test between the All Blacks and Springboks
02:18

Leon Panetta: Former Defence Secretary and CIA Director on the US-Iran war
08:17

Graeme Edgeler: Constitutional law expert on an MSD review which found more than 30-thousand cases, where benefits and payments were wrongly suspended
04:04