On Driving Home the Faith, Ken Craycraft welcomes back Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, economist, founder of the Ruth Institute, and author of The Sexual State: How Elite Ideologies Are Destroying Lives.

Ken and Dr. Morse discuss the legal and cultural debate surrounding so-called “conversion therapy” bans, focusing on Colorado legislation regulating what licensed therapists may discuss with clients regarding sexual orientation and gender identity.

They examine the Supreme Court case involving therapist Kaley Childs, the First Amendment questions raised by restrictions on counseling, and Colorado's response following the Court's ruling.

Dr. Morse explains why she believes the terminology surrounding “conversion therapy” can obscure what these laws actually regulate, particularly when it comes to talk therapy and clients who voluntarily seek counseling to understand or change unwanted feelings or experiences.

The conversation also explores the distinction between same-sex attraction and gender identity, the growing debate over how counselors should respond to children experiencing gender confusion, and broader questions surrounding parental rights, professional counseling, religious freedom, and freedom of speech.

Ken and Dr. Morse consider an important underlying question: What happens when the government restricts what a licensed professional is permitted to discuss with a person who is voluntarily seeking help?

The conversation sets up a deeper discussion about not only therapists, but also the rights of the people who seek counseling and the freedom to explore difficult questions about sexuality, identity, faith, and human nature.