Patti Vasquez and guest co-host Dan Schaefer are joined by Sasha Abramsky, freelance journalist and author; his new book is "American Carnage: How Trump, Musk and DOGE Butchered the U.S. Government."

Catch "Driving It Home with Patti Vasquez" weekdays from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. Central on WCPT (heartlandsignal.com/programs/driving-it-home).