The latest estimate from the Social Development Ministry shows the average time people spend on a main benefit is around 13 years and four months.  

For people under the age of 25, that figure jumps to more than 20 years. 

Time spent on main benefits is 26% higher than in 2016, following a sustained period of increases under Labour.  

Labour's Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni told Ryan Bridge any government needs to focus on risk factors that lead to people going on welfare. 

She says that Minister Louise Upston continues to make out that it's going on the benefit itself that is problematic and should be punished, but the reality is that there are other factors involved.  

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The latest estimate from the Social Development Ministry shows the average time people spend on a main benefit is around 13 years and four months. &nbsp;
For people under the age of 25, that figure jumps to more than 20 years.&nbsp;
Time spent on main benefits is 26% higher than in 2016, following a sustained period of increases under Labour. &nbsp;
Labour's Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni told Ryan Bridge any government needs to focus on risk factors that lead to people going on welfare.&nbsp;
She says that Minister Louise Upston continues to make out that it's going on the benefit itself that is problematic and should be punished, but the reality is that there are other factors involved. &nbsp;
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Carmel Sepuloni: Labour's Social Development Spokesperson on the length of time people are on the benefit

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A former Finance Minister has praised the direction of the Budget, but says there are some “heroic assumptions” about getting back to surplus in 2028/29. 

It comes sooner than previously forecast, the date based on the OBEGALx measure, which excludes ACC.   

Ruth Richardson told Andrew Dickens that the economy is resting on the shifting sands of what may happen in the Middle East, so we shouldn’t be banking it as a surplus slam dunk. 

“Debt continues to rise, the operating allowance continues to rise, numbers can change, there are a lot of heroic assumptions in those numbers, and it's all on a promise that while they're spending for now, we will have savings later,” Richardson said. 

She also warned if Superannuation was not addressed it would “monster” the Budget. 

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A former Finance Minister has praised the direction of the Budget, but says there are some “heroic assumptions” about getting back to surplus in 2028/29.&nbsp;
It comes sooner than previously forecast, the date based on the OBEGALx measure, which excludes ACC. &nbsp;&nbsp;
Ruth Richardson told Andrew Dickens that the economy is resting on the shifting sands of what may happen in the Middle East, so we shouldn’t be banking it as a surplus slam dunk.&nbsp;
“Debt continues to rise, the operating allowance continues to rise, numbers can change, there are a lot of heroic assumptions in those numbers, and it's all on a promise that while they're spending for now, we will have savings later,” Richardson said.&nbsp;
She also warned if Superannuation was not addressed it would “monster” the Budget.&nbsp;
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Ruth Richardson: Former Finance Minister and Taxpayers' Union Chair unpacks Budget 2026

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The Budget is out, and the Government’s done what it can with the pickle we’re in. 

Put simply, we don’t collect enough tax to pay for the services we run and the people we employ. 

There are only two fixes: either collect more tax — the left’s answer, though the last left Government didn’t have the guts to raise taxes, even while increasing spending. Or cut services and staff — which is this Government’s preference. 

But cuts hit confidence. When the private sector loses heart, tax revenue drops even further. And remember: Government is only 40% of the economy. Our real future depends on the private sector — the 60% where most taxpayers actually live. 

So they’re walking a tightrope. And honestly, this Budget is probably as balanced as they could make it. 

Some argue we should slash everything until the books balance. But the last two years of “austerity-lite” showed that deep cuts push the private sector into an even deeper funk. 

The good news? Treasury is forecasting $10.8 billion more in tax revenue over the next five years — without raising taxes. Spending is still rising, but because it’s not keeping pace with inflation, it’s effectively a real-terms cut. 

So bit by bit, we’re inching toward a healthier position. The only other option is raising taxes — and even Chris Hipkins couldn’t vote for that last election. 

The Budget is out, and the Government’s done what it can with the pickle we’re in.&nbsp;
Put simply, we don’t collect enough tax to pay for the services we run and the people we employ.&nbsp;
There are only two fixes: either collect more tax — the left’s answer, though the last left Government didn’t have the guts to raise taxes, even while increasing spending. Or cut services and staff — which is this Government’s preference.&nbsp;
But cuts hit confidence. When the private sector loses heart, tax revenue drops even further. And remember: Government is only 40% of the economy. Our real future depends on the private sector — the 60% where most taxpayers actually live.&nbsp;
So they’re walking a tightrope. And honestly, this Budget is probably as balanced as they could make it.&nbsp;
Some argue we should slash everything until the books balance. But the last two years of “austerity-lite” showed that deep cuts push the private sector into an even deeper funk.&nbsp;
The good news? Treasury is forecasting $10.8 billion more in tax revenue over the next five years — without raising taxes. Spending is still rising, but because it’s not keeping pace with inflation, it’s effectively a real-terms cut.&nbsp;
So bit by bit, we’re inching toward a healthier position. The only other option is raising taxes — and even Chris Hipkins couldn’t vote for that last election.&nbsp;

Andrew Dickens: We're inching towards a healthier position

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Carmel Sepuloni: Labour's Social Development Spokesperson on the length of time people are on the benefit

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