Episode 311 w/ Cypress Hill

Published Apr 21, 2022, 3:00 AM

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary group, Cypress Hill!

BReal, Sen Dog, DJ Muggs and Eric Bobo of Cypress Hill all join us for an incredible episode. Cypress Hill shares their journey as they share stories about creating legendary music, their iconic performances and much more! 

Cypress Hill shares the origin story of one of their hit songs β€œHow I Could Just Kill a Man” and much much more!  

Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!!

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Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect and I Heart Radio and his Drink Chess motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's like, that's your boy in no R. He's a Miami hip popper, pioneer. Up is d j e f N. Together they drinking up with some of the biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional podcast and yet number one sorts for drunk fast Rich New Year's time for Drink Champs. Trick up the What'll it good be? Hopey want to shoot me? This is your point? N A O A what up is d j e f N. That's the saming crazy world Radio Drink Chess minix up where mediaf and started this show. We started and we said we wanted to give people, you know, the flowers. That is season of its legends. And when we're talking about legends, we're talking about real people who create, who paved the way for both of us to be here. These dudes have told all over the world. They told like restless, I feel like there was thew These guys has transition, has stayed who they are, but crossed over, but stay who they are. The first people to light up in anywhere on stage, especially Saturday Night Live. Had we watched that. I watched the documentary. These guys are legends, a legends. They paved the way. If you are Latino, if you are a smoke man, if you are a person who loved music, if you're a person who loved raving, all this, all that, that ship is just all combined together for the most selling Latino group of all times. When we had to google it myself in case you don't know who the we're talking about, we talked about our homies, our family. The one thing watching the documentary is one of the first things I noticed is it was Cyper's av It's not Cypress Hill, right, So why did your name is Cypress Hills if it was all Cypress? Okay? So, like before we really got on, we were called dv X right, Devastating Vocal Excellence. As corny as it might be, that's what it was. But when we got on, we had to change our name to something. And uh, you know, Mugs was constantly bringing East Coast music over to to send Dog and myself and one of the one of those, uh one of those albums was Wild Style. It was the soundtrack for the movie and uh In. In one of those joints, um ram Melz references Cypress Hill. He lives send dog lived on Cypress av So we thought Cypress Hill. But there is a hill, you know what I'm saying. No, there's a street. There's another street down. I lived on Dearborn. Yeah, yeah, really, Lollipop the preschool. Yeah, I went to that school. No, no ship, that's crazy. So yeah, you know, that just seemed like the natural way to go. So that's why a lot of people thought we were from the East Coast in the beginning, because of that little flip right there. You know. Otherwise we've been called Cypress Avenue or some other ship. It fits. It fits because when I looked at the damn it Cypress have I said, how did they get Cypress Hills? So it never dawned on me. Well, let's go straight to you. It's I was coming to dressing room. They tell you not to stop smoking because you were smoking. Now, I was rolling out the documentary. It was rehearsal. I was rolling up a rehearsal, rolling up the day before. This is the day. It was the day, and I was like, don't smoke Okay, I ain't gonna smoke, but were you smoking? Not yet? Okay, so they just smelled it on you. And that was like, well they knew what they knew, something was gonna happen because we're being Sony Columbia smoking. Nobody was smoking Columbia records, but Downyana would be like the ciper still leave him alone. Wherever we went, we was. We was blazing and getting kicked out of hotels everything. So I'm just rolling up and you know, it was like don't smoke, don't smoke, don't smoke. It's like dressing room and dress then, and they said don't slide up on stage. All right? Cool. After a while, I was like, man, funk damn. You know, because we were young and aggressive, we just really didn't give a funk. We're trying to figure this whole music shot out and be fucking courteous, you know what I mean, to be nice and try to fit in and that right, But still were young and still aggressive and were like and fun, these motherfucker's my light up and we'll Saturday in New York this time, because you know it's crazy. Now New York passed the bill where you could actually like I would have got. The last six months, i've been going back home, I've been smoking right in front of program. It's the weirdest in the world. That's why they should have us back. Now there's my point, you know, you know what the original plan was to that, you know, But because they kept antagonizing him with not smoking, we were like we had been doing shows at that time where we were destroying our set at the end of tables, the turn tables burning, Bobo's cone goes on fire, like this is how Cypress Hill ends the show, right, And we were ending tours like that, and then we started doing it every show. We bought these shitty turntables mugs with unplug a swath them out at the end and we'd fucking smashed the set. So the plan was to do this on Saturday Night Live, smoke at the end, but they kept working with him and he said, fuck it, he went, we had to do it at the beginning because I know they might cut the TV right, so we didn't want to do it the first song. It was the second I don't range against the Machine was on there and they was talking they was gonna do something. They cut them off before their second song, So I was like, we got to do it at the second song so they don't cut us off live, right, So when I lit up there, everybody knew that already that he was gonna do that. Pretty much. We all had joints ready so that when we wrecked the set, we were going to stand over the aftermath of it and make that statement. But they kept working with him, you know what I mean. And I could relate to that because you know, we we come from that punk rock state of mind where like, if you tell us not to, we're going to and funk now, funk the plan. I'm gonna really show you that we're going to. And he did it off the rip, and you know what, for as much ship as we got for it and we got banned. Is one of the most re ran fucking episodes. And they don't cut his part out and just kept kept smoking the like that adds to our myth, you know, in our legend. I think you know that we would do some ship like that, you know, and that he would take that risk right there, and uh, you know it added to our story. Man in a in a in a cool way as opposed to a fucking l We took. No, we fucking got a w off that because at that time, and it says it in a documentary, were you guys actually the first people to light up on stage? I don't know if it's a hip hop act as as a hip hop act, most likely, yeah, you know, because obviously people were making references as we were, and we were speaking to it, you know, from the rip. But I don't remember what was the first show, but someone through a joint on stage, because that would happen to us, We get joints rained down. One day, I picked one up and I lit it up, and people went fucking crazy for it because they hadn't seen someone light up on stage. So I started doing the ship everywhere with my own weed though, because like that's how I'm hearing records. Everybody was talking about don't smoke, like, don't smoke, I don't brain damage break down said, yeah, it was off expression brain damage. But I mean after that, yeah, you know, because so many so many yeah, I mean, so many people had the wrong information for so many years, and we fucking actually learned it and we're like providing it, you know, and uh, it flipped people. It It made people have a different outlook, and I think that's why it went from that to now the chronic like, oh ship, maybe these dudes are onto something. So I think we opened people's minds on that ship just because we were so blatantly upfront with it, because there was who we were. It was nothing planning, you know, like we gotta be this because there's nothing there in that lane. This is just who we were. We smoked a lot of weed. We love to do music, and we didn't give off fun got down usually down our House of Pain. Oh boys. That's when I first met Cypress. This they're opening up for the checking Head tour and I was playing with them, and then uh, they came on the last couple of weeks in the tour, and then I first met Sin and then before you know it, I started hanging out on their bus more than I was with the Beastie Boys. So you know, uh, they had a better weed, you know. So uh, you know, it just all came together like that, and then before you know it, you know, uh that asked me to do the sold Assassin to a ninety three that was with Folk Dubious House of Pain Hooligan's you know, And it all started from there. Wow, that's the beating us. And it was crazy when we were on that Beastie Boyd tour. We was making ten twenty thousand and nine, and the Beastie Boys was like, you want to open up, will give you five a night. We looked at each other, We was like, fun, let's go steal all their fans. Will sell more records, will get our publishing checks will get bigger. Let's go. Wow. Yeah, because you're b is the audience, and you know, and and and salute to them for taking the chance and bringing us on because of me. You know, they had put us on the show with them in New York, remember that at the Octagon Club or something, and was the building. There was the building, that's the building. Yeah, we're we're still like up and coming, but there we're on the bubble. At this point in the Beastie's or someone in their camp says, we should have cypers to open for you guys, blah blah blah. So we we go and this is the first time now because this was before lot of PLUSA and all that ship, we go and do this and now people are washing and stage diving and doing all that crazy ship to our music. And the Beast at the Beastie Boys show, and I think that's kind of they saw that and that opened it up for us to open up for them on the Check Your Head Tour, which because I think you guys kind of like invented like like raps other than Beast the Boys rappers, you know, dominating these festivals back then. Festivals was like it was just it was just like it was. It was the first hip hop coop to headline reading big festival in England. It was one of their big historical it's makes genre, you know, and for hip hop to headline it that was big at the time. Just turntables, right, it wasn't you didn't have the band yet. Yeah, I just turned it. That's crazy. That's now amongst you was born in Queens Ain't going watched the documentary I Claimed You a Media, Jamaica hospital between Jackson Heights and Flushing, who my grandparents and my aunt lived there and then moved to l A, you know, like seventh grade. So how was that culture? Shock? Weird? Weird at fu? You know what I mean? For me could be being able to jump on a bus or a train and and and move and just being around culture in New York to go into l A and being like just stuck, just stuck, and it was slow and it was and you said, from what part of Queens You just said, Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights. Okay, damn that that's really that's really Columbia. Uh yeah, so you go from there to play. I moved to Bell Gardens and it was it was pretty much like Southeast Los Angeles, you know, it's like um Mexicans. And I was like, this is a little bit different from because yeah, man, any chance I can get back. So Christmas vacation, I get on the Greyhound and go home. Go back to New York. Some a vacation, Get on the Greyhound three days, nine and nine dollars, go back to New York for the summer. Every time, just go back. But then, you know, just bringing that culture back, Start bringing the culture back, bringing the pro heads back and the Lee jeans and the Latigras and do rags. And then I start bringing you know, when I met the homies here, like start bringing the records back. Rock Kim when he was on Zankia Records and the Bridge him, she shanned records like this ship was one records I bring all the ships back and the records wasn't in l A yet. Nobody had him yet, so we were waiting. Yeah, we were. We were so ahead of the kid. We we had we we we had a little, a little advantage, you know, as far as the culture was, you know what I mean. And then being sent would fly back to New York with me. His his dad worked for Delta Airlines, so they get free flights. So they fly back to New York. They stay with me and Queen's and we go hang out, drive down the Philly with Clark. Can't hang out with said, I mean, maybe I knew him and I forgot metal Man. Yeah, well you're part of the group at one point, but he had gotten signed before we got on, so you know, right, so he popped off his own thing and you know, Sanding Muggs and I popped off Cypress Hill. Your has hold up a second. I got something to say. Addiction is a treatable disease, but finding the right treatment can be overwhelming and confusing. Shadow Proof, a national nonprofit, is here to help without judgment. At shadow Proof, their goals to help you find addiction care that meets your needs and leads to better health and long term recovery. When you visit shadow proof dot org, there's an entire section that helps you learn everything you need to know about alcohol and substance use disorder. There's also will find help section to help you find the support you may need. Get help today by visiting shadow proof dot org. Again, get help today by visiting shatterproof dot org. Yeah, that's my younger brother. And you know, he did his thing. You know, he and I had success and a kind of mortar showed us that it was attainable to us as well, type of ship and uh and along the way we learned from you know, what he didn't do right or what he did right or whatever, and you know, we came up behind that. But originally when I first started my first band, I wasn't like, uh my first hip hop group. I was like in high school still and Mellow was my Ryan partner, and uh, it was all behind because I saw run DMC on Soul Train, you know what I mean, and I was like, these are the dudes. We got to be like these guys, you know, So we started doing our own thing with DJ Julio G. Yeah and um and then it let that led to you know, always somebody in the mix doing something together or apart or but it was always this crew right here. It could have been a combination to meet him and him or him him or whatever, but there was always something in the works. There was never anything any point where like we were not like actively trying to record or do something, you know what I mean. And it all started from from that point. And that was like when I first started, it was like, you know what I mean, I was I was still in high school at that point. That was I was doing my thing, you know, I was just trying to I knew that there was something there and get me what I'm saying. So that's what we that's what we always that's what we always strive for on the block. Let me ask you as a question real quick, because your first video was shot in New York, right, No, it wasn't. What was what was the Funky Field one, which is the first one shot downtown l A. Looked like New York. I did in an alley that sort of looked like it could be East Coast, just right. Um kill a Man, which is the second video that was New York that was like and hand on the park killing man. We we went in different locations. We were up in Harlem, we were on Times Square over there bi Aster Asters place, and one other spot I can't remember. And then um hand on the pump was Red Hook, Brooklyn, So that's why still it was yes, but it was Red Hood, Brooklyn. And that's another reason that people thought we were from scause that was my next cutes have been there, but then Cube was in there. That was the Cube showed up random that it was random and they told me prodigy and have it just got out of school and they was there, the um there, ice Cube both random or they were all random. So we didn't know any of these dudes, right, like no personal relationship. First, we had never met Cube, we only or something. So how he knew from a knew that. Let's backtrack EPMD, let's playing our ship for everybody, ice Cube being one of him. So he hears about us and and you know, he becomes a fan according to the story, right, and he comes to New York for some promo ship or something he was doing in New York. He heard we were doing the video over it, asked or you know the Cube, where is that at it? That's Aster's place right. The Cube desit downtown. He hears we're there and he comes down right say, um, Q Tip, he just happened to get off the train and he was walking through. Saw it. U MC has heard about it. They came through and uh, Tim Dog was the only one. I think that was by Sony. They knew we were doing the video, so they Tim Dog from New York. So everybody else was just random because we didn't know. We didn't have a relationship with it with any of these guys yet, you know, we we were fans of them, you know what I'm saying, But we didn't know him, and they came out and supported and that that built, like the relationship with Q Tip and Ice Cube and you know, and and even the UMCS for a minute. I mean, those were our boys. Whenever we come to the to the East coast, there was and Brand Nubius, but they weren't in the video, but just saying out with our ship was out for six months before we started popping, but everybody knew we was like the underground heroes, but it took six months before everything just came together. It wasn't like York. We was popping in New York, stretching while Beata was playing us this is a beautiful I mean, let me cut you up and what's like, this is a beautiful thing because me and if we always had this debate back then, how New York didn't show love, but this is this is the opposite exception on the rule, right, because West Coast right. And then we did video a couple of right. You know, as the hip hop group goes from the West Coast, we came unorthodox. People expected us to sound like gangster rap, and we sounded nothing like. It was gangster, but it was not that in that genre. It was more looked at its hip hop. And because of that East Coast flavor that Mugs brought to the table in terms of the production and send Dog and I, you know, doing a hybrid New York slash fucking l a slang on it, no one could really tell, you know what I mean. So we got away with with a good one on Motherfucker's. But again, you know, because he was showing us all this music that was coming out that we didn't get on the radio back home. We were ahead of the game and so that that all played a part in all that, not just New York because when you get in New York, you get the whole were the first Motherfucker's and then once we shot the Killer Man video, we started getting on MTV reps like two or three times a week, and you know, that ship was like the only watch you know what I mean, the box and then she just started taking off, you know, you know what, you know what's crazy about the stretching Barbado ship, right and and and it speaks to this in their documentary. We went up there and you know this is no one knew us yet. This was like a total promo run and they asked us to do a freestyle and my freestyle was crap. You know, I wasn't ready for it. My mind wasn't there, and I was slightly intimidated because I'm in mecca of hip hop, you know, in New York, and you know I'm a West Coast kid, like I got confidence, but in that moment, I didn't do my best work right And so Motherfucker's was like not feeling us that day. But they said a week later, when that Killing Man ship pop, all the Motherfucker's it was hating on us start calling in for the fucking record and that ship sort of you know, started to kill a man bubble right there. Do you think that that some of those mysteries that people didn't really know where y'all were from, what the background was, kind of helped in a way. I liked that I missed the mystery of things because your mind, when you creative, you start making a He's on things in your head that are bigger than life. You know what I'm saying. No, but I'm gonna be honest, even as a young dude looking at it the way I dressed, I can still feel that Los Angeles, although, like you know, it was like look like a New York thing. I could just feel that Los Angeles. It's just like send a shirt like you just you just know, like I can wear that same shirt that the rest of the country, maybe you and New York automatically, but like even me and I'm and you know, first I guess cipper soon and it's like man, I think it's they're saying l A stuff and you know, and then then the Latino aspect to like I'm Cuban, and at first I just think y'all are just Mexican coming out of l a dog go by, And then I hears hold up, I hear Cuban slanging this ship because I didn't even connect Mellow yet to you guys, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, holy ship, they Cuban too, and from South Kato. My head just blew the funk up right there. It was like what Muggs Muggs always um said this man, you know better to be mysterious because you know, it makes people want know you more and and do the homework on you. That's there's that mystery build up and ship, and back then that was awesome. You know, it helped because we didn't show our faces on covers and we even stopped going to clubs for a minute to be not so accessible, to to be that mystery and ship, and uh, it made it made motherfucker's want you more rather than being out all the fucking time and being super accessible and the motherfucker's getting to know your game and how you roll in all that ship and you know, sort of at that time that sort of played you out. So you know, for us, it was all about mystery. And we saw what the rock and metal heads would do on on their album covers and they rarely showed their faces always some obscure ship and we that we love that ship, right, So that that became our visuals for you know, our album covers, which I think is a whole other element that in hip hop. I don't think it was a strong like the way the imagery, the logo like all that just made it so much more. The record labels wanted to show the faces of the faces their marketing. Right here, let me show you these fresh fucking faces. This we want you to buy these guys, right, and you know, we just didn't do that. We were like, we see something else and that was thanks too much, just like by the vibe, you know what I mean, by the vibe, that's what we was about, by the vibe, not by the faces. Like a lot of people didn't know what the funk? Who the funk? And you know you're dressing you on your cover and then that that that gears played out to look at the cover and the cover looks dated, you know what I mean? We just keep it timeless, and that logo just became iconic like forever. So let me ask y'all because like you know, we've seen run DMC and we've seen the Beastie Boys, right, but it was like y'all music like like even let's just like DMC doesn't have a record call you just Kill a Man? Yeah, that was like it's nothing, but it was different, like how did y'all have balance having a record called like how I could just kill a man? Still be on festivals and it's on the stage is like how the fun and no one's offended, like you guys who like it's like, it's crazy because the ship on the radio when we was making music with MC, hammer, Vanilla Ice, Jazz, jeffrom, the Fresh Prince and w A comes and were coming and when we come and kill a man, all of a sudden, that's on daytime radio. Andre's on daytime radio, and Snoops on daytime radio. Like for about those five years, it just done flipped up like a motherfucker. Sometimes when we're playing this song, I think just that, like how the fuck you know it? Well? You know it's still it's justified how you kill a man? Right? Um, yeah, it's a trip, you know. I didn't expect that to be you know what what it became. I don't think any of us did. We knew we had something, but we didn't know what what was gonna hit and you know, thanks to the DJs. Salute to all the DJ's that flipped that record and and hit that that song because it was a double a sign funky Feel one and how I could just kill him then. But at the time, because we're a you know, a group that talks about weed and its hip hop and we're talking about some violent ship, they choose. They chose to push as and Sony chose to push Um Funky Field one because they figured that was more marketable and it was cool, but it wasn't really resonating. That's why that first six months no one knew who the funk we were. And then DJ's flipped that record and to add on to that, you had the Juice soundtrack right that, you know, it makes it makes it the time frame with Chuck Chuck d and the Bomb Squad were doing the score and the music for that, they heard out I Could just kill a man and they were like, that's got to be the main song and I need to know the story. I mean so like so, the combination of the DJ's flipping that song and the momentum that was getting on the mixed shows every day play it wasn't getting rotation play, but it was getting mixed show heavy mix show play, and then the video starts hitting. I mean, fuck, what was crazy is that we were on tour with Naughty by Nature and we hadn't made a video to kill a man yet or hand on the pump, but the song starting to go right and this is just before this is before juice. This is like when the mixed shows start playing the ship. They pull us off the road to film those two videos. I think we were in Virginia or something like that, and Sony makes the call pull him off the road. They gotta come to two days to film such and such and such and such kill a man in hand on the pump. So we knock it out, jump back on the road with Naughty and continue to fucking move and then eventually this juice thing happens propels the fucking song. This is like, yeah, well it's yeah, as we released in August, so it was yeah, it was probably early two, right somewhere around there, or no, that had to be like late ninety one because it was O P P. That was the big song at that time and we were we were opening for them at that time. Like Tretch was always family with us, and they wanted us to come on and overly for them, speaking about the Juice sound track. Each oh yeah, well ye digital Underground, Digital Underground, there was our homies, so that they would come to l A. They call us. We'd roll up to the shows because technically Digital Underground isn't from l A. Yeah, and we we we knew them through a guy named Jerry Davis who worked for ASCAP, who was one of the guys that he was like the first believer in us, I think, so salute to fucking Jerry Davis. But he introduces us to money Be and and the rest of the guys. So we become friends, and like moug said, we'd go to their shows and stuff like that. And so when we got it on now and then when we go up to the Bay, you know, Park would come hang out with us and smoke us out sometimes just to go have our back. I remember one time we were having to show in Berkeley somewhere because y'all going Berkeley. Yeah, all right, Boomy pulls out a big gass hand cannon and I fucking oounced to some green Bay area weed and was like I got your back, Like all right, let's go himself. Park himself, he didn't have a bunch of homies by himself, and he would come hang out with us and and he was one thousand about that ship, and you know we relate to that. We're like, hell yeah, let's go and uh ship. I remember one show we did with UM. We were opening for UM third Base. I think it was their last tour, their last big tour before they sort of went away. UM. It was us him Dog in Third Base and we were at the DNA lounge where we filmed eventually filmed UM Insane in the Brain years later. We filmed it there because it's historic place to us. Anyway, we're in this venue, Park shows up and uh, I remember this one dude getting dragged in the dressing room and beat up by these fools and throwing the right the funk out. It was like real on some ship to to you guys, did anybody could jump in on this one? Was Park the same guy from Digital Underground on on Death Row or that was two different individuals. He definitely evolved and you know, he saw things maybe a little bit different, and obviously he was rolling with a crazily different squad at that point. You know, I hadn't talked to him in that time when he was rolling with that squad, you know, because I mean we were constantly gone. I mean, next time I seen him, he was in New York with with the live squad sting them. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah. Sometimes when we do, remember when they would do the Jack the Rappers and all those sorts of conventions, we'd all hang out together then, like you know, it'd be Tretch Park, the Brand, Nubians, Buster Um Tribe, well, Q Tips sometimes Fife, you know, and we'd all be up just chilling, smoking blunts back when I smoked blunts, and uh, we go to blunt with one hand. I used to be it with two. I haven't tried to when you're young. So let me ask you. I'll switching the subject a little bit. Um, How do you described just now like you're saying Buster Tribe like the way y'all the way it seems like it was. It was in this time there was no East coast, West coast, not for us, not for us. I used to come out the clubs in New York before we were signed, before Busting Them was signed. I'll be at I go to the Long Islan railroad to catch a train back there would be that I had the Cyperus Hill Demos are the leaders of the New school demos like early days like that, right, So so let me ask you all from the days going from there to this East Coast West Coast, how did y'all feel at that time? And y'all didn't. It didn't feel like a beef. I don't think it was West Coast. It was like, yeah, their motherfucker's right there, but there was nobody else. Yeah, we never felt the heat of that, you know what I'm saying, because we you know, we know that we we we sprung off from the East Coast. If it wasn't for the East Coast accepting us first, um, we don't get on. It's like that old ship that they used to say. You know, if you can get on in the East Coast, you could get it on anywhere. You can make it there, you can make it anywhere, right, And that was true for us because the West Coast accepted us after the East Coast did. Because we were not a traditional West Coast group. They just weren't gonna get it unless y'all did. And so that's what happened for us. There. That's real. That's real because um, a lot of us grow up and that's all they know is this East Coast West Coast. But we just hearing you described that era, it was just like I just I went to a chi would be in New York, would be in the tunneling is that we kept rooted in New York, you know what I'm saying. Like up until the pandemic, we were doing a show that we call Haunted Hill there every October for like twenty how many years, bobo, like twenty two out of the thirty years, and we just stopped at the pandemic. So we're constantly going back and feeding that that core base that that was our East Coast family there, you know what I'm saying. So you know, we never felt all that ship about the East Coast and West Coast being We thought it was ridiculous. It's like that magazine print that said East Coast versus West Coast. But it wasn't the people. It only existed for certain groups that were actually beating. It had nothing to do with the coast. The only you know, the only had it was was the proximity. These guys happened to be here, These guys are gonna be over here. But it's got nothing to do with the rest. But but but the media perpetuated something different and there's reasons for that. But that's a whole different conversation. Yeah, yeah, that's that's great. No, But it was so dope to hear y'all speak like that, because, um, you know, people forget that times, people forget the times that it was like. You know, it's because I don't remember I was on depth dam at one point. This is after Biggie died and I would land and they just be like security, you gotta go, because it was just so on guard, you know what I'm saying, because after we always happened, you know what I mean? Yeah, you ever thought I was gonna get this serious? Though? Like once once they started beefend Well, you know, when when you got cats that that you know, they may not be the ones that are like still living that ship, but they got homies around them, It's it's bound to happen, right if if you got those kind of cats in your circle, Because somebody's gonna stand up for you even when you don't need them to, don't want them to, and don't expect him to and then that's when ship happens. You can't bring that gangster ship into the music. We're trying to get out of this situation to get into a better place and inspire motherfucker's to do the same thing, right, get out and do something better. And a lot of the times you see motherfucker as well. Since from about ninety six or ninety seven and up, you see a change where it's like more motherfucker's are talking about doing fucked up ship, and they're allowing this on the radio and all this stuff, where before they wouldn't allow us to talk and allow singles like this, you know. So now it's more about mindless ship, you know, and less substance. You listen to the music, some of it, there's some good. Oh yeah, there's a lot of ship because you know, I spend two I learned from DJ Muggs from way back in the day when he was taking those trips back back East. I get on his turntables when I'd be watching you know, the crib, and so like I still funk with records today, I still spend so hit to what's going Yeah, So like that, there's there's some Yeah, you think a lot of new artists. Yeah, and you stay fresh like that because you know what's out there, you know, And I think that's what keeps us all still sharp to this day, is that we listen to to ship, you know, Like Muggs told me, and I always say this, you know, if you want to be the best, you gotta listen to what the best is out there, no matter you know, how you think you are, you know what I'm saying, And so you have to keep doing that as you evolve as an artist and you you progress, so you know, we stay up on game like that. But there is a lot of garbage, but there always has been. There's always been as much specially just makes us sound better. Yeah, yeah, you need to garbage, you know what I mean. Even even even in our early days in the nineties, there was hip hop that was that ship, and then there was the ship we didn't listen to because it it wasn't slightly wasn't that ship, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean there's plenty of records. I mean, but that's always a cycle. But it's all, you know, subjective, it's what you like, right. So there there's some some young artists that I foxed with and something that I definitely don't. Well, let me let you know, pick up to our people, Cherry Colorado. Let's give these. But you know, our show is about the show. Our show was about giving people their flowers while they alive, giving people their flowers. So we wanted to give each of every one of your your own flowers. Yeah, that's right, we're bringing flowers. Bring a kind of flowers. Cool where the flower? Right? You used to be able to roll the joint with one hand? Yeah, before we created the funky field tips. Yeah, would Yeah, I could. I could roll it with one hand because I heard joint both because I heard Willie Nelson could do it. So I would practice it and I eventually got it. It's a bitch man, you're cramp your hand will cramp the food. Yeah, can we see it? Can we see it? I've been not blocking nothing right. Wow. Joint relationship with Hot Times, well, you know Hot Times was like they were like, um, you know, they heard about this hip hop group that was championing cannabis, and so they wanted us on the cover and that sort of opened up the bridge between the cannabis community and hip hop right there. And then after that, you know that that that issue did so well, and we we built a strong relationship with them with High Times that they had other hip hop groups and we were the first one there, the other first a lot of things, and we did parties with High Times at the Wetlands, remember that spot, like smashing, like off the hook like this. I mean it's a little club, but it was jam packed. And when we were doing shows, uh for High Times, events like old school High Times events, the small ones with Chef Raw and all those dudes rest in peace, um man, they were fucking awesome shows, awesome parties at Wetlands packed like this and motherfucker's just rocking to to our hip hop set like it was just unexperienced and that the little things like that sort of built our relationship with High Times, and they always lifted us up and they found something in us. And then they started seeing something and like read eventually math and eventually Snooping, and you know, the list goes on. It was Khalifa. They start started opening up to hip hop because who better to fucking Champion Cannabis. I mean, you know, we went from the step a step child renegade genre right there is non apologetic. That's the best platform for cannabis right because no one else is doing this for this for this community right now. And so you know, they embraced us. We embraced them, and I think hip hop did as well. And a lot of hip hop kids that were like just reading and the source start working with High Times Magazine now and vice versa. You know, the the alternative kids that listen to to you know, rock and different ships like that. From the High Times they start listening to hip hop and now you see a shift in a combination of hip hop kids and alternative kids coming to shows and ships like that. You know it. It was like a crazy bridge that it created and it still exists today. You mentioned red Man and circling back to when you said that E. P m d. Was putting people on the all was that the reason why I read chose the sample y'all could be time for some action was the album was finished and it was at Columbia Records, and it was circulating for six months before it came out. We was like, why the Fox taking six months to come out? You know what I mean? They were trying to set it up. You know, magazines was three months out back then. On all that ship. So they were setting it all up, but we didn't get it. So at that time, Motherfucker's was hearing it was like an underground mixtape. But the Columbia Artists had it. It was like promo only and you walk into the office and you grab it off the desk, you know what I mean, Like, what's this new Let me get that look at the front desk, like you know you're gonna be your A and R or whatever. It's on their desk. We check out this new ship and then you end up grabbing it was a red tape. It was a red tape. Um, So let me ask searching through the internet, you know, searching everything about you after I watched the documentary, I don't want to get into the documentary after this, but I see Onyx, Yeah, I see onyx uh pop up and they go, well, if you want to do a versus, who would you want to do a versus against? And I only said, well, the only people we could do it against. It's like per sale. And at first I was like nah, but then I thought I was like maybe, and now I'm like nah, I'm still like maybe. How did you guys about versus? And would you do versus against Onyx. We are doing it. Yeah, we are doing it. You said something today. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a real okay. So yeah, the way it went down, you know because as rappers, we could ask this question since versus started, right, you get asked, right, who would you go against? Or who do you think would be a good one? Right? I get that, you get that. Anyone in the business pretty much guessed that, right, And so whenever they asked me, I thought, you know, it's either Woo Tang or a Cypress, I mean, or ice Cube. It's the big you know, it's a that would be fucking awesome, right. Um, But you know, Freedro said something on lad TV about it before you know, I ever said my first shit about any of the verses because I you know, I never saw us going against anybody, but I thought those two would you know, either your son who tame word. But listen, I gotta tell you that I am not worried about nobody. We match up on anybody, anybody who will match up no doubt. We have that kind of confidence. We chop heads. You know what I'm saying. We don't go for the tie. You know what I'm saying. Or the l but um, you know like that, I guess it caught you know the era of trailer. You know that he said that that would be a good matchup, and I think the mindset is this, right, So with Cyprus, do you know that we have a hip hop base, but we all also have an alternative energy, So it's the energy. So when they it comes together, there's a lot of mosh pitch, stage diving and all that ship right, that happens crowdsurfing, and they have the same type of energy. Right, So I thought about guys, I thought about I've been on tour, Well they got that or they Yeah, they definitely bring the energy as as we do. And I think that's that's the mentality for the matchup, you know what I mean. But like I said, we don't come to be second. But I think, you know, it's a win win for the people because they're gonna get a great show because I know they put on a great one, right, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, where were this? Where is this taking place? At the Forum home? Well, you know, I don't I don't make the call, just go It could have been in Madison Square Garden. I'd show up the same way. No, but they live in they live in When is this so the data has already said fourteen Okay, I'm all for drinking. At that time, I'm going on think. I think I might have to cover and just just see that. It's it's a crazy format to go have to go up against your homies and ship like that, you know, because those are our homies. We did plenty of shows with them, plenty of festivals. It's not there's there's there's never now they're no no, So I love I mean, you know, um ship um sticky Fredo and I did uh a feature on asap Fergus joint get the funk out of my face or whatever, and so yeah, I mean we're mad cool. You know, this is for the sake of like, let's give the fans a show before the record, right wait, before the before the record to win. We already know stunned. I did you say it though Cyprus for the way, But the fans are gonna win more than more than anyone, because I mean I know they're gonna bring it and we are definitely gonna bring it now, sen you a flavor flavor had the best Man Battle hype Man Battle where was this app how Like? I was just like holy, it was in Australia and uh summer and like Sydney or something, and Flay was on a good one and so was I and we just we just took over this nightclub and then on the mic and did our thing, and and then Flavor. The funny thing about it, he tried to emulate the same thing that we did the night before the next night on stage of public handed me, invited me up there, and I'm like, going, your brom you know, I was sucked up last night what I did. Yeah, but it was a good time and it was a legendary night. And that's when I got to know Flavor. I already knew him, but that now I really really got to know him, because you know, when people are drunk and behind, you know, ship happens and ship like that and you see people's real true heart. And that's Flavor, you know. Yeah, Yeah, he has intention, I feel is always right, you know what I mean. He's a down ass homeboy. But it was a fun ass night. And weren't you there for that? I was right there, he right through with me. He wasn't doing right there, man, Yeah, there was no time. It was just like you know, trading off raps and this and that, and then I don't know, turning into something, turned into some other ship and he came back to rapping and it was fun. He was doing the Flavor dance, he was doing that, and then he was doing your dance. I mean, it was it was everything, the two legendary and I always looked up to Flavors as part of like and I feel like a small part of me it comes from him, you know, especially my early set dog when it was I was more of a hype man dude than than the actual rhymer, you know what I mean. And I used to get a lot of that style from him, you know. Then put my own you know, Salthgate California on it and combined the styles type of ship. We had a steady diet of Public Enemy. We love that, you know that they were one of our big influences, for sure. You guys feel that, um, you're part of influencing that. That l a underground that kind of came afterwards with solo assassins and bringing hooligans and and and and even how sapinion all the affiliates, you know, Funk dubious, cycle, Realm, and then you know, I feel like King T and Alcoholics and Liquid they came after like really solidified that that l A underground. Do you do you feel do you take onto that you inspired that? I believe we did because you know, again, beforehand, you know, groups weren't getting signed unless they sounded like you know, n w A or Compton's Most Wanted or something like that. And we sort of changed the dynamic like there's there's something else here. And you know, Muggs was a big part of that because the style of production he was giving ourselves and how sa pain and funk, dubious and and you know the inspiration that had on other producers in l A like Okay, we don't have to just do this, we can do hip hop ship style ship. And I think that's where you see the influx, so that style production happening in Los Angeles where now there's a balance of the gangster rap ship and like hip hop. You know, let's now let's talk about the gang culture for a second. Right. We all know that that's a heavy part of Los Angeles, right, but at the time all we heard was cripts and bloods, Right, that's all we heard. We didn't hear about nothing else, but now hear you guys come from East Los Angeles. It's a whole another side. And then how how was that, like, you know, going into that, because I think you got shocked, like, well, yeah, the colors or something. No, I banged with bloods and yeah, yeah, but you know, we grew up around you know, most of uh a lot of homies that that gang bang and you know, Latino gangs and stuff like that. I just happened to go a different route, and so you know, I got caught in the middle of that ship. You know, we were in we were in a neighborhood that was blood and divided by crip, you know what I mean. And anyone that got caught around that area, it could pop off at any minute, you know what I'm saying. And I got caught with my homies in that in that little zone right there, and we got caught off Garden. That's when I got popped. But I was I was banging, and uh, you know it's you know that when you're banging, this is a possibility. So that possibility happened. But you know, we did grow up, you know, on the East Side it's like considered what southeast or lower East something like lower East Side like Southgate, right Linwood, Bells, Bell Gardens were must grew up at the East l a Down there is the clotin thing, you know what I mean. It's Mexican gangs, it's you know, Salvadorian gangs. It's every Latino culture gang that there is. They got a gang for it, you know what I mean. And it's different than bloods and crips, you know what I mean. You have different colds everything, and you have to you have to know that when you go into those into those areas, you know what I mean, because growing up as a black Latino, you know what I mean, they didn't know what you were. So the first thing they thought was like, go kick his ass, you know what I mean. And that's that's what we can You're you're from like a crip hold or something. Yeah, you know, until they find out that I couldn't talk English and ships figured out that you're part of them, and you know, but that's the that's what we all went through growing up in l A. Is. You never know, no, I'm full Cuban, continue yeah ye Puerto Rican. Yeah. But and then you had to, you know, at some point along the way, you have to put your foot in the dirt and say, I'm gonna get down with a click because I'm tired of being just getting my asswood by everybody that thinks, you know, I don't roll with nobody. So you know, in fifth grade, I got done with my first click and as soon as I did that, like, have the bullshit stop, because you gotta roll with somebody. Man, you gotta roll with somebody. And that was where. But in a lot of places where you know, ship pops off, yeah, you gotta click up. And if you don't, you might just get recruited, even if you don't want to. If you who every day on the way home, they see you until you join their game. If they meet you and they want you, they're gonna put that you want. You want to walk down this block and not get fucked with. You're gonna get in this ship over here, and and and and rep for the block, you know what I mean. It doesn't happen with everybody, but like what if they see something and you, yeah, they're gonna come recruit and some choose it, some choose it. I don't. They ain't got to be there, but they're there because they crave that lifestyle. Because, like you know, it's crazy for me coming from the East Coast. And I'm sure mugs you notice, like um and queens, we have a melting pot. So like the Puerto Ricans, the black people, the Haitians, the Jamaicans, we all live on the same block. It wasn't like till but it wasn't util I kind of went to Los Angeles where I realized, like it's almost segregated like jail, Like you know what I'm saying, Like the do Mexicans is overhead, the Cubans is overhead, the Blacks is over here, and I had never seen that July I traveled. How is that? It's it's kind of crazy that it's it's separated like that. And Callie's so big, it's so fucking spread out that you could do that where you know, in in places not as big of a state, you're sort of mashed together like the melting pot, as they say, right, so you know you have that chance to to click up and and be unto yourself if that's what you're choosing, a lot of motherfucker's doing ship. I remember when we were like this ship was a hobby to us and we weren't even seriously doing demos yet. We'd go to different parties and one of them that remember, we go to the Cuban parties in Southgate at this place called the Ogi Nettle right everything, Yeah, family moved them and it was crazy because everybody was clicked up, clicked up there. We have a lifelong friend and one of our boys that rides with the Cypress Hillbillies with Send Dog the bike club and stuff. He grew up with us and him and his wife used to go to the spot until we get invited through them sometimes to go to these fucking to go to the organettal and the minute we'd show up, man, they'd be looking at us like what the funk are y'all doing here? Like that's how clicked up? We weren't that click We didn't look the way they did. We weren't. We didn't look Cuban and the way they did because they were trying to get maintain that tradition. That's what that's what those types of social closes before I looked like something ounce like you know yeah yeah yeah, like thugs and you know, everybody's all nice and ship, and so yeah, you know, and so it's it's very much like that. You can go to another neighborhood party and it might be all Mexicans. The minute, you know, sind Dog shows until he starts talking, they might be giving him a crazy look, but then when they hear him talk, it's all ship. What's up? Poems? You know that accepted? You know what I'm saying, it's it's crazy like that. We know the influences that that came and must bringing a lot of influence from and why but any local l A influences like was Frost or any other guys were doing it locally influencing you guys. I mean, they didn't influence me, but I was a fan of there's like the the l A Dream Team and ship like that, but it was a rock Berry or rock Ja, yeah, you know. And there was other guys too, like Egyptian Lover. They did. All the guys that were on the radio, and that first wave of of eighties hip hop, you know, left their mark for the next generation to cling onto and and come up. And that's where that's where I really started paying attention to is during that era. And there was also other cats to involved, like King T was actually before us, you know what I mean, he was before us. Said he always had his polished down style with it, you know, with a certain sample whatever, and it signed in the pocket all the time. And that was King T. You know when he brought a record, it was gonna be Everything's gonna be nice. Was the first l A rapper I heard that when I was like, oh Ship, Yeah, before that, it was like everybody was trying to make plane of rock records, you know what I mean. This album cover of him falling down the alley with the sawtof shotgun, remember right, that ship was ill right for sure. He was definitely like an influence in w A two, you know what I mean, They're like, how could they not be slapping it? Cub Yeah, Cube was you know, beast like you know, they all work, you know what I mean, They all had something different and that always motivated us throughout that whole time. We were just around the scene in the circuit kind of like you know, with my brother hanging being sign a Delicious vinyl and you know we saw Tom Loke spring up and jump off and do his thing, and then Young MC and all that ship. So we were right there in the environment. We were always you know, huddled around it. So it was only you know, in my opinion, only a matter of time before we got a chance to do our thing. I mean, because we were we were always right there, so it just it just from there. Iced Tea wasn't influenced to next question. Well, next question was was iced Tea said, you sound like crazy Mexicans on dope. He said something Angel does something Angel. I actually it's dope. The guys that sound like Mexican dudes on angels, but the angel doesn't. Oh yeah, described that we encountered many motherfuckers on it because oh yeah, you would see motherfucker's like freak the funk out on it. Um and in the membrane. I ain't gonna I would have thought you was too. I'm not gonna lie. We were just crazy naturally, you know what I mean. I say that, Um, I just think because of the way we sounded, we didn't sound like anything in l A. Even like the dynamic of our voices. My ship was crazy high pitched and a different style. It wasn't necessarily an l A based style, and my sound was was different. Um. And with send doing the psycho beta voice, which is the who all that on top of it. It was just I think that's where where's he's referencing, just because of the sound. The tones were different. Started like chucking flav you know what I'm saying. It made sense when he described it that way, like I understood what he was hearing. What made him for hearing it for the first time, what it would sound like to him? What angel us? No, just like my tripping. Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy, because I mean it was big back then. It was it was huge back there. Um so Sin you're in a biker gang. No, man, there's no biker gang at all. There's that's just following. You didn't even describe it like that club. Yeah, you sound like you work for the government. Because I seen it, I was, I was bull like, so I just getting part of that culture. I didn't do it back in the I bought my first bike in like ninety five or something like that, right, and that that was like a cross rocket Honda, And that led me to Harley Davidson's you know, scooters or whatever. And then now I'm sponsored by the Indian Motorcycle Company, right, so, and I just got into it, and uh, one day I had got all my friends into it, and we had like about nine or ten of us. They were all, you don't have bikes, and so I was like, man, why don't we make a little patch. And I've never been about, you know, joining anybody's army. I've always been one of the couple guy to start my own things. So I started my own thing. Yeah for silbilies, Yeah yeah, right, yeah yeah. But Young Rock across country we have. Man, we've done a long distance rides and ship like that, and it's you know, it's depending on what time of year you go on. Is you know what kind of whooping you're gonna take on that bike? So what what's the longest distance you're wing me personally to Arizona from California from where I lived in Cali all the way to Arizona. Who's counting? You know? Okay, I'm just along to it. I'm on the right until we get there, you know, and then well well well when we get there, then you know, then we meet up with other bike clubs and then go to the rally that they invited us to and ship like that. Now this is what navigation or you did this without navigation. Now, my road captain will have the navigation. Right, the captain words, I don't know what ye positioning man, you know, and then and then we rolled out. That's what it is. The road captain is the guy who's who's orchestrating their movements as they're rolling the parade going through. No GPS, no GPS. Well he might have GPS, GPS now, but he's coordinating everybody's I feel more comfortable if he has his GPS thing going basically basically basically following with him, right, one of I don't know, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, he has the coordinates, you know what I mean. So we roll out and and uh and whatever happens happens, you know. But it's it's his responsibility to make sure that we get to the spot we're supposed to get to. So that's it. And if he sucks up, they leave him with the scooter and he's got to get back by himself. Yeah, and there, right, if you fuck it up, you leave him with the scooter, and however you keep getting back if you say something. Now, I'm just gonna say. The funnest thing about it is actually when you complete the journey, you know what I mean because it's the physical thing. You're on the you're on the machine. It's a physical thing. And when you do it and come back and there's there's a you kind of feel like you went through a kind of threshold kind of thing and completed something, you know what I mean. It's kind of weird feeling like that on Wednesdays women flash you about Wednesdays. We don't know that's a real thing, like you know, like bacon No, I mean, I'm not sure what do you mean? Like girls do it alright? When I can take you to that spot if you like, I know where it's sad that would cause a lot of accidents. Pop, yeah, you want about your right. It's just just he got into it. I don't remember when they both first bought their bikes, like because Mugs bought one and Send bought one and a few guys from our crew, and you know, they got them crotch rockets. I was like, man, y'all are crazy, you know. I I used to ride dirt bikes as a very young kid, and that you know, it just wasn't my thing. I got into low riders, so you know, if it ain't a low low, I don't go go, you know what I'm saying. Holy, So how is it being the only Puerto Rican It's all, It's all of you know, Puerto Ricans and Cubans, they kind of all blend together, you know what I mean. I mean, you know where I was born. I was born in Hollis, Queens. Just make some money. It was always you know, my mom's best friend was Cuban and everything. And you know my dad. Yeah, dad is a super legend. Yeah, you know, so it was it was always loved, you know, so you know I felt right at home. Is that how you found up a music scene and your dad? Yeah? Yeah, I started with him. You know, I was five years old my first gig. You know what, time out? Wait a minute? What then? Did you just say I was five years old? It was It was in the documentary. It was crazy. Yeah, so you know my dad put me updates. No, no, I didn't heard it all. You know, Dad just put me up there. You know. I was playing on the pots and pans, you know, before I can even speak. So you know, my dad recognized, you know, the I had a rhythm, So put me up there. And then I was doing gigs with him till he passed away I was fifteen, and then I took over his band, doing the Latin jazz thing, you know, playing Latin jazz festivals and Playboy Jazz festivals, monitorate jazz festival, keeping keeping that music alive, you know, But that I always love hip hop, you know what I mean? And you know, you know the early hip hop always had like, you know, percussion in it. You know the year like you know, Grand Mass Flash and you know all that stuff. So it was, it was there. So I knew that this was something that I wanted to do. And then you know, Shi just came for me, you know what I mean. That's that's beautiful. What made you want to add um? Yeah to to. I saw him one day playing with the Beastie Boys, right, and I was like, man, he'd be he sounds really cool playing with us. So I invited him to a show he was doing at a at El Camino College because my little sister went there, and the Latino Studies people hit me up like okay, cool, we'll do that show for you guys. And then but I also invited him and you told me you played on one song. I remember him being there the whole show, right, But that's where I first saw him with the Beasts, and uh and I was like, I gotta I love to hear how he would sound with us, with our sound, with Muggs's production and be Real's vocals and and what I was doing with my secondary vocal. I just had a feeling that they would work, you know, and it did something to this day sounds right was it real estate? H No, it was Latin lingo. I mean already had like some you know what I mean. So that's why I gravitated to it, because I'm like, damn, you know, that's for cushion in this. I can do this. I already knew because best boys they were, you know, tinkering around a little bit with you know, Latin sounds, but they weren't Latino, you know. But with Cypress, it was a whole different thing. He was writing in Spanish, so I felt at home. When they came to you, to say, leave the Beasts and coming to us, it was a no brain or you had to think about it. Uh No, it was story. Story was like approached like that, like right, yeah, yeah, I think so. But at least I folutely poached him. But at least what happened was you know what I mean. For about two and a half three years, I was flip flopping. I was doing world tours with BCS and then I go on with Cypress. It was going back and forth up until Woodstock. What Stock ninety four, just getting a lot of pussy to just make some noise. Really in my notes that's next. So you know. Originally, originally Sypence was going to play on the Sunday and that was my day off. I was doing all the pollutes at ninety four with bect Boys, and somehow it got changed to Saturday. So I was like back and forth, Man, should I go away? And what am I gonna do? And everything like that. My mom last minute, she says, oh, you better go to Woodstock. That's that's that's a big thing. That's the biggest thing right there. So I left the note for Mike d I put it under this door like about three o'clock in the morning and said, I'm going to Woodstock. I'll be back for the show. And uh so I I did that. I didn't tell nobody. So then I flew to to to Woodstock. We did the show. I couldn't get out because it started raining and ship. So I was stuck everything and I had to I had to fly here to Miami after that, and uh, to a manager was all piste off, but well, we need to talk to you. You shouldn't have left us. It was very bad, all this kind of ship. He was the tour manager way back went for Ozzy Osborne, this guy right, all right, So the guys that go ahead and talk to me. You know everything I did I figured about ship. If I get fired from this gig, I got another one, you know. So they let me. They let me slide. You know, they said wood Stock is you know, that was a big thing. But you know, let us know said shift I did. I left to know that, you know, but yeah, that was that was a wild thing. And then that was, you know, really the beginning of me really being part of the crew. Where was the moment, because I mean, to us, I mean, it's hardcore hip hop, but the craziest ship about making someone making someone making the hardest care hardcore hip hop. It crosses over like I could never see DMX ever be in commercially. But he's like, where was the moment that y'all starting to realize that that is happening? To y'all. You know it's I don't know, but it's that energy. When you got that energy, that rock and roll energy, you know what I mean that she translates across them festivals and you get groups like Public Enemy, Cypress, Hill Run, DMC, you know what I mean, never cross over because the energy, it's like that's that ship, that's how like, that's that energy they like. But what was the moment that that y'all was like, Wow, this is really it? The festivals like those people, I think I think it was it was the Woodstock festivals. You know, it was five thousands, five hundred thousands, it was five hundred thousand that it was about four eighty four close to five. I don't even be real without being I respect that, but hold on, do you get the call? And it now has to hip hop? Been on with Stock prior to this? No no, no, not in the first Okay yeah, well Salting Pep was on it too. They was on different stage, different stage. Yeah, but it was it was around that time that you know, like that hit because of the odds won't be a back. Well, it was crazy as it like it hit me in that moment at it started because when we got invited to that and then seeing like the ocean of fucking people bouncing to our ship and when how I how I could just kill a man? Comes on they go and it's and it's crazy, you know what I mean, And that that sort of when it hit like because I mean, you know, previous to that, we had played sizeable festivals and stuff like that, but nothing that that big. And to see yeah, was so big we had you couldn't drive into the show. We had to get a hotel this other state, right, getting a helicopter and flying to the show. And yeah, because because it was like traffic jam, well no, the roadways turned into a fucking parking lot, like for real. People just got out of their car, fucking walked it and left their ship where they left it. It was like in the sixties, yeah, you know, so yeah, yeah, and some some went in on boat. You know, you had to go where the fucking the boat was and voted in or you helicoptered in. That was only two ways in for artists and that was wild man, just to see all them people that's over there, like it was, it was nuts. Yeah, we came in on a helicopter and then they say, you gotta go straight to the stage or how does it happen? And we were there for what forty minutes before we went on, maybe in a little bit longer hour and a half. Yeah, yeah it was. When we got off stage, there was everything. They kicked us right the funk out there, like we gotta make room for the next band flying in. So it's not like, yeah, we killed it. I lost my shoes in socks on that show. I didn't bet on nothing but us to win, and I lost my shoes in socks. How do you lose your shoes and s okay? So me and send or send a nine for proper Grammar's sake. We you know, from the Beastie Boys shows, we were, you know, jumping in the crowd and that became a thing us stage diving and doing that that ship. We did it for a very long time, but it was new to us then, and you know, would Stock seemed like the place to do it. So I go in. I get ravaged, my fucking shirts getting pulled this way that way the crowd. Yeah, I jumped in. We both jumped in the crowd. I had to grab my my collar so that I didn't get choked out by my t shirt getting pulled this way and do the song because like we never stopped doing the song. We always finish, you know what I'm saying. And as I'm as we're doing the song, first shoot comes off, second shoot comes off, suck comes off. They literally got like they pulled it right to funk out and where is that right now? And then I was little Bay. It was in my person score and I came back on stage and you know, I was barefooted. I was like a hippie up there, you know what I'm saying, trying to do his hip hop ship. Um. But it happened on the last song because we finished with we Ain't going out like that. That was our finisher for a long time. Um, and at that point it was new. But like, you know, so that was the last song. I get up on stage. I don't know, I'm asking for my ship back. Ain't no one throwing my ship back. But years later on on on another tour, I shipped I came across one shoe right I'm on because from that same show, No, for like years later, like ten years later, we're on a tour somewhere with I don't know if it's uh, it's probably further than ten years. But it was either with three eleven or Sublime with Rome or slightly stupid. One of those three tours we did with those guys, one fan comes up and says, hey, yo, this is the shoe for Woodstock. Would you sign it? This is what I was a little saying that, and I'm like, cool, it was my left shot, and so I fucking signed it, right, get on. About another year later, I'm on and we're on another tour. I might have been with profits that just right, got the right show. He goes, Yo, man, what's the same what's't the same person? Two different people. I never got the socks though, so we're looking for the socks and holy ship saying now, you guys were also the first rappers with a Hollywood Hawk Walk of Fame sign because Colin is getting his Monday yeah, And I was thinking, like, how how far as hip hop came? And then I'm looking at the documentary on like the first hip hop group they ever gave one too? It's you guys, Yeah, like Robert de Niro, Marilyn Monroe, Cypress Hill. Right, So I'll tell you what you went too fast when you just say Hollywood Boulevard, Cypress Hill, let's make no noise for that. Wrong. But right there, how does it feel? It's crazy because you know, we'll get tagged in in pictures of fans going to the Star and like you know, smoking up or leaving some weed right there and taking pictures and all that ship, some stars toys on them through that stay wrong, I see them boy down Trump ship holes. You see what they were doing, a dumb Trump ship at one point any day, they don't VOLI they put weed, They celebrated, you know, like Stoner's you know, and and yeah, we get we get tagged on in a lot, and it's cool because it's something I know ain't none of us ever talked about or expected. That was just because I don't think it's artists we come in expecting to achieve these acts. We're just doing what we're passionate about and trying to win at it, and everything else is an extra. So when they came to us with that ship, I was like, oh wow, really it's crazy, you know, I mean for years just walking those streets, just you know, casually you can see and then all of a sudden to have one that's that's something else. I mean to see that journey from killer Man to probably be like this is just a dope street record, you know. We just want to do it for for hip hop, for the culture too, doing these festivals and then and then the Hollywood start that's gotta be. It was in Yeah, we were all ston everybody smoking to this time to go on. You know what it was you started smoking about it? You know, yeah, I thought about it, but I knew there was kids there and at that and my daughter was there, so I don't want um. But you know, the cool ship was not not the The star in itself was cool, you know what I mean. But the fans that show up to celebrate it with us, that was because you know, some star celebrations not many people show up, and you know, it depends on who it is, and you celebrate your star and it's all good and then it's sucking over, right. But we had a lot of our fans there that I did not expect show up and celebrate that with us, and that meant everything. That kind of meant more than the star now for nothing. You know, we we buried some weed under that star. Mm hmm. Fine. I would never thought that's whoever blessed. Don't go try to you don't because it's not good anymore. Just in spirit there. Well, you know what I want to tell you again, congratulations on that. That's just it's a legacy that you're kids and grandkids continue to see you visit every whenever they want to, you know what I mean. The monument there great granddaddy, did you know gonna be same, you know, a long time from now. And you know now who's Matt Mike Miller. Mike Miller was the photographer that um took the shots for the first album, so he didn't film the whole album cover. Yeah, like all those shots in that time. You know when you see us on the album cover where there's where by the fire and you know we're we're all looking a different way, so don't necessarily see our faces and stuff. That was shot at his father's steel milled. It was you know it it's uh, what street is that, Nate right before they d Santa Fe Road? Santa Fe Street or road? It was that one steel looked abandoned right close to that pig farm thing that that you know, that one that's over there around that area. No, no way before that it's like right when you're coming out of Southgate on the backside, if you saw it, but we didn't know it was this father's ship. I mean we've been growing up and seeing that ship forever. And then you know, he he says, I want to take you to this spot. And Muggs was very pivotal in that because he was giving him the direction. Hey, we want it to look like you've had that vision from get like sorry to go. But the art direction thing was there, all right, right, yeah, So we had this idea what we wanted to do. It was a trash cam, you know, I mean a burning trash can, like you're staying warm. It was like it was it was like August July August, it was outside, you know what. We're trying to get the winter field in l A. So we had jacketson, we had the five burned. It was like eighty nine degrees. We was taking the pictures. And the steel mill right there in like South Cake and that and that was Mike Miller's father's steel mills. So it made it easy. And the funny thing is, uh, the guy who was the assistant to Mike Miller was stefan Orio, director of our new of our documentary did a great job. What made y'all want to do the documentary because y'all was you had people filming it from the beginning that shut out massive people. I didn't know that they were so time. Yeah, and the camera ship. From the beginning, it's just us buying cameras, you know, when movie camera started coming out, one of the homies and buy a camera, the other homie buy a camera, just shooting ship behind the document It wasn't like live on Instagram. So we had our cameras, you know, we had our own ship. When you when you watch the documentary, do you like, what kind of emotions do you watch? Because I'm looking at it, like, man, these guys had a fucking heleb a life, But I didn't live at that like now. But this is the thing that when I'm watching it, I was watching My Girl That's night actually, and we're watching and there's so much ship that happens, and then it cuts to MTV News and I'm like you, MTV news hasn't been around for so long. Happen like y'all live like two lifetimes and still mash it happened after that. That's what I'm saying, like, so much has happened for you guys, And one thing that didn't established in the documentary is why you left the group, because that was the MTV thing said leaves the group. But I don't know if you ever like said why did you leave the group? At that time? Uh, I think I was just a scattered brain, know what I mean, Like my my I couldn't really focus on it on one thing, and I felt like, uh, I was more of a like more of us something that was against the group, that something that could help the group. Lack of a better term, he was like the ODB. I guess yeah kind of you know what I mean. I just it was I couldn't get my ship together. I couldn't concentrate it. For the first time in my life, I couldn't figure the ship out, were I what I wanted to do, you know? And then the road life is rigorous like that, just crazy, especially when you're it's your first time out there. And I'm not gonna make any excuses or whatever, but yeah, I went through culture shock and all that ship that, you know, and I would see these guys just raging on fucking tour and I'm like man, I just don't feel that ship. What I mean, I wouldn't know. I wasn't having fun. It was the I don't want to say, a burden, you know what I mean, But it was like a heavy ship on me. Um too uh to just stay the whole time out there with them, you know what I mean. And I had to battle the I guess demons that were trying to tell me like fun these dudes and split and you know, and the right thing which was telling me stay right here with your crew, know what I mean, and that and that, and I didn't always come through with that ship and what I mean, so I I've always, uh, I felt shitty about that, you know, until I figured that ship out and became a constant part of the A touring crew. And you started your own crew as well, right, your own Yeah, back in those days. Yes, I started the band that uh that actually helped me stay in music, you know what I mean, because my idea funked up as it was. I was like just I'm just gonna quit, you know what I mean. But these guys um like we we just need someone to practice with, can you just rap? And I'm like okay, all right whatever and that turned into me staying productive doing music and this and that the whole time. Be real, would not you know? He'd come over to my house like once or twice a year and be like, hey, nigga, you ready yet or and I was like, no, I'm not ready yet, you know what I mean. So when I became, when I decided, okay, I'm gonna go back to the to the crew because thanks to these three cats right here, they kept the band, you know, yeah, and they kept the band going while I took my hiatus, you know what I mean, until I figured it out and and uh and and I developed this you know who gets the funk attitude? You know what I mean? Like, and that's you know, the same ship that I'm on until today, because that's what I was. I was expecting almost um or you know, ice Cube left in w way so and and then it was just record said to that and you know, back and forth. So I was expecting that, you know, when when you left the group and Din like like you said, like MTV reporting on it, how come you guys never took that round? Because but but then you see the footage of what you said on stage. Had you ever did you ever see that till the documentary what he was saying on stage, you know, he was saying, look, he's not here anymore, but he's still a part of the group. Like it was more supportive words. Yeah, because he's our brother, you know what I mean, that's the way we look at each other. You know, we're not just bandmates. Were more than that, and that I think that's why it's been able to be what it is, because we understand each other. You know, if one of us is having a bad time, we just back up and let it breathe and you know the rest of us continue to tow the line and make it happen. And you know, he got me into this ship, this guy and this guy right here and and you know to give him his flowers and mellow. You know, they got me off the street when I was banging. They were already kind of in the game. They could have pushed on without me and figured it out, but you know, they brought me in. And you know, there's there's only a couple of different paths when you're banging, especially in that time when it was crazy heated, and these guys took a chance on me, right, So you know when Saint Dog left. We weren't mad at him. We we just tried to understand. We were disappointed, but like we carried the line till till he came back, and we all, you know, Muggs would from time to time checking on I would, Bobo would, and in his time he came back and we accepted it, embraced it, and new fuck. You know, we were back at this time. We let him have his time. And I just gotta say that there was no like fucked up treatment from these cats. When I went through my own ship. I mean, like it happens like that, like yeah, weakness an arm or something like that, they kick your ass out. It wasn't that with these guys, you know what I mean. They were just like he saved my life, So I could never disrespect this guy, you know, same as Muggs, same as Mellow. You know, I might have had my problems with Mellow in the past, but you know I always got love for him because that basically saved my life. So we got to be understanding to one another, you know what I mean, especially when we've built it up like at that point. But was it difficult, you know, going on tours without him and um, you know, especially singing his part. I believe he was singing his parts. We did a few toys where I was doing all his parts. Yeah yeah, I mean they split him between and then the ones that they couldn't do I would do send dogs versus and we just you know, sort of split it up. It was, you know, we still brought a show. It's just that you know, we had the missing fucking component and send dogs energy, you know what I mean, and his voice, his tone when you don't have that, it ain't necessarily cyper still, but we gave it to crowds nonetheless and they accepted it. And when he came back, it was just like yeah and and uh so in his time man, and I knew he'd come back. It was it was just he needed time to breathe and reset because we were on a crazy pace, like we didn't see home but from maybe two three weeks at a time, and then we were back on the fucking road. We didn't see our families, friends and and nothing. You know, it's like seven eight months a year like the first five years. No FaceTime, but there was no social shifts. You had to get out there and get face to face with your fans stores, you know what I mean, started radio stations show just try to bring people from the hood. And I used to bring them out like, yo, you come with me, I can see you. Not if it was like fifteen of them, seven of them will go home. You read my mind, because I was about to just say that, right, is that you can? You can. There's something motherfucker's that are built for this and some that have to sort of learn and gradually get into this, and some are not built for it at all. Because we did the same thing. We brought a couple of my homies that I banged with and one of them snapped in for sure, he could live the road life. But the thing is is he got reckless, you know what I mean. The hood started flashing up in different places when he would drink too much, different hoods, and and that's a liability because things could pop off, right. And then there's the other homies that we brought on who was a g you know, one of my g s. And he spent the tour, he spent a full tour with us, but he didn't want to do another one because because because because all he ever knew was the Hood, and he missed so much money in the hood. Yeah, and he or he just missed being around. He missed that ship and he couldn't disconnect from it. Being on the road was cool, but I'd rather be in a comfort zone here because I know this ship and and some get stuck in that mentality, you know what I mean. And Sen wasn't that. It was just that it's we were fun and going so heavy. It just gassed him, you know what I mean. For me, I was like, this is all I got. I'm fucking we're rolling and uh, you know, so it never got I never got tired of it. You know. Sometimes now I might, but um, at that point, I was like, funk, we're on. We gotta keep going. And Mugs was the same way in Bobo, and I believe that Sen was in this way. But it just eventually it gets when you're seeing only two weeks at home and then having to do another eight week tour. Man, that ship bears down on you. Especially there was no face time back then. There was no especially was disconnected from the world, going going, going overseas, where it's really a culture shot because it's a whole and you know, different languages, different there's different things, you know what I mean, Hey, what was what was key? Though? For a second when those next tales came that you could do the Washington that was such. Have you ever slowed down on touring or it's been like this from the beginning. There was a couple of times with a couple COVID Well yeah, COVID definitely that that's been you know, one of the longest stretches that we didn't touch the road, but that was there was stretch. I was playing paintball, you know, competitive, Yeah, and that was totally fucking addicted to that ship and still don't do it anymore, you know on the team. No, not that I mean, I could put it back together, but I just you know, what happened was this Yeah, yeah, like I almost won proy million dollar couples. Let me explain to you. Let me explain to you. There's two styles of paint two different styles of paintball culture. There's the ones where regular folks going they play what's called scenario games. They go into a field and they try to shoot each other out. That's one that's not the one that we were doing. We were doing the one called speedball, where let's just say this is the field. It's cutting half the team, and it's like play like a sport, like you got your you got obstacles over here, obstacles over there. It's a mirror. Seven guys, seven guys. You're trying to get there, and you're shooting guns, you know, paintball guns at each other, trying to like communicate and strategized like chess with guns, you know, how to get these dudes out. I was I needed that because that was my my time off right there, Like you know, SANDC took his time. When I took my time, we all had to take a pause because you know, it's a little bit different, right. So I took that three years, and I didn't realize I was taking that three years. I was just having fun doing that ship because competitive paintball takes you touring two different if you win, but there's very expensive to play. But if you win win, yes, sponsorships, yeah, like you get real sponsorships. We did. We did decent, We were we were pretty good team. But like what happened was this on my last tournament. Um, on my last tournament in San Diego that I played that we played as a team. Um, you know this this dude comes up and we did horribly bad and that that tournament, like we weren't communicating, We're just playing like ship and we got we got cheated. All of this ship was happening. It was just a bad day. And this fan comes up, right, it goes, Yo, be real, man, it's good to see you out here with the people like this man, you know, like fucking down the earth ship and playing paintball ambassadorship. Yeah, man, I can ask you something like yeah and thanks. He goes, when are you going to make a new album? And it back on tour and I was for you, oh right, But this is because he snapped me. Because like after that, you know, I put out three mixed tapes, um, the gun Slinger series. UM. Then we eventually work on Rise Up and we get back on tour, we start touring heavy again. But it was those three years and it was that dude in that tournament who gave me the reality check like I should be working, you know, like enough of shout out to you, bro, because like you snapped me back in and I know, motherfucker's like, what the fund is wrong with him? We got you know what I'm saying, And thank you for understanding that we never even know he's he's playing Papa. You know that's having a different times times. I'm thinking this is the same time, like yeah, because you who we want. We all got ship to do, like we all got fucking about twenty things to do. So whenever welcome miss right. No, he was a little home. He was look on this m on. Not to interrupt, but on the footage of Woodstock. I believe that's his footage, right, alchemist was there was it's my footage. He shot it on my camp on your camera. Yeah, has been there on that long shout alchemists. Alchemist want anybody to go to break Let's take it take back freak. So we're gonna do you want to play the game so quick time with slime. It's gonna give you two names, two groups. You gotta pick one or the other. If you pick both or neither, which is the politically correct answer. We're drinking. Everybody's drinking, though, we're drinking with you. We all drinking. We're all taking a shot. So you pick one what he drinks, you pick both or neither of them. We're all drinking. And then sny you drinking sary right, Yeah, no, he's on a cleanse right now, let's go. I want to ask you out to a question, and he's gonna ask y'all to a question and the same he said it to me. Yes, all right, so cool? You ready? I think so quick? 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Oh all right, okay, yeah, American me or blood in or blood out American American me. Don't look at me, little puppet. I'll scare of that movie, both of them, the other one legit, the legit story. American me to Helm, I'm blood and blood. That's when the white guy they're boating based in the same time. That's ill. That's ill. Okay, the chronic or all eyes on me, the chronic on it, cush or sour. You gotta start answering at the same time. I believe you got you got the beat nuts or souls of Mischief nuts that was in brou Yeah, I mean, I don't want to use alchemists that they didn't go together. No, Beatus is a group more than production. I'm not think of beating us a thing above. No beat Nuts are alchemists. That was the real one. Oh that was the real That was a real one. Too late. The question was yeah, yeah, yeah, what No bro relax um MLP mob deep h m, well pee mom d we're drinking salute the boat. What's I got there? 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You're unto raps because, um, they held it down through those earlier those years of hip hop when we really needed that show and I felt that, um, that whole, that whole thing that they did, and they spotlighted hip hop and then some of the greatest hip hoppers of all time. We're on that show Video music Box because they showed them TV the way, not with you and you next after that. M hmm, I'm gonna change it up though, Um big Boy or the Baker Boys, Big Boy, Big Boy Primo or Pete Rock, Hey Mony love or Yo Yo love is the last one all for ye together. Loyalty or respect And let's let's go one more one. Loyalty or respect, respect, loyalty break it down. If you can take a shot to work. I mean we gotta take the shot either. We all explain it about. Yes, he want some more, Mama wheezy. Loyalty, well, you know, loyalty because one person can't do it all by themselves. You need a team and you gotta be loyal to each other. And with loyalty comes to respect. Without it, there is no respect. And I agree with the brothers thoughts on what he said. But for me, you know, respect is everything. I don't care if you don't even like me, but when you when I come around, you show that respect. I mean yeah, I can see that. Uh. There's different levels of respect. Uh. But loyalty, Uh, you know, if you're your's true, you stay loyal, you know, no matter what h oh man. So if he motherfucker's um loyal to you, he might not even agree with you, but he ain't gonna want to kill you because he's loyal to you, you know what I mean. But I could have respect for you, and I don't like what you're thinking all that ship and I'm gonna kill you, motherfucker because I am loyal to you. That was profile. Now what do you do? What do you? What do you? Guys? Love more making the record but performing the record. It's both. It's you can't have one without the other, especially in hip hop. You know what I'm saying, You gotta love both. I mean some are only good at one. Yeah, I mean the energy is different, you know what I mean. When you make a record and you're in the fucking studio and you're smoking with the homies and then the beast saying and you the song is done, You're like, goddamn. And you listen to that ship and the fucking speakers on high and the ship's banging, You're like yeah. And then when you do a show and you got you know, a hundred thousand motherfucker's right there and you're rocking that ship, you're like, wo. It's just it's it's two different worlds. It's two different energies. You know. I mean it's two different ways of just living as an artist too. It's like it's like better at one and not not better at the other, but something co exist and just keep killing and killing. It's like connecting the piece to a puzzle. Right. If you come to see that song live, you as much as energy, the energy that you put into making that song, performing it is everything because you win people over in that performance. Like if you like your song and you're having fun to it, it becomes infectious if it's a good song, you know what I mean. So like you gotta want to do both. You can't be good at one and not the other. And some of us start good in the studio where ship live. But then if you work on it, you can become better at it. Like for me, I could say, you know, our first years, I was like my energy was you know, but longevity is I'm sorry, longevity is an artist tend to like keep your ecosystem like circulating and keep everything moving. Do your records, do your shows, do your records, do your shows? Do you just keep going and the more shows you do, you get better at it. You know what I'm saying, Because again I was shipped in the beginning, my energy was there, but my control and all that exercise, right, it came with time and doing it, you know what I mean. So you've got to have love for both. You gotta love hitting that stage and performing that song as much as you did created create creating it. But once you already get it on the performance level, it's gotta be so fulfilling though, because something that's subjective in the studio that you think is dope within the studio, bro, and you take it out to the world, and that world gives you that energy back. That's got to be special energy in the studio, you're creating something from nothing, there's nothing there, and you walk into day and you come out with that motherfucker's song, right, like, we just made that ship show. But then the tours fun. But but it's the same ship every night, the same ship. The traveling is the hardest part. The shows are the fun part, right, and you're doing that every that but that's a different energy you get from the crowd. But the same ship is making the records right right, being uh, being part of being a musician. You know, I loved the stage. I love to perform in front of people. You know that jazz motherfucker's since he was five at the Playboy Jazz festical. You know what, but five what I mean, I mean I knew him, I knew about the stage before recording. But the energy and recording and creating something is an incredible you know that energy. But I can't wait to get up on the stage and just like blow it up, kill it and just get that same reception or any kind of reception from you know, that big energy from the crowd. That's that's real fulfilling for me. Yeah, for me, it's a it's a thing that I mean, I love being around the brothers in the studio, smoking joints, hidden the bond and all that ship and recording jams and all that ship. And then um, we get a chance to tour around the world and have people trip out on what the funk we just did you know six months earlier. So it all goes together. You if you if you don't record, you can't tour. So record to tour, you know what I mean. And and that's what it's all about. When when you come down to talking about being a musician and actively you know, uh you know hip hop band that we do our thing. You know, there's not one without the other. You know, you gotta have them both, you got and you gotta figure out that that balance in the process of your band blowing the funk up and becoming big time famous, you know what I mean. And remember that it's all about the recording, and then you gotta go do this fun ship and the fun ship isn't always so fun as it is work. Like Mouk just mentioned, you know what I mean that you also speaking of going on tour, how different was it going on toward lip Biscuit. It was different in the sense of, Okay, well let's start wound, you know, from back in the days, and we were doing just strictly hip hop shows and then we come across this Lollapellusa thing, right, and then everything switched from there. So from LATEO we saw people walking on top of each other, flipping backwards off the stage. And so when when when Bista came around, um and the size of the production and the things they outrageous things they were doing, because Biscuit was always outrageous, you know what I mean. So when we're seeing that ship, I'm like, Okay, we just gotta go up there and just be ourselves no matter what they do, which I give respect to you. You know, we just had to go out and represent, you know, be saying bobo and mugs and be and do what we do because that's what people came to watch us for, not not for not what they're gonna do is what we're gonna do. And we always figured out a way to you know, scratching that you know, marking that motherfucking stage that we were on and even it even that mark on there forever. Yeah, we're always competitive to about it. You know, like we were either gonna steal your slip. Biscuits told us BISU first time, the first time ever. It was like we're gonna give your music. No read the ship she worked hard for fresh and just shut up and sit back. Have to see conflicted about that. But you can't fight technology, and technology is the really ship. There was the horse and then there was the car, and the horse motherfucker's was like wet things driving out which Metallic was fighting in. They were never loses. So you know the record company's record companies were behind on that ship. You know, they didn't fall in the way they could have, and you know put a big debt in the game, but we saw something different. So we went on that tour with Biscuit and uh yeah, you know it was it was fun. I mean like, yeah, their production is crazy, but they scaled it down for that one because it was significantly smaller venues and they were playing at the time, all the shows was free for the fans. Yeah, nobody paid. You just got in line, whoever got in and the door was locked. Not for this crazy, not for nothing. We gave. We gave it a hell of a run though, you know what I mean, those fans were there for it. Like when we went on and we played our set, it was significant impact, you know what I mean, Like they were going crazy, It was explosive. That was what. What was the cool thing about Torn with Limp Biscuit is that you know, their fans and our fans, you know, mixed together well and it made it for a great tour, you know what I mean. Um, they brought it, We brought it, and it was a win win. But you know, at the time, because we were on this Napster tour, you know, it wasn't very popular to be doing that ship. But you know, we're always like, well, seemed like at that time, especially like the industry devil, like this is right, but they kind of saw where the industry was gonna go, even if they didn't really fully know. They were. You gotta skate where the puck's about to go now. And for us, it was like, okay, Limp Biscuits asking us to play support role here you know, some great money, and we're like looking at it like it was all right, Um it was. It was more the fact that we were going to get it out in front of these fans, and like possibly when you guys obviously started, but it seems like you guys always understood the investment. You know what happens Like you might not get to show money that night, but your merch is gonna pop. You're publishing checks that are already crazy. I'm gonna pop because of that ship. You might have lost let a little bit of some for them shows for the intermediate, but for the long run, your's about the forever mailbox money just just there because you you sacrifice a little bit there, you know what I mean. So you've gotta understand, you gotta look at your whole thing system and just like invest your time and energy where it's where it's the best for you to create the energy to get the you know what I mean. And and the other thing was, you know, the competitive nature of it, right, being a hip hop group going with this this band that's very aggressive and holding ours within it, you know what I mean, like we carry it and because that's important to us, like we can we you can put us in any fucking scenario and we're gonna rip ship. We There's been shows that we did where it's like all metal and we're the only hip hop on there. And this is before we started kind of doing the fusion type ship and just still playing hip hop. And we're opening for or playing support for Metallica and a fucking metal metal festival and fucking Germany. There's bio Hazard, there's Fear Factory, there's Deaf Tones, there's Corn There's all these different groups there and we're in there, right and as representative of hip hops were hip hop, we're fucking killing it in the middle of all these fucking metal groups who you know a lot of these cats came to see and and converting them into Cypress Hill fans, and that that's been one of the gifts that we've had, that competitive spirit in us that we're gonna go out there and we're gonna make it hard for whoever is coming on. Like for me, there was all these motherfucker's that they started like they couldn't wrap, so they started getting making rock bands and it was wrapping on rock shit, but they couldn't wrap. So we was like, oh, check this out, which I had to do this ship real quick, you know. Yeah, and it's like we never had to have a big production, you know, all these crazy things on stage and everything like that in the props. We never had to do that, you know, and a lot of point you did. You had, like we had the skull on the backdrop for a long time and we tried to keep it like really like about our energy, right. And then there was the time we would take Buddha out with us and put him in front of the backdrop and holding that big gas leaf and you know, that was probably like the biggest stage figure that we ever had on stage. Next along with the King, we had a King that blew up and he was sitting on the drone with a big gass joint or split for whatever, and those, you know, those were the biggest sort of visuals that we ever had on stage with us, because for us, it was all about our energy. If we can't if we can't move the crowd on our energy alone and and not have all the fucking bells and whistles that you see a lot of groups spend a lot of production money on, then what the funk are we doing. If I can't rock a small if we can't rock a small club or a huge fucking house without all that ship, then what are we doing? And so we've always relied on our energy, and all that other ship is just you know, a visual to like be extra. So you know, we really we we really focused on light shows for a minute because we knew a lot of our fans pop shrooms before our show and would watch the show, so we gave him something to see, you know what I mean. But most of it is, you know, his energy on the turntables. His energy was before electronic music, like it was. We got the inspiration from psychedelic Rocket, you know, I mean from the sixties that that electronic music was weird for us growing up. Motherfucker's just like had high heels and some vaporizers on their nose. Never that ship was weird. We was like that ship is over there. You know what's crazy about the group is I could go to an all hardcore hip hop party the place type bizel. I can go to a soft party their place, sype of sales. I go to an all white party were literally it's only white people there, they're playing type of sales. I gotta go to any like you guys are universal group. Was that something that was calculated or was that something that was done by mistake? We just dead whatever the vibe was, you know, like you know it's it's it's like painting pictures. You know, mugs would make the beats and be like, yo, I hear this on this ship. So I would try to write what that was, and then you know same, you know, as we're constructing this ship is just working towards that goal of painting that fucking picture. Let me ask you how important it wasn't even important too to represent Latinos when you came out, like I always tell Nori when he when ceing n came on the scene, just him flipping those couple of Spanish words. Was it was it like a like a beacon for Latinos out there hip hop? You know? Yeah? Because but the thing is that what I try to explain to people, like, we never Latinos are part of hip hop culture, but you know, the DJs, the graffiti rs, the B boys, everything, we would never as much in the forefront for whatever reasons. And so for groups like you to come out, like did you guys know what you were doing? Like how much like what it could do for Latinos and hip hop? Not right away, you know what I mean? Like we uh, as far as me speaking, and I think that we were just more concentrated on being a solid hip hop band. And and since my brother had already done the Latino thing and and Frost and these these are all guys that we rolled with, you know what I mean, And I kind of felt like we needed to be we need to separate, right But at the same time, um, it was coming. It was showing through, was coming through in the vocals, you know, and you could tell it kind of over, which is what exactly, well exactly and and and when I look back at it, I think it was a very important move to you know, to be on there on that level, because you know, it opened up to not just America or whatever, it opened up to the hope, Well, what's crazy is that, you know, we got signed from an all Spanish song that um Send Dog had done right called No it's called Caliente something like this, right, and you know that's what I got to sign, but obviously wouldn't end up using it. But like you know, they saw the potential in an a Latino hip hop group, which there wasn't at the time, and we happened to be Latino's you know what I mean, And so they thought we're gonna lean on that, and we were like, nah, don't put us in that box. We're gonna sprinkle ship. We're gonna sprinkle our ship like mugs would say. You know, We're gonna just sprinkle little pieces of it because realistically there's no market for that, and we're gonna be was I mean, like you came out like you marketed yourself as Latino and then like, let's make dope music. You don't even need to know what we look like. We're gonna do like this, hence the mystery of the music. Here's the music, you know what I mean, boom, and we sprinkled it with lots of ship because it is a part of who we are, you know what I mean. You know, you don't lean on it like this is my life because because at that time, if you were Latino, you were expected to sound like either Frost or Mellow, and we weren't that, and we weren't going yeah, and we weren't going to allow anyone to box us in like that because we were we were trying to make hip hop music, not Latino hip hop. And in doing that and saying, you know, don't market us this way, market us as a hip hop group, we opened the doors for other Latinos because we showed what Latinos can do just without a fucking label, just being a hip hop group, you know, and that's a label in itself, but it was representing hip hop because you weren't overtly trying to be Latinos, were just being hip hop being Latino. It's a difference. And we never really we never really played to it heavy. It was just sprinkles. It was like the Weed songs. It wasn't like ship like we planned it. You know. It was like whatever mugs gave me, if it spoke to me this way, this is the way I'm going right, So that's that's the way the Latino ship was. All this ship sounds like, and you know, we come from a different part of that. He's nice for a Latino that's used to say things like that, and I'm nice for period, like, oh like he's nice, but he's nice for a Latino, you know what I'm saying, Like they used to say ship like that. I think I think you guys transcended that. And I think with Debt all was puny because my man right there and Joe as well. Yes, but but you know, and saluted Joe man flowers to my man that before I walked down, Joe called me, I forget what you called me about. This was crazy because I was so studying y'all and I was like trying to get him what he was like. And I said, yeah, I'm about the interview type of sales. He said, well, those are the only guys I look up to. Joe is my man. He's we've always been locked in, man. You know, he asked me to get on on a record with him, punning Coogi Rapp and that was like, wow, it was still not a player joint. Yeah, coming up, but you know, it's so salute to my man Joe, and there's much respect. But pun was a different animal. You know what I'm saying in terms of being an m C and a writer and a stylist, Like a lot of motherfucker's are not doing ship unless they hurt his style. And you know, I foxed with pun in that way because he was stylish, like with his flippage, his burbage and just he was rest in peace. Man. He was one. He was one of the best. He don't get enough flower, one of the best. Told me to say something. Do you remember what you were saying, you were gonna say something, you were saying something, Remember, right, you got anything? Then? You know. Um on the Latino thing, I think it kind of also hit when we went to places like South America and they love hip hop, but Cypus Hill gave them something that they can relate to, they can understand and they can they can relate and doing like when we did this the Spanish album, that was like for them. It's like, oh my god, they're really like listening to us. You know that this is for us. And when we do like I want to get High in Spanish, they're singing the hook. I mean he doesn't even have to he doesn't even have to sing the hook. Are you about to cry no, but but they don't, you know, they sing the hook because it's it's like something like wow, you know they got it, you know because a lot of them they're not speaking in English, but they love hip hop. Was crazy seeing that, like, you know, before we even did our Spanish um album or rep whatever you want to call it, to go in in these Spanish speaking countries and them, you know, singing songs all in English. They don't know what the funk or maybe they got some sort of translation on it, but it's a lot of slang, so how do you properly translate that? Right? But to see them singing the songs and you know, for us that album, that Spanish album, right, that was that was our play and saying you know what, we know we got a Latino fan base. We're gonna fucking smash one for him, right yeah, And we didn't really know how, yeah, well it would be received because like the way they send sand Dog and I Flipped in Spanish in Los Angeles, it's a different sort of it's a hybrid, you know what I mean. So like everywhere, like anywhere, it has but it's not matter because everybody's just gonna write it's representative that. So we didn't know that. We were just doing the ship and when it hit in South America and it hit in Spain and it you know, in Central America. Man, we were like, oh ship and then you're like, it's a whole another career that just opened up that wasn't there yesterday like that. Yeah, the fucking birth like and all that, like you and us. You know, I was aout to say you. I was just want to say that because you know, I still always take advantage of that. I did reggae throw and I would be like we would go to like hip hop spots and then I would not the Spanish people when they build it up like I'm taking full advantage. I'm taking I remember one year, Um I had the port of e Read and um it was me, Jada Kiss and somebody else and I broke out. So so I broke out Nina Sky, Daddy, Joe, everybody. And if I get everybody like yeah, I mean I take full advantage. And I remember, you know I did some ship with with Tony Touch. Salute to the many documents. When we made the cup, we did interview for it made the cut. But I've seen people posted props document you understanding. So I've done many collaborations with you know what I mean, that's one of my good friends. You to your motherfucker. And you know, so I did this joint with him and Nina Sky, and you know, he wanted to film a video for it. I'm like, oh, hell yeah, he's all fly to New York, poppy. You know what I'm saying. I got you. So I go out there and we do it and it's for Puerto Rican Day parade, and yeah, it was wild. We don't have that ship in l A. So like it was just another experience. It's like when it's not that it's not the same thing, the same thing, and you know, mugs would give me experiences and ship like this. But like Tony asked me to come out to do the video for for that ship, and you know it was fucking amazing. And then Fat Joe comes through on his float. He got the flies in the Puerto Rican they parade. It was like nothing, man, you know, Like that's that's the cool thing about New York, man, is it has like party out. You've got cultures, got man cultures s. Every culture is thick and celebrated You know what's funny about the parade. My father used to make me ride the train and I used to sit on this cooler and he's made don't get up to cooler, and then I would sit on the cooler and then we will make it to the actual We gotta get there only to get a spot. So you gotta get there like around seven seven some thirty eight. So I've opened up the cooler and my father will have me selling beers. I swear to God, seven years old, nothing wrong with this selling beers and man had at the point of raided seven years how much right having practs because back then you should get a bear for a ball, you know what I mean. It's like if you're going to a basketball game, that beer for like twelve bucks. Yeah, it might be five at this point. Yeah, she is crazy 'all here. So what made you I want to do this documentary? I think the history of it all is important, you know what I mean, because we were the the kids we were. We were the kids that everybody had caught it out, you know what I mean, no point of view. Wee know I'm talking about from the original reception. But he was off, you know, doing some hardcore game bang and stuff. I was working warehouses, hadn't met Bobo yet. Muggs was always the driven one trying to you know, you know, go get him. You know, we need him freezing. He was already us before that group and and you know so that but that group was the entry into the game, you know what I mean. And because we were already boys before then, you know, Julio g salute to him, you know what I mean. And you know, we were like minded individuals, all of us. The type of ship we listened to aside from hip hop before hip hop and hip hop, you know that this is like something we all had in common. And uh, you know that's how we met Muggs was was through Julio and ship like that. So for a second, like, um, like how did you how did you hook up with Julio? Uh? I was you're bigger Julio. I had a homeboy in Bell Gardens that had a cousin and knew Julio and I was d Jane, but he wasn't was about some freestyle ship and it was all Latino. You know, all the neighbors was lat you know what we was sped at the party and that was the hip hop he played. So I was I was on some hip hop and he was like, Yo, my my cousin's homing. He's on some hip hop ship. So I went to this club. It was a Capri, right, yeah, this club called a Capri right there, but right right right where they lived and ship. So I went over there, met Julio and then kicked with Julio for about a year d Jane and then one day he was like, you want to bring these dudes over. We need to make a cassette cool And I was like, pull up, and then he came, your brother came. How did y'all go with Julio that? Well, Julio was you know, he went to south Gate High with yeah, with with Sin Dog's brother and and so we knew Julio through and he was, you know, in the B boys circles over there. Man, he was nice on the floor, but so was Bugs Mugs a beast on the motherfucking for my different story, but you know, we knew Julio through through uh through Mellow, you know, and they were both into the hip hop ship, you know, be boying and all that stuff before we got into rapid. You know what I mean, and so that's how we knew Julio, and Julio eventually transitioned out of the B Boys shipped into the turntables, you know what I mean. And and um, you know that's when these two guys met, when they both transitioned transitioned out of the B Boys shipped into you know, getting on the turntables and doing ship. And so we knew Julio for a while, you know what I mean. Um, we saw him go from you know, doing doing breakdown shipped into going to turntables and eventually going to k which was the hip hop station in l A at the time. And it's like, you know how there is a certain clubs and the certain parties in that neighborhood, right and we're all going to those clubs and parties and you see my fucker's like going through their stages and ship and and you know, so Julio, we saw him go through all that, and uh, you know when we were just sort of doing this ship at as a hobby, he you know, them them too met and were fully felt like this time we didn't know, we didn't know who who he was too young, he was he was that was this was like in what eighties seven six, I was sixteen years old. We was kicking in the eighty six and our first record came out of and so we was kicking it. Yeah. They actually went to high school together, right, so so we were always aware of his of him in the area. Right. So when we first started, you know, doing the rap thing, the only other guy in Salgate High School that DJ was Julio G. Yeah, And Julio was Mellow's DJ. And when he got on with Mentetosa and all that, like for his most Mellows run, it was Julio GA. Yeah and yeah as his DJ. And and Tony G was you know, his his like the guy that that Julio was like apprentice to you know what I mean, Like Tony was like the master at the fucking time. We all looked up to Tony G. And you know, Julio G came from Tony, you know what I'm saying. So and we you know, we went that far back with Julio, you know, And that's why he even spent time on tour with us like DJ. And you know what I'm saying, Um, So salute to Julio G. If it wasn't for Julio. We don't meet mugs and there's no fucking Cyprus. Yeah, there's there's that connection that all of a sudden happened one year and yeah, and Julio was from Linwood. It was from South Catia. We was kicking it and then one day we had a homeboy named Eli. He was like, yeah, I met these two dudes from New York called Breton Seawn from seven eight three. It was these two kids from East New York from Linden Projects in East New York. And it was signed with Iced Tea. And then I got down with them and it was signed Nice Tea. And then we were throwing the party in East l A. And they came and he was like, Hey, you want to do a show with us. We're throwing a party in East and they came and then um, eventually I got with them, put out a record with them on Colors, the Color Sounds track. Yeah, and then um we went out and put out the album and Ship and you know, and those are some of the homies too. He was down with Raps the Kid at one point, right Syndicate, Iced Tea rom Syndicate, Um that group seven eight three was down with Ron syndicate, so um we we we was down with Iced Tea. He was like a little older homie, you know what I mean, putting us up on game talking ship, letting us know us up. He's like, you want to be in this rap game, y'all want to hang out and like flex in front of these bitches and ship, you know what I mean. Yeah, y'all, motherfucker's don't even put in the motherfucking work, you know I mean, putting the motherfucking work HOMEI you gotta show up to the ship eight hours a day, like a fucking job if you think you want to get money. And like eighties seven and I was, I was a little kid, like, hey man, we gotta put in this fucking work. You know. If we're gonna get this ship, this ain't like a little a little hobby or something. If we're gonna do this ship, we're gonna do it right. We need to put the working like it's a nine to five, you know what I mean. And then he was always closest to the sources, so we'd absorbed from him, no, because he'd be with like Ice and them, you know what I mean. Absorbed. The music industry was small back then, you know, there was nothing. There was like there was no access to a record label. You had to know homie either knew a homie or I knew you that knew somebody at the label. But that was it. There wasn't there wasn't a shortcut to the label. And I got a big up Brett b you know what I'm saying, because he actually taught me how to write a song. I went, you know, I was writing raps before and I was pretty good at writing, but like I didn't know shit about writing songs and he knew that, you know, back then and rapped. There wasn't hooks yet was rapping, so it was like hooks like bridges making songs, making records like another another music genres they were doing that, you know, but in hip hop it wasn't so prevalent, right, So you know the one thing about Brett is he showed me how to break those pieces down, you know what I mean, because like I didn't know how to write a song up until you know, we I think it was I think maybe hand on the pump like was like the key in where I was like, oh I get it now, you know what I mean? In our demos in our in all our demos, like, and we did a lot their ship that you know, people would trip out on because we don't even sound like us at that point. But you know, at a point where we snapped in right hand on the Pump was one of the songs where Brett like we co wrote that song. He took lead, but I co wrote it, and that sort of gave me the oh, this is how you write a structure, right, And so I started instructuring, structuring all my writing after this. And man, if it wasn't for that experience with fucking Brett, I would have never never learned how to write a song. So salute to you, Brett. What I'm saying, So you guys marketed yourself as like the rap chech Chong, right, I don't know if I pronounced, But how dope was it for them to embrace y'all like because you have seen him on the dog like at the being that had joke. It wasn't like, you know, your friends broke into their house kids growing up, you know, teaching chunk movies or everything for us kids in the south Gate, and I wanted to be like them, led to all this ship here. So it's kind of very I received it very well, and I was very grateful, you know. You know, for me, it wasn't more like not necessarily being like them, because we're not like them, you know what I mean. But but but it was representing the way they did unapologetically rebellious style and they didn't really care what people thought, you know what I'm saying. So we said we're going to be that because this is who it is who we are. And you know, they were definitely an inspiration because we all grew up to their movies. We was like on the corner drinking, smoking, doing whatever right there, you know what I mean. And he was like, let's just go on the studio and do the same ship, start making records. It was like all the money is better, right. And meeting Teach and Chong. I mean, I think that's the part, because you know, people could have been like, well, these kids are kind of like kind of trying to be like us up, but they didn't do that. They actually embraced Yeah, that's what's dope about. They were actually on two of our albums. They did um intro pieces or like you know, transition pieces or you know, sketches or whatever, and Like I remember the first time we did some ship with them, I couldn't keep it together. I was laughing the whole time and I blew the session because Chong was hilariously funny. You know what I'm saying. Um, I know that's redundant, but he was. Um. But having them say, yes, right, what We've been praising them the whole time and you know, sort of referencing them in lines, and then like you know, Red and everybody else did after that, Um, you know, it was everything to have them come and do sketches for us and be funny for us, and then develop a relationship with them because I didn't eating greets with Chong and you know, sat with both of them and in different places that we've all done that with them, and they really embraced us, you know what I mean. So, you know, to have like guys that influenced us be like that, you know, funk man. I mean, there's there's no words that can really describe that. It's sort of like Chuck d I mean, we grew up fucking with Public Enemy like it was one of our biggest influences. And to be able to work with them and embrace it, Yes, it's it's surreal. But with Cheach and Chong, I mean they they were one of the biggest influences in terms of the cannabis representations. So for them to embrace us and say, yeah, these motherfucker's are the guys, we funk with them. Everybody else that was in that industry funked with us at them. You know, at that point, did you ever have a smoke off with them that needs to happen? Maybe back in their younger days they smoked a lot, but like I think one of them a smoke them one of them, yeah, well they they they sort of sort of smoke, but it could out smoke be real coome man, who's gonna smoke your body? Fucking with me and got my money on any of the house. You know, all the guys that we know as the big smoke or smoke a lot, right, either they smoke a lot of joints, or they smoke a lot of blunts, or might one might do a lot of dab hits or this or that, right, I do it all so like you know in the realm of of of of the homies where we all smoke heavy. I mean, we can all smoke flour together like you know, and Hank, you know, as many joints as I could smoke, Burner and Snoop could smoke as many smoked as a currency. All the guys, right, they're all pros. They would just be one big smoke session. But the guys who could do everything, that's that's that's Whizzing myself. You know, I'm saying we do it all like. So, if it's edibles, we funk with that. If it's if it's the dabs, we do that. If it's the flowers smoking, we do all that. So really, you know, Whiz is like a fucking monster, like I am, I don't do all of that. The other day on dream chance that was true, we used to doom stage, but that was shool like row shooms, that was chocolate all that I like. But this crew right here, we used to do shrooms on stage. We pop like maybe an eighth of shrooms. And yeah, the documentary we got offended by that. Oh yeah, we were doing we were doing this place, and we were doing this place called Casamino Real, right and and it's a it's a spot that was legend area and early hip hop in Los Angeles. A lot bangers and everything, right, and I remember we got this purple unicorn acid. Remember that ship, your purple and unicorn. Yes, somebody got it at a Grateful Day. Somebody got it at a Grateful Dead concert doors and we fucking popped it. Do you remember that? No, I don't definitely popped the ship with me. We were like, oh no, no, you weren't there. Maybe I was the only one that popped. And I swear to God, dog, I popped the ship, and and uh, you know, like we're doing the show and everything got crazy, like in the middle of the show, like I'm walking on stage and I'm feeling like I'm walking in quicksand right, that's one. And then you know, this is at the time where the new style of lighting is coming on, with those fucking beams that switched lers there like a stream. Yeah, And I'm like in the middle of the show and I start peeking and I catch eye with that fucking beam and I'm just looking up at the light, doing my verse, like totally concentrating on the light show that's happening above me. And I don't know what these guys were doing in the middle of that, but I was just totally fucking snapped into that fucking light show. And that was the type of ship there would happen when we were sucking doing psychedelics on stage, because most of the mushrooms cost well, we would but most a lot of other times we were doing mushrooms. I took a mess tab one night and I was on a sea saw, but I was about myself and not You just take an ounce of mushrooms and put them in a coffee grinder and grind them up to dust and then put them in some honey. That part a little take little spoon. Is that much musom and you could take that honey? Did muroom teath all? That's easy stort of doing the much room mushroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that gets you quick and it likes you already and it just like turns you well. If you take too much, it's not like it's not too high. We never did Michael does back of those those days. It was all your overdog. Yeah. The other one time I did it was no micro dos back. Everything was overdose. I did some mushroom tea. We were doing Smoking Gurus uh tour and uh it was in Colorado and some homies came, you know, and they brought some mushroom tea and everything they said, they said, only take a little bit. I did, like the whole damn cut a lot of he did a lot of whatever anybody tell y'all to do, right, Yeah, and uh, within minutes, I was, I was done. I was sniquing all over. Man. I only knew this fool's phone number, I mean on the hotel phone, you know room. And the first thing I says, I can't think it was like some horrible ship. I'm like bobo and he's like help me. Yeah he was. Yeah, And I don't remember that show. But I somehow made it to the stage and I couldn't play. For the first time in my life, I could not play. I somehow got up on the stage and I was playing some crazy rhythms to the multiverse, playing some other rhythms that he did not understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it might be. It's like cutting me off the stage and put me in the bunk, Like, yo, get this fool off the stage, you know. So yeah, no, no, no for him puts your favor place to perform at. That's tough because everywhere, you know, we get a pretty goddamn good reception. New York has always been crazy with our annual you know showdown there. Nuts. But I would say in the last like big shows that we did, like Festival Style France, France, then motherfucker's went off for some cypress hillship right. They get live when it's them properly, um, you know, and it goes off correctly, you know, Los Angeles, California. I always liked it from my own backyard and flex my style south Gate Nigga south Gate like in recent years chaotic. They don't want us down there, you mean, doesn't want us down there, Not not because they hate us, you know, Um, it's because it would it would probably be chaotic. And I don't know if they're ready for that, you know, done properly. But what better example than you guys for the kids in the youth and south. I'm just waiting for them to call him for the Christmas Day float where he goes down the street in a whip and stuff. You know what I'm saying. Did you guys ever feel at any point that you weren't doing like you weren't a part of hip hop anymore? Because this is one thing that I think about That's ill about Cypress Hill is that regardless of how many, like if you went into the rock realm or whatever, it felt like you guys always kept it hip hop, hip hop, no matter where you guys ventured off into whatever, fest of those whatever brown and and it shows with also the people you collaborated with, like as you kept moving forward the Cypress I mean, the wood Tangs, the Fooji Joint, which mind you, the foodie joined in the whole of the realm. There's a whole other conversation because of the Haitian Cuban thing, which in Miami it was a big deal for us, you know. But it feels like you've always kept it hip hop, regardless of where you guys ventured off into. That's our roots, you know. Um, I think others thought we were venturing away and trying to do something different, but we were just being you know, creative and experimental. You know, the the hybrid ship with the rock stuff that happened on Skull and Bones. I mean, you know, we had done a lot of a lot of rap songs, a lot of hip hop songs, you know what I mean. I think we were wet at thirty Deep or some ship right album thing? Yeah, is that that's what you're talking to? It was like yeah, and it was because we were ahead of schedule and we had so many fucking hip hop songs and Send Dog was sort of into that that that scene. At that point, Mugs said, we're gonna do some different ship right here and at this sort of field. So, you know, like we always do, we threw caution to the fucking wind and just started started started experimenting with the ship. And you know, because we knew we had a base of fans that fucked with that, you know what I mean. They weren't necessarily hip hop fans, because all through our ship we'd go on tour and motherfucker's would come up, Hey I don't necessarily listen to hip hop, but I funk with you guys, right, And so you know, we knew we had fans out there like that. So you know, we said, well, let's take a chance Send Dog like this sort of direction. Fuck it, we're gonna go. And that sort of became the thing for a second, and we even you know, to to to double stack on that. You know, we brought a band out on on tour with us. You know, we created our band and you know, put them back there and played some of the songs that we created four Skull and Bones that were like, you know, the hybrid ship, and people accepted it there. I mean, people going nuts for that ship. I mean like the Beastie boys would flip between instruments and go into the ship and it's like ten years of rocking ship and rocking shows. It's like, Okay, we want some new ship to do live and they keep doing what we do, but then the show is gonna flip with the band, you know what I mean. So it kept it kept live fun, right, right. You guys all live in the same apartment at one point, well, you know, Muggs lived in these apartments songs on Kingsley in Hollywood, and most of the fucking uh, what's the fucking syndicate, we're up in this apartment building, right, and so that's where we would always be at Muggs spot because he wants this complex to with Grand like everybody, yeah, Grand. It was like eight hundred dollars for like a two bedroom. A lot of the guys that a lot of them are the guys that were a lot of guys that were in rhyme syndicate. They lived in this particular apartment which, ever last was a part of Rhyme Syndicate as well. He didn't necessarily live there. He lived in the valley at this point. But you know, guys like Mugs and Aladdin lived together in this building. Um from Low Profile, so we knew, we knew dub C before you know, No Aladdin, he was from a group called Low Profile with WCT. He'd be with w C and Coolioh and Aladdin and then department partment would be no furniture. There was like milk crates. The TV was on the milk crate. Crazy, it was. It was crazy. All the motherfucker's that that he would bring records back to us to listen to. You know, like the old school crews. They some of them were living in this fucking department complex. Like yes, like casts like Prince Whipple Whipping fucking you know, guys like that and Um, they were all in the apartment building and you know, we were fucking just all like a little community right there. We're taking game from like the likes of Cast because that's ill that had someone like us. Well he was around you know what I'm saying. But like you know, it was just the folks we were around, like some of the guys that like, we was listening to their ship and just to see that around here, Just see that around you know, because a lot of those dudes from the East Coast at that time, the old school cats moved over here to get down with Iced Tea because he was creating the Rhyme Syndicate and he was embracing a lot of those old school cats and yeah, and uh, you know a lot of them embraced us. They embraced mugs first, then eventually myself and San Dog and you know, so to them, motherfucker's man. You know. Um, I was like they were the first real clique in Los Angeles, right, yeah, it's like eight you know, I like, yeah, Rhyme Syndicate. They were like the real first click See that's the homie. Yeah, yeah, that's the godfather. We have Whack on here. And Whack said that I t is originally from New Jersey. He might have been born there yet, but like you know'tah no, no, no, no, that's a fact. You know, he was born there, much like Bobo was born in fucking Hollis. You know what I'm saying. But you know, where you're raised, that's a different I'm raised in Miami. That's kind of where you're from, you know, that's where you're at now. A ninety to the Billboard Awards, I believe you guys one award and then you said legalize it? Yeah, year, is this right now? Thousands and two? Sir? Yes, sir, it's still not officially, yeah, but um, we made some fucking gains, you know what I mean. There's thirty seven states that have legal is it legal cannabis or medicinal cannabis, and that's a big step for use. Yes, decriminalizing on a lot of levels. Yeah, and it's decriminalized in a lot of these places. Um. Yeah, you know, we're still working towards federal and it's you know, maybe within the next five ten years, but it's going in that direction. And you know, if you ask us does that happen, Like if you ask us, does this happen, you know, we might say, yeah, we're working towards that. We you know, you don't know the fucking future, but we know what we're working towards, you know what I'm saying. We know the possibilities. We were looking at places like what you know how Amsterdam was going down and we're like that, well that's possible for us here. I'm sorry to cut you off for a second, but let me let you know how bad that we laws used to be. I one time I was sitting on my block pot last drivers by on the other side of the street. I'm smoking. He makes the U turn. As he's starting to make the U turn, I throw the bud. There's no way he can find it. And he arrested me for seeing me smoke. He never found the joint. I just saw. You just saw me and smelting. I had nothing on me. I went through the system in New York and if it meedily woking down there now, just smoking, I'm like, I don't I know. They were supposed to do that here right in Florida? Do what drop like charges when they mean here? I don't know. I think they probably didn't yet. I don't think they're gonna do that yet. They need to go past medicinal for that to happen. You know, a nationally, the people can work toward that ship because really that's where it comes from. It doesn't come from sucking them because they got votes to fucking worry about and like, if someone's too progressive, you might not get those fucking votes that you traditionally need, right, So it's it's up to the people to go make this a thing. Like like always, the real change happens from the people. That's a good thing about I think, And I don't even smoke, but I think that's a good thing about cannabis is that I think it crosses all those party lines. Yeah, and it can change. The laws could change because of that. You know what I'm saying. Easily Green Thumb all of your things. It's me and you got your own strand too. Are you're thinking about doing something like that. I've done things here and there, and you know what I mean, But I have a brand whatever, But it's not a I feel like you come out with your own mushrooms. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Shrooms aren't illegal? Ares I legal? And Colorado for show they are? Yeah, so you need to come out with your own the last time. I haven't done any central Yeah. Yeah, No, he has the B has the Doctor Greenham stores and and I have the thing called hill House. Yeah, that's about it. As as far as flower, what is that? Yeah, pretty much yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. I mean it's not like the he had the Dr Greenham thing is like a how many stories do you have? Six? Um, you know the actual Dr Green Thumb stores, dispensaries, dispenses in California. You know. The thing is, we definitely want to do that with Cypress Hill. You know, it's always just very picky about what we do because you know, we don't ever want to rush to do it wrong and stuff like that. So you know, there's been an opportunit it is for us to do ship, but like for us, it's always like if it's going to be the right thing, not the right look, the right thing. And so you know, one of the one of the goals is to eventually open up some stores under Cypress Hill as well as you know, my Green Thumb stores that exist and stuff like that, because realistically, Cypress Hill is the root of all of it. If there's no Cypress Hill, there's no Green Thumb, you know what I mean. So, um, we it's it's something we definitely want to do in the future. And ship, so you know that's on the agenda. Well, you know, Bern is my boy. You know, we've done albums together, we've done four projects together, so we we sort of push each other's brand and stuff like that. He's got cookies, I got green thumb and and uh, you know, we celebrate each other, you know what I mean. And we do this music together for the cannabis culture and for music, you know what I'm saying. But UMS has been it's being great working with the man. The sessions are like, you know, just a great vibe, you know what I mean. And smokey as fuck. I mean, we smoked that studio the funk out like he burns the way I burned, you know what I mean. Like we both smoke up. We'll match each other for joint for joint. But it's about the work. It's not about to smoke. That ship is you know, just a part of the vibe. It's about to work. Like we get in there and we do we do work. And and uh we got another one, Um in the Chamber that Scott Storch produced that we're about to you know, pop off later on UM and fully produced by Scott Storch. In the past, you know, we used other producers, but for this one, you know, I sort of wanted to do what we do with with Cypress and you know, lock in with one producer and make a sound and Scott definitely did that. So you know when people hear it, they'll you know, they'll feel it. So you know Burn and I you know, that's my boy. So salute the big birth pig up Berna. So sad. What's what's what's your what's your face? What's your part of the game? And you can't live without like the part of what part of the game that you can't live without? Like like even when you left the group, Like, what was the part that you was missing? The stage? Man, I was gonna say that for some reason. And it all came down to one day I was I saw them perform on a MTV or something. They were like in Canada, and uh, I was watching the whole ship at home and from like when when I saw that, I could almost smell the concert. Yeah, that actually went down. Yeah, And that's when I knew, like I had to have it back in my life, you know what I mean, Like that had to be part of me. And I always knew that. I kind of felt like I always knew that, um, but there's just that one time when it slaps you in the face that you should be out there. And then I think, like a couple of days later, Mugs called me up and I'm like, hey, Mugs, what's up. Man? He's like where you hat like he was, he said, I'm on tour where you should be? And that was like another thing, like okay, And then we went we went around to fixing that whole thing, and and I got back into it and everything, and you know, it was it was on from there. But I mean, sometimes you gotta go through that bullshit to figure out what you had to, you know, together, it all back motherfucking years, you know what I mean, She's gonna go through you know, it's like a real organic family going through life, you know what I mean. And right here, you know, and then being in front of those type of crowds that we were in front of, I mean, that's fucking addicting because it's a lot of control that you're fucking fingertips right there. You're making the crowd move through your music and you see the impact happening. That's hard to let go of. That's why rappers never retire, especially they got when they got a good run popping off. You know what I'm saying, You don't want to let that go because you know the control you have there and it's great seeing it. There's no high or no feeling like that crowd. Yeah, we do this thing right um at the end of our show where we we we pay um tribute and celebration to our homies, you know House of Pain with doing jump Around at the end, it's show like, it's not our song, but fuck it, you know it's in the family. It's soul Assassins. He produced the record, right jump Around, Yeah, and you know, so it's all in the family. So we you know, what we do at the end is we save that for the fucking very end and we make everybody get down to the ground like in a squat position, right, and then we pop it off. The horns come on and then it goes and you see everybody explode, and that's you know, there's no feeling then like I and I felt what House of Pain felt when that fucking song popped off. Everywhere you hear it at every sporting event. It's the pop off at any given time. You could cover it at the end of your show, and motherfucker'sould that be the highlight of the show because guess what that's my man right here and never last created one of the greatest pop off songs of all time. I put that ship against anything because I've seen the results of it and they could co sign on this. I've done this ship on my solo ship with Profits of Rage and with Cyprus. There is no bigger song to pop off on, right. So we get everybody and think about you're seeing seventy thousand to a hundred thousand to a hundred and fifty thousand people all squatted down, and when that ship pops off, boom, explosion, overpowering. You know what I'm saying, it's it's the craziest feeling. There's no high that you could get better than that. It's crazy. Salute to you while because you hold on real quick, though, I just want to say, like and not real quick, real long. Actually, um, the production, the sound that that you brought Mugs to, to Cypress and to everything you touched soul assassins abroad, it changed so much in the game. I don't think it's acknowledged as much as it should be. And I'm saying you're you're one of the top tier hip hop producers of all time, and I think it's it's amazing what you guys have done. Man, what you've done. I appreciate that. Right is ready for it. Let me cheers. Um. If you could say something to your younger self, what would it be, ship that's a good one man fun Uh, I would say, you know, believe in yourself and believe in your friends. That's fine. I said, that's fine. Wow. Um, you know, don't be afraid of dream you know, the dreams can come true. I remember being a little kid and and making, uh like these these toys I had, and these musicians and I put on my army man out like theyre with the audience, and I disimagine like a big, a big, you know, field of people, and when what stock happened? I said, that was? That was it? So, you know, believe yourself, believe in your dreams. I was. I would have thought had been it would have should have been. Don't drink that much room tea. Don't drink to your younger self. You got to meet your younger self. Well, just just be patient, man, and just be patient, you know what I mean? And and just stay focused and stay calm, and don't get emotionally attached to any of this ship, and just stay calm and stay patient. Everything will figure it yourself out. That's why I want you. I wouldn't. I would say to myself, what what sin Dog's mom said to me, Let's have faith, don't hope, have faith and what we're doing, and in yourself and work towards it. So you know, it would have been redundant. But that's what you know his mother told me. I would have told myself that ship, that's weird, space watch that now coded the beat Nuts record the um But I noticed a cliche type type of question, but did you ever take that hip hop? Make it this far? I always need for sure, just the moment I heard it, this was the next wave of rock and roll? What are we gonna call it? And because like them, like I was a scared I wasn't the punk rock. I was into counterculture music, like the scene you had a mohawk. No, I definitely didn't have a mohawk. And so when hip hop came on, that actually spoke more to me. And it was counterculture as well, so that I felt right in line with that. And you said you knew it was going to be big from the beginning. Yeah, from the beginning, from the time I heard Blondie doing Raptured and all that ship, I knew this was the next big thing I was going to take over. There was music, but there was no hip hop. And then all of a sudden there was a music called hip hop. And you're like, oh, ship, what's that? And you're watching the ship and you're like eight eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen, You're like, oh, that's that ship right there right. Well, not everybody like this is the thing. We all didn't know it was hip hop. We were listening to rap music. Were just yeah. And there was a point where I realized, holy sh it, this is hip hop culture. Like it was dawned on me that someone another person, Yo, this is what it is. You already breakdancing, You're already writing graffiti. Do you want? There's a culture? And that ship is what blew my mind about it. Yeah, I didn't know where it was going to go. I just wanted to be part of it. You know that. That's the passion was there from the minute I heard it, because I mean, you know, I was listening to a lot of different ships before I knew hip what hip hop was, you know what I mean? And the minute I heard run DMC, I was like, oh that ship right there? Um, and then rock Box from run DMC most most definitely that ship kind of flipped me right there. I was like, right now, let's talk about Rap Superstar. Yes, you were you remember the day he recorded that ship? Absolutely knockout man, I saw the video. But what if you're just saying something, UM, very proud to be about it that record. I did definitely need my plaque. Come on, yeah, UM listen to that today, you know, UM, driving here, going through the phoography after um uh watching the documentary, just just soaking up all the game. And then I'm listening to the lyrics of Rap Superstar and I'm like, whoa, this is is relevant? Right? Yeah? Like this ship is not an old record? Like how the funk did you all think of that ship? Like you know it's living in right, you know, and what people's expectations and perceptions are outside of it, right, you know, they think it's all gravy once you get a deal and and you know you're rich and famous off the top, but they don't know the road to that if you should be lucky enough to get it. And that was like you know, us being in the game and and absorbing all the positive and negative energy from it and us just being like, boom, this is what it is, you know what I'm saying, And to be this, these are the sacrifices that we make, you know what I'm saying. And it was a very real fucking song. You know. I think, um and and and salute to my man mugs on this because like the way that I look at that that song is like it's it's like our cash mirror. Like if you're if you're a rock fan, led Zeppelin's cash Mirror is a big fucking song for led Zeppelin. It's like, you know, it's just so fucking different. Um. And that was our cash Mirror as Cypress Hill Rock Superstar, because it was very much well we were living at the time, and just the fucking musical backdrop that he gave me to tell that story because I had that idea in my head for like a number of years, you know, because we had been soaking up what this game really is and all all the ship and you know, people's false perception of what it is to be in this in this business or rap star or rock star or whatever. And I held that idea for a long time until he came up with that beat that became the fucking song, and I was like, this is it right here? And uh, you know, I did not know it would resonate the way that it did. I thought it would just be a great album song. It was a great idea, but I didn't know it would be one of our like so called comeback joints, you know what I'm saying. So um, yeah, that that that song was was was huge. But I was telling people what the game is for us. It's still it's still the same game. Like I said, I was listening to it today and listen to it the other day. I was like, damn and she was so relevant still now, like like, um, it is amazing. Um and Eminem part of it is. Yeah. Eminem was on it. Um ever last was on one. Chino Moreno from the Deaf Tones was on the rock version. Uh yeah, you know, y'all blessed us, man, And you know, it was always like these are our brothers for you know, because y'all saw what the ship was and um, you know that meant everything to us to have you wanted to have m on it, you know, and because everybody wanted him at that point, right with eminem Yeah two um, and you know to have ever last two is our family and and Chino who you know the Deaf Tones. You know, we all loved the Deaf Tones and ship like that. So to have to have those four guys with us, you know that that was everything. So salute to them. It's because they gave their background on what the game soaked up from them, and that was that was that was tight because that's what that song was about. Well, it's interesting to hear you say comeback record because you know us, as fans of us, as you know, people that observers, we never felt like you guys ever left anywhere, So why would you Yeah, so why would you say come back? Because the mentality is, you know, when you're on a major label, that's what it is, the major label mental, the big Yes, they're always weighing your last ship against the ship. You do it right now, and you can do it. Let's go. And at the time, you know, like it had been a minute since we had dropped one, and you know, this is our fifth outing and our fourth outing was okay, but it wasn't like one, two and three, you know, so they thought we were fucking done kind of, but they still you know, like Donnie Einer, salute to my man. He was the chief up there. He had faith in us, and he had faith in mugs, and you know, every now and then he would suggest ship that was helpful and he would push our line, and he had that belief in us in this particular instant because you know, we did all this dope hip hop ship and then we did this hybrid ship, which was cool because it we were doing something no one else was doing at the time, right and he saw it, and you know, some of his suggestions helped push that particular album and showing like that we never left, you know what I'm saying, because our mentality was we never left. What the funk are y'all talking about it? But you know, we were always the underdogs, you know what I'm saying. Like they you know, like when Motherfucker's talked about us, it was like, well, I don't know, because you know, we were representing cannabis and it was just slightly different and uh, you know, we were out to prove everybody fucking wrong. Make some noise for that guy. I've never felt out of love with the game. Oh yeah, you know, there was a few years where I got just started hand of them my other businesses, you know what I mean, whatever they are just doing that ship and having like a passion for other things at the time. But the game was right there. But like the levels of the energy that I want to give to the game, you know what I mean, versus what I'm gonna get out like those have switched up throughout the years. It's it's the business that it's the business side, you know what I mean. For the creativity side and kicking with the homies and making music and having a good time that she was always fun, but that other ship after a while, you know, sometimes you just want to leave that ship, just get that part of the world out of your life, right because we are like Pete Rock just say that he did an album twenty two years ago and still haven't got paid on certain things. It's just something that you experienced as as a producer. No, I haven't had that that that problem, but you know, just other other things, you know what I mean. It's just I think it becomes like when you're young, you're trying to figure out the balance of your success and your family and like and everything trying to figure figure all the balance of everything, you know, make everything work, feed everything, give us some sunshine, some love, you know what I mean. We water it and um you figure it out and you're like, all right, cool. But through thirty years, you know you're gonna have a few years here and there. You I'm gonna get into I'm a paintball for three years. You know, I'm gonna stay in the studio for five years and I go tour with it right right, That's where the life, you know what I mean, Like we know on each other so long. We just everybody flowing through, go through like life since fucking changes, you know, I mean, figure that ship out and ship so still right here, how about you for a love of the game board? Igua? Um? I did four minute uh. When my father passed, you know, it was a big It was a big blow. And I had a lot of you know, pressure because of what my father had accomplished and trying to keep that legacy going on and almost having a little bit of self doubt if I can I can do this and continue on and how am I gonna make my own way? So I had to go. I took a break I went to school, Um studied there, and but something was always calling me back. And when I did leave school, my mom said, well, you're leaving school. You gotta you got a year. You got a year to get your ship together or as you're gonna have to go back to school. And within that year, my whole life changed. In music, you know, got me back in That's when I started out with the BC Boys. I met I met the guys here, and you know, I knew that, you know, this was what I was supposed to be doing, you know, but it's very easy to get you know, uh, a little nervous about you know, the future, when you're unsure about you know, where you gotta go in your life, and sometimes you do have to take a break and reevaluate and reset, you know. But I'm glad that I didn't stop. We're glad you didn't stop me the brother besides, you know, you you know, leaving the group if it hasn't been the time prior to that where you felt like fun, this business, this game. Don never prior to that or never never at all during except during that point when I you know, the source was talking about us and you know, t yeah, trying to clown us and in their articles and this and that. I don't know if you remember that Ship were talking to Ship, you know, and I kind of just felt like, is this what I worked, you know, all my my ass off for so this motherfucker could talked about us or whatever. And I kind of just like a run. That same time, I kind of like turned off from you know, the business of hip hop and looked to somewhere else to get that freedom and creativity out. And uh, I definitely felt that that that part of me that wasn't in love with hip hop at that point. But luckily I was able to find it again, you know what I mean, and and and and attached myself to it again and come strong with it. And I mean, it's it's nothing that once you love something like, you know, hip hop, and you just can't just turn your back on it. And even if you do, forever, you're gonna have that regret, you know what I'm saying. So I didn't want that regret, you know what I mean. I didn't want to what if I would have stood with these dudes or something Ship like that. You know, it was very important to come back to it and and resent him myself and and refocus myself and go strong as strong as I can that, you know, but I could, you know, go, you know, go hard hardcore with these dudes. Again. Do you mess with the Internet? Uh? Here and there? So you don't Twitter? No, Instagram, Twitter, Twitter, No, I don't funk with Twitter. I have a S C N D O G. Send dog with the blue check by that motherfucker. That's that's Instagram. Yeah, and they're sending dog a cypersel on Facebook. And uh, that's as deep as I go. I ain't that. I mean, I still rely on you know, your your own persona, you know, being bigger than life type of thing, no matter what the Instagram does whatever, And I know what it's worth. Don't I think I'm stupid or ignorant, you know what it is because um, I think a lot of us um didn't adapt that that way of life. Because I hear you're saying that, you know, the sources talking about you. And that's what's crazy is the Internet makes me terrible to say, makes me like adapted to say someone one person goes say something bad, you know, the sources voiced their opinion. Okay, I'm a young buck twenty seven year old in the game and all that for a long time, all we had was glorification of the Cypress Hill group, right, And when our second album came out, they didn't feel that way. Kind of that I said it, and I kind of felt like upon myself, like to talk ship back. Well, there was a reason for this, right, Um, I mean we were all, you know, kind of friends with James Bernard, who was senior editor at The Source, right and and uh he came and did the first interview with Cyprus on the Cyprus Block and we're cool with all good, you know what I mean, Like they celebrated us on the first album and then Black Sunday they gave us a great review and the whole ship. But then the very next um, the very next write up was you know, it was negative. And the reason was we were at an MTV party and uh or an MTV after party for uh MTV Awards when we used to go right and uh, you know, we're sitting there shooting ship with everybody that that we recognize, and it recognized as you know, how it goes, right, And so I'm having a conversation with James Bernard about like the TLC cover and you know, I was like, well, you know, like you're because there was I don't know if you know, of course you know, and I know you know, but there was like a criteria that had to be and they didn't meet the criteria at the time. And I expressed that to him. And as I expressed that to him, Joe Butcher, who you know, one of the owners of rough House Records, who was yeah, well yeah, he was the one that got you know, they signed as he knew mugs, you know, he kind of interrupts in that conversation, unknowing of what the conversation was. He was like, Yobi, I gotta talk to you about something real quick. And I said, Joe James, let's let's pick at a different time. And he took it personal that like he didn't get his rebuttal on you know at that point, like as to White, But he didn't have to fucking explain to me. I was just giving him an opinion, like, you know, because they held they held our ship so close, like we only got but one cover, and we met the criteria at times ten you know what I mean. But we never really complained about anything. We just he asked me an opinion. I gave it to him and he didn't like it. So then everything else that came after that was on negative about Cypress Hill. So then we said, well fuck the Source then, and we started burning that ship on stage, you know, like going out of everywhere, not not not just everywhere. And it made people go crazy when we did that, and salute the Source because we you know, we squashed our ship since then. But it started with James Bernard in my opinion of that TLC cover and TLC are legends, you know, and salute and respect to them. But he was asking me my opinion about that, and I gave him a time point because it can't understand that that time point, right, we were purius. You can't see TLC later, Yes, you got to see that, right. We were purists. Had to be hardcore hand to pop on the Source cover, That's who we were. He was like, we asked him one time, can we get on the cover of the Source. He's like, no, it has to be a second album. And then all of a sudden, Tales he was on there on their first album. You know, he was like, Yo, what's up with that ship? Yeah? And I just my name can't be be real if I'm not being one fucking thousand, and that was one thousand with him, and he didn't like that, and so the campaign against us begun. Hence the ship talking that San Dog was talking about, because they were celebrating the funk out of us before then after that Nah Fox Cyper s Hilver, they told sand Dog, they said, next time you burn a source on stage, watch out. You don't burn your green card. And they wrote that ship in the source, remember that ship. And we kept and we kept burning, we kept burning. But again, you know, eventually, you know, we sat down with Dave May's Salute to Dave May's and we squashed that ship out because I mean it was, you know, sorry, it was over nothing, you know what I mean. It was like, you know, over an opinion. And you know, at the time, James Bernardon and he jumped shipped to double XEL magazine after a while, so and then we had beef with them because he jumped over and took the beef we had with him right as you used to think like they was gangster writing articles about you, you know what I mean, like like you just write about what the funk we're doing? Shut the funk up. We forgive you, James Bernard, we forgive you. You know what's fun up about them was like you go write an article in like January and she won't come out to like mark you. You see what you was talking about, Like it's crazy, man. That's why I asked you about the internet, because the Internet. I remember, you know, I remember literally with my ass my my first solo album, second group a second album, but my first solo album, and we would drop it and I had to literally go to these countries we could they couldn't send the records, like I had to go there as to go to the London perform as to go and right now you could just send the Japan. It's just the Japan like like like like it's streaming something, you guys, and I know you guys did the Napster thing. It's streaming something that you're embracing or you have to embrace it. I think every kind of technology that comes along, you know, you know the road of your adventure. And if I mean, if you don't, then that's just a certain amount of numbers that you're gonna lose. In my opinion, Yeah, you have to get whatever they change. However, the game changes a certain amount of you have to change with it and go with that new certain platform, you know what I mean, Because that's just a new platform and it's just how it goes, and you adapt with the times or you don't. You know, if you adapt with the times, I think young longer than if you don't adapt with what's going on technology wise. Yeah, I mean, you know, and you've got to look at it as it's a broader platform. It could get out to two bigger numbers. Yeah, if you know, if it goes quote unquote viral. You know what I'm saying. But it depends on the work you put into it and how you promote it and how you market the ship and like how much you how hard you go to get it out there. Because we've done live streams. I mean I've been doing that ship for you know, twelve years now, Like with my b Real TV platform, and I realized that that that was like a platform because I used to do radio in Los Angeles, Bobo and myself and we realized having a platform is everything, you know, So you know, if you wanted to do performances, if you wanted to market your new ship or whatever, creating a platform is everything. So you know, if you have it at your fingertips, you do it. And we've tried to utilize it in every aspects talk about yeah, yeah, yeah, you know because realistically, you know, that's the one way you get out to everybody. And you know, like so for instance, with the pandemic, right, um, we were we were all shut down at that point. We weren't doing any live shows at this point, like getting in front of people, but we were fortunate enough to be still doing ship and be busy. Well that was happening via these streams, you know what I mean, because we would put out live stream performances or you know, things like that, and uh so it could be your friend if you if you use it, right, Um, so you know we've we've always tried to like utilize the tools that we have in front of us. So that's definitely one of them. Right now, both were you sending and be really you both got like very unique voices, Like there's no like when I hear your voice, I noticed you. When I hear your voice, I know that's you. There's not a lot of people who distinct voices like that. Who's the one of who's both of you guys, who's someone that's a How's unique voice that you guys are Chuck d that's a good one. Us Unique rock him, Unique ad Rock, Unique, Q Tip, Unique, bust Rhymes unique. You know what I'm saying. Like these these guys got voices that cut through anything, and and so you know, we wanted we wanted that for us, So we developed our ship. Like my rap voice wasn't what it what it was on records before we figured it out, you know what I mean, it was very It was fucking whacked, to be honest with you, Yes, just like the young demos, you know, that's what I was trying to figure it out, what the funk we're doing? And then and then I figured out my voice from a from again a ram mell Z record. Ram mel Z you to pitch his voice, he you know, start off with the low tone and then he flipped to a fucking high tone out of nowhere, randomly in a in a rap song. And that's what gave me the idea to do my ship like that, because my my voice wasn't cutting through, and we all knew at that point, you know, like send Dog, I mean send dog mugs and myself this is before Bobo. We knew that like gott to be distinct and it's gotta cut through. So me pitching my voice was an idea I had to, you know, to cut through because my voice. My writing was good, but my voice was just not there. And when that happened, it became a little bit more interesting and the songs became a little bit more interesting and they had more color in it. So you know, having you know, a distinct voices, I mean, you know, like where you recognize it off the top of all. That's like jay z distinct voice you want. It's just people who who who bit jay Z? Yeah, but they can't sound like him, just like people can't sound like like. There's been many motherfucker's trying to sound like Buster and it sounds like you did come close somebody you like, um um voice tomes uh king dmc wow from the Hollis Crew, you know what I mean. That's one of the dudes, one of my original like dudes that I look up to as like a because he wasn't on He wasn't even the primary rhymer and all this stuff. He was a secondary rhymer And I respect that kind of ship. You know what I mean. So I looked at him as a as a like a like an inspiration and then also said, g from Ultra Magnetic, Am I taking you back? Now? All right? That was always cool kid come up with the danger ship and then said come up, you know what I mean, and and follow that up with a with a certain punch, And that always tressed me, you know what I mean. It wasn't always the you know, it's all production things like so the primary dudo is all good and great, but I want to hear what the next guy coming, how he's gonna add to the song, and how he's gonna uplift it and this and that kind of thing. And uh, you know, most picked up on that as I was doing the whole you know, good man ship, and he's like elevator, more of a prominent secondary role, you know what I mean. So that's the kind of due that I would look up to. It wasn't I was the primary cat. It was you know, sometimes I would look at the you know, like the second dude or even sometimes even the third dude, you know what I mean, and I would find inspiration in that kind of thing. That's that's that's crazy, like Loys Lost Boys was freaky tie right. Yeah, it's all about the you know what I mean. But you needed that, like that wasn't something that you could go without. That that added to what the group was, like even flav like even flame like Public without flicks. Also like Eric Sermon, you know what I'm saying. Eric Sermon's voice was very distinct of course, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, like he had that slight lisp. I mean, you know, like the EP of D Ship that was like we had major run with that ship like that in Pe was always in the system and you know, like Eric Sermon's voice always cut through in just in a different way, you know what I'm saying, And um, that's in hip hop at that point. That's what you needed, that distinction and your own sound. That's what he was listening to, Like eight nine p m D. Public Enemy, Ultra Magnetic, you have to be mad different than anything that was needed. It was a month that was creatively different from everybody else. Yeah, and I don't know so much of a of a thing today, but back in our day, you know what I mean, that's your own original sound and that's gonna set you apart from the fields. Yeah, that's the truth of it. Though they happen to the show at a place where they don't allow smoke marijuana. Yes, anywhere in Texas, everywhere, everywhere, there was no well we started smoking on stage, there was no order. We're not I don't listen. Here's the thing. Either they had mad love for us and they gave us the past or they didn't think we had the audacity to be smoking real weed up on stage. That had to be fake. You know what I'm saying. I don't know what it is. I can't answer it for him, but like we got away with it in places that you normally shouldn't and wouldn't get away with it. We were black. God bless the funk out of us in some way that we gotta wait with smoking in places that you don't or you're not supposed to. And yeah, most definitely and chances, but I'll say this for some for some spots they would warn us. And in those spots we were like, okay, cool, then yeah, something like that. Upon the stage, you're going to jail. They're waiting for you. Like back in the day in Texas, if they were fans, they'd come and warn us, and you know, give us the heads up, like, hey, listen, we're fans, but you can't smoke that ship on stage. Otherwise we gotta arrest you. And that's us doing our job. Do what you want to do, but guess you know, just know that we have to take you in if you fucking go right. So when they gave us the heads up, yeah, we were inclined to be smart enough to listen to that advice. If they didn't tell us, we would just take it upon ourselves to be like, we're gonna do this ship and that's it. Because I feel like y'all and Snoop got the ultimate meat anywhere past, like yeah close, I feel like I feel like I feel like as soon as y'all take into the hotel, they're supposed to be like Incipe, the sales here. That's it. I'll tell you. I took a lot of fines my time in hotels because my room this church. When it comes to smoke, I'm gonna get in there tomorrow, right, Yes, my my roommates like my room it's the temple, it's the church. You know. We blow my room up and I get the charges, But inside, are you going on the balcony if we got a balcony, we're going on the balcony. I now we're blown of these days were covering the smoke detector and we're blowing that ship up. That we did with the first new episode. We had to put the towels on the smoke detectors, take them out like our cappy, yeah, our cat. Yeah. But do we I mean back in the days used to put, you know, a tower under the door and have some spray. That's the word. This doesn't have me a balcony room on the smoke alarm. Yeah, that's the works. Man, Holy moly, man, Jesus man. That's been so great. Man. Like I said, man um, when we started this show, we wanted to give people, you know, they flowers, they roses while they alive. You know, so many people you in this game ten years and they want to say, you know, you washed up. And it's like that world don't exist in any other genre of music but hip hop. It's like and and the thing is, we noticed a young man's sport. We get it, we get it, we noticed a young but it's also the O. G. S who told us we looked up to O. G. S. And now that we're the o G s. I don't want to just bow out like that is still in it what I'm saying to the creative sport. Let's just say listen to the Yellow to the Yellow boys coming up, and y'all know we give it to y'all. We love y'all, but you can'tnot take it away from we. We late never because they would never be another type of sales. You know what I'm saying, Like there will never be another type of sales. So I want to give y'all y'all love to y'all face. You know what I'm saying to you. You know we love y'all for real, like y'all open the door for not only you know, not West Coast rap, you know, not only latinos, but just for great music and music that you just want to just just just and and all of your brothers. I know all your brothers individually, all of your brothers are fucking great people. I just want to say that to your face. You know what I'm saying. I gotta give you money. I got you guys here when you stop my class and we're gonna not real talk. Though it's crazy for me to be right here sitting down with y'all absolutely. And I'm telling you this as a as a Cuban kid born in l A to Cuban exiles raising south Gate to a young age, and then moved to Miami and be a Cuban kid in Miami. Didn't understand being a Cuban kid in Miami because I'm an l A kid. And then y'all come out, and how important that was to someone like myself, you know what I'm saying to understand, like, oh, ship, there's roots there, there's something I can identify with and I'm and I'm I'm already a hip hop head and and it it inspires me and that might not get me here sitting down right now, just letting you know that, and it's just so inspirational. Man, I want to thank y'all. Y'all the biggest thing to me and to a lot of my crazy hood crew that's here, Like we love y'all, man, Like y'all think right to that, to that this is the young man's game, ship, right, That's the narrative that is, you know, perpetuated by record companies and radio stations, and that's because both don't know how to each out to the folks that grew up with this ship. They don't know how to market and promote to the to the folks that grew up with our ship, who now our parents, and they got mortgages and fucking leases or whatever the fucking bills to pay that they're not like tuned in to the Friday and Tuesday new music drops. The record companies forget about them. They grew up with you, and they're always fucking with you, but they're not as aware as they were when they were teens on Fridays now well Tuesdays and Friday, Tuesday on our on our on our calendar, Friday and Fridays, right, So they don't know how to get to like the people past thirty something into their fifties who grew up with this music, who still funk with it, but they don't find it like they used to because they got real life things that they're dealing with as opposed to when you're a teen. I'm waiting on this day for the new ship, right, different responsibilities, right, and the record companies in the radio stations ain't geared towards finding them. They're like this ship, right, here's what we've been doing, geared towards the teens. How do you connect fifty year old thirty thirty year old bands, fifty year old rappers, thirty year old bands, two teens like eighteen to thirty four? How do you connect that? They don't got the formula. That's why a lot of times groups in our time we don't get rotation from these radio stations. You could go up there for the interview and all that ship, and they're gonna play it that one time and when you leave, fuck you cool. It's good having them up here, but they're not rotating the record because they don't know how to connect with that base. But guess what is out there. It's out there because we who grew up to hip hop still listen to hip hop, new ship and old ship alike. Just these motherfucker's ain't figured out how to connect that together. So this is a young man's game. That's bull ship as long as you have it in you and you still have to passion. This is your game for as long as you want to funk with it. Look at KRS one and it's a creative man's or woman right, So you know all that young man's game. Ship is a false narrator. Yeah, it's it's it's it's yeah, I agree with you. The mainstream industry is what we're talking about. That's the young man's game, right, But that's it. But we've already that's obsolete. That industry is obsolete. It's been obsolete. When you guys are the national tour. It's the beginning of how that's obsolete. They say it's two things you should never workshop, money and youth because they all come and go choose that. That was deep up right, that what's next? What's next? You know, new experiences, you know what I mean? Like music, Really, we're gonna keep doing our thing, but we're trying to, you know, develop a new experience for people rather than just traditional albums because I mean, you know, hey, yeah it doesn't make sense anymore. So you know we've been talking about a different experience. So you know what we might do one last traditional album and then the rest is like who knows. Um could be n f T s, could be immersive, it could be something just something different, you know what I mean, Because I mean, we've been in this game a long time and like how do we stay interested? Right, there's got to be and we're always trying to be out of the box. So it's like challenging ourselves, what what can we do different to give to people than this traditional album ship. But you know what's important is that you guys have the opportunity to take advantage of the investment you put into the fans to be able to play with that world, that new world of that how do we do this because the fans will follow you. And that's an example that needs to be understood to anybody doing this and in this industry, like, you need to invest in your fans. That's right what I'm saying. And I think that what you guys have done, you invested in yourselves. That's right. And and you know, salute to our fans out there because they've held us up with new records and without. They've come to the shows and they've represented and they've been you know, the ones who like hold us up, you know when other motherfucker's counting us out. You know what I mean, Our fans who we do it for. You know, we're vessels of our creativity. Boom, it goes to the fans, they receive it and they hold us up. H Now, why did you stop smoking blunts? You know it was it was fucking with my voice a little bit. You know. We we had a run where we were doing a whole lot of Jack Daniels and blunts after before, before and after shows to try it. So what we were the Jack Daniels Crew, and you know, we were smoking blunts at the time. But every show, I was like sucking up. My voice had come back and it'd be hoarse, and like doing the next show, my voice would get worse and worse and worse. And and partially it was the blunts and the fucking whiskey, you know. And I and I changed up a lot of ship to keep my voice similar to what we do on the albums, because like that always bothered me as a fan, Like if I went to see someone and they they're screaming all over the place and they don't got no control and they don't sound shit like they do on the album, that bothers me. So I thought, like, if I was coming to see us, I want to hear me the way I am on the fucking album, So I'd like try to get control of that. Blunts was one of those things, and drinking the whiskey before the show was yeah, I got It's a combination in a singer, singer Rihanna, Yes, she suppos blust, Like where does this blust? There's no joint. But singing is different. You're you're it is, it's different your system. Yes, listen to break it down. F So they're sustaining notes, right, they're sustaining notes, lesser phrase right, in other words, lesser words in their phrases. Their verses are our six teen bars for a rap verse is their eight bar? You know what I mean? Understand me. So, like when they do their ship, it's it's it's not necessarily this that it's less work. It's not it's absolute work. They gotta stay in key. They gotta hold that pocket in what they do. But we are wrapping sixteen fucking bars. You know how many words are in sixteen bars? And then the breath pockets within those fucking bars. It's slightly a little more difficult. Now we don't gotta necessarily stay in key the way singers do. But we gotta stay on that beat. And he got a great argument, and we got a key one, and he gotta and we gotta keep our tone because like anyone can write a song and then like you know, put it out a certain way. But when you go performing, do you sound like that? And the blunts were yes, and blunts were working against that. For me, it kept on fucking cutting my voice scratchy, you know, raspy. I was starting to sound like bust the rhymes out there. Dog, you know what I'm saying. That's not the way I sound on records. So the whiskey man, both I got. Okay, Okay, okay, alright, what is that? Okay? Okay, okay, okay. Holy shit, man, this is great. And you know I love this ship man. I love this ship. I love this ship man. Yes, yes, I love I love. Um. You guys are always positive? Why you Why do you even got a little bit of negative juice? Because the negativity, uh has never scarred me as as bad as some people would would think it has. I mean since me and my brothers here, you know, we we built the thing up and it became successful. Um, it's kind of hard to be sour behind success, you know what I mean. You have to enjoy what you guys have built and what we've made with our lives and everything and now our families, you know, get to live, you know, a good life behind that. So I have no I have no fucking sarcasm or anything like that with Ship that we have done, because there's no need for that. You know. We get to make good money and to around the world and do what we of as teenagers, what we talked about, right, and then continue on forward. So don't I don't really have like a negative side of this past my my younger self, right, my adult self is completely fine. I'll say this six be real as opposed to be real. Two different like each other. You know, they with each other, but you don't sometimes, Yeah, they hung out. Yeah, I was was pretty much mad at the world that that. Like, you know, we were working on Temple Temple Boom at this time, and we were fucking mad at the world at that point. Like you know, Ship people counted us out on the third record. They thought we was done, and you know, Ship with Sony was kind of weird and management was kind of weird, and that was kind of at the time where Sandog sort of you know, dip for a minute, you know what I mean. And so it was it was a crazy time and I was, like Bobo could tell you I was. I was that guy, you know, asshole, asshole, whateverybody with everybody that, like, not the fans, but like, you know, yeah, man, I was just like on some funk everybody ship at that point, just no, no, no, no, not that. Yeah, you know, like because what the businesses, you know, like when you get in, you don't know what the funk it is. You're like, oh, ship, I'm in. And then as you learn what it is, and you learned from manager, managers, agents, fucking record company, motherfucker's and ship like that, and and just the game, and you know, it could get to you in the in the in the realm of like, you know, fuck this ship, this ship is fucking bullshit right, stop what motherfucker's think it is? Hence Rock Superstar, you know what I mean. And in nineties six, I was like, man, fuck all that. And I was drinking a lot of whiskey at that point and smoking the blunts and uh, you know, I just did not give a funk at that point. And you know, it wasn't that I was terrible to people, because I know I wasn't two fans, but like I was terrible in my fucking head. It was crazy, but we were doing well better than a lot of motherfucker's thought, you know, with that Temple of Boom album, is piste off as I was in that time, that ship was well received. You know when people thought we were gonna fall off, we were playing last We were playing that music on on Smoking Grooves tour and salute to carro Lewis for putting us on that tour at time. Um, we were playing that music before anybody had heard it. And this was not something that you did in hip hop when you were established. We were on that tour playing Temples of Boom music before anybody fucking heard it. In the reaction that we were getting was fucking awesome. Right was a Temple the book? Right? It was TEMpl Boom and you know that was that was satisfying to see people moving to ship they didn't even know, right, but in that time we were piste off so or I was definitely so seeing the people embraced that ship and that be one of the favorite albums when I was so piste off writing and that fucking time, Um, that was. That was satisfying because people connected to that album. You know a lot of people when they come up to us, they said that's their favorite album. Temples a Boom that was. That was that my height of funk everything, you know, but not out of cockiness, out of like, you know, tired of what what the game actually was? You guys been on plenty of labels. What what was your favorite label you guys ever worked with. Let's start with you Marks. I think we were Cypists on one label pretty much the whole first first run. I think we put the last record at like a second label. But for the first fifteen years, I think it was just Columbia. Yeah, it was Columbia for six teams. Columbia. Well, it was rough House Columbia for the first four albums, and then I think when rough House dissolved, we were just on Sony Columbia for that time. Then we finished our contract which a lot of Tommy and Tommy and Donnie both of them, and we we finished out our contract there, which a lot of motherfucker's don't do and we we uh, we did one album on E M I, which was Rise Up. Snoop wanted to sign that, so we you know, signed it with him, right, and so we did that and so in the next one was more like on an independent label, which was Elephants on Nason. So three labels pretty much but most of our career on Sony rough House, Oh yeah, I would, okay, you know, because realistically they could have tried to mold us into what they thought we should be, but they allowed us to be us, you know what I mean. Sure, you know, they tried to make suggestions here and there, and you know, Mugs would be like, yeah, that's cool for you, We're gonna do this, and you know, he stood his ground on the creativity of it, and they allowed it. You know, they didn't try to you know that, Yeah, they were because they had a lot of dope groups House. Chris and Joe were big advocates for us, you know when it came to dealing with Sony, and you know, Joe was like he got it, man. I mean Joe and Chris, they both got it. And salute to them because realistically, you know, we we shopped the album around for a minute and we were getting turned down by labels on the West Coast. Uh and we and we uh. We were talking to funking client Rest and Rest in Peace, who was at the time with a Wood Basic and they were interested, but they kept asking for demo after demo. I think we gave him like six seven DeMoss like, yeah, that didn't make the album, but you know they kept asking for more Ship and rough House or Chris and Joe were like, we're ready now, We'll fucking take it as it is and sendalg called that shot and said, you know what we're going with Joe and Chris and they were they were basically crazy. Yeah, And I really liked their their whole approach to to our group because there was like, just do whatever you want to say, whatever you want. I felt like we had someone that was willing to like have our back no matter what he said on the mic or anything like that. So I really those those first couple of years, it was just Cyprus and rough House. We're you know, special time for me myself personally. Um, is there any plans like starting Cyper Sales record company and you guys trying to go, like find another Cyper Sales. It's always possible. I mean, Mugs is constantly on on the works, you know what I mean, through through Soul Assassins, so you know, there's always Diamonds and the rough out there, man, you know what I mean. We were that once upon a time, and uh, you know, if you follow the direction of the producer right, because some of us as rappers have like egos and be like, whould like I'll just do let me do me. But if you follow the direction right, you might come up with something significant. I always followed the direction of Mugs and and and I learned through Mugs to follow directions of other producers. Now if they're letting me paint the picture and going on at my pace, then sure I know how to take that ship over because again I learned from this man right here. You know what I'm saying. And uh, you know, so it's important you put your ego aside, you know, because a lot of us will love our own ship like that, but we learned not to do that early, you know what I mean. Like, if Mugs gave us this beat and we took that fucking beat home with us and fucking listened to it a thousand times, send dogging myself might fall in love with that ship. And then when Mugs changes something, we might be like, oh man, why did you change that? And then it creates a fucking dynamic. That's there's tension, and then chemistry is broken there, you know what I'm saying. But if we give trust into Mugs saying, like his name's on it, he's got the same the same want of it being fire as we do. He's not gonna put his name on something that's whacked or ship. So let's follow the direction and and like create something special, you know. So I learn to do that with mugs, and I did it with other producers if they had direction. If they didn't, I painted the campus, you know what I'm saying. And I think an artist if there, if they're being one thousand with themselves, follow the producer when producer gives you a direction, you know, Like that made it easy for me to be creative. When he had an idea for something. I hear this, Okay, let me paint that I think was great. So let me ask y'all Mount westmore right, I believe it's ice que sloop too short? Right? They say they're doing an album, but then now they're saying that they're doing a tour. Is there talks about including you guys in this took? Not that I've heard of, because that's what I heard. I heard that that that would be cool as funk. I could tell you, you know, if we went on at a y'all exhibit, what got the Plug. You got the Plugs exclusive drinks right now. Ah, you interested not a good airhord because just think about that Mount Westmore because those guys can do their four set. Then you know, I'd be amazing that all the West coast like that. I think that would be just crazy. Yeah. I don't know if it's true or not neither what I would I would say that that would that would be a fucking enormous show. That would makes sense because you got Titans as that group right there, the Mount Westmore. I mean, everybody is everybody, and you know we funk with all of them. You know, those are our brothers right there and Ship so you know, if we were called upon to play support for our bros, yeah, of course we would do that. If that rumor is true, hey celebrated because let's make that. Lets everyone we don't love about that? Love I love about you guys. Is I love O g s being o gs Like I don't like when you know, people, you know, trying to copy the new sound, the new style. I like us being, you know, acting our own age, like you know what I'm saying. That's why I love this. I love this and that we could be cool at the ages we had like I don't. I don't gotta be you know, I don't gotta be too. I gotta be doing that. That's the floor, Like I can't do that. I can't. I'm glad, you know we have our own platforms big up to rock the bells. Also, we could be ourselves. We don't have to, you know, try to get to this saying. I feel like we started it from drink chance, but you know part of it, um, And I just want to salute you all one more time. Man, you guys are living legends in a lot of ways. You know, you paid your way for both of us. You know what I'm saying, us getting to see like you know, because because it was crazy, you know, me being born and raised in New York City, I only thought it was Puerto Ricans. I didn't know it was like I was in Americans. I was like, what Mexicans. And then to see people on on on TV on my video music box, and to see it and and then and you know, you got split in the you got to speaking about Latin lingo, but um, you gots you know, saying the Spanish and I'm sitting there and I'm like, holy shit, this is it was Latinos everywhere and I had not known that that. That was crazy. Y'all was like my geographical map back then. Why I didn'tn't know how to be the map. But what I'm saying, I was like, Wow, these people could be from over there too, and we're not just a funny look like yeah, I was just like I just got it was my block. Like they literally called me poppy because I was the only Latino that I was. You know, it's racist, by the way, just like and then I realized, and then I would't want to say that to y'all. You know, um, and I think we yester on one more shot. But I want to say to y'all, man, that was a big inspiration. Um, that was big motivation. It was so man, it's so dope. And like I said, it wasn't it's not only that, you know, for for for me to look up to you guys, for me to meet you guys, and you guys to be the same exactly where you guys be real as fun, you guys be you know what I'm saying, like like just always being uh the figure that I've seen because I used to meet people used to look up to and then I meet him, I'm like, I funk, it's as a prick. And you guys are really that you guys are really and you guys held it down together thirty years. Man. You know what I'm saying. That's something to really be proud of. That's something that really and we want to salute you. We want to give your flowers please, and you got your shirt. We gotta sch got your shirts too. Yeah, every one of you got shirts. But listen, I want to tell y'all, man, thank you all for what y'all did. Thank you all for what your sacrifice, thank you all for leaving the way, thank you all for being leaders, thank you all for motherfucking being who the fuck y'all are. And you know, one time for your mind, to time for your soul like but man, you know, motherfucker like pictures some problem. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by yours truly, d J E F and n R E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's at Drink Champs across all platforms. 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