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Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio and his Drink Chas motherfucking podcast. Mason, he's a legendary queen's rapper. He's agree. It's your boy in O R. He's a Miami hippop pioneer up his DJ e f N. Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one sorts for drunk fast drinks. Motherfucking is New year' z. Just for Drink Champs. Trink Up Mother Mother, would a goodby, hopefully would a super this ship boy in O R? What up is d J e f N and his Drink Chace? Motherfucker? Ya make now when you talk about a legend legend talking about a man who's who, who's not only made hits, but been behind constant hits for years. She came in a game. I believe he first heard him the first time we heard him. Officially, it's ninety six with try but I already started out ninety People gonna ask that later, but he has been uh you know, you know, I had to do my due diligence and I had to go. You know, look at other interviews, he's been doing other things. And boy, it's a Rooter coaster and most of us love Rota coasters. It's it's it's been, you know, a great time. But the man, when the man feels something, he expresses it. He's not in type the whole back. He's gonna talk when he fails, he's gonna feel what he says and all that. But the case you don't know I'm talking about. We're talking about one of the illness ghost riders in the game when us hit makers in the game. Excuse me, excuse me, because he gets his credit, he gets his credit, his name want the back of y'all y'all mean, yeah, you know what I mean. Case you don't know shows a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, But case you don't know what we're talking to talk about the mother one, the only my home girl que consequence on Google. Let's get straight on Google and say to Google, that's a rando, could be a reporter or whatever, just hasn't hasn't done. No, that's what I'm saying. No that I didn't say. The first thing you started and started ninety three rhyme. I guess your first official record was ninety six before that is eighty nine. Wow, that's yeah, you know it's funny. Uh. I felt like kel hard when he was interviewing M to dud he said damn like I almost said that. Yeah. Q till mom uh was pretty much my first co sign. So um, my grandma. What happened with my grandma's daughter at eighty nine and a friend of mine who I eventually endo rapping where his brother got killed, uh same year a little a little before that maybe like went to eighty eight he got popped and like um and the dead end. So what happened was my man, my Manikee he his his brother Lamar used to wrap so Ike to cope with the grief, took his rap book and started saying his wraps. And then my grandma she died in leukemia. Uh eighty nine. So I started writing because I saw how it helped Ike, you know, uh processing and and cope with the cope with the grief. So that's how I actually started rapping, and um Q to mom um actually so what I was doing. And definitely she was like a cheerleader the tip as far as eventually me uh giving being given the opportunity in ninety three. But to do the shase part too, shout out, shout out to Mama Davis, your kid, to mothers and sisters. Na, we were second were second cousins. You know what I'm saying. So it's a it's a, it's a. I moved to New York from California eight you know, so I had connected with a bunch of family back on the East Coast. My mom and popad Opops was in the Navy, so we was living in San Diego, stationed out there. My mom de Pops eventually divorce and then we came back to came back to the East. But y'all, I was froming New York originally and didn't move from while I'm from New York and my sister was born in San Diego. Okay, okay, yeah, So that's how that that's how. Yes, I actually got a six one, six one nine number. I'm about to turn off, but I got a six one number. Um, just and and how much to that time period? Right, So let's let's not let's go over because, like I said, there's a couple of interviews with you out there now. We're doing drink chances of all, when we spoke, right, we said this was gonna be queens all day doing nothing Already I'm not doing you know, let'sen get to the point. Let's get let's get the one point. I see the Kanye documentary, Okay, I hit you. I thought you hit me, but I hate you, right, I hit you, And I was like, yo, bro, this was this is dope man. And I couldn't tell. But I kind of thought that you didn't like it from the first episode. I don't remember we spoke since then, right, But um, well, my take on it. You know, there's a business side to it, and there's obviously there's a personal and there's a just a perspective from living in you know what I'm saying. The business side, Um, I ain't working with certain niggers because of that. But when you say business the way it was put together the documentary or I'm not gonna be on Netflix and I don't get no check, that's that's against my principle, you know what I'm saying, Like when he gave you the intro, you know, Rollercoast to this, that and the thrub. But once again, I've always been able to retain uh ownership of what I do how I do it, my likeness, so forth and so on. So when someone takes that, it takes it upon themselves not to I just saw the way. But dinner, right, I just signed a way to be on Netflix. I signed a way to be on the volt So I gotta sign a way. But to be on Netflix, that's that's business. I don't got nothing to do. But but but who who do we point to finger for? That? Is it? Is it you? Because now it's not yet. So let's just be clear, right, actually does great business, you know what I'm saying. You know, I tipped my hat to him. You know, even from the outside looking interview, if anybody knew the extent of our relationship, we've done great business over then Yeah, it's been as a road coaster. You're dealing with some a person, uh who's who a bus through certain frontiers for um, not only yourself, but for for the culture. You know. So that's gonna come with that's gonna come with growing pains. I was with you from when you've seen in the documentary, like literally when we he was trying to figure out all falls down. But that's him trying to figure it out. That's the first day that that was maybe like the fourth time I was with Kanye. That was the first time I met any of those people. So the thing was like when you hit me, I was just like taking it all in and you had you knew because it's guy, I believe I would see we're skipping things, were skipping things. Because the one thing about the documentary is like, Yo, at the end of the day, I had already been on David Letterman, I had already been on Moisha, I had already been on Rosie O'donnald, I had already been on all that. You know, I just hit I hit a bad term with with Tribe, but I had already I was already for all in sense of purposes famous, you know what I mean. So the thing, one thing in particular for me was just like you know, at the end of the day, you know, like I love all my oh the fam that came as far as like me and Kanye Lincoln. But you know, a lot of times sometimes people think I am actually from Chicago and I actually started with Kanye, which I could understand because the thing about hip hop is like we all we all we all document hip hop once once we pick up on it. Right, So hip hop starts for for the beginning for you, whenever the beginning is for you, Like, um, I've had conversations us whatever success start like people don't people know we kind of right before l A l A. People start my career from l A because that's the first, that's that, that's the beacon point for that, right. But you know I've had I've had certain rappers in this era that the front of era tell me they didn't know who g rap was at all, which for me, it's it's blasphemy, right, you know what I'm saying, because you know, we know g Rap as one of the pioneers of of all bars you know what I'm saying of storytelling and bars that like he was like saying ship that was just ahead of his time, you know what I mean. So once again it sped back to that situation with the documentary. Um so for me seeing it, for me, it was, you know, like it wasn't fully explained how me a mad the deal we have Range and its Kanye documentary. So it's fine. I don't have no issue with Cod and Coody and cheek as it's it's about what they didn't feel. It like that. So the issue then becomes that this Kanye documentary then for the average person, that's the way they looked at, right, And that's the thing. Once someone takes it in on a platform like Netflix, they're gonna they're gonna make the assentience that this is this is the truth, this is this is what, this is the occurrence of events and how it went. So so yeah, I mean and I said it. I said it to Coody and check in their face. I went to the s ob Joint crash they whatever. I was like, yo, Like at the end of the day, I don't have it. I've been on TV, like you said, so I understand the process of when a network takes to create if and they apply edit into it. They do it with Love and hip Hop. You you a film, I don't know. You might film the whole week, right, and you might get four minutes of that in the episode. Now this is the problem. Back to Loving hip Hop for a second. No matter what Love and Hip Hop does, when you sign that contract, if you appear in the episode, you get paid. I appeared in three episodes in That of a Genius and didn't get a dollar. So how am I supposed to feel about that, and your hats hold up a second, I got something to say. Addiction is a treatable disease, but finding the right treatment can be overwhelming and confusing. Shatter Proof, a national nonprofit, is here to help without judgment. At shadow Proof, their goals to help you find addiction care that meets your needs and leads to better health and long term recovery. When you visit shadow proof dot or org, there's an entire section that helps you learn everything you need to know about alcohol and substance use disorder. There's also a fine help section to help you find the support you may need. Get help today by visiting shatterproof dot org. Again, get help today by visiting shatterproof dot Org's advocate For a second. You're gonna do who because it's serious, But I want to light nothing to move, but we'll stay on the subject. Is it always all about money? Yes? Absolutely, set it's absolutely with nobody. That's absolutely about that paper because me, I don't got nothing to do. See this is the thing, right, I didn't come into wrap to be friends with nobody. I can't get this money from queens. This queens get the money. There's not queens play no game. So where's my money? Right? Right? So let me be there was advocate. You can put the horns on ahead, Okay, okay, because in all fairness, this is when you like, not y'all, but y'all first met each other. So there wasn't open more. Right, So even in context, let's break it down, right, So this is when we first met. There wasn't Netflix. So even if I were to saw something, then it went whole way. Now at the end of the day, there was no streaming platforms. This is gonna stream for fetuity. Bro, Listen, let's I get it there out of jail with the loyal liburry. I know a family, feel me. I've been doing contracts since drive your bro. It's checkmate. I need my paper right but and again, and that's for principle. I don't need it because I need it. I need it over principle. You know what I'm saying. It's just it's just, how are you gonna do If you're gonna do business with your friends, do business with your friends. You're not gonna do somebody else like that? And then tell him, you know you you make friends over business. But I've seen a lot of people make friends over business and then break up friendships over lack of business. Okay, but I'll see you a curve ball because you were the only one, like when I when I heard that, and then I'm always the only one, by the way, Okay, I'm always the only one, and I've been the only one. I'm the only one I ever joined trial. Wow wow, But I'm not. I'm the only one you would even consider to let right anything. I am the only one. I'm the one that it was interested because, um, the same thing. I believe I spoke to you. It was only the first episode, was out right. It was not. I didn't even know there was another episode. I thought that was just the whole documentary. That's what I'm saluting you. And I didn't see your point. Actually me too, because you was the first person to hit me about it, so I didn't know what the whole layout was. And like I said, it's due to the fact that I've done the kind of business that I've done that I have a point of reference of how to be treated. I don't. I'm not. It's not my documentary. It's it's not consequence of documentaries. It's Kanye's or it's Kanye cooties. However, the creative part of it goes. I have no issue with that at all. I have an issue with from being able to oberstrate operate as a from an admin side that there's no clarences, there's no check cut, there's no nothing, there's no and there's no getting around that. But put the hat on the other side for why this is, louis why what if? What if you had footage and I'm sure you probably got some footage. You know what I said was I'll pay for it over my career. There's no other side. I mean telling ill said, well something, I had to pay for it, to pay James Brown um far pre sent and ten thousand dollars for hey you La Collins. He didn't even say it is the state wanteds in thousand. That's the game. That is the game. That's the game we're playing. We're not this is the music business. This is not you know we obviously once again here let me put something out to you on the reel. Had I got a request or been asked by people who have relationships with I wouldn't have this position. I didn't go to the screen. Now, I didn't get an invite this, So there's nothing for me documentary. Okay, you know what I'm saying. So if we it's not about to your point you're saying, it's not it's everything about the money because the other side of that is the relationship. Right, But how is their relationship with our communication? Right? If you don't communicate, you can't take the relationship for granted, and you can't create a relationship that's not there. My relationship is with Kanye West. That's who you saw me with numerous times. So my relationship is with him. If Kanye come to me and say can I get a concession, it's a no brainer. If somebody just takes something to run with it, they're actually a thief. It's called professional courtesy, right because you actually were doing the work for hire for Kanye at that time, and and it's no respect to the brand value of where it stands right now, Like I just wanna I just want to grab me with Kanye for Hurricane. I'm supposed to task somebody take something from me. I don't make no sense, no way, no how because let me's just like one second the same day I supposed to live quality and because he was in the same episode, right, So I supposed to you expected him to kind of have the same attitude, and you know, Kanye had just kind of like this stuff, right, you know what I'm talking about that. So when I said to him, if you don't talk about that. So when I said to him, did you know I'm gonna be honest with you? He didn't know neither. But he didn't say what you said. He was Now, but you got to understand something. When Kanye come up here like like dark Man and start emptying the clip, right, but he busting that certain niggas because of how they move, you know what I mean. So yeah, he that might not have been concerning him. That's a concern of mind. What I'm saying, that's a concern of mom because me and Kanye you have does so much business together that it's a no brain. No. He Kanye ain't never tweet like cass Is bugging for what he said on something and suthing about the documentary. N he not because he knows it's a buck so a whole mill walking really keep going, yeah, okay man, this is good. It's good, this is good, this is good. So have you spoken to you sinter genus. Are you spoken to people around him? I'm sure. I mean we have we me and Kanye. Uh, you know, we UM were number one. Certain things I could devote into public, Certain things I can't just because of our venice arrangements. But you know, UM, I mean he actually kind of alluded to it when he UM put up a G post and he shouted out point Pat. He said, point Pat wasn't in the documentary, and he was an intricate part of UM Kanye's sustainability as all the way around the board, you know, creatively, you know what I'm saying. He was like, you know, if I had five, I think he said something to the CENTERF I had five, if my fingers were friends planning, Pat is one of my fingers. I only got four fingers left, you know what I'm saying, Um so into you know. And he also said that, you know, he felt a way about people clowning up off them, you know. And I could understand that because like even when I went to the s obs UM when I went to the s O B said clouding up, clouding up. So even when I went to the s O B's um, the sneaky, the sneaky uh, um screening. You know when I walked in there, everybody looked like they were in trouble, you know what I mean. It was like it wasn't like you know, it wasn't like oh you know, it was like, oh, she hain't called us screening for part two or for episode two O. The l A screening was episode one. What I'm saying, um, you know, and I performed good, bad, ugly, and you know, like the thing is that what you was using? Like that you performed They asked me to though, ho, I gott stand up a little bit like, no, not venice business. It's all business, nor its none of this is personal. None of this is personal. So so at the end of the day, it produced if I go on stage, right, they all get. It wasn't like yo, what you do don't here? It was like, oh you here. But I'm like, I'm like, yo, but y'are doing the way you're doing. The whole is not on front Street, right, you know what I mean. Because at the end of the day, like even take take like the situation with Shaka, I don't know she knew she was gonna end up looking like she ain't believing you. Okay, I'm saying right, right, So even when Wayno was out here saying like yo, well, because that's the that's the thing, Like, it was like a whole wave that ain't had nothing to do with nobody who was actually there in that capacity, and they none of them was at don none of them was in Atlanta. Right. So so if you meet it kind of looked like shaker, like a soul shaker, you might be upset, you know what I'm saying you You you might feel like this is your way to bust a lane. But it's almost at the expense of a body who really get down, who really worked, who really been in the trenches with Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So so because at the end of the day, regardless, the end result of uh Kanye's record deal with Rocketfeller was the release of the college Dropout. Right, that's the world. So so the thing is, once again, like I said, you're gonna go through growing pains in any relationship. A lot of people people fall in love with the final product, not the conveyor belt. Right, So if they fell in love with the college dropout, then by default then they there, Yo, I was doing this. You know what I'm saying, they gave me an opportunity to you know, what's so funny because at one point when I was signed, I was still signed a C tip through the owner, like I was supposed to sign a rocketeller. That's why I was so ironic. Well I'm not saying it's supposed to but Jay was very interested in picking me up. And it's funny that Jay's kind of always been me and Jay. I met Jay Z at the Gavin and we always always um kind of intermingled. We never had like a one to one direct relationship, but we always kind of inter mingo. So we're just so funny. It was like he spoke to Que about me, and you know, at the time, me and me and Q was going through a lot of personal things, so I didn't we didn't go that route, but I ended up kind of going that direction anyway. So just very ironic and like and and you know, like, and I'm saying this because I'm actually uh saluting Jay because you know, we've had we've we've had on share of trouble, but um, he's always seen the value in what I brought to the table. He took a shot at you on anybody was up on Z. I'm like, uh yeah, I mean yeah at the time, because it was it was up, you still think that though the time it was up, at the time it was now I'm look, look, here's the thing, right, when when it was when when we were going through what we were going through was the transition period, and me and Kanye had to have this conversation in private. You know, some of it is kind of you know, has obviously been in the public at the time. You know. The the hard thing about Kanye as my brother, right is that it's hard. It's it's hard when people will do anything to be next to him, right, So I've seen artists like literally, I mean you know, people just will do anything to be next to Kanye West. It's just a real thing, you know, especially it was so you so so look, here's the thing, right, It wasn't no easies for me back then. It was the sketch pad of him drawing sneakers, you understand, deep, So before it was something to be on a friends and family list for it was just idea dream. It was before it was getting out our dreams. It was I have dreams I want to get out right, and he and I essentially became like Squam partners on the mic, you know, and it it actually worked. You know, he had he was he he always Kanye has never been a person that was struggling for money. You know, his mars was well to do as far as having influence and having having a great career in Chicago. So he he was. I never met car I've never seen Kanye struggle. I've never seen none of that boat. But when he came to Polo, I mean, I mean before the pink Polo was part of the product. I mean when I met him, you know, he had a bands, he wanted the bigger bands. He had dreams that he wanted to see see coming to fruition, and he just it was it was more about having the tools. Um. So, so when I said earlier about him me being the one that he would he would actually rap with, take rap from etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, It's real. It's at you know, at one point we developed a comfort level to where it was like yo, yo, help me with this wrong with that joint, you know what I'm saying. Remember I did UM. I had wrote a record UM that we we wanted to submit for UM little Kim, and she wound up using the choruses called came Back for You so on Labella, the owner Labella Mafia album actually wrote came up with the idea for the chorus. Um, and I had rhyms that I wanted Kim to take. What Kim was very specific about not taking. Wanted to have a ghostwriter at that time or whatever. And you know, but the ship was firing. Um. You know, Kanye definitely was like, you know, I had to do the Brandy joint. Uh that man and man, he had to do the Brandy job. He gave the record man, you know, no, and you know the fans Watson this no, you know what I mean. You know, I got the shades on all and hit you with the wing wing, but you know what I mean. Um, So so that that for begin with what that's what began a level of trust, you know what I'm saying between he and I. You know what I'm saying. And and we made a lot of other but like my point was, I have had to see a lot of people try to do a lot of things just to get in that position. And it wasn't something that I ever I ever did. I never did that. I never. I never was, like, I never was on that because I didn't really have to be, because it was when we developed our relationship. Did you guys connect? We we met right after he did the Blueprint. Um we were introduced uh through to each other from by Ad eight Keys. Um. I met Ad eight Keys back in the Tribe days. Um, he was just you know, he had a relationship with Q Tip. They would um a T eight I believe worked at a record store, I want to say, and Q Tip would go there to get vinyl at the time when that was that was the thing with sampling or whatever. Um. But AD eight did beats. He was trying to get him more. So he called Q Tip's crib one day, introduced himself like, yeah, I got beat. You know, one thing led to another. I still lived in Queens, so I took a trip out to go check him, and he had joints and we just became friends over time. He just yeah, yeah. So and then this is this is the during the recording of beach Rims of Life, going into like what would be my solo record that didn't the first product that I've made that never had came out. It was that was supposed to come out through cuts label, the Museum music real quick fun fact beat training, left artwork same right, Yeah, shout out the game, not just definitely shout understand. I actually spoke to him, um, because I wound up. I think there was a beach round the Life and there was a beach round the Life anniversary and somebody at a scam and I was like, I hadn't seen him in yet. Um. And then I saw the drink chance look, I said, And then I remembered he's from Miami, the local. How do you know he did it? It's on the stage. Oh, it's on the stage. He just looked at right. Um, but you know what I mean. So eight eight keys, so fast forward. Um, it's right at the nine eleven. Uh. And I had a deal at rock As that fell through. So you're talking about the roller coaster. So like I'm popped pop Plezzy, you know what I'm saying. Um. And come two thousands and two January eight called me. You know, he was like, um, yo, I got a friend of mine, um that I just did a joint for and he would like we were talking about who could be a feature on it, and I brought you in the name up and his name is Kanye's knees. You might have heard him when he did he did uh a lot of the blueprint for jay Z and and another friend of miney Um Hans Elder who's uh d dots from Crazy uh Devik Angeli's cousin Um had brought him up in a conversation and said at the time that me and to me and Kanye were very similar. Um. It fars like his resonation of music like you get like you guys remind me a lot of each other. I think it would be cool if y'all hooked up. But it was a conversation, yeah, yeah, it was like a premonition, like aative tongue sound almost like saying the native tongue of sound like both of y'all kind of seemed like y'all belonging lative tongue um a more specific to than each other, Like, well, I am from the native tongue. You know what I'm saying. No, no, we're saying, but from the native you know what I'm saying. I mean, And I wasn't specifically to the happiness of every member of the native tongue, but nonetheless it is what it is. It's queens get the money. I can't get it like Kindred Spirits right right because because at the time, so like the sensibility of sampling, Um, the the Lauren unplugged joint is a native tongue sensibility for for all falls, you know, like the drum pattern to all fold down is a native tongue sensibility. But but you know, I think the thing that makes Kanye him also is the fact that he's able to jump in and out of lanes when it comes to production, especially you know what I mean, so the women, and he'll have that sensibility, but then could still make um stand up for Luda, you know what I mean, um or or um obviously you know what I'm saying, which does have those same sensibilities. But he was able to be the production of to where it could go at radio as well. Um. But the native tom sensibility is is at core a cultural things. So it's like the culture of what the sound is in and the musicality. So um, So that's how we met that we met the ad in case um I did the feature, he offered to pay me three thousand or or he would be willing to cut. He would be willing up beats. Yeah, let me get first pick. So I never I never boiled him about the three thousand and like I said before, literally eight off for that three thousand for the rest of my life look for that guy. So, like I said, I watched these three interviews and it was crazy because it was like one where you was like real, real, like upset at all them from Joe was to to uh, to even hope because you don't hold a shot at you talking about like that. I never was upset with pump it Up. I never was upset with pumping up. I just felt like pumping up came out of his faith. So moving before, I don't want to do nothing about pump it up, I said. I got a new single out Blood staying I can't argue about pump it up. Jesus Jesus. I mean, I'm just saying I can't, man, come on, pump it off. Uh, God, you're turning was I don't want how to pump it up. I stripped out the party. Hurricane say I've about it up? Would you when you can do verses against what don't do against pump it up? I called your body man when I pump it up, So what are you gonna I'm not like I said, no, I'm not going to argue about p I U why it is what it is? You know what I'm saying, Like that's it, but no verses. Let's let me see your marian like they right, you see j W you want him to do pump it up and me to see the ship. I wasn't ready with that. That ship. Let's move alight. So I wrapped. I wrapped back to back with busting rhymes on tribe out him. I'm so to come on like we gotta put some respect, like I'm channeling bird Man. I'm channeling bird Man. We got we got to you know what I'm saying, Like you know that whole situation was love and hip hop and hip hop, right, but let's let's be real like outside of loving hip hop, like yo, if you run through mine? But you know what a rhyme though you can't say say I never said I told him to a face you could rap. I never said Joe can't wrap it. I'm just saying, when you're going act, there's a difference between rapping and hits. He got a lot of mix tapes, though, so do I. I gotta take him to the cleaners. I like this, like wh I'm talking so to all, I gotta take him to the cleaners. That's the best mixtapes the whole time. Like I put Kno More on a mixtape before anybody did talk. I got Magmillan mixtape. I got a bunch of mixtapes. I got a bunch of hits too, and I got three being my awards. Chunky, we respect that I wrote. Next. John Legard is rapping on my first album. But don't front moved music. Come on, you front the movies. You that when I say that was your chef. You know, Queasy, I told you what he was gonna be with that. You're like women, I'm just trying to look like people halfways defend people ain't here. You know. It ain't about defend. I just said, yo, yo, it ain't about defend it. I know Webbing Nitty personally, those are my man. We will. You know what I'm saying. I was the first thing in the hood to be able to take nigga to the tunnel. You know what I'm saying. I took niggas. Listen, Chris Lighty daughter is here. That's my family. I lived with Chris Lighty at one point, me and my mom doesn't getting along because she didn't understand the whole rap dynamic at the time. I'm staying out late. I'm eighteen in tribal I'm eighteen in a trial coal quest. They got nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I am not arguing over nobody's mixed respectable. If we're gonna give me my flowers, I like I listen, Listen, respect listen. I like potpourri with a dash and daisy. Give me mom, Let's give me. Let's give us right, Let's give me my flowers. A perfect segments. Guy, we don't know if you know our shows about giving people the motherfucking flowers. And one thing for sure, to think your motherfucker legends and you deserve your said it's like win a Grammy, But from your peers it's been like you know what, Listen, man, I waited a year to do drink chance. You know that what I'm saying. Man, You know you know we've definitely been with you to put it together for a minute, and you know you know I would. I'm the culture at the end of the day is all we got, you know, what I mean, Like, at the end of the day, I can I can win whatever validated accolade that comes from the music business. But all you only as good as your last game out here, you know what I mean. And we know that we've watched. We watched the game. Washing nig is up. You know what I'm saying. Because they didn't stay connected to the culture, you know what I mean. So yeah, absolutely, I'm taking this home, show this to my son, and I'm gonna put this up on the joint. Tell me so. At one point like like like like you said you were a good music it was I think, and I didn't never go at good music. No, you would didn't got good knew that they ain'tybody took it away. I am, I am thinkin said that's what's that words. Listen at the end of the at the end of the day, right, you gotta understand that gave everybody a job. I gave everybody a job. And what I gave everybody a job through my sacrifice? Can you paid them? But I said, I got the weals on my back, nigga, feel me. So every Father's Day, I'll deserve a card every everyone because at my notes, I got You saved Big Sean from getting dropped? Yea one of percent? How does this happen? They have a meeting they like, but drop on dignity. I ain't ever tell no story about Big Sean that I know personally. You know what I'm saying. I'm not him, And yeah they did, they want to things up here. I ain't here to do that with Sean, you know what I'm saying. But show was my little Shan was my little man when he got sign. You know what I'm saying. If you go to YouTube, you'll see Sean get introduced as a member of Good Music at my show at the Knitted Afterwards, Me Kanye came out of surprise, Guests came out of surprise. Guests had Sean and Kid Cutty. And that's what they wanted. Like I said, once again, to go back to the original point where we got it. Like certain people do whatever to get next to yea yea John having to be at the radio station. You know what I'm saying. But Shawn ain't eat Boston Market with Yeah I did. There wasn't no craft services when I was around. It wasn't no yeasy, There wasn't no none of that half a chicken on the whole chicken. Come on, I'm starving a half a chicken en listen on even requests. O MA, please just make it. You know what I mean? With the breast man, that's it. Other than that man, it was that and and in the front and in in a trolley magrimony and cheesy twenty dollars twenty dollar holiday. You know what I'm saying. I watched niggers in Atlanta line up with place motherfucker and all the mimosas, and I'm getting up first and going to bed last, still twenty years later, putting in that work. We got the chip though, I always putting the work for the Chip Grammy family. Yeah, goddamn oh no, it can be worked with Beyonce. In fact, goddamnit right, worked the Beyonce and worked with Faith, So probably one of the only mcs that ever worked with Biggie and jay Z's wives holler at me. I didn't look at it like that, sir, I didn't. And they both were singles. They was an album cause stressed out his single number one that urban right, I mean, I'm the one nigger all right, right? So how do you and I believe you call him Kamal, will be honest with you, I'm never gonna call him Kamal. His name is q Tip to me for the rest of the I'm never calling like people calling him talk like who but blah blah. Family. You know my mom a family's outside fairly looking at But you said, I think he was in mad Camar. Excuse me. He was mad at cute Tip one day and we was talking and he was like, come on, mad at cut more than one day. But I didn't know. You know, how did you all as cousins for because once again, because we because because of because there's a thin line, you know. And and there's definitely I think the number one the number one UM emotion for artists, um that makes them kind of go, it's disappointment, you know. So there's been yeah, one, there's been times that I've been disappointed, But there's times that there's the acute tim is brought the kind of the kind of opportunities to my life that I can't measure even with joy, you know what I'm saying. So when y'all that close at one time, at one point in my life, my name was Ray Tip. That's how close me and me and Q Tip are you know so we yeah, we we were going through a lot, you know, we you know, and took tip credit right, you know Tip. It's funny. That's why I mentioned his mom's first and foremost, because he said to me, my mom's always knew you was the one. You know what I'm saying, you know, and now she's she's she's getting older, and um, you know, we can't take none of that time for granted. So he was like, Yo, you know, definitely comes see man, you know what I'm saying, supporting it is important because she she she did call that. And so him saying that was that you you're the one that she basically selling You're the one. He he's the one used to take a chance on, you know. So two cute tips credit right, Um, without me going in the trial, I never meet Kanye, and I never meet Kanye. We don't what happens, right because Kanye, you know, I feel like Kanye was always gonna Kanye is always gonna be successful. He's a successful person, so he understands what it takes to be successful. But I do. I mean, he's even acknowledged that, you know, and especially in the beginning, you know, he and not being around together. You know, it was very much. I was very influential in the swag, you know what I mean. And so you know how I look at it, you know, because I have no I don't have any venom unless somebody comes at me. And you know that that that comes about because the q tip. You know what I'm saying, because you know, if q Tim doesn't say, you know what, I'm going to roll the dice on this kid. I'm going to regardless of relationship, you still gotta be able to hold it. And I think q T knew I could hold it. And that's what his mom was saying, like she knew I could hold it. She's like, I'm telling you give it to him. He's gonna be able to hold it. I held it for beach round like him. Out of ninety six twenty six years, I've held it and and it's been a mechanical bull. So it's like you know you hold no, you're holding it though, you know what I mean. Um, it's so many of my peers that started before me or even after me. Um, you know, they don't have a they don't have a firm for hole in music, they don't do what it seems like for the outside looking at it, and sorry to cut you off. It seems like when you someone's friends, you someone's friends friend me, yes, you friend to the end of one. But if anything happened, Nigga's coming down here, just that I'm not seeing. The thing is I'm just not a yes sir man. I'm not a yes sir. Fall in line, I an't gonna say. I ain't yes man. I'll tell yeah, I said, keep on the what I'm saying, But I ain't yes sir. Bow Nigga hit your head. Now. There's only one now about too, and that's the most high. So it don't matter when when when they get to a point where the most highing involved no more, then it's up. That's how I feel, you know what I'm saying. So when when we're do an ego, that's not the most high nor more are dealing blessings. I felt like when Kanye got on you know, I'm Muslim, but I felt like his him making Jesus walks was a positive thing and a blessing, you know what I'm saying, Because at the end of the day, where he was but but and and and just the fact of trying to engage a mass audience into us, into into us, into the consciousness of the soul. So, you know, because at the end of the day, you just don't know who you touch when you do music. So when you have a good intention, I feel like God will open doors for you, you know what I mean? And I still believe that to this day, you know what I'm saying. Um, and so yeah, yeah, so when it when when they turn, when they get ungodly like it's like snakey vibes, I don't I don't know. I just want to fall out with their cousin though, because if anybody could, anybody, anybody could fall victims of snakey vibes. The industry did it? Is it like the industry? I mean, I mean it wasn't over things giving. We don't have a problem over mass potatoes. You know what I'm saying. We had we had you know, you know, there's a you know at the end of the day. Um, what you know, my thing is like in this platform, both Nor and I have worked with the trialal question, right, so it would be who either one of us to have a conversation about you tipping a negative connotation. I just feel like we've got we've had to go through things that we've gone through. We going through those things, you know, to Tip of the Elder Statesman and hip hop, and you know, he deserves his prophecy and he deserves his regard absolutely. Like um, one of my favorite styles of movies documentaries, and one of the things that stood out to me was I always heard of as room was like you hear about Ray Fawn and ghost Face beefing, or might hear about Prodigy and you know having beefing, like we this is always the room of hearing about like Q Tip and fight relationship or like how like it was kind of like, you know, shaky. But that documentary was I think Michael Reportport and Um, that documentary was my first time because because when me and polished the beef, I just think that was just me and Bone. I just be like, yo, know, I mean the groups gets along. And when I see this and I was like it was two things. One, I was like, wow, I thought the Tropical questions perfect people and like and this was like the first time I seen them be human, and too it related to my own struggle. I was like, damn, I wasn't doing first Yeah, so so so. But you as an insider, you've been knew that their relationship was a little shaky. Damn for how long you think that was going on for along? For since our joint tribal or what year you say they were going through They went through problems after midnight marauders like they all And it's so one thing I'm definitely gonna say is like you know, and this isn't to blame I don't you know what, I'm not gonna say that like that at the end of the day, right as as two men who who who who were like brothers, never lead never lead, um anything or anyone compromised that or blind that bit o blind your site to to the bigger picture, you know what I'm saying, Like in hindsight, it was so unnecessary, would cause the riff, but but but it was understandable, you know what I'm saying. Like I found out about the issue in Atlanta at Fight's house. So I have been going to the studio for let's say we started recording Beach round the Life February of right, um, so by July August of is when I overheard a conversation with Fife and True Boys cousin Fudge who he you know, god less day he passed away. They were having a conversation and basically Fudge it was like, yeah, I don't fun with cute to funk that nigga and I initially I was like, fuck you talking about you know what I'm saying, Like who funk you talking about? Like who you think you is? Who? Like so as so initially like and you know I'm outnumbered. I'm in a career. I mean, fight for it. Fight I don't you know, I fight? But how the funny thing like I said that at the fielding, like I ended up coming down there, um, just on a whim. He invited me to come to Atlanta for the Boer Superfest that year, so we was all, you know, we're having a good time, but we really was just kind of getting to know each other like that, like that, you know what I'm saying. So when home he said it, I was like, you know, I automatically to his fight man fight yeah plug plus yeah yeah trueoy was truely true gooy cousins. So he said the ship and it was already kind of like a funny vibe a little bit in the native tongues at that time. Because tribe shot to mainstream, critical acclaim and success, they was able to be successful. Day Lie you know, shot out the gate mainstream and they kind of was maintaining that through the next two hour stakes is high in the balloon mon State Days saw his dead and and and three behind Roser was successful, you know, as we're moving on. So they kind of shot out and then started blacktowing right try kind of started. They started Elsa Gando, then got Timpannita, but he did smash. Then they get to can't I kick it? Can I kick it? The smash? Then they get the long sum. There was their first single, one of the first his video definitely first videos else gone. I think they might have it is the Pace come out or something. Everybody you know, and and and they were on Buddy right, so they were like, so Jungle Jungle was the first Jungle Brothers the first out. Jungle was the first one. We're gonna want through a psychopleedia. My city is on my cities as he's saying that, That's why I said, wait a minute, okay, the first remember remember Africa's and Living Lords the movie, right, they got Girl out House shooting guy a thin. Jungle Brothers is worldwide. You know what I'm saying, what with the cold following Jungle Brothers like like like it's like eight eight eight Grisella. Right, but they got radio records though to because they got a girl of househ stuff, which is not about what I'm saying. Is like when I say they Grisella because they got the show aspect I'm talking about Nigga stref not not not night karm. Grisella trip is the packed house, right, they got niggas coming to na ship. Right, So Jungle Brothers the same ship, you know what I'm saying. So then but they ever they are able to appall it in the movies and and you know red alerts their uncle, red alerts, my gene uncle. You know what I'm saying. So they on the raiding, they start at the radio, but with them call of joints. Right, So Trivis is the dird And also remember like you had dressed up dress popping in with choices yours right in law, got um got ladies, you know what I'm saying. So it's so it's a it's a it's a black men Daniel wave. Right. So then the thing is, but that it gets it hits the ceiling right and then try transitions. They take off the dais, they get on some Linda ship. You know what I'm saying, check the ram check them y'all back in the days on the bulletboard, right, saying that on the radio. Right then, scenario it's check the rom it's we got the jazz. It's directing the fact beef. It's scenario Yeah, yeah, you wanted but saying you know what I'm saying. So so I'm just saying that it comes to trying and lay down a chronological order. So when you get to that conversation, there's all that baggage looming. That's all that energy is looming. Because now I come into this and I don't know none of this ship. I'm a shorty, you know what I'm saying. I know about the beef. Obviously that's my family. We the block went up with the block was with tip on that one, beef not not. Yeah, the blockers in't on that right. You know what I'm saying. Ship got crazy right right right right here? Then yeah, he had to patch of ship. You know what I'm saying, Like that ship was a real wait what they're gonna fight it. Yeah, they gotta fight. Prince Pope from Organiztic Fusion was getting jumped at LA Music Hall jumped in. They already had the problem, Uh, stricky hardcore rap, not a new Jack swing. They had a conversation with Fight you know what I'm saying. So so that's the rule of the the problem, God bless the dead. Fight said what he said, Tip, ain't the run of it. That's gonna be a problem. What did fight to say? I mean, fight man, fight man, fight Beho, nobody over it. We know that you know what I'm saying. What he said, He said that when we got the jam strictly hardcore rapping Teddy Rowley and took a fence to that. I thought Q Tips said that we just na said what I'm saying. And then that's how cute had does nah. So once again, like I said, if five story is he's seen Rex in the fact and v A. They had a conversation about it. They put it on ice. Then it was a show fast for a couple of months. They there's a short Radio City Music Hall trials back they've seen Rex in effect again whatever whatever, Now what happened was Rex in effect used the room Posse d you know what I'm saying. The Posse Deep Niggas was in the lobby and they got into it with prins Poe from Organized Confusion Tip for some reason whatever wanted and seeing them jumping Prince Poe and got into it, and then Posse Deep Niggas like, well, you know what, you know what I mean, confusions for forty projects right right, one of the same. So it was like he's seen the Queen nigga when I was you know what I'm saying. So yeah, so that's what that's what happened. So what happened was the reason I ain't had the black eyes because this is what one of the Kniggs had a ring on called him in the eye. That then seized up the renda and he did the video here to do the video and you put the patron damn forgot about all this ship, you know what I'm saying. So so I'm just saying all that to say this is no slander. Just's just just just so there's clarity. When a lot had happened, a lot of tipisode so so, and a lot continued to happen. So by the time I'm having this conversation, they feel justified to say that, even though they they when I say they it's fudge and fire. They feel justified and they start explaining to me, waf is fu tip. You know what I'm saying, Nigga did this saying my girl, but I who I whoa right took this girl? You try to slide that day before the d M. It was the toll bus talking about the toll bus cars. I'm saying before the d M, niggas was sliding the toll bus. Not mean closes, you know what I mean it sai you know you may gotta only pieces. So he slid shorty back back you know, uh with the current and this is like on a documentary. Oh yeah, I leaving back there right, Nigga slide on the tool bus. Continue No, I mean so I guess the front man to trial. He was skinning right, sliding, sliding right. I should have caught down slide, you know, I mean, so you know, you know, Homi feel like you know it's things like the nigger got along, like what's over in your camp and you see seems front your b is going crazy, right, so nobody nobody in that position feel like a nigga is gonna be able to slide day, bitch. So when they bit slide, it's like I mean to be slid what he now somebody wants they can beat for all this bitch. Nigga holes legacy is over a bitch and track pains that was in Norty by Nature video. Nigga, Like, you gotta be kidding me, man, knock it off, tell you some lender ship. Everybody winding was like, knocked that ship off. Facts, not man, because it's been when a bit she ain't no went around. They ain't no where around. I ain't even see that fight funeral god, but the dead facts. So that was worth me hearing them. Nigga say any of that. Nah, somebody see the thing about one thing about me and Kanye. I'm gonna keep it a being. No matter what we ever went through, somebody lower their wing, and whether it was yeah, yeah, whether it was me, you ain't suck each other's bitches neither cold. You go get Kim kardash In, Bro. I heard you just dropping off the hotel and all that I heard about the name. You know it's my nigga, and they never gonna be nothing. He's like you said, you said you're the most loyal nigger. You would Yeah, so they ain't gonna never be nothing like. That's my nigga I want. I want my nigga is happy. I want my nigga is to thrive. You know what I'm saying, Ain't no, ain't no. You know what I'm saying on my end, I ain't never had to do that. I always before before Rap, before Rap and I in high school, all that ship before Rap I was doing me. Man, Cause let's be clear, because like what you're saying now is very heavy metal because it's basically he basically said that the reason why I try I broke up, the reason why Tip and five's problem was initially over a y'all and y'all we've never heard. In addition to that, to the to that altercation after that, after the fight, one of was that. And that's why I ain't really fun with the Michael Rapport ship because I said that definitely. I say it again. I mean, Michael Rapport pay me more than when he was gonna supposed to pay anybody because I told him I ain't sunk with that, like because at the end of the day, nobody should have ever so that there was a problem. You know what I'm saying, if niggas got past it, but it never never got past it. And the truth if you never got past it. I told Fife, we I never got the Finnish Atlanta story. So Fifer telling me all this ship like yo, he did boom boom boom boom boom. Right, I'm eighteen. It's not my best interest to tell Fife any advice, right because I don't have a record deal. My record deal was cue Tip. Know what I'm saying. So at the end of the day, I didn't get to an advance. You I ain't get nough. I told Fife, I said, Yo, if you can't funk with that man, leave that man alone. My grandfather told me, never put crime in another nigger hand. If you don't funk with a nigga, don't funk with him, because if you don't funk with him and he fucked you over, you put criming that man. You know what I mean, Russell, piece of slim Turner, You know what I mean? Like, that's what it is. You can't do that, you know what I'm saying. Fight. At the time, he had the Lost Moon shit out he had he had, so it wasn't like he could have yo yo so low. You know what I'm saying, go so if you ain't gonna fun with it, if you don't, if you if it's that serious for you, why And I'm not saying to leave his group that's because that's that wasn't what I was trying to say. What I was trying to say is as a man, right, I can't you acting like you can you can be with somebody who you can't really be with. Like sometimes with different niggas, you need to give the nigger space. But if you're trying to hold the group ship, you got two choices. Put it to the side. Put it to the side, or this is gonna explode in your face. You know what I'm saying. And I think the ladder wound up happening, even even if the trials of life, you know, like you know, it was a better sweet for me because I didn't have that. I didn't. I didn't. I was looked at like I thought the chemistry I didn't funk, no chemistry up when they added you to because you because I was on so many records that it was perceived like you gotta thinks like it was proceeding. And I understand the perception, right, because when you got something that you love, right, and let's say you're a kid, right and you order a happy meal, right and instead of a hamburgers, a pastrami sandwich with fries in there. Yo, I asked for this. I don't get before what toy isn't it? None of that, Like, that's not what I ordered, So by by by by midnight Maradas tried was a happy meal. To the public. It was like the burger, the fries, the toy to drink right, right. They knew what they were getting and so when they got beatrons of life, it was like a roast beef and cheese with potato chips at McDonald's doesn't make sense and a shake I'm other ship on myself. It's still good though later, but it when once you finally taste it, but you gotta go through the initial shot opening the box. Just ain't what I ordered. We just scruntled at first, right, You're gotta be just growing up at first, and then with the backlash of beach rounds of life, and that was unfair to me because I didn't know none of this. Ship walking in a right You know what I'm saying. I wouldn't even had I known. That's why when we did the last Trial album, I didn't do nine nine songs. I was like, and I didn't mean to do the six that I was on, but it was more like I was just you know, my shot was hot, so I couldn't stop it. You know what I'm saying. Everybody in the group was cool, what you're doing that many songs? Man, that's loaded? Man at a cigarette before you shootin't my last last? You know? They would come on, man, you know the stories, and you know that the story we gotta hear her. Bust was officially added to Trial called Members this last album the last Yeah, Man, come on, man, come on man, you falling out on me? Man? Look, hey, hey, hey, you're not just talking to everybody. I already know, but they know y'all got the guns. Look at the end of the day, right, Um, you answer your question first and I'll go back to yours. Was a little longer to explain for Busts concern. So last album, Yes, yes, Buster was a member of Tribe UM and obviously so was I UM and you know the the zeal behind everything was to celebrate Fife and his life. You know what I'm saying, I was the bigger picture. You know, obviously, I think people need to understand, um, there's going to be behind the scenes things that makes sense. Don't make sense to have to get ironed out so focused on but as the final product guest Busted was a member of the last member of Trial for the last album. He definitely was do that, you know what I'm saying. He has always been a standout performing when it came to Tribe Records. He's always he's always been around. He's been around us as long as I'm you know, as long as I'm you know, as long as I'm known, as long as we've been like rapping, like Bust have been around Bust that had the path finder coming to Linden Busted me, Busted smoke when I was one time when I did smoke, it was what I with smokele Bus. You know what I'm saying, it's my manner ship. And for being inducted in the trial called question Hall of Fame, how about that? Yeah, that queens like that group miss so much to us to drive and I don't think I've ever like publicly like other than like when you was was was going through yours with with with your family. I don't think i've ever heard somebody publicly discribed but I need distrobe. I'll never described as a group. I'm never distruck because I'll come from truck at you right. You know what I'm saying. I had a discrepancy what you said at a certain point. I mean, I'm never Jerobi wasn't in the group when I was there. So I want to ask my next question. That's my crazy don't set now. You cannot have a water here? Take my last water? You sure you want those champade maybe later? You know what I mean. I can't do it celebrate you. I can't. We got a champagne Japanese there. You'll wet for you to take a shot. You know what I'm saying, because I did it. Here's your question. And we were talking about right now to get back to it. But I didn't hear. That's how you, I believe, yeah, or you and Tip worked it out one time you went to the studio and drink some Hennessey when you went to this is the boblo. I work out my problems via wire transferring, Okay, my bad, sir. I respect that we talk about before. That was talking before. So defense um question was was the other two was? The other was the members of the group, okay with me being in the group into honestly answer your question, though they weren't. At least he didn't like it. So you know, it was like it he didn't like, he didn't. It wasn't that he didn't like it, And it wasn't that Ali didn't get with it. I mean me, Ali have a I've had a long relationship just together, just as just outside of tribe. Um. So um. I would never sit here and say I'm not here to bad mouth all lead you know. Once again, you know you know that's a that's older that's my older brother. What I'm saying, so um, he's um, he's always he's you know, I mean, look, it's it's it's it's um. It's not an easy thing to protect your own vested interests and then look out for somebody, right, like, let's just be honest, right, Like that's almost counterproductive to business, you know, because business is not a handout thing. Business is business, right, So it's it takes a lot, and I've always tried to take that road as far as anything is concerned, because to go from a fourth to a third, back to a fourth, and in the fourth and a half because your man mad about the new fourth, that ain't that's gonna be a conversation at being minimum, you know what I'm saying. And because when I came into tribe, it was queens, get the money, you know I mean, So when opportunities came my way, it was queens, get the money. It wasn't queen's playing around. It was queens, get the money. You know what I'm saying. I got stressed out because it was queens get the money, you know what I mean. Um, And so queens get the money is can be threatening. Also, it could be a little threatening because it feels like Nick taking over your block. And you're absolutely right, and Nick's taking over your block, you know what I'm saying. And and and let somebody stop him. It's not gonna stop you know what I mean. And you know, for them, they platinum at this point, it's a platinum block. It's not it's not a hole in them all. It's not you know what I mean, It's not somebody mom's dirty, dirty attic or whatever. And they're banging up nigga, these niggas over the world, not the place, the world, you know what I mean. And to have some money from Lynda bullet Ward come to do what I did was on my behalf. It was amazing, and for them it was you know, it's understandable. It's an understandable and understandable tribulation. So not not but no, you know, I think eventually got used to the idea, and I think eventually I earned their respect because they saw that it was queens get the money. You know what I'm saying. Um, But initially I probably wouldn't like me join the triumph. They was one of them, just to be honest, all human emotion. What I was really trying to get to is who had the final word for you to be in the group. Who put me in the group? Absolutely, Don Cross. I was right mind Diana like this thing that ship take back and break back. So during the pandemic, I've seen a video that you put up. It's called lost a million. What's that about? I mean, uh, it was therapy for me being sick um pandemic. I got diagnosed with U S L E. Lucas and type type one diabetes and it kind of it kind of rocked me, just to be honest, you know, and dropped down like a hundred and seven pounds, and you know, doctors basically told me if I did take certain for certain measurements that it was it was. It was, you know, it's gonna be real, Gilmore, I'm come to give more funeral homes. So, um, so I did what I had to do. So, I mean in the video it's just me. It was just it was a record that I used just to start working myself back back to back to life. Honestly, you know that that part of the roller coaster wasn't fun. Uh you know what I mean. Um, but you know it's been two years since then, and I'm back and so while everyone's catching COVID, do right, I thought I had COVID. Initially, I have been going through so bag. So I had shot a video with Conway. Actually, um it's during called Complex carn and my son had jumped on my back. And before that, I have been traveling around with Kanye a lot on airplanes, um, like I mean were taking jets everywhere. Like car I was traveling with Kanye was doing a Sunday service Slash the JIK album, the promo for it. So we was going going everywhere with you know, so I was just taking a lot and then abnormal amount of flights, uh for two nineteen so that a good number. Yeah. So let my son jumped on my back at the video shoot and like it's like a crook in my neck. And I went to a primary care physician. Um, they gave me malox MALOXI car called and that made matters worse, um because it was misdiagnosed. Um. So by the time we get to March, when the pandemic kind of, I went to I took another flight. I went to to Kanye had the fashion show in Paris. I went with him and and his wife at the time. Huh yeah yeah, So I went with him, Kim Corney and the kids. We flew out there. We had a good time. But when I got back, I thought, I was you know, I was felt really weak. So I went actually went to early care. I went to try to get a COVID test because I thought because we was over the French and France and then then just had hit. So I was hitting in Europe first saying, so I was like, damn, I ain't got this, so they didn't even know how to do the swamp and none of that. When I got it was all new. So I was like, yo, let me just slide back to New York on the first thing smoking and then the quarantine happened. So I'm thinking, I, well, this ship is you know, I think it might be a month or something for ship to be closed. She'd go on and on and on and on. One thing led to another. Um I got very you know, my weight started dropping significantly, and you know, uh, it just got to the point where I ended up, you know, me and car he was having a conversation about. I was like, yeah, I'm fucked up. Dog. I'm like, y'all need I need some help? You know what I'm saying. I was in the crib basically, um So, Kim and family a doctor in New York. Um So, I had to getting the spinal tap and everything. They discovered that sli lupus, which I was like, I didn't understand. It was like nobody my family got it. The stereotype is that it's a it's an African American female. Sit, your genetic got the same thing and tea balls right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I didn't you know, so um so um. And what happened then was that because I dropped so much weight and I was like they initially thought it had some ship called stiff Man syndrome. So because I literally was like walking like I was like nineties, ship was crazy. You know what I'm saying. Um, so yeah, just yeah, and I don't still easy, but that ship was that it got to the point where I was just like I'm just I'm just thinking this's gonna happen. What I'm saying like like writing well out and all that ship, you know what I'm saying. Um, but um uh what wound up happening. I had to take steroids to get my sister to jump back up. So I wind up taking steroids, but then taking steroids I was taking apprentice on and then doing that. The middle GRAMD dosage is the equivalent to like glucose, So don't tell me that created the diabetes. Yeah, So basically I had to. I had to. Then I had Then I got to an inch knowledge this and it was like, yo, if you don't take insulin, you're gonna die. Your pengreas is done. You know what I'm saying. And you know what I mean. I told money. I was like, yo, I got a son, Yo, just to shoot me fucking you know what I'm saying. Because I was really apprehensive about taking inst because everybody see taking insulin was like funked up. They wasn't like they wasn't thriving no more. It was just like it was like you know it, it was like it looked every from my finch rock like one. But I was wrong because it actually it actually helped me tremendously, but from my lack of education about it, I just kind of panicked. I was like, now I want to do that, and it was like, Yo, if you don't do it, you're gonna die. Your pancreas is done. Like you you only thing you could do was jump started with insulin, you know what I'm saying. So I was like, yo, I thought of at all I did was thinking about my son. I was just like, yo, just do whatever you gotta do that, you know what I'm saying, to give it to me now, why while we're waiting for it, and she was already sucked up, you know what I'm saying. So did that, and then um, you know, I just started changing everything because I was still eating the same way with the medicine, and that was only leading to the grave. Honestly, Like you know, I was still eating, thinking like I could have whatever the fuck, and you know, you know what, it was just a lot of ship. And so with that, I begin me with more doctors and nurses and you know, shout out to north Well grouping my my um my, uh, my new basically primary physician was my looping specialist, Dr Neino. She she she definitely was a can't do it for me to say, my but for my life to be saved, I gotta make some money for that. Man. I didn't know none of that asking that question. Um, lost a million, you know what I mean? So lost a million was basically my way of just telling the story, you know, like telling the telling everything that happened, because I feel like my life I was losing. I was literally watching myself lose lose millions because that's the value that I have for myself. So it wasn't even let's say it's a it's a metaphor. Um, it's a metaphor so to speak, just the same like I'm literally watching my life and I gotta either I saved me onna lose everything. One hand, I want to pop the champagne with you, but another hand, it's just like, I'm not sure we got some more ship to talk about. You know, you also have to work with Case Slate two before he passed away. Actually hunt deep. Yeah, Man, Case Slave is definitely, um gonna be missed. Man, it's so crazy dating COVID. It's just the thing about the pandemic. But I don't think people ever fully understand is the amount of death that we've had to deal with in real time because of social media. You know, I like I watched so like even when I was going through what I was going through, I was like, I was a mobilized. I was on the couch and I'm just looking at face looking at all my social media platform. I remember I was, man, I was on drugs and I saw Brion dancing they I thought I was in the Twilights. I was like, wait, what the fucking we were doing? He was definitely the hype man. I didn't I couldn't process because you know, like it was hard to process that number on the INDI shut down from what we know. It's a new industry now, like basically we we now worked on the phone. The offices in New York as far as Gregor Companies still not Universe is still not open, you know what I'm saying. So we've had to figure out how to adapt to the pandemic, you know. So in that adaptation, it's like, yo, you're seeing you know, even even though your murders of Verses was an adaptation. Thought I was like, is this not not no disrespected? But it was like almost like it was like, I guess that's what we're doing the code, you know what I'm saying, right nice you know, like Godship was like yo, I remember man first first d nice Um joint. He was like, yo, cors what if I seeing like a more later? I think over it was on that D night on the show Nobody Out. It was likely sh it Obama, D nice Ship sit at the tunnel sunning, you know what I mean. And like I said, I'm going through all this on drugs. So it was like I'll see d Knights in the shows that my nigga, you know, I mean, Derek, my nigger from from damn near. Since you called me nice, I like how you like how you called him Derek. That's that's outside. I just look at all rappers DJs who've been through what we've been through. And I never called him in the first name. I always I mean, he liked to be called Derek. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice to men record. Yeah, your studios, Holy Mode movie. So what's the next for you? Cars? Reality TV? No, let's not list my god, my little it's a bag. I've seen the interview where you were saying it's a bag. You know what they're back. I just passed on doing it, asked me to do it. Oh yeah, yeah, I did drinks. But what was it like? You know, um, you know, coming from where you're coming from in order to and then going into reality TV just be say for a person that maybe you want to tell them how to do it. I don't know, you know, I mean I feel like it's uh, you know, listen, um, Tiffany said, like I said, because like I said, I know Mona since she worked Violator after started, you know what I mean. So you know, you know, to see what she's been able to do with the lane that John your has, you know, that's somebody that like literally the first trip I took a trial was to Miami. How can I be down and Mona was working with us. She was all point person. I mean, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So like for me, you know, my hat is off to Mona, you know what I'm saying, Like I was suppoke to Mona. I actually you know, all full transparency. You know, the thought had crossed my mind to maybe do another season, um because of all the ship I got going on, and I'm just in a different space. But I just think that for me at this point, like I've done so much that it wouldn't make sense to go back. But you know, just in full because I'm literally about to go. They're doing like uh an episode that's like you know something like what they're doing now type, And they asked me to do what I was just like right now they ain't in the fight, and they did. He did you know, when you're doing it change you can't tell Drakes can't fight. Yeah, so it's not no fun for me. It's not no fun for me. The first union fight with you that's went to together the balls, Okay, what's going on? Okay, okay, okay, you know so you know that was that was then and this it's cool. How about you used to with your lady. Oh really, no, I didn't know any lady and my new lady. You know my new lady. Oh damn, you're throwing it up with my new lady. You grew up with my new lady. Really, he called you poppy. Okay, I'll be mad about that. Sound right, But I don't know. I know he said ship. Make the look yeah, like I'm being honest with you. Say because you know her, her brother your fa y'all girl to her name is Melody. Okay, okay, you don't melody on the same floor, not even just the same same you know. You know you lady, that's what's up. Hell yeah, you look like you. I'll see the way you look here. Now, let's mom and she take care of me like you look. I see you. He smells okay, because I know what I deserved. You know what I'm saying. I know what I deserve. I know, I know with the word warrants, But do a nasty breakup or something like that with Listen. At the end of the day, I got my son. My son is my gift in his life, and regardless of whatever I go through, that's the final products catering and me and kating actually got a video coming out and shot Jamal, And so my albums is incredible. Who shot the mall? Who shot Jamal? Who shot Jamal? Yeah, So it's just it's basically our our dialogue, um, our dialogue between Falls and son about dealing with murder in the black community. UM. I think a lot of times, you know, too many times there's there's there's there's bodies, and you know, there's there's bodies in the streets that nobody knows what happened to him, and the police don't really care. And then you know, unfortunately families do the police work if there's any police him to be done as far as like getting just that closure, you know. So we're having that conversation in this in this record, and it's important and I'm looking forward to it and me and Kayden and I also doing a group album called One On too that having an executive producer. Yeah. So he tends just just got study on the Summer Jams screen and all that. So that's out of you know, I'm like, I'm not gonna criticize other than not keep it playing myself. So I don't do the thing with the girls and the dirt and all that on those platforms. I don't do none of that, you know, I just you know, I'll keep it where I'll keep it. But so, um, so what do you feel like um about like parents who like it seems like they put in their children on front Street. Is that something that that your son wants to do. Is it's something like he came to you and said, pop, oh, this is something that you wanted to do, like it's practice, and then it started to keep put himself on the summer Jams screen. I ain't telling get stirty. I got to v so you do it, you know what I mean. But I mean I think the whole thing is our generation. Now we're in the position to offer nepotism right without I don't. I don't need to get a check off o kat. And I'm straight. You know what I'm saying. I have a resume and and uh and uh in a contact list that provides what I'm saying. So I'm able to provide for my son. He don't take me shopping. I'm I remember pomp apart from because you if I just remember one time, I think I said the source of magazine and I've been like hearing Busino over here over talking about YO think they're thinking I'm making money of my son. I think I'm trying to expose my son. And I remember just hearing that, like and I'm just I wonder what this mean because perception. But what you're saying about nepotism, that's true generational wealth, right. See. The the the thing is there are people who actually see something in their kid and be like, yeah, just the ticket and Williams King Richard like that. That movie is so ill just due to the fact that what what you know, it got it. It takes humility also to see in your child with you what you can't literally do anymore. Right, So if you came you, you was Richen, you was Richard, you know what I mean. The whole thing is like you had you had two choices. You could you could be You could you could withhold the knowledge and hope they figure it out for theirselves. Or you could come up with a plan that's gonna actually be able to be executable through your do your through your seeds, you know what I'm saying. And him and his wife, it wasn't just him and he was him and his wife, and then you know they're geting shipped from the neighborhood. And then guess what, then three or four years they that wasn't the same neighbor no more. Their neighborhood changed. Not to say, right, their neighborhood changed. Do because of richest ambition, you know, And and a lot of times fathers don't get the acknowledgement of having to be the quarterback of your family, like having to really be able to see the end zone, I know, and take and take the heckling of motherfucker's worried about what you're doing in the process of getting from first down the first down. What I'm saying that the players in the end zone, that's where the six points is at and whatever else you're gonna get, you know what I mean, So you gotta get dead. I like that. I like that a lot. Go back real quick to when you're starting to run right and trying starting the bubble, because it was huge even from the onset. How was the atmosphere for you, like just seeing that and seeing that's actually family right there, right? I mean, well, the number one thing it did was give hold because I'm at that time when trial comes out when in Queen's right, So the streets is a mess. You know trial when trial came out of the central part five got arrested, right when not too long before that, Edward Burns that got murdered in Queen's document. You know right, I got it. I'm looking to the crib what I'm saying. You know, So the streets that we lived on, man, you know, niggas are selling crack of twelve bro, Like I know, I got a little I got man that grew up. I'm watching nigga smoke cigarettes and diapers like ship was out of control, you know, in in in retrospect, you know what I'm saying. But at that time, it's what was going on. There wasn't no nobody questioned none of that ship like that. Nobody was I mean, you know Al Sharlton question, did you know what I'm saying when he was rocking the joint? You know what I mean? Right right? You know what I mean. So, but we did like also like that, like Tribe gave niggas hol l L game, niggas hop singing DMC in the hood, and the Lincoln gave niggas hold. You know what I'm saying, nigga, You know me, you know I was able to battle run when I was the fourteen You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know what I mean? Come on, costs to go to far? I ain't going nowhere? Went too far? How you think I got tried? You battle one DMC Battle run run Gold. Yeah yeah, he had he had a to toss you windbreaking track to TI right like how you trying to make it sound more fresh? You know? No, that's something you're serious. So you battle run where Buster told tip battle run? I got in tried Buster told Q Buster was there and said if you know Buster was there? He told no, not if I did. Okay at fourteen fifteen? Yeah on one on two that's the name of my label, went on to record, because that's how that's why I got the money. Queens get the money. You ain't leaving the block without getting this work. It didn't run have the hat on nah? This before, this is before they had this. Ain't no derby run TV man. I want some TV man is running the street nigger and queens. He had a haircut when they did then with the kid an with the key, there's ninety two. Not y'all, let's getting front cleaners on one our two. Okay, me me he spake ge busted ros rumble still scan rumble still haven't heard that in even a while? Right, I did he have on adid this? I don't remember a fool. Okay, you say you say you beat one, I a fool. I'm saying I'm not. I'm not had one, so I'm not saying it wasn't like if you you need to pop bottle champagne. If this is still please man, this is what they say. He probably probably heard say that I heard my skills say that that he wanted an autograph and run, but no one never came on you know what started to that? So we're like responded that no one didn't want to hear something. Listen, run and what I'm go? He can continue to go? Did me playing great? At one point, I was supposed to work with Diggie Singles on his debut album One My Nigga Niggas No like, I'm not, but I never disrespected. But I'm like, yeah, I'm saying, I A I can't listen. Here's the thing, right and and finnished to run right it's the nigga did me a favor by even saying, all right, shorty, what you got Yeah, nigga. That's what I got. That's what I got from Queen's names when I got from the boulevard nigga. Next stop trying, next, next stop of the chase for two facts pop one of that. God damn it, I said if CONS wasn't drinking, I wasn't drinking. But you're making me want to drink. Let's keep going. I'm gonna drink. I'm gonna get your cut hold on them. Mr Leek tell Biggs, I'm I'm recording because he's calling me right now. Because we celebrated you, brother, we celebrate salute solut So you gonna take a sip, don't count. I get the story on my but look not what okay? Yeah, I can't lie to you. Bro. Wait wait so you battle run? What happens in that moment again, like even in the midst of it, like what what was it supposed to take place? Was actually Fife and Mr Cheeks are supposed to battle that night and Mr Cheeks yeah he was, he was Coach Cheeks. So that's that was supposed to what was supposed to happen because because they because Coach Cheeks was Queens. Yeah, but he was the he was the nigger on the tapes, you know what I'm saying. And he wanted he wanted in on the game. So to get in on the game, he was like, yo, let me let you mean Fife, because Fife, this is right after the low end, you know what I'm saying. So Fife was like, so, so that battle was either gonna be Fife was gonna eat his food or he was gonna eat his food, and they was gonna have to then say, Coach Cheeks need to be on. But eventually got on, you know what I'm saying. Um, and about that night, like I said, he got he but but they didn't battle. So for for some reason, the chiefs sing chief didn't come. But spank G can spank G and Coach Cheeks was partners, they said. The ship called organized. I like to organize the two burgers and fry with my lord boy crew, because that's the way they would do. My man stretches. Now when the fact, well, Mama said, and so I did catch reck uh the real deal like holy Field making the emurgency phone calls my night man is burst to Freddie, don't scheme on my dream. Just get your machete. D that nigga was nice back in the day. That nigga was nice. It was him, he was nice. And Red Man they both did tape that uh mana bello um and and that's how Redman got on red and got Red Man got popular. He was already kind of with he was working with. But the ship with him and Biz the mona below tape is what made Red Man. You know what, I wouldn't put them on, but the no no, no, but didn't really he was spitting for was DJ and that for right. So but then he got on the money that Red Man slacks no HAPs, I got a knapsacker raph to give you more power to snap. I get the powerful grade gold castle. Now I got the power to smash you and thrash you. That nigga was that nigga back in the days, right, he let a clip off on that ship. So so my my point is saying, either one of those rhymes was that. So the kind of the stage was set for the ship, but Cheeks, I don't think, for some reason, got there. But then Run came and pulled up out of nowhere, you know what I'm saying. And when Run came, we all was out there. And then we started and then Ron went that, I went the wrong went again. I went again, and then that's how it kind of turned to smack DVD, not smack DVD like Queen's get the money for doing that though. Yeah, that's why, that's why I never try to come at it like yo oh, run, I told Run. It wasn't that I run gave me the crame run run, run past the tours to me. But it was in a battle. It was in a battle, mole, you know what I'm saying. He didn't give it to me, Like right, he didn't give it to me, Like yeah, I'm gonna put you on down with the king with me, you and Pete Rock. Now, I was like, nigger, if you don't, if you don't tear me up. You got told by Run and you might quit. But you know what I'm saying, because it ain't no really no coming back from that ship. Neither though holds your battles. I am battle with me. You in fifty the shades of hip hop wanted to see. I wait, that was Wartner's was was, wasn't it? He was one of the lines And yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's crazy living that moment I did not know how special for that moment was one I never never would have realized that that would have made it to the century, Like look at all the hold funky all right, and that she's saying that's my right, right right, and I kifre was doing here, yes, yes that if the people that don't know you could go right now on YouTube one where somewhere it's a it's a famous freestyle this before like the punt freestyles and on listen. This was during the n R E album It's me uh consequence fifty. We all went twice and everyone and I'm telling, let me tell you something because it was like it wasn't like it wasn't like we were battling like like like I was just trying to say, but we were but not battling each other. We had nigger battling who was the number one producers at the time, and everyone what's what they beat playing in the background. But I've never been able to like to be kid do like that type of moment like that. It was, yeah, and it was so spontaneous because if you can't just blame it on the error, I gotta I gotta say I don't think that I gotta take is gonna that comes back? Okay, I agree with you. There's definitely a moment in time because because at the time, because of the position that awful artists was in, you know, you know no nor no and and I feel like that moment get reading the excex self freestyle, that that that arguably a point to be taking. You're gonna say, right, I was gonna say, really that was the sper Okay, that's what that really wants to bite because that's because because of the factor, yeah, it made it doesn't made it to the future from that it was on a VHS tape. It's like so it got uploaded, which once again, you know what I'm saying, double back to when we first started from the beginning of the conversation, there wasn't even YouTube when we did that, you know what I'm saying, So that but we was vi it's still vibra. It was viral that back then. It was when when viral was viral, like it was holding it every time somebody posted that had the platform, it goes because it's like it's a it's a new thing every time. And like I'm saying, I think it was the position of you was in there at the time. Fifty was just got sign the track Masses how to Rob didn't even come out yet. I was coming out of tribes in between deals and punched and was trying to get a deal, so he was hungry. So it was like it was like the chemistry just all may say like ififty would have been if Anthy would have had out the gen on the mixtape, it wouldn't have been that same situation. If you would have already had our super Dog, it wouldn't have been that situation, you know what I'm saying. It was just like, why were you guys in the same room? Was it violator the common No? No track masters a common denominic because they and I was there for kicking Precession. He's also working with the track master they Ever, it was all a phony situation. Yeah, also did the beat that he did for me that night. He gave it to me. But that's a that's that's a legendary, legendary moment, and and I look for that. I look for that like in other other people genres of music. And I don't think that that chemistry. I don't think that it was a special time in hip hop. Man what was your favorite what's your favorite what's your favorite period in the hip hop? Excuse me, um man, I got moments more so than just like time period. I mean, look at um one of my favorite moments that probably should be my favorite moment. It's a bad boy era, just just because not but just because you gotta Honestly, I was in tried, but I was looking at that ship like, man, a good record. I wasn't. I was in army fatigues right like we're going ahead, going to the town every weekend. I couldn't. It was like, listen, one thing, one thing you know TV. One thing is for sure, like Puff knew how to make a record that made women react, hits not just hits that may women react. You know a lot of a lot of what's going on now is not people not really understanding. Also, like if it's your ship is overtly masculine, you know what I'm saying, that doesn't include women. You know, if we've got one guy who defines that, who nas eskeootball. But Nast still back in first that first album, nas has has some passive bitches. No, Nas has some busy because he has the buzz. But you know, what I'm saying, but there's still there's because he's different what you guys are saying. There's different things. But didn't right, But then look, let's keep it real. Even with nas right, he has almatic Right, he got the bitches, but then said, if I really want to go getting longer the tunnel? Did he wanted if you really want to maybe, Yeah, he wanted. He wanted to to know little bit, so that's why he upgraded and stuck up. Yeah, but I've gotta understand, like is one of the best chick record makers of all time. His first record has been the Apple Bomb Bomb. I still don't know what that is. What do you mean? What is benea a bomb? Um? It's a person but I can't say her name. It's actually you know what it was? The first thing I thought it was a stroke move whoa, that's that's his beIN as he coind of drink who it is? But I'm like, yeah, you know what I mean? They can know who that is so little check it when we spoke about a little bit earlier right now folk plus and saying hey man, because they ald I love you guys, movement, love what you guys are doing. But he doesn't feel like they're making music that fits the radio right, at least fits his platform. He said, And why you guys kid, And they're saying initially, yo, you you should care because we this ship, we're selling out like how we spoke earlier. We're selling out arenas, we're making money. We got to jewelry, we got to calls, we got the crowd. Why wouldn't you support us? Where do you on this? On this side of the story? Where do you on the spectrum of this? Yeah? Did my my side of the story. So where you go as a songwriter, you always have to have a chorus to get on the radio? What what what? What? Like that? What? What? What? What? What? What? Tammy lewis what what? What? Um? What's another one? Um? I mean you have to have a course to get on the radio. That's that's bigger than even with flex is alluding to. The thing is like, and I'm saying this as a songwriter like that has to be there has to be. A radio is based on audience, and audience has to sing along without singing along, there is no that that radio doesn't fulfill its purpose from a bit and you noticed as a DJ, so there's there, there's the beat, the chorus, and then the raps far as records that are hit records blowing up. Eric B for President was not just I came in the door. I said it before. It was doom, the doom, the doom. I came in the door. I said that before. I never let the might a advertize me no more. But he's fighting me by He's like me the mom. I can't hold it back. I'm looking for the line taking off my coat, claim my throw the wrong, kicking until I hit my lass. I know the words the ship this me. You know what I'm saying. So the thing is, it's about resignation and and and inclusion. Right, I'm saying this as a song writer. I'm not specifically saying this about that even that argument. I'm saying, the components of a record that works at radio rap is based on it's based on engagement. Because some will argue, right now, CARDI be gotta hit record and it's only the chorus that plays once or me me twice, Cardi beef with Little Dirk and Kanye right now, remember what Flex said though, He said that what dictates what goes on the radio is Spotify and YouTube. He just amplifies that. He says that I think he said. But but but in a traditional sense as far as even if whether you're on the radio or not, right, a record like bad from TV No Hook consider the hit record. Yeah, but y'all, raps are choruses, a wit comps regardlessly. You're gonna ship rain, snow, sweet of hell, keep your face and on my hand and the like. It's part of the plan. I had to talk like I did well, how I see it, Doug down all the pecauseles soon to be up. Yo, I know the fucking wraps, bro. Remember that was an era before hip hop was mainstream on radio. But there's a market that's New York. There's a proponent to to resignation that that just happens, right, Like there's a there's a there's a component to resignation that just happens. There's a tone of voice, there's a beat, there's a there's just things that make people in three listens start working with it. You know what I'm helps the program basically right right right right, so so so the your opinion you haven't heard of recollect that from grizelta Um, what I think my personal opinion, like at the end of the day, right, if that wasn't even the case, there's nothing wrong with that. Grizella has been on like a three year run right, like in the Spotlight, right, and they've managed to like transition and transform into like the biggest ship independent not independent. You're playing them in South Africa when I went to South Africa. So the thing is like, but if they're settling for more for Gazella, yes, absolutely, they made they made the three stars, they three they three hip hop household names. So do I feel like in fairness and then and loved as some of my brothers, can they deliver the biggest, the biggest records of their career? Now? Yeah, you got every redstarting you up. You know what I'm saying. What you want? You might have to You might have to go see Timberland for that. You might have to go see it for for that. You might you might see this and say that though, but say yo, listen because a lot of people think I think they're just counterproductive to kind of get to the gatekeeper ship, right, I hold. I think when people think that you say radio record or you say, um, a club record, and people automatically think commercial you can make a record that is radio really or club really without it being commercial, did it? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I mean I ain't Corey to always to go into the studio with that idea. This is my club record, this is my radio record. No no, no, but it should it should it should flow. As long as it's flow, it shouldn't be game. But if you have the wrong with being mindful but what you want to land you know what I'm saying, like, there's nothing wrong with that because I think Jay zhr get to give it to me joint. It was like, oh yeah, I'm pointing two two type of rap on this was like I'm out with this is the smash because as a song right too, when I hear something, I can either go either way. When you speak to you, you say, you know what I'm gonna go mess with I'm gonna go mess with the club. I'm gonna go with the club on this, or I canna be like, you know what, I'm gonna go falk with the hood on it. But you didn't go intentionally in that spot before you had to be, before you had anything go today's mind. So me working with a Kanye, right, because he a producer. First, I might have a Yeah, I'm gonna go this way with it, Like, Yo, that ain't big enough. So then you gotta you gotta rip that piece of paper up and start from the beginning. Because it's like when you got intellectual property, you can have all you gotta have a one level ranch or you gotta have a high rose, right, it's all them, which it's all them with you project onto the music, you know what I'm saying. So the thing is to get to a higher plateau, you need a higher level of thinking. So you so sometimes you gotta be your own worst critic, and like maybe I hit them. I hit this nerve already as far as my basis concerned. You know what I'm saying, Like you brought up like Lost and I didn't shoot the same level of video I did for Blood Thing. For that, I knew that Blood Sing had shot. What I'm saying, Loss a minute for me was my personal and my creative So I'm not I'm not gonna service that to radio. I'm not gonna say Flex is not women because he didn't record on the street too. Yeah, now that's what Flex, it's your poor you know what I'm saying because that um, because I'm just doing that. Yeah yeah, ship Hannani seven just had me come through the New Music men while I played it for all the DJ played the record. I played the record for all the DJ so it will be added, um I'm talking about Yeah Yeah, I'm I'm looking like Smoke brother Win a different space with um. But at the end of the day, Yeah, like with the Bloodstain't joint, that's bloos ain't gonna be my biggest record west. Yeah, you know what I mean. And I'm you know, so from there now you know, I got the remix coming remis crazy, crazy crazy. I'm waiting on like two more features that that my start announcing it. But I got that, I got that. I got the remix of the Summer for this ship hands down, you know what I mean. So independent that he got me on that one. That's like, understand sometimes just give up there Like such a thing is like it's like can you put out a record, put out a record or an album and called it like a full circle moment? Is that how it could be? Could it ever be distributed at So we're trying to see the Grammy family. It's gonna be on this trying to say they got a whole all of good music and all the trial on this. I'm feeling like your question though, right you was in you was in the car with you, right, yeah, you're gonna cass seeing you like the whole winter you just like phone up. Yes, yea. And they got a lot of money, right world, He's spend no money to clear every we were. I never see the pup a car now, I don't have cart. You got car. You don't use cars, use cars. You don't even you know, I wasn't when the bill came up. Wasn't sitting around having that awkward moment, you know when you both look at the bill. You know what I just you walked out. I just grabbed Yes, well, I mean different were different space. Yeah, you know what I mean. But it's it's it's great. But yeah, yeah, man, you know we week. He just got a lot of money. Goddamnit. Man, he's shine it right there. Let me see. Let me see what kind of watch that I know it's there is then to let me see my face stafted up? A ja come hear you here? Shine you got the pripe. What I'm saying it's a grown man time piece. You know what I'm saying, Like you know, you know, uh yeah, my brother loved me, I said, you know what. It ain't independent. It's on one of two records and it's distributed by My brother loved me. We talked about Jack because your brother loved me. Because we were talking about Q Tip too. My cousin loved me, love you a little bit. Your brother leve you a lie and brother loved me. Life with brothers, Jesus. I love that though, because you know, I ain't gonna lie to you. When I looked, because you know, like I said, I went into your music continuously, I knew. I knew that. But when I looked at the interviews like when, like I said, I supposed to tell about you, like when you when you're mad. I believe you when you're mad, but when you when you when you have me to I also believe. I'm looking at No Calcar. You know, No Calcar also believe you, boy, But not that's who I am. I don't really do gray every Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't halfway funk with niggas. I don't do sucking ship. I ain't on that. You know what I'm saying. If I don't funk with a nigger nigga, know, I don't if I wouldn't looking nigger. Know. I jumped out of jump out of moving van on Punk for you. You know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's who I am. You know what I'm saying. And I embraced that part of who I am. Just say on Punk. Yeah, I jumped out the van. I had to tend for in the sleeper from Kanye on the TV show, on the TV show Pong Show during Jesus walks, Yeah, that make van Holy moly, Yeah, trying to get it always why I would us and tell my brother loved me like he love me like I'm his brother. Noises that Champaigne right there. So you should have done that. So so damn you didn't see the Supreme Team documentary. I didn't see the Supreme Team documentary, but I definitely um it was well man definitely got to check that ship out on the roll with that with that, you know, because he's like a FILMMA documentary. I want to um, um, you know, me and him like a great text message relationship. But um, I texted him, and then when he text me back, I was filming so I couldn't. But this was the one of the one first times I'm gonna go on and say, yo, listen, bro, great fucking work. Because we're from the whole other side. I didn't even consider us west side Queens. I never heard that, but yeah, I just love, use love Queen's Bridge that it woke us through that West Side quay. So for what I'm saying is that if we know what was going on in Jamaica, we know, but for him to know when he knew, like the blocks in the areas. One of just why I knew because Uncle Wise is from a Hunter seven and got Brower and on forty projects and my other cousins from Basis. That's the only reason why I knew that. But I was so much of a kid, like like when when you hear me Satan paying for you're the leaka poppinga. Really he was working with the Britis. That's because I remember when Griselda, the real Griselda, the actually the Queeze. That's when Queens really got blew up because you know, cat Happy and preum and was rein up in Jackson Heights, so we had the Gold Town. So I remember my one like my one time I ever seen Alphole. He came to forty Projects. I believe he was popping to Willie's. And that's what a lot of people think. I'm saying that paid it for talking about Well, I'm talking about I'm describing what I'm supposed to describe in the movie. But I'm just you know what I'm to ask when it shows a tree of people in the crew, No baby is gonna do with uncle? Yeah, yeah, like you know you know t A. It's a bunch of VJ we were. It's a bunch of live asked niggas from princes from that side. The niggas lives niggas, you know them niggas is turning ship up. You gotta watch the definitely No, no, no, I've never met Prince. I've met Preme. You ever met Prince. The thing is like when I was a shorty because my mom my aunt, that's your my own is a Landis Atlantis said, you know, nigga like she got a baby by shorty black brother and she used to she you know, uh fat cat on the niggas, You know what I mean? On my family. I know, the niggas like for a kid, that niggas was the illest niggas that you like, the energy with them, you know, which is always you know, they were taking Kid Vince. There was getting a lot of money. There was getting a lot of money and they was getting a lot of money on the streets. So which you know when that comes, you know, you know, nig said the raps wrap life is the damn most dangerous life at that time, that was rap life. The block life was the illest ship. You know what I'm saying, Like Nigga's you know, like you know, Nigga's something you want to see. There's a part where l L's actually in the club that is crazy. That footage that probably that probably I don't know he went yet, but he said, but you stand, yeah he's involved, just like he wasn't happen yet. He was a pop and you seem you see a prince who see them all those things, know what I'm saying. He was like yo, he was he had yeah, because it's always that you know, that that famous I think it's in mysteries. I think it's in the mysteries. The Cute Club one of them one of them when they all on stage and they all dressed up and all that ship that yeah that's it. Yeah yeah, that ship didn't even know he was there, all knew he was dead. He didn't know it was film. No, he said he didn't know that specifically. Was that because he said that footage because someone he was that party? Yeah? Yeah yeah that ship was like, oh ship, I couldn't. I watched the whole ship all together. Serious, I got one else telling people I was doing. I was like, yo, yo, man, do some before ship right now. And this episode was like a complete documentary. It was completely different. I liked it the facts. At first, I was like, damn he he He'll do a whole ship and not involved Earth. Yeah. That was very last And did he had a shanty? I was like like, like, like, I believe Dug Bankers involved because the Dug Banker, you know all guy and Peter from Master Pil did a great job, bro great like even down to the backstory of how the area got built up by the contractor that their grandfather Griffin. Yeah, the people that the Griffin, yeah grandfather, Like I don't think the history would have been known like that at least that the black and then the riots happened and they cut off the streets with the trucks. Is though. Yeah, definitely, Queen's got a lot of history. We got a lot of history, got a lot of history, man, Queen's get the money man. So so what were you doing in Passes Downtown? Yeah, he just got that. I was actually I was actually in a mentorship program at Passions at the strip club. There's a mentorship programs a strip club. I'm sorry, passors was a mentorship. I was mentorship. He was ordered with mentorship or single moms no, um, because I was all her mentorships and um we were. It was basically like there was like an hour class that just consisted of baby oil. There was an our class that, um, you know, we would show you know, like basically richmantic, how much to actually do a transaction for like the medio ship. Are you saying he wasn't painting for a little world? I'm saying, I hold the mentorship. I don't even me. What's your program that my son doesn't know about? Did penship? Don't on it? But did this type of mentor ship? EPC? Did this type of mentor ship? Okay? I don't know that. My head was, uh, you know, if you know, you know, we need to cool it for a lot of stuff. Um. So basically, do we know other people who entered this mentorship? Um? No, I mean you know I actually had that. I had a situation. Um you know that happened on on school grounds out there. Uh you know, you know sometimes you know, people want to change their homes, their homeroom teacher. It's okay though, you know, man, thiss got weird you a whole room school. Like I said that away the mentorship program, I'm believing at that for single moms, who mama, I'm just saying with baby who got the baby? Because there was baby? Oh, I don't know about a baby because there's a mean right now And that says how that comes if you need to know what's you know what the funny thing is like? Man, you like that's like t you like ten four right now? That's like who to how you till forward? This one? I don't know, you know, nigga Yo, Nigga asked that nigga about passions. Okay, we're your points. The one I ready. I was gonna say I'm ready for anything, but I definitely like world. So you you like Wyoming? You've been to Wyoming? Yeah, pleasant, I like I liked it as it was you around was you did when he had the hat on the Maga hat, there's only one that Yeah, no one now came after that. I came after the TMZ. I was. I was actually running the Tribes Merchandise um Um initiative that they have with Sony so had had. I was coming off of just doing a collaboration with Billionaire boy Club. We did that. We did a U trial Buar City jacket for the Space program um record. We did it with Frell with you know, his own BBCs. We did Dad, We did it for Locker Drop. He did a drop with fans and then I dropped the phone. When I seen the TMZ ship, I was like, or when he said that the slavery is a choice, Yeah, the whole ship. It was just like, you know, the Twitter ship was going off crazy and I was just like, what the fuck okay? And I just happened to call I just actually uh hockey down Jay by accident, and he picked up. I was like, oh, oh ship, what else? Son And you know, we had a conversation and he and he actually was like, Yo, why don't you just come? I hadn't seen him in a while. Um. Um, but you know we was tapping, tapping in here's here's here's something to go viral. Um. What many people don't know is that Kanye at one point was supposed to join trial for the last album Wild Fight still was alive. No Fifer passed away. Because Fight passed, He's gonna join trial. Um, and that's why he's actually on the Killing Season record. UM. So we had really started connecting, but I was over here he was, he was doing what he was doing, you know what I mean? Um, some of the teams each having I mean, you know, honestly, I just you know, I'm looking. You know. When it did happen that I actually called, was like, Yo, you good, and was shift nigga, you know what I'm saying. And we just started laughing and doing, you know, having our conversation. And then he was like, yo, Yo, why don't you just come come? Why don't you just come out to Wyoming? Had you been to Whiteoming before? Never been to whim? And I was like, did did did your did your your negro sensis start going off? Nigga three o'clock in the morning. There were there was a moose outside of my cabin. What the fun was? And I'm like, yo, outside that was sucking ship looking at this ship like an old stag and got a hammer soup dangerous actually over you with the moose. Remember one wants to like going the moose that nigga. Look, you don't know now I'm doing on the counter. This niggas around like dash. It was crazy on the word with blocks. Gotta stayed at one top. So like the first day and going to the gym, right, you know what I'm saying, Like my ship on phoning gym. You know what I'm saying. A fox is walking down the street like fox, fucking fox. I don't think I've ever seen the part. No, never nigga man felt like even making a silly nigga like yo, yo, what the but we I like this ship called the first time we asked him. We go to the Bearsville before, Yes, okay, but go back to your story question. It's funny. I just didn't enjoy from Mike geronim No, and here's Bill but not not maeh to see im now his career I put him on Well, yeah, the first time went to bears Bill was with Mike Geronimo. Okay, let's get back the story for story. So but this ship is that the Armitage, which is the most it's wooding, but like Nigga's like, who the funk was staying there thinking that oil Nigga? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, no, no, I want to say it's like Harrison Ford was out there, like Nigga spend any of the Jones money at that ship, right, So it's like real selective. We're thugging this ship out. I mean like because because because the thing about me and yeah is like we don't really got the whole once. Once we reconnect, it's it's it's back to what it is, what I'm saying. So it's like Niggas is just fucking like it. You know, we running through the records, you know what I'm saying. Um, So it was a great It was actually a great experience, but it just started out it started out kind of crazy. But Nas is there. Naus was there when I got there. Yeah, nas was nas was there because right right, right, right right? So we did you joint kissy goos. Then we went to l A for Tiana ship. Well we finished Nash. Yeah, we went to l A for Tiana ship and then nah sh it was was last yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so that ship was ill though that it was ill, that ship was ill. So earlier we touched on m I told your ghostwriter, you made it, you made it clear. That's a different songwriter a songwriter, right, So can you tell people lifference between ghost writer songwriter? For those that don't know, I'm here in the flesh and my name is the ghost. You don't know ghost is And I said it before. I feel like it's you know, the term ghost right, and actually povertizes especially hip hop because you don't there's no ghost pop writer, right. The writers usually credited, right. You know. It's like Diane Martell is not a ghostwriter, She's a songwriter, right. She wrote and Bring My Heart for Tony Braxton, Right, nothing directed Diane. I mean Diane, what's her name? It is a Dane you know one of you, lady is the lady named Diane. I forgot names, so something. And the point that I'm trying to make is that at the end of the day, these people are credited, given their proper credit. Diane Warren, thank you, and hip hop is like a bad word, no hip hop and it's a bad dole, you know what I'm saying. It's a it's more of a thing where it's um like to say, you have a gholser what I'm saying. And pop and other genres they don't mind putting upright because in there and for them, it's all about the final The final product is the only thing that matters when hip hop because hip hop is also a culture and it feels like itself made. So I don't want to give credit to say that somebody else helped make You're part of the rules of the culture was always being your own person, you know what I'm saying, being having that individuality. Um. So, when you were presenting yourself as an m C, um, you're presenting your you're presenting yourself right, But when you're presenting yourself as a rapper, you don't have to be an m C to make a hit record, you know what I'm saying. And so of the the while, I say it's a battle because the bad A lot of in retrospect, lot of people should have song writer's, A lot of rappers are in position to be bigger, but they don't, and they they're they're clinging to the culture. You know what I'm saying, Like you as a as a business person, as a businessman or woman in in the music business, every resource is that your available, is that your available as long as the budget allows for such. Right, So why would you be why would you be at a at a at a six seven figure level as far as as a performer, But then minimalize yourself to like the elbow grease of writing it all yourself and you're and you're not and it's not clicking or or or trying to produce it all yourself when when you may because you've been on tour, maybe you're a little bit out of touch of what radio is doing, what spot, what the playlists are doing, what's happening on YouTube. You know the number one thing what your brand is brand retention. Right, So there is no boundary in that. It's a boundary. It's a boundary that you create for yourself and hip hop. You know what I'm saying, Because it doesn't mean that you're still not like because Kanye has stated that he has someone writers is not collaborative. Don't say anything at you. We're talking to Mr so So saying all that to say that at the end of the day, um yeah, like he the number one thing should be final product when you get to a certain level as far as a name brand, like you know, like when I feel like I can't do do the task, then you know, if the budget allows for that, then yeah, I don't have no problem bringing in nobody to be like Yo, whether you keep the whole thing you sparked the idea of whatever cases, it's all about getting to to the next level. Two that you could be on the radio is that you can show why do people always um label Dr Dre has a great and everyone knows that even like easy Easy he said ice cube right the rhymes that I said, Dr Dre is a great everyone knows depending on the album that people rights rhyme. But they labeled him a great. But yeah, and still when people find out, like people like Drake or Kanye West has a little help. The purest pist I think, I think, I think kind of two different. But the purist accept that the purists is like Yo. But but they're saying that he said it for Dr Dre, I think, I think, but he has collaborators as well. He has people helping to play stuff. And I think that Dre was a pioneer for a coast and the sound, and I think that's me for a lot of people. That supersedes the nitpicking of whether he wrote something or not, I think, and I think Dre always was presented in a in a communal sense. When he put out n w A, it was him and others. When he put out the Chronic, it was him and others. There's never really been Dr Drayden solo, to be all honest, Every Drey record is a communal situation. So him rapping the production was it was always thought that it was just him, but it's all always been, There's never been. He's always been a front man, but it's never been all Dr Dre project. No, no, no, Right. So the thing is like, so he's never presented himself as a Drake, like a drake, right, Drake came and presented as presented, this is jovial young money, present Drake as an individual. Right, so we we make the assumption that this is the individual who's doing it all. And no, it's never was explained that, oh he could be collaborating the brand, Yeah, the brand on the Nothing that Drake did was wrong. It just the information was a league, right. It was presented as the least. It was presented as something that the public didn't know, right. So then then then that made you scratch your head and like, so is the guy that I thought or you the guy that I thought? Right, that's the number one thing in hip hop we won't it's authenticity, or you're the guy we thought you was. You know what I'm saying. Everybody who's ran into that kind of wall, it's been based on their authenticity. Oh now we don't believe you. You need more people, you know what I'm saying. So let me ask you. I'm gonna take a pece you could ask. Yeah, um, Game said that on here, we had him on He said that Kanye did more for him in the last two weeks and Dr Dre has done his whole career. What do you what do you feel about that statement? And where was you? Did you hear that statement? And y'allman, Yeah, yeah, I mean it was on it was on the internet. Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I think Game has admitted that he was in his he was in his films about the Super Bowl, right, So, I mean, you know, Game, when he and his feelings, he'd be laying it off like so, I don't even know if he even I don't know what his intent was. I think he just felt away about like, you know, exclusion, rejection, false narratives of relationships drive people to say and do things right, Um, yeah you can say that, you know what I'm saying. I mean, yeah, that's that's fair to say, like, um, disappointment and things that I need to drive people to Like, I don't even know that's a game true feeling. I just think Game felt defensive, like he felt excluded. He you know what I'm saying. That was a big moment, and you know, he definitely was, as we could see, he was getting enough to put out a project. So in his mind, maybe he felt like because Kanye actually had done certain things in that two week period around the super Bowl, that he was excluded from that and it made him say It led to him saying that, oh, okay, it's a speculation. I don't know, you know what I'm saying. I definitely don't know, but you know that that that that's that that could be, that could be what that could be a lane for that, you know what I mean? So you know, oh, well man, we actually what's next for though we didn't actually you asked me what next? So so like I said, I got the album, come now we got we got the first single is that attached to a project. Project of the project was called nice doing business with you? Nice? Yeah? Yeah? What's that a statement? It definitely yeah. I mean it's a vive I mean because I think you know, I'm at the point and in first and foremost it's just a statements in myself, like you know what I'm saying, like the things that I've been through. So that's the old me. I ain't moving like that no more. You know what I'm saying. Like, So it was just nice doing business with that guy from from the tribe. It's nice doing that business with the guy from going to music. It was you know, the best way the part on business terms is to tell somebody nice doing business with you. Right, So you're saying you're old. Yes, I'm just saying I'm want some new ship, super ceo facts making making every decision, No man, but one of two records flew me down here. That's that's that's that's your ship. You gott to run it from them. One not too right, and whoever else wanted it? Now? Man, but I was I said it earlier. Oh and I was playing, But I'm not. I'm not really playing. Would you really do versus against somebody? And if so, who do you think it's a worthy of port? I don't know, kick cutting, No, we don't. We don't do the same thing. Yeah, that's that's what versus sometimes it's about. I mean, if it was a celebration sitting everything, I don't, I don't know, not everything. Ain't some someb' get nasty. Yeah, you've seen it. You've seen it up the three six shots. Some of that you'd get nasty. I'm dreaming. Um ah, you're talking about like the san No Sean. Yeah, and they wanted in the same movie. But like's in the same moment. It's been right right right right right right right right now. I don't know. It's something to think about, you know what I mean, I've seen. I wouldn't want to say no names because I've seen what happened with I like both of these things. Seen what happened with Bleak and Jewels. I don't know. I mean, I don't know, I gotta see. I'm just so I'm an album cycle. Charles Hamilton, Charles Hamilton, that's I'm just bringing out the wood work. That's the word. Yeah, he nice guy, though, I don't, you know, I don't only got the plan Asia plan in Asia. I mean, um, I don't. I don't know if that would make sense for viewers. Okay, let's come on, let's keep thinking, y'all. You gotta relax. No, I would, I would Dad too, and you know nobody. I mean, I mean, if it was in the cell, if it was like Red and Math, then yeah, me and Tip. But I wouldn't go you're a cute Tip against Red and Math. You know what I would you know, you know, you know you know what you know that would do. I wouldn't do. I would do me and Tip versus Black Star and put money off damn breaking news. You you do if Tip would down to do it, Me and Tip versus Black Star, you in Tip versus Black Star, not try versus Black Star, Me and Q Tip versus most definite quality. And I mean that's friends respectful, like yeah, it's still respectful. But I would do that. I would do that. I would definitely do that, and I'm and yeah, I would do that. I would do that. I'm gonna do that. I'm not you know, extrusive thing is not really uh diversus thing. But I'm just saying if it's just throwing an idea as far as like because you put me with him, I was like, you know you want to put me him versus them too? Yeah, the whole native tongue one would be dope where it's a celebration but showing showcasing everybody's records. I mean, what's your guy happen? I don't thinking would though, but it would be dope. Yeah, but that but nobody or need to talk who No, No, the whole the whole native tongue comes out you j B no. No. At this point, they was throwing around trial versus outcast. That would be crazy. Yeah, that would be dope. Actually, you know, I've never got my trial called qush plaque. But let's get back to your ship. They say, yeah, that's um. Actually I didn't even get one for the last month I'm doing. I mean, obviously you know what I'm saying. I mean, you know I'll be picking up my thing is wired transfers. That's what I respect. You keep going, No, I'm not sure it's about the white transfer. So um, so one on one verses you're not really interested in I'm not. I'm not saying I'm not interested. I'm just I mean because I'm the first two artists that you name were, um, I don't know what they currently have out, so I don't know. Like it's kind of it turned into like a status thing and like yours this and you're this and you're this, and I'm like, I'm I'm humble enough to say like I got my I got my first thing, while in a minute, I've been doing a bunch of see my verses, isn't fair because I'm right for other people and myself, nobody's being blood staining. Let's be clear, nobody, nobody have nothing out that's gonna beat that ship right now right But he don't have nothing now right this minute. Common would be a good one. I mean that that would that would be a headye. I mean, you know, Common got a lot of records. Though I ain't gonna lie, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not over here. And he used to love him. He got a lot of records. I'll be comming the NBA live. When I first joined tribe, when he had the line, I would comment as different, but yeah, we're not common ism, you know, comming a legend. Ain't know, you can't take it on the way what I'm saying like, you know, I'm never I'll celebrating all this too. It ain't just about me that I don't take learning away from you, I said, like with the other people, I'm not. I could have been like man, nothing all right, because because look, I want to be honest with you. And Nigga ain't know home bots the niggas getting no paper. No, I mean, let's let's just just be real, like you could call up hold the names you want. Niggas is niggas apprehended by poverty, all behind the back in the fucking ball, backling chicken wing like nigga hurt, you know what I mean. So you know what I mean. I'm not a sore winner though I'm not here to putting nobody facing a bowl of shit. I'm not oning that I'll lift before I do any of that, you know what I'm saying. But you know I mean. But but I'm I am a rapper. I'm an m C first, and part of being a MC is this ship. The rob Van damn ship. You know what I'm saying. So like when you say certain niggas, I wouldn't even climbed through the ring ropes for certain niggas. You're not gonna be You're not gonna get past Paronoid over eight Away Heartbreak. Who you think wrote that? Read your credits. You're not getting past Paranoid. You're not. You might not get past Grammy family. I'll call my ship out because see, when you participate in the Ryan, it's part of yours, part of your compositors. So how are you gonna get past on core? Nigger? Kanye called me. I was at a barbecue and we we wrote to hook the Encore on the phone. Two thousand and three, jay Z wrote the wrong not taking another away from jay Z, I'm telling how the hook came out. I said this to me. Every spoke about this before. That's part of my exactly. No, No, I'm not no, No, I don't care. I don't care about it. So technically I could throw on Core. Great. So then once again, if they're gonna play more fucking whatever the funk song, you gotta handle that. You gotta handle that, you gotta you gotta handle off. You gotta handle a bunch of ship and they're good. You you, you gotta handle spaceship. What you're gonna do about the spaceship not not too much. And who we're talking about again, whoever the fuck dot com, dot com, dot org go to go daddy dot com or the whole three of them ships dot I think that's the way. That's that's the way your coughs. I just want to tell you, man, Uh, it's not a lot of people who to every era that you survived to. That's that's what's crazy. And almost every era in the last couple of you know, you've been there, You've been relevant, you've been involved with some of the biggest projects that's been out. Uh. I want to tell you you know, that's not going unnoticed. That's going with a big salute to it. Because in order to stay of stay alive and survived in this game, I know how hard it is. Trust me, I know how hard of this I say, and I take my hat off. I'll take my hat off to y'all thanks to you. Um. You know, once again, we the first time we actually meant what the shades of hip hop it's like. And you know, you know, I did Drink Chance before when I did it with Tribe. You know, we've all stayed in touch since then. I've watched you guys become to become become to culture when it comes to interviews and YouTube and just just and just having artists giving giving the platform that you'll started and seeing how don't see of good intent have flourished for you guys. Man, you don't take my basically basically said you see a lot of ship. Basically you're saying not even that right now. I see y'alla see y'all become number one. Yes, that's wrack. So that's the whole thing. And whether the analytics is one, is two or three or Apple of Music, whatever it is, the conversation is number one. The conversation has the impact and that's the whole thing. It's just like it's a hit record, Drink Chance is the head. So we we interviewed Dave Chappelle and Dave said, we're just like, yo, you want to get this The water was like yo, I said, I said, we um, I'm forget what I said about I think gonna talking about um the documentary And Dave Chappelle said, great guy, and he has great teeth. Yeah. I mean he was talking about the old model that you got it up with the twenty two for queens get the money right, right, So it's the recipes to the over there, yeah man, And you know we're all here and ship looking right. I little I ain't out here DJ and for chicken fingers like a nigger man is though, what's causing all this brick Flint said, I ain't out here DJ for chicken fingers. They don't call me d J. Honey mustard. Nigga man ain't my man. So like I told you when we did the text, it's like, you know, like that that that's that's that's a nigga getting shut off, and that's cool. That's my man. He shouted me out on the Grammys. You know what I'm saying. You know, but you know, like them shoutouts, you gotta watch some shoutouts because then I'm like, shout niggas out like it ain't nothing. Nig y'allers don't y'all nigga, you ain't just don't like to buying movie between nigga. It ain't stopped in two sixteen because Virgil Gon, we're sending it to me like I said, it's not a lot of people who survived with what what what the this line of question is the question in general because because you know, it's a lot of ships that goes on this, a lot of ship that you know, you stayed strong for and you here, you're still to the test of time and you and you here. So we want to get your flowers what we did. Wanna you know what I mean, salute you and we're gonna We're gonna you got anything else to say? Anything else want to say? Uh, while we're on while we're on revote, make sure you follow me on Instagram at car cv um repost any clip from this interview, because I'm sure when I reflect back on it, I'll be like, at least let me see it hit a million and that's what ma, And then what do you can say? So let's make it learn. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by Yours Truly d J E f N and n O R E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's at Drink Champs across all platforms. At the Real Noriegan, I g at Noriega on Twitter. Mine is at Who's Crazy on I g AT, d j e f N on Twitter, and most importantly, stay up to date with the latest releases, news and merged by going to drink champs dot com. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.