As the holidays approach, many people feel the quiet resurgence of grief — memories growing louder, empty chairs at the table, and the tender ache of “what ifs” and “if onlys.” In this rerun episode, we revisit Claire’s conversation with Ken Ross, son of Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross and Founder of the EKR Foundation.

Together, they explore the true scope of Elisabeth’s pioneering work — beyond the five stages — into palliative care, hospice development worldwide, grief education, and her extraordinary legacy as a voice for the dying and those who love them.

This episode is a grounding, compassionate companion for anyone navigating grief during the holiday season.

In this episode:


The real meaning behind the “five stages”


Why Elisabeth stopped teaching the stages — and how media distorted them


Her role in building hospices around the world


Cultural barriers to palliative care and global end-of-life access


Personal stories from Ken’s life with his mother


How the EKR Foundation continues her mission today

If this conversation brings you comfort, please subscribe for free on YouTube, Apple, or Spotify — and share it with someone who may need a gentle resource this season.

Holiday Blessings from Dying Your Way — may you feel loved, supported, and never alone on your path.

Learn more or enroll: https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training
Contact Claire: info@dyingyourway.com

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💻 Website: https://dyingyourway.com


📧 Contact: info@dyingyourway.com


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As the holidays approach, many people feel the quiet resurgence of grief &mdash; memories growing louder, empty chairs at the table, and the tender ache of &ldquo;what ifs&rdquo; and &ldquo;if onlys.&rdquo; In this rerun episode, we revisit Claire&rsquo;s conversation with Ken Ross, son of Dr. Elisabeth K&uuml;bler-Ross and Founder of the EKR Foundation.
Together, they explore the true scope of Elisabeth&rsquo;s pioneering work &mdash; beyond the five stages &mdash; into palliative care, hospice development worldwide, grief education, and her extraordinary legacy as a voice for the dying and those who love them.
This episode is a grounding, compassionate companion for anyone navigating grief during the holiday season.
In this episode:
<ul>
<li>
The real meaning behind the &ldquo;five stages&rdquo;
</li>
<li>
Why Elisabeth stopped teaching the stages &mdash; and how media distorted them
</li>
<li>
Her role in building hospices around the world
</li>
<li>
Cultural barriers to palliative care and global end-of-life access
</li>
<li>
Personal stories from Ken&rsquo;s life with his mother
</li>
<li>
How the EKR Foundation continues her mission today
</li>
</ul>
If this conversation brings you comfort, please subscribe for free on YouTube, Apple, or Spotify &mdash; and share it with someone who may need a gentle resource this season.
Holiday Blessings from Dying Your Way &mdash; may you feel loved, supported, and never alone on your path.
Learn more or enroll: <a href="https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training">https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training</a> Contact Claire: <a href="mailto:info@dyingyourway.com">info@dyingyourway.com</a>
📬 Connect with Us:
<ul>
<li>
💻 Website: <a href="https://dyingyourway.com/">https://dyingyourway.com</a>
</li>
<li>
📧 Contact: <a></a><a href="mailto:info@dyingyourway.com">info@dyingyourway.com</a>
</li>
<li>
📱 Instagram: @dyingyourway
</li>
<li>
🗣️ Leave a comment, submit a topic, or tell us your story!
</li>
</ul>
<hr>
🙏 Support the Podcast:
<ul>
<li>
✅ Subscribe &mdash; It&rsquo;s free!
</li>
<li>
💬 Leave a review or comment
</li>
<li>
🔗 Share this episode with someone who needs it
</li>
<li>
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</li>
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Dying Your Way explores the practical heart and soul of our greatest exit. You will hear from family members, carers and patients themselves with profound insights that will shine a light on this mortal experience.

Join certified End of Life Doula as she speaks with experts in the field of death and dying as well as those who bravely share their personal stories as a real life experience.

This is the conversation that looks at death in the way it should be…a courageous and sacred event.

This is Dying Your Way

Join the conversation on our FaceBook group, search for Dying your Way. Or to learn more or contact us go to www.dyingyourway.com.

Dying Your Way explores the practical heart and soul of our greatest exit. You will hear from family members, carers and patients themselves with profound insights that will shine a light on this mortal experience.

Join certified End of Life Doula as she speaks with experts in the field of death and dying as well as those who bravely share their personal stories as a real life experience.

This is the conversation that looks at death in the way it should be…a courageous and sacred event.

This is Dying Your Way

Join the conversation on our FaceBook group, search for Dying your Way. Or to learn more or contact us go to www.dyingyourway.com.

Dying Your Way

Dying Your Way explores the practical heart and soul of our greatest exit. You will hear from family members, carers and patients themselves with profound insights that will shine a light on this mortal experience.
Join certified End of Life Doula as she speaks with experts in the field of death and dying as well as those who bravely share their personal stories as a real life experience.
This is the conversation that looks at death in the way it should be&hellip;a courageous and sacred event.
This is Dying Your Way
Join the conversation on our FaceBook group, search for Dying your Way. Or to learn more or contact us go to <a href="http://www.dyingyourway.com">www.dyingyourway.com</a>.

Dying Your Way With Claire O'Berry

S4E25 - Encore Series for the Holidays — A Conversation with Ken Ross

In this Encore Series episode, recorded in 2020 during the height of COVID, Claire O’Berry and Terry Mepham speak with Dr. Peter Fenwick and his wife, Elizabeth Fenwick, from Scotland.

Peter Fenwick, a renowned neuropsychiatrist and researcher, is widely known for his work exploring near-death experiences and what they may reveal about consciousness, dying, and the human experience at the end of life. Elizabeth Fenwick, a writer and long-time collaborator, brings clarity, warmth, and grounded insight to the conversation. Together, they authored The Art of Dying, the book at the heart of this episode.

This conversation is also a living legacy. Peter died in November 2024, and we offer love and condolences to Elizabeth and to all who are missing him.

In this episode, we explore:


What first drew Peter into near-death experience research, and what changed his scepticism


Deathbed visitors, end-of-life visions, and why they may matter deeply to the dying


The role of curiosity as a powerful antidote to fear


What preparation could look like, including repairing relationships and releasing old regrets


Why death literacy may deserve a stronger place in medical education and community care

Key moments include Peter’s simple invitation: “If you’re going to die, be curious,” and the reminder that we often talk about death as someone else’s story, not our own.

Subscribe, share, and join us as we continue building death literacy from diagnosis through grief and bereavement.

In this Encore Series episode, recorded in 2020 during the height of COVID, Claire O&rsquo;Berry and Terry Mepham speak with Dr. Peter Fenwick and his wife, Elizabeth Fenwick, from Scotland.
Peter Fenwick, a renowned neuropsychiatrist and researcher, is widely known for his work exploring near-death experiences and what they may reveal about consciousness, dying, and the human experience at the end of life. Elizabeth Fenwick, a writer and long-time collaborator, brings clarity, warmth, and grounded insight to the conversation. Together, they authored The Art of Dying, the book at the heart of this episode.
This conversation is also a living legacy. Peter died in November 2024, and we offer love and condolences to Elizabeth and to all who are missing him.
In this episode, we explore:
<ul>
<li>
What first drew Peter into near-death experience research, and what changed his scepticism
</li>
<li>
Deathbed visitors, end-of-life visions, and why they may matter deeply to the dying
</li>
<li>
The role of curiosity as a powerful antidote to fear
</li>
<li>
What preparation could look like, including repairing relationships and releasing old regrets
</li>
<li>
Why death literacy may deserve a stronger place in medical education and community care
</li>
</ul>
Key moments include Peter&rsquo;s simple invitation: &ldquo;If you&rsquo;re going to die, be curious,&rdquo; and the reminder that we often talk about death as someone else&rsquo;s story, not our own.
Subscribe, share, and join us as we continue building death literacy from diagnosis through grief and bereavement.

S4E26 - Encore Series for the Holidays — Peter & Elizabeth Fenwick and The Art of Dying

In this Season 4 finale, Claire O’Berry reflects on a season filled with honesty, courage, and deep learning. Each solo episode this season served as a “Cliffs Notes” version of the Dying Your Way End-of-Life Training — a practical roadmap for anyone facing a chronic progressive illness or supporting someone through one.

Claire also expresses deep gratitude to each guest interviewed this season. Their stories, insights, and lived experience expanded the teaching topics and grounded them in real human wisdom. Each module was followed by a guest who illuminated the theme through their own journey.

This season — and all past seasons — will remain available, and Claire will be highlighting past interviews in the weeks and months ahead as we prepare for Season 5. Listeners are encouraged to subscribe, like, and comment to help spread the message of mindful dying and conscious living.

This finale reviews the key lessons from Episodes 1 through 23:
• Receiving a diagnosis
• Building your end-of-life support team
• Advance care planning
• Understanding your disease
• Aging in place
• Legacy work
• Funeral planning
• Stages of dying
• After-death care
• The week of the funeral
• Grief and bereavement

Claire shares why preparation is the greatest gift we can give ourselves and the people we love — and invites listeners to take the complete Dying Your Way End-of-Life Training to create their own EOL plan.

Learn more or enroll: https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training
Contact Claire: info@dyingyourway.com

📬 Connect with Us:


💻 Website: https://dyingyourway.com


📧 Contact: info@dyingyourway.com


📱 Instagram: @dyingyourway


🗣️ Leave a comment, submit a topic, or tell us your story!

🙏 Support the Podcast:


✅ Subscribe — It’s free!


💬 Leave a review or comment


🔗 Share this episode with someone who needs it


👍 Hit that like button to help others find this space

In this Season 4 finale, Claire O&rsquo;Berry reflects on a season filled with honesty, courage, and deep learning. Each solo episode this season served as a &ldquo;Cliffs Notes&rdquo; version of the Dying Your Way End-of-Life Training &mdash; a practical roadmap for anyone facing a chronic progressive illness or supporting someone through one.
Claire also expresses deep gratitude to each guest interviewed this season. Their stories, insights, and lived experience expanded the teaching topics and grounded them in real human wisdom. Each module was followed by a guest who illuminated the theme through their own journey.
This season &mdash; and all past seasons &mdash; will remain available, and Claire will be highlighting past interviews in the weeks and months ahead as we prepare for Season 5. Listeners are encouraged to subscribe, like, and comment to help spread the message of mindful dying and conscious living.
This finale reviews the key lessons from Episodes 1 through 23: &bull; Receiving a diagnosis &bull; Building your end-of-life support team &bull; Advance care planning &bull; Understanding your disease &bull; Aging in place &bull; Legacy work &bull; Funeral planning &bull; Stages of dying &bull; After-death care &bull; The week of the funeral &bull; Grief and bereavement
Claire shares why preparation is the greatest gift we can give ourselves and the people we love &mdash; and invites listeners to take the complete Dying Your Way End-of-Life Training to create their own EOL plan.
Learn more or enroll: <a href="https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training">https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training</a> Contact Claire: <a href="mailto:info@dyingyourway.com">info@dyingyourway.com</a>
📬 Connect with Us:
<ul>
<li>
💻 Website: <a href="https://dyingyourway.com/">https://dyingyourway.com</a>
</li>
<li>
📧 Contact: <a></a><a href="mailto:info@dyingyourway.com">info@dyingyourway.com</a>
</li>
<li>
📱 Instagram: @dyingyourway
</li>
<li>
🗣️ Leave a comment, submit a topic, or tell us your story!
</li>
</ul>
<hr>
🙏 Support the Podcast:
<ul>
<li>
✅ Subscribe &mdash; It&rsquo;s free!
</li>
<li>
💬 Leave a review or comment
</li>
<li>
🔗 Share this episode with someone who needs it
</li>
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S4E24 - Mindfulness, Preparation, and the Gift of Conscious Dying

What does it mean to prepare for death with dignity — even from behind bars?

In this deeply moving episode, Claire O’Berry speaks with Murali Pacini, former director of the Prison Project, about two remarkable men — James and Miguel — who spent their final years on Texas Death Row immersed in spiritual practice.

Through meditation, community with like minded inmates, and unwavering commitment to transformation, these men faced their final moments not with fear, but with peace.

You'll hear:


How the Prison Project brought meditation to thousands of inmates worldwide




The final letters exchanged between each man and their spiritual teacher




Miguel’s last words, witnessed by those who sat with him




James’ poetic statement of oneness moments before execution




Reflections on what we can do to live more consciously and die more gracefully



This episode is not about capital punishment — it’s about what’s possible when a soul prepares and turns inward. Any soul!

Share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. [link]



Explore the Dying Your Way End-of-Life Training

https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training

📬 Connect with Us:


💻 Website: https://dyingyourway.com


📧 Contact: info@dyingyourway.com


📱 Instagram: @dyingyourway


🗣️ Leave a comment, submit a topic, or tell us your story!

🙏 Support the Podcast:


✅ Subscribe — It’s free!


💬 Leave a review or comment


🔗 Share this episode with someone who needs it


👍 Hit that like button to help others find this space

What does it mean to prepare for death with dignity &mdash; even from behind bars?
In this deeply moving episode, Claire O&rsquo;Berry speaks with Murali Pacini, former director of the Prison Project, about two remarkable men &mdash; James and Miguel &mdash; who spent their final years on Texas Death Row immersed in spiritual practice.
Through meditation, community with like minded inmates, and unwavering commitment to transformation, these men faced their final moments not with fear, but with peace.
You'll hear:
<ul>
<li dir="ltr">
How the Prison Project brought meditation to thousands of inmates worldwide 
</li>
<li dir="ltr">
The final letters exchanged between each man and their spiritual teacher 
</li>
<li dir="ltr">
Miguel&rsquo;s last words, witnessed by those who sat with him 
</li>
<li dir="ltr">
James&rsquo; poetic statement of oneness moments before execution 
</li>
<li dir="ltr">
Reflections on what we can do to live more consciously and die more gracefully 
</li>
</ul>
This episode is not about capital punishment &mdash; it&rsquo;s about what&rsquo;s possible when a soul prepares and turns inward. Any soul!
Share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. [link] 
Explore the Dying Your Way End-of-Life Training
<a href="https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training">https://www.dyingyourway.com/eol-training</a>
📬 Connect with Us:
<ul>
<li>
💻 Website: <a href="https://dyingyourway.com/">https://dyingyourway.com</a>
</li>
<li>
📧 Contact: <a></a><a href="mailto:info@dyingyourway.com">info@dyingyourway.com</a>
</li>
<li>
📱 Instagram: @dyingyourway
</li>
<li>
🗣️ Leave a comment, submit a topic, or tell us your story!
</li>
</ul>
<hr>
🙏 Support the Podcast:
<ul>
<li>
✅ Subscribe &mdash; It&rsquo;s free!
</li>
<li>
💬 Leave a review or comment
</li>
<li>
🔗 Share this episode with someone who needs it
</li>
<li>
👍 Hit that like button to help others find this space
</li>
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S4E25 - Encore Series for the Holidays — A Conversation with Ken Ross

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