AUKUS is expected to be a topic at today's trans-Tasman meeting.  

New Zealand and Australia's Foreign Ministers and Defence Ministers will meet for talks in Melbourne today.  

Australia New Zealand Leadership Forum Co-Chair Greg Lowe says it's certainly worth having discussions about the second pillar of AUKUS.  

That second pillar involves things like cyber security and AI, rather than military action 

He told Mike Hosking that the meeting is happening at an important time.  

Lowe says financial troubles following the pandemic have been followed by tough geopolitical circumstances. 

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