National wants to turn our attention away from the fact the number of people on welfare is going down.
More than 21,000 people moved off a benefit and into work in the three months to September.
National's Louise Upston says the more important figure is that 35,000 more people are staying on a benefit for more than a year.
She told Kate Hawkesby the National party isn't willing to see people write their lives off and become welfare dependent.
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