Episode 307 w/ Remy Ma

Published Mar 25, 2022, 11:56 AM

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary, Remy Ma!

Remy talks about her journey in hip-hop and shares stories of working with Big Pun, Busta Rhymes, Big L & more!

Remy Ma talks about her β€œChrome 23” all female rap battle league, financial hardship and much much more! 

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Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect and I heart radio and his Drink Chats, motherfucking podcast. He's Alekny Queen's rappers. He's like, that's your boy in O R. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer, he was d j e FN. Together, they're drinking up with some of the biggest players, I mean, in the most professional, unprofessional podcast and yet number one source for drunk back drink every day is New year' z does his time for Drink Champs, drink up the putty good be hopfully is it should be? This is your boy in O R? What up is d J e f N. His drink Chats with the fucking yap will make something, you know, I'm excited. I'm excited one because we don't get a lot of females to come here and chill and you know, play the game and smoke and dreams. The funnest episodes here when when the females come She was onisode before. But I just want to describe a man, uh relentless hustler of a hustler. You know, Queen, you know a wife, a sister, I knew, a mother. Don't forget my mother. Holy oh lord, I always, I always we wonder when duty do her husband battle, when they when they argue, we're going down. But she is in this game and getting better and better and better. Just open up a rap league. Heard it's like number one throughout so many numbers for females. We're gonna get into all that. Uh dominated the reality field world made everyone say, you know what, you can do this and not look stupid and you look strong black love. In case you don't know who the bunk I'm talking about, we're talking about the one, the only raby motherfucker I've been up for because we're supposed to have you last week. So I start fact Joe to give me the questions, and then I stalk Pat Poos to give me questions. So they basically ghost wrote my interview right pretty much. So, but I got I got my own ship. I got my own ship. But here and there, when you see me looking at that note, I'm gonna see if you can figure out which question came from. All right, but but let's le's keep let's keep it real. Um, let's get right into this rap league that what is it a female rap? It's a female battle rap. League. Bain't like they did. They're saying hi to each other. It's crazy. It's a battle rap league. Um, some of the nicest ever like pun pun voice uh Um. I started out a battle rap That's what I used to do before I even I never even dreamed that I'd be a rapper. Let's just be a book. I can't even say before I dreamed it being a rapper. I never thought I would be a rapper. I never seen it as a career path. It's just something that I would do. Um. I hung out with a lot of guys growing up. They should literally take me to different peoplehoods to battle niggers and take their money because I was a girl that right, Yeah, so it was. It was it was free money like it was joining money, little face money, every color j and sport money like I was I was still in school. Um, It's just something that I did. One of one of the only times that I've ever battled a female. It went Vira before going Vira was a thing, Okay, so that that was before you know, viral was the thing, like it was everywhere, everybody heard about it, whatever, whatever, And when I went away. When I was going it was like this whole movement of female battle rappers like became a thing like battle rap started, you know, planting this people. But there was a league with just women. So when I came home and I've seen it, shoutouts to Queened the Ring, shout out to Debo, Babs and vague Um. I was watching, I was like, Yo, this is dope. Like it was. It looked like a bunch of means, young means. And I always was like, I want to do something like this because I would watch it and I'd be like, because I know the industry a little bit more, I knew there were things that I could do that to make it dope. Like people, I felt people needed to see this because I'll be telling people about it. They they really didn't know even now when I'm doing interviews about it, or when I'm talking about it, or people who tuned in the other nights to my first ever batted I was live streamed or hot um, they was like, yeah, I've never seen nothing like this before my life. Was there that many female battle mcs when you were coming up, I'm gonna assume there was. They just didn't have a platform to battle. Now. I was the only chick that was nice. I never read it to no girl. The only bad girl that I ever battle in my life was luck. I never ran into the girls ever. So UM, it was just crazy to see so many of them and just the different styles. And it was from everywhere. Like the girls on my card, particularly like we have moll League get my card that I just had my It's like kind of like boxing, like you have a card, like it was on the card who that the matches that I had. They was from everywhere. San Francisco, UM, San Antonio, Texas, New Orleans, Rhode Island, UM, Bridgeport, Connecticut, Boston, UM, it was in New York and New York on on Damnian Tom Square. So it was it was which made it even crazier because they haven't had a battle Rap event in New York in like four or five years because they just used to get too crazy. UM Smack and Beasley from RL they came out, they was in the building. It was just a really dope event. Like the numbers was amazing, trending number one in the country, number three worldwide, like they're blowing it up and number three, so like that that it was all females, and I think one of My main reasons of doing it is because I was always into it, but when I started like getting to know some of the girls are seeing behind the scenes, Like the pay gap between what the male battle rappers was getting it with they was getting was just crazy like female it's like the workplace, but it was real. It was just respectful, like they getting fifties sixty thousand and the girls getting like and to me, the girls are way more entertaining and very much more, very much more disrespectful, but they're way more entertaining. They don't choke as much like they become more prepared. I just feel like they needed to be packaged the right way. So when I've been wanted the past two months, I styled the hair makeup cloth you get these artists to do? Now, are they signed to you? Or they can go They can still go to you? Are they can they can go there? Like I'm not, I've been locked up before ahead body into no contract. I feel like when you're good to people and when you treat them good, and when your business is right, people don't want to work with you. But let me ask you a question. What happens if you're walking through checkfil that you're going to the restaurant. You have Chick fil a female come to you. She's very respectful with me. I know you're eating, you know, but can I spit some bars to you? She spit some bars to you. You literally take up from Chick fil A to fucking mtv BT's office. She blows up everything. You're not gonna feel a little bit. No, I'm not, because she is. She a real bit like me. She'll be like, you know what, rhyme here, this is you because if it wasn't for you, this is that. If she's not, then cool. It's happened before. It's people that I put in position. And it's not that, it's not that, but I don't care. I don't do things to get something back. If I do something just because I did it, it's just because I could. A lot of times people could put people in position, and they don't because of that very reason. They feel like, yeah, if I put them on, I'll put them in position. They ain't gonna handle me the right way they and and that's cool. That's not gonna stop my blessings. I'm still get the blessings that I was supposed to get outside of you. So I've never ever stopped anybody from doing the thing. I'm I'm always going to be a person that be like, yoll what you're doing. I know somebody that could probably help you. Here, take this number, Tell them I sent you. Tellthing like that. It's caught you nothing to connect people with the right person. Now, if you are asshole and you wanna handle, have you one and think because people forget that. They forget once when they bleeding out and you patch, they wound up, they love you then, but when it heals and the scars going, they forget about it. Sometimes they forget how they was bleeding out. And that's cool, That's okay. I don't I'm all right with that. It's why I met pun in nine nine. I was still in high school. We two and I'm would so I can't. I can't really be mad and I'm bossing around. Let's right, and is there a scenario where it's it's only females battling, right because it's a female I want to see. Yes, they do have interigender battles. I do plan on doing that, um, but I just wanted to be established that this is a female battle rap league. So if you're a woman, you know, pain gold or whatever, and this is what you You can come here a lot of times with some of the other leagues, like the them, they all dominated. That's it's like the NBA, Like I mean, maybe one day if a chicken is super duper dumb, nice thing might be like you know what, she could come over here like like your hands. I don't know, but um it's it's a place for women. But that that's not doesn't mean I feel the main reason why I want to bring gods in because I feel like women are never released a liidified until the yeah yeah, because they say, like a shorty nice I am for a girl. So they started seeing me VOLI and they're like, you know what like and I feel like, I don't. I don't ever want that to happen because people saying those chicks was nice. They was like, yeah, watch when y'all see what they do when I when I put them up against some of the top top dudes that's in there. So unfortunately for women, we never really get our full just do until we'll take take somebody down. It has to happen. I'm sorry that you'll like this. You got you some wine, you got you some wine want you to you know, because I'm not. I don't. I can't do this again the regulation because this is black owned, we want you to know to the black companies. However, I don't care if it was purple. This interview will be over, and I promise you it's not my thing. So I don't want to do that. So I don't wanna be bouncing around all over the place for this interview. But one thing I noticed immediately right because I went through your discography, we heard, um, I'm listening to everything, and there's two things. One I'm gonna get to this part. Make sure I'll get to the jay Z part. Make your mommy. I'm gonna look at you, so your momm me right. Um. But today uh huh, we were uh one of the guys was playing like you know how you play a record and then um, it plays a record that relates to that record, so and Ether came on and I was like, but I didn't realize because after either comes on, he comes on. So it was it is that something that you knew that that was happening when you picked the Ether? Bet Yeah, okay, Um, it's just it's like, right now, somebody does signs somebody cursing somebody else, they put them, they make a meme out of immediately to the instrumental. Right, yeah, it's just that's what it is. Funny. It is how I walked in the club with me and I just told you earlier, and it was the first record they played, and we just both looked at each other. We looked at the DJ like come on, we just didn't want to. We didn't want to, like we didn't want people to be, you know, people down days and then because the worst thing that was because both us just look at each other like this is not appropriate, like and we didn't want anybody in the world to be like this look at Nori and nas. Yeah, so we were like we like that like you would. You would have seem like he was like school field and he was like and it was like we communicated like like don't bop nigga, like this is like it was funny he was club was a club. Okay, So all right, that's one thing. So you didn't know, like right now, I'll get back to the different part of that question earlier. Here's another thing that I noticed I can tell through your bars A big jay Z Shan really I can tell like I can tell, like, I mean, this is me as a journalist now, that's not me as an artist. As a journalist, I can tell. So what was it like during that time when Joe and Jay really wasn't getting along? And I can tell he's one of you. When I asked you your top five, like I'm not, I could guarantee you James in there. So how was that going? Was horrible? I feel sorry I didn't do with me to happen, but I think I also remember I was really young when when I started head with them, so it was it was weird because this is somebody that I admired and I like, and I'm like, im pundit what and what happened? Like I just was so confused, like but why he's such a nice guy. So when they like when they got to the place where that now it was like the best time of my life. It took on understate. But I was so happy now just to tell all the things about I could take that it's very very holy ship I could imagine to get on the record and everything I could imagine. Man, I'll tell you what, man, that was. That's one of the best things I ever did. When fact Joe called me and said, Yo, you gotta get me in contact with whole and I was scared and I was just like, what do you want to say? Because thinking about it, think about it if you listen to it. He shots out, showing back I was before me, which I'm always mad about that, right, I'm always like, back, guys, didn't get you on the phone, y'all. I've been working for this man for twelve years and nothing happened. You wasn't in the same movie. I'm sorry back because it seem like I'm coming back, guys, and I'm not. I'm coming out to situation, you know, coming to that job. Maybe maybe so he said, he said you please. I said you sure? This is this is real. He's like, yeo, this is real's molling too long? And you I said, you know what. I was going to the breakfast club, so I called men and this was why I know. That's why I know God it's real, not just not to not to change it to a religious date. That's what I feel like. God was testing me, like you ain't even rapping no more, you ain't gonna get no jay z favor. This is one jay Z favor, give it to your brother. And when I did that, my life has changed. I put someone else before me in a non selfish way. And boy, nobody gets a jay z favor and then you get it. You don't get that way, you don't give it away. Why when I gave it away, it was like my whole life change. So I always I always love that bro, But it was you see how that how that gold co released with what I said about it's not going away from you when it gets to the top. Okay, okay, okay, let's go. So it's like it didn't take anything away from you. Sometimes you get your blessings in a different way. People. I think a lot of a lot of people today they want instant gratification. Nobody wants to work. Nobody wants to put in the time. People see people and they see their success, but they never see what to get there and then not for nothing. They are some people that get lucky and they just take off quick. But that doesn't mean that you don't gotta put in work. Like you know, I have so many times people come like your ram, could you help me with this? And I'll be like, listen, I got a bad idea. Soead of me giving you that right here, I'm gonna put you in a position to where they don't want the position, Like it's crazy because I try to explain that people like, Nah, people don't be trying to put their people's on, Like now I'm gonna put you on. I'm gonna put you onto where I don't have to put you on no more like putting you on don't mean me just giving you five thousand, ten thousands, because that's gonna be going. I'm gonna put you in a position to where that twenties gonna turn in the forties sixty and you never got to come to me again. And people people don't want to work, they don't want that. They want their hands out, they like, but you got it though, Yeah, I don't want to keep it fun talking about giving it to you today you are president? How am I ever gonna How am I ever gonna go? I remember I had to be still be a teenager, and I remember Joe told me one day, He's like, you have to get rich friends, right. I was like what it was good advice? I know that now. Then I was like thin sun out because when you're young, you're like yeah, I'm getting money. Everybody an old fly out with older this, and then you realize, hold up, it's just crazy, and then your friends will coome entitled, like people that literally were just locked up with me, like I met you and wasn't let's be quick, I wasn't even supposed to be. I was like, I not eve like that was like the accident they like, and they talked to like because some of my friends, like I'm never gonna say most of my friends that I hang with right now, all my friends from jail, like because I know they fuck with me because they fuck with me, like they was risking being locked onto the box, like to do shift for me when I was getting in trouble, Like those are my friends. But other people that was there with us, like they'd be trying to press them like well, if that's your friend, why are you broking? Why you got two jobs? And I'm sitting there like wait a minute. So because you're my friend that I'm met at prisons, let's be clear where I met, like you, we gotta fuck with you a long way clear before I can go to You know, many friends I met from school in my neighborhood before I get to like, I got mad cousins, uncle's siblings, you know how far down a lot before I started taking care of you. Like, but people really think that in their mind, they'd be like, oh, like, if that's your friend, why are you working? If that's your friend, why you don't have a car the same as one of my second cousin or I have a car. I don't know. It's not my it's not my jobs. Of what you will, it's like if I can, I will. But sometimes people they expect so much from celebrities and it's just crazy. It's really really crazy how nobody wants to work for it. They just feel like you should just yea. They feel like they feel like like if you got a nation or like this and you buy something, like you buy a new car or buy new jersey. They were like, that's they think that that's they're cute to ask or something. This is the worst time that if I really should have dropped this bag right now, do not ask me for ship, cause you just see me by something crazy, not the worst time ever, But for some reason, in people's mind they'd be like, oh, now that's my chance. It's really not, though, And if you say you're gonna borrow, can you? If you say can I borrow, that mean you're gonna pay me back. I want my money back. I'm not gonna lie. I got a friend right now. He borrowed for me three times and I don't and the but did he got mad at me because I don't even expect tell us if he wasn't here, yea everything. And then he went through something else recently and he put it. He put it on text and expected me to be like, well, I got you, and I ain't say I got you, and he ain't speak six crazy. I have a problem with that, like because the first time they get used to it. The first time they're like, okay, I got to give it to you. Can I have if you tell me? If you tell me that y'all, could you give me this stance, I will understand that. I'm not going to expect if you ask to borrow something, if you ask to longside, you say, let me hold something, if you give me a date when you're supposed to give it back. When that date comes, I'm checking for you. I don't care how much money I got. I want my money back. That's just I don't care if I give you two thousand. If you're a thousand, you three thousand, and you four thousand. Like you realize it at the ends of the mone you be like, I'm not fitty bands out here. I'm this is getting crazy. Like you don't realize that when it happens, because it would be a little bit fits two thousands at the end of the month when your account and come to you and be like, hey, what's this number, and you're like, oh, that's the wires and the cash apps in the cells you had me sitting out. You're like, oh, nah, this is crazy. It just doesn't know how I want my money. Anybody watching this, I want my money back. When it comes to the artist that were feeling entitled, do you think it's generational or not? Do you think it's them growing up on social media? Like what do you think is a factor in the artist artist? I haven't met any artists that well you said, you said that they want they want you to help them a certain way, and they don't. Not artist the one that's like, first of all, I feel like if you are not on yet, as people say, you're trying to be in position, there's no way that I should ever work in the yeah said that we have, Yes, we have, Like, how is it that I'm on my right? But I've never try to not being right ever again? Like, it's nothing worse sidebar, There's nothing worse than being broken and famous. Yeah, change, it's horrible. It's horrible, like when you broke and nobody knows you. You're just a regular another broken the rest of the broken things. You gotta train buss your like you regular. Everybody's broke, everybody everything, everything, everything, and you can't do it because now the next and now I'm back in prison. Who knows that? Quick? Well, we want you to know. Our show is about giving people their flowers while they're alive. So we want to give you. We set up, we want to come. We got a couple of things, literally give you your flower hours. You understand. I was saying, yea hold on to that because you're motherfucking queen on the roads and you were down with the team. You're motherfucking really someone to give you motherfucking flowers? About ten years? Yes, yes, yes, fever Lisa, ten years, I go with don't don't you're going the middle of ten years and forever? Say two and when paps on here. We had these watches and he liked one. So they said, pep, it's on my night staging. But no, but I want it out of my room, like it's on the next dance. Like boy, we didn't think about's not going on the night day. Thank you. It was a guy watch company. They gave me an ear fit once it's you. You know, they know I'm a bank watch guy. I love watching black love. Appreciate that. That's sinea some noise. Since y'all, is it time for y'all? I brought some flowers of my because by the way I saw this marketing and this this messed me up. I have some flowers for you. God. This is I don't know what this photos. Hold on, hold on, no, that's it's called pussy charm puss. You got you open it. You gotta pick up all the time. You have to have one to show you open my God. You just pick your face. That is fine. Yeah, pre roll you you have pre roles, but I have my prero holy ship. So this is a collapse. Pussy Tomas and pizza push up. I didn't with him. So these are the godmothers. Oh wow, I the godmothers. That's that's a pre roll. This is a pre roll holy ship, It's a cubaner. We have them personally rolling it like it's it's has a nice little filter in it. Enjoy. Yes, you say something nice about our So what made you get into the cannabis business and what made what made you? Two part question? What made you getting the cannabis? Pennis? Who the hell came up with the idea for pussy charms? Okay? So um, for those that don't know, Like before, prior to my concentration, I was like the biggest part. Like I was like Snoop dog Met the man was Khalifa. I was just a girl. Um. And then of course I didn't want to lose my trail of this, so I couldn't smoke. And then when I came home, I didn't want to go back, so I couldn't smoke. I was gonna p role for five years, so I was patiently counting down the day so that when I could smoke again. And then it's crazy because all the people that didn't smoke while I was before, before I left, everybody's pie had. Now now everybody smokes good weed or strands going on. I'm like, nah, I gotta see what's what's going on here? So um, that was definitely all my list of things to do, like I gotta I gotta have the fire, like I'm telling you I have. I have a test over there. Did you bout the thumbs up? He gave me a thumbs okay much much of this gas, but um the pussy charms on me and my girl flow she came with it. Um yeah, yeah, jokes are paid. They We sat down one day and I was like, Yo, this is what I want to do. So were trying to think of different things that we could do, and like it was just like a collaboration of just sitting there thinking of some flash it and I'm like, what does everybody like? Like what does what would draw people in? And then you started thinking of the design. I drew it out. I'm one Google like pretty pussies, like just Google and ship now because I don't understand they need to somebody need to control that. Because the ones that was coming up did not fit the description. I was like, what some crazy shit out there? But we came up with the design like I wanted to open in the middle, I want the inside to be pink. All the different details that came with it. I sent it out. Took me like two months to get to me because they're not easy to meet, and I wouldn't pick my flower and then be linked with pizza pusher, who, by the way, shout out to him. I went to his rest of our restaurant. Oh my god. I was so stoned because I didn't know it. But I didn't know it was everything. I thought it was just the pizza. So I'm sitting there with my lemonade. I'm want to fake diet. So I'm eating my salad. Fucking salad. I'm hot, and I'm like, is it any like the lemonade? He goes, It's in everything, like what I'm seeing, Like out of the gun I thought it was a gallic knight. It's a gunja knight. The salad. I had two lemonades. I didn't even get to the pizza guest, so I'm like, I'm I took a buy. I was like, it's good. It's crazy because it's really good food. And then the dessert comes. I'm like, yes, thank you. So it's like some geltta ice crumbing, like yes, it will cool me down, like everything, But I thoroughly enjoyed and then we started talking and he has he has the god bothers. I'm like, oh, look at godfathers of guards like this, but at the show he sells them. You gotta go to Pizza pusher dot com because he should have the Godmothers and the Godfathers there. But the godmothers have um Godmother's post a little more more, they little. They have the same product as the pussy charms. So you know you got the gas inside the godmother because I smelled that, and I like the way you have to smell it too. It's like, yeah, it's not the first time. I'm sure profession that is actually bill. You know what's crazy. I can't see a man selling dick nobody as it's really no like know what he wants to walk around with, and it's just just awful about it. But even like with women is a little bit different, like you know, even you don't have to even be into women. But it's not offensive. It's okay. I'm like cool with it. But yeah, godmother charms, you can follow that. Make sure you're looking to that god Mother charms before they shut me down again. I had pussy charms, but somehow, some way, I didn't even post something bad like I actually have other bags because we plan on being a dispensary soon. The other bags that haven't had the block scents stripe on it. So I didn't understand why they took my page down. It's like it's just like it's it's a little bit of pussy. Wow. She sure she never hurt Canada. Okay, so um, let me ask you this. How many times did you go to the box when you was locked up? And how did pat react to that? Three? And he was pissed every time? That was his question, by the way. Three. Well, the actual like to shoot like special housing you in it or just like locked period, because they have different levels of lock. This keep lock where you don't go to the special housing. You're locked, but you're in yourself. I can't count how many times. That was a lot of times. I don't even know how many times. But whenever it happened, I would lose my visits. I would lose like my my trailer visits, my Countugal visits, and he would come to visit me and he'll be walking in you know, that's that walkee guy. He looks saying, He's like, I'm just watching him walk and they're like, no, Mr Mackie, she's over there and I'm in the other section with the pseudo and he's like, are you fucking kidding me? And when you're gonnly get a visit once a week when you can't get before though, like what I would do, I'm not gonna hold you. I will get in trouble. And you get a Disciplinary ticket, they have a certain amount of time that they have to process your ticket or they have to throw it out. So Disciplinary opens at nine and it closes at three something like that, and the visitor room opens at eight thirty and the closes at four. So I would like, I would like you be here at eight o'clock. Is because they can't pull you off a visit to take you to dicip from everyone. So I would have him come at eight in the morning. As soon as they call the movement, they're taking me to my visit. I missed this everybody time to visit hours over, just when every never was closed. So I beat a lot of tickets by just being on a visit every day. But it was this one captain one time, fucking cocksucker he um. He really wasn't like seriously it's like, because why would you do that? Like he's seen, like he's about she thinks shes getting out of this. When he came and waited, he stayed over time like they didn't even get paid for, brought the fucking little tape recording all his little fucking notes and brought it to shoot and then my my hearing give me three months fucking Baskett. Yeah, that it used to be because I used to feel bad because he used to look forward to her conjugal visits. I mean yeah, but he was acting crazy like it had to happen, like I'm sorry, Like next time, you know, I'll try to like she told what you want me to do, but I'm not that person anymore. Well, yeah, you seem like I don't be put in those situations anymore. Like I'm still the same person. I don't think I'll ever change, but I'm older now, I have different things that way more to lose. And also, um now I'm very happy that people don't understand. It's like when you go away, when you go to prison, like it affects other people outside of you, and I just feel like it would be very very selfish in me at this point, like after seeing what it did the first time to do that to my husband or my daughter, or my son or just my mom anybody ever again, you know all they probably they probably suffered more than me, like after the first time of us like I was good, like I tell people trying, like I don't really want to say it, but I have fun sometimes. But what it's like, I want to be miserable everything, I'm gonna be depressed, like not being He used to call me from the face and he used to make me happy, like what are you doing in there? He was he was happy and I was like, no, I guess like he looked at it like every day. Now let's turn out his lip, like who's doing? Thanksgive for coming? Anybody gets thirty four pals bad? I need to just go go to the path or happen. But yeah, it was it was. It was different. So let me ask you, because you know we've all been locked up. I wasn't locked up and famous. He was locked up and famous. Was that more um hard because the guards would want to be more mean? Or do you or or it was it was it harder than she was famous? Or you got a little perks here and there. Oh well, I don't have anything to compare to. I wasn't locked up when I wasn't famous, so I don't really have a comparison, but I can't say that it was it was some of both. I had some people that was just they fuck with me, like they felt with me, or like remember where I was at. It's the only um max female prison is only about forty five to hour outside of the city, so a lot of the people from the town. It's not like when you're in Albion or you like Damni in Canada and you're dealing with a different set of set of people. So a lot of people they knew my brother or a new Joe or new like Blue Pat, knew somebody that did some relations, or they was just a fan show Bad Love um And then you had those that I thought that they was doing something because they was like in an upper hand and I would just take the ticket, like disobey a direct order. Whatever the charge you're gonna add on to it, it's not happening. Like I don't know who the funk you think you told to. This is not my life all year in Crane made for now, bitch. When I leave here, I'm gonna have a very different life than you. Carl and Hanza's dad. We told fucking Microwave and as bit like funkings, you talk about life and then people you like, we should try to make me feel like that, like, oh, it's over for you, You're not gonna be nothing. That was my next question. Sorry to cut you off, because it's it's it's everyone was looking at the Tupac in effact, right, Tupac became like larger than like when he came home. He's the only one. But he had a rough in there though I believe I believe he had it rough in there, but but it was a fact. It was a Tupac in fact. What I mean by that was his albums went up. He went up in stature, which created this misconception that if you go to jail, when you come home, you're gonna be like He's the only one that was able to come home and immediately like be super little because they were already crazy, even with Sean, And we had Sean here too, and we spoke about this. I felt like even Sean he rhymed, He rhymed too soon. When he came home, he couldn't find his cadence, so it almost took away from from the process. I think people were just hating a little bit too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it just was like just trying to find something wrong with anything, like like we're living at every now where everybody got a sucking the pain. I don't like that show. I liked it when if he was a celebrity, what you said was what it was there right now, regular people, you just got a phone and phone, so you gotta pay the funk out of I don't like you right now? Ya cool? When when you went in you were already a mother, mm hmm. And how rough was that for yourself mentally? Oh, my son was seven. My son was seven when I came home. It was like a week before he turned fourteen, And um, that must have been rough for him. Yeah, it was. It was probably more of rough for him than because all he knew was me with me his whole life. Like I'm I say all the times, like I would have rad that winning when he was a baby and came home when he was seven. Man, then when like it was a very that's a very pivotal moment in child's like when you're an adolescent turning into a teenager, getting to know into becoming to your own person. I feel like it still has an effect on our relationship now and it probably forever. Will Um his life changed dramatically, But it's Um, it's unfortunate that people people don't think about that, like what I'm saying, Like people they think, oh, well the kid is with your grandmother, there with their father whatever the kids like. But he had to come visit me in prison, Like he had to visit me all the time, Like he came on visits trailer business all that they would come stay for four days or whatever, and then with the crowd when it was time like to leave, Like he hated leaving because it's like he doesn't say like, well I can't just stay here with you. So um yeah, my stepson to be like that a lot. Pap son. He was like he was Cary worse than my son. Like I remember one time who was on a visit. It was just like a really good visit that day, like we were just chelling, playing mad board games or that. Mean it was time for them to leave, and Um he went and asked the guard like could she just come with us? Like I just feel like a little while like why could she come with us and the guards Like, na, she can't come, Like he was like devastating, Like he didn't understand, Like I asked nicely, Like why I didn't understand? Like he acts nicely, why can't go? But um, kids don't understand that. They don't understand that. Like I've seen people go away and they tell their kids that they at school there because my kids ain't dumb. But I did get a call degree, but I wasn't that fucking color. I wish I would went to college. That's one of the things that if I like I could do it. I wish I would have went to collect When I meet people that like get sororities and stuff, like my little sister went to college, and that's something I would I like school. I'm like, what those people that went to school and jail too, that don't count. That's a count When you finished, man, I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it. I definitely, I definitely think it counts. Like it's real work. I do real payments and really really same classes. Like when we was at a little bit different Marry Mount Manhattan College, they would have the professors come up and sit with us and like you know, it was just a whole situation. And they had graduations and I see I got to actually almost almost. Um I got my bachelor's But I like you, I went home then take home, like six months earlier, I tried to start again, and what happened. Oh yeah, I got the ankle bracelet. When I came home, I said, I was like, I'm gonna do it again. And right around the time when I was supposed to start, I ended up getting the ankle Poyson. That was like, I couldn't go. So you came home, had anle bras. No I was home, and then somebody said that I blacked the right and I was terrible. Yeah, I like that. We neither I beat that one though. That's right now. I heard you got a crazy antie up story. Uh, I know. He always thought that was a crazy story. So any one of the records that changed my life. Like I tell people all the time, I tell people story about any but I never tell them this story. I know which story wants me to tell you. When I try to explain to people that almost everything that I did in my career that got me to where I am now, and that really propelled me into a different space. I did for free. Um, when I did any up, I didn't get a dollar. I didn't want a dollar. But did you question to be on the rex? I don't know. What I did was um Shawn C shout out to sea. He was the A and R allowed Records, and I begged him to get me the instrumental because at the time, Um, but I didn't have a record. I didn't have anything. Fun had just passed. I still have my record deal I could bring pun back and trying to figure it out. So I'm thinking that was something that never was hooked up. So I begged him to give me the instruments. I'm like, it would give me the instrumental, let me wrap on it. Just give me an instruments before thinking of a remix. I knew they was working. I know, yeah, so, but they didn't know me. I had never met them or anything. And I gave me to be I did the record. I'm like, okay, now favorite number two. Get it to them like I need to him. So he did that, and they thought. I think that she thought I was like a boy. They thought I was like a boy like y'all. See, I got this batty White ship on my shill. So you didn't have a record out before. The only record that I had out was Miss Martin on Puns album. But remember it came out after Punt had passed. So people have heard me, like, yo, who's this chick on Punt album? Own record on funds album, but nobody had never seen me. Nothing crazy. Gotta get that later. Make sure mind you mind you. Oh this is a little sidebar. I'm all the way pregnant. I'm like a team pregnant mom at this point where I'm sending this, So I'll send him the record or whatever, and I'm imagining you're in the booth pregnant that so um, we go to the studio. They set up a studio session because they put in the record together. Now, so it's me and his bill and dance and busters there and um. Prodigy was originally on the remix pieces of Prodigy. UM. And let me just say this real quick. They reached out to me to do a record for his project. I got you. They have not sent me whatever they need to send me, please, I got you. Like I love Prodigy. He's one of the few people that wrote me, sent me a book everything while I was locked up. Um, but he was on the record, So it's this big argument because he's on the record and he's this and jay Z on the record, you know, like he's talking about I'm gonna shoot up your continental Ty and like he's the first was fire you know me. I'm like yeah, but dropping like I'm went all the smoke and like they kept an officials they kept in Brooklyn like, nah, he's not doing that. I don't know, record if you want to. And then I get it, Like then I was jugging. I understand, But now I understand. Like if you put out a record and you put somebody on your record, and you're supposed to be cool, when you let them diss me on my right on your record, it's up to you. When I see, yes, that's the equivalent of I got beet with a nigger. You have a car and they shoot at the outside your car, out of your car window, it's lit for everybody in that car. As a younger child, I'm like, let it go, let's see what happened. They're like, NA, we're not doing that. We're not so know them before that because they kept the picture like we're not doing that. I'm like, I but low with a hole. A whole fucking fight starts in the studio verse the guy who introduced me to Punt. I met Punt when I was working home from school one day and with this kid that lived in my mother's building. He knew this guy, Sunkis. I used to hang with Punt. Yeah. So it was on America's Most Wanted or something ship you know that part Jimmy Joe had to fight something. Remember that you can do, you take a challenge, anything like, remember that. I'm glad he's changed. I got a story about YouTube. Let's continue. So Sunkiss is in the studio and the conversation ends up getting heated because we'd like discussing shitty be on the record, should be taking more with the record. I don't know what happened. Buster starts getting crazy. He's like turning into the Buster rhoms that we see him to you in the studio. I'm like, you know what I need to get out on the record. Can I leaving it? Like? It was just really really crazy. So they ended up taking about the record. The record ended up changing my life is a great record, which I recently found out. I didn't know that I had beef for Buster behind this record, like I didn't know, no, no, seriously, just out so let me tell y'all have some quick story so everyone knows who has the best verse on any of I mean like it's like I'm shout outs everybody out the record, but I'm just saying, you know whatever, whatever. So happens doing the thought I was gonna stop remix and has Wayne on it into chains and bust them. And he called me. He's like, your bad Buster want to talk to you. So I'm like, okay, and I'm expecting that my beautiful Gemini sister queen, I love you look so good. That's what I'm expecting. That's what I got. He's like, yeah, I just laid my verse with you. I was like okay. He's like yeah, but you're gonna see when it comes. I's a hold on, wait a minute, Like I just like i' the thought I was gonna stop remakes just dropped buses on it. But yeah, but the way he's talking like we had prior beeps, Like I was so confused, Like he's like, yeah, you gotta see when you did you hear again? Oh It's like in my hand I was saying because mind I had a secret beet for him too, like the touch of remakes and he got heavy and I dig to see I'm like, I was like calling you still okay, So you know, for if y'all want, y'all can go listen to the thought I was gonna stop Rema and see how that one was. YO. Understand that story is so dope because it alludes to what we was trying to say earlier. It's like, not she's nice for MC, she's nice, and for him to him to he even like challenged you like that or even like throw that in. I was so confused people about him yeo, because you know he's gonna say over the record unless res on the record. But I was actually I was so shocked. I was like I hung up. I was like, babe, did He's just like come for me? Like I was like, mind you the whole time I'm talking path like I'm gonna kill you and you're I'm gonna kill you. Ckick you want me to do? He was annoying me so bad. I'm like trying to be in my battle rap league. Mold, I'm shooting a fucking I'm filming queens. I'm filming Wendy Williams. I'm not rapping right now, bad. I need you on this. He stopp pressing me. You you you real, Hollywood. It gets crazy like I didn't even get this pushback from two chains, Like I didn't even get this from Little Wayne, like my own wife in my house. I'm gonna keep asking. I'm like, yo, now this it's fucking New Year's Eve. I said to everything I love, it's New Year's Eve. He's sitting me like this, like I asked Little Wayne once I had the record within a hour to change. I got the verse end of video. No problem with my own wife. Wow, Wow, it's crazy. People knew what the hood now it was like, now you're trying to call my g card. Don't check out the studio in the house. Yes, I don't want to go in the house out to birds like no, no, no, no. I hate that we have a studio in the house. I hate it. Do you know what my life was like? Living with a fucking rapper that recorded not an EP? Fucking album? Boy? Crazy tiring after this, right, so I can't take them all the ship. She was nuts, she's really nuts. But no, we don't. We don't even discuss music, not discussing music. I explained it to people all the time. This started before he's even married. He was he was, I don't even think eating it. We just like friends. But we knew we liked each other. We're just friends. And he asked me one day and he goes, who's your top five? So I'm thinking it's a regular, innocent rap question. I didn't know my fucking life was hanging on the line. So I'm like, you know, my top five changes, which I think that's perfect sense because when I was in high school and I liked Jada, d MX and jay Z, I didn't know Little Wayne was gonna exist one day the way that he exists and what I'm saying. I didn't know about Ja Coole. I didn't know about a lot of people that my ship changes over time. So I tell my top five. I don't even know who it was. Then he just lets me saying he's listening, like and then when I finished, he looks at me, he goes, punt has to be rolling over his I was like, what, First of all, you don't even know that we're talking about music people like I was highly offending. I wanted to fight first of all, you don't already know Bronx people Brook people don't even really funk with each other like that. So it was just like like back but so like I was just like, we're just not gonna talk about it, like especially then I realized, like he puts himself in his own top five, Like why like this conversation is going nowhere, so we're don't talking music at all, you know, speaking on Punt, this is one of the questions. Uh, he said, where do you think Pun would be in the game if he was still alive? Right now? That's a fat Joe question. That's fucking Joe brother. Um, if Pun was alive right now, I think me know Pun like he always he always wants to try to have people saying ship like literally like he I think he would probably be a ghostwriter for man people. He probably have a mad artists and they'll all be dumb nice But it's really him, like all his different characters that he was in, the different styles that he had, Like he literally tried to change my name like for two months, like would not stop, Like can you imagine Punt with a Twitter? No? First of all, now that's now, now, did your factor of social media, Paul. Paul will probably be in jail, Like definitely even what everybody walking around with a cara phone, he would definitely be coote on camera doing a crate that he pulled. My poor friend. He would probably be a jail unfortunately, because he's out of full control and he and he's still between some house away from there. Yeah, I think he would have loved Twitter. I think him in Tupac would have love Twitter. He wouldn't love He wouldn't love I g though, like or no pund on TikTok. Could you imagine punt on TikTok ok? Yeah, TikTok, But yeah, he I couldn't seem like reenacting all the movies and stuff like that. But um, it's I literally was just thinking about like twenty years, twenty two now passing two thousand. This is this is this is one of my questions, Um, did you ever see him sick? Because one time I was not One time when I was at the funeral, you know, I was so young at the time. Um, it was giving like everybody like you know, a couple of minutes to you know, say they piece to him and I literally kneeled down and got on my knees and I wer Flex coming up to me, and Flex said to me, um rest pflex too, by the way, Damn, it's crazy. And Flex said to me, you know, the homies not suffering no more. And I remember me being mad because I was so young. I've never seen pun stuffer. Obviously see Pun go to the sleep Apnea ship like and I just think my story was boring, so I should stepped my ship up like that. That's the most dispective thing you could do, Like she just snoring on me. My brother didn't come back, and then I don't have more energy, and then I would realized he would do it again and it wasn't me at all. But I didn't know that, but sleep Happy that was too young, So I guess my question was to say, um, you know, what Flex said to me was my brother's not suffering anymore? And I was like, what do you mean suffering? And I was so young, and I could tell that they knew. I couldn't understand. I couldn't comprehend it. But now you you got younger, So did you did you see it? See that? I didn't. I literally just recently I was doing an interview and I realized, Um, how short of a time was. You know, when you're younger, time to go slower, so like you feel like he was in junior high school. Us in high school for fifty years now four years ago by so quick, like you don't even realize it. So when I when I was talking to somebody, I was like, I realized that I didn't even know Punt a whole year. But I didn't even know Punt a whole year I was. I met him, It was like at the end of the school year, and then school has started again, and he passed up in February of the next year. So I didn't even know him. But I was with him really every day from the day that I met him. Like he's one of those I don't know if he ever did this to you because you had a career, he was moving around. I was just I just had to school, which don't like, who needs school? You're about to be famous? Pound say something like that about stopping school you're going to be But it wasn't okay to skip school to hang out with point. Yes, I would have changed it for the world. But I realized that I didn't know him that long. I didn't, but I was with him every he would hold me hostage. No I couldn't go home, do you understand? Like I would be like, no, I have to go home. Like what do you need? I need clothes? Take her to the mall, take it a for them, broll what do you mean? What do you like? Anything? Like? He would try to bring it to you so that you wouldn't leave. Eve. Um I tried. The one time I remember, I was like I tried to pull up you know my boyfriend. You know I haven't. He's like, oh, your boyfriend going like now you're going too far. He's not coming over here. I don't even like him like that, but um, he would literally have you there. Like I remember, like when he passed, he was sitting in the hotel in West chest So and like the night before I was there. I was there sleeping in his him swimming and they had a pool continue and he literally had me like there. I was like sleeping in the room. I'm like, I just want to go on, I want to go home. But I'm glad he did that because I got to I got to get to know him, I got to be around him and see differently. And all of these years I prompted you until some time last year I was doing an interview and I was like, you know what, I didn't know. I didn't know him as long as I feel like I did. But that goes with the a thing when when you meet somebody when you're a kid like you, you literally could have just had one year school with him. You feel like he's with him for medlone with somebody. Now. I tell people all the time, like if people like, yeah, you know her from you you know from where? If you did not see me in the past six months, you don't know me, that's I'm a different person. Yeah we was locked up to guy, I know her. No, you don't different person. Sorry, you don't know me. That's a beautiful thing. Especially, that's a beautiful thing, especially with growth. If you're going back with it's a horrible thing. You're staying the same. I don't want to be the same person that I was five years ago. I don't want to be the same as I was last year. Like I just I want to know the goal was to elevating to be better. But him doing that with you, you think it was his way of doing artist boot camp. No, he's just crazy. What he this is how he introduced you to me. That's how he spoke about you to me. He said, this is the female version of me. And though he was d nicest and like he said, oh, he meant that ship like he wasn't playing, and he was like that, he was so proud of you, Like you know, I'm proud of you, know what I'm saying, because just to see like his vision, like, um, God blessed, because I don't want to. I don't want any other Terrofort squad members or for the clips remember to feel any great. But the way he bragged about you was different. And at first I thought this was because he was a female. But then I heard you, and then I said, oh, but this is the thing I met you before, you've been told me about you. Okay, go ahead, put me on. So I lived in Queens. I lived in the story. Oh wow, that's why you out of control. Story is a bad place from like when I was like hand eleven, so I was about like sixteen seven seen so um it was me, my primo league and my friend Mom because like the rest of Peace of Monica. Actually a birthdays in like a couple of days, and like we was like we were like popular, were like the popular girls, right. So one day your capone come out there and I guess the room was like, no, we're supposed to be fire with our kids and you in your camraight and you're sitting in they introduced you just run this to song. Song. He's like, so this is sugar Hill. I don't even know what the fun Bett confused, like, like what are you talking about? Like, first of all, like we're marked deep in talk about but from them, um, from there, I used to see what I wanted to. That's how no chin being um be with Glorian I came to one of your shows on tom I think it was like I wanted to say, he was in Connecticut. It was one, number one market and yeah it was a big it was a big brawl and yeah, yeah it was. It was one. It was It was crazy. It was so crazy. But um who somebody had lost their chained I don't know, somebody like somebody had lost their chain. I was gonna cry. I was like, yea, his niggas is really crazy. And I was so confused because I knew where he was from, and I'm like, that is such a nice neighborhood. To system. We was on the corner, little cheap and I was like, he's such a nice was really crazy. And then when I met you again later on and he was like cool with punt, I was like, it makes perfect sense. Crazy, but I was outside of me okay, Like I was always a big fan. I remember one year he was on UM using the parade and we was waiting for hours for flots. That's what you had? Like what? So we go? Me being a pithead that I was, we weren't mad, like funk, I know it's a spot, that a box, So let's go get somebody. You come back, you should be here. So we're coming from the spot, rolling up and we just here. I'm like, is that yeah? Well, I said, we chased the flow down. I chased the floor down just so that we can watch you perform, like so to see you space of one of my first meeting you as Joe I believe, I believe passed away. I'm not sure, but it was Yester session and I was doing a hook. I don't know if you ever use it, but I came late. I came like an hour late, and I was I was really into bronx women at this time. So I put a bronx girl to the with me last thing. As soon as we walked in, you said, it's just just the reason why you're late, and the girl just left. He was so scared that she was so scared that for you. I was like, wait a minute, like going on. It's like I'm from the brawls. You don't understand. She doesn't like me, And I don't know if you knew her not, and she thought you did. But it's possible that's that's who you was. I did. I did a lot of stuff. I would never do that right now. You never do that, would never want to make somebody feel uncomfortable like that. But you know, I grew up a lot of guys like seriously, I don't have to, like you know, since I've been married, I haven't really seen it and my guy friends anymore. Strange thing. I don't know what happened. It's not the same when you're married, like it just seems weird when you have a bunch of guy friends like Pap is totally cool with it and he's okay with it. But to the outside world, it's it's crazy because they don't they don't understand that people said, like if you have a god that's like when I tell you, I literally have people all my in my comments sometimes like oh she posted him more than her husband because I post Joe a lot. But we worked together a lot, but I feel more comfortable with male friends. Like that's how so I was a little rough around. I just like this this this spitch is where you like like like I probably was really how it fined. I believe it waiting for you fun. It was nice because I didn't really have to stay and Terra was the only people I would come around with no other crew, Like I can come around about my doughter because I'm good. Joe will come around my crew do like that's it. He don't have to have no crewe. He still does that to this day before we go to UM put time a slide. Who else tried to sign sign you other than Terroce squad? Oh God, when I know when I first um when not when come first passed? Like it was obviously just so many different calls, like it was somebody from from nas camp that was reaching out swissing them was reaching out UM and Joe was like and I was I was not really show what I was gonna do because the Pun's not here. This is who Like when Punt passed, I didn't really know Joe like that Joe. Joe didn't like Joe was starting to mature ready, Paul was still fucking crazy. So and when he when he was gone, I didn't know where it was gonna happen. I didn't know if the records that we had Dad was gonna make the album now because he's not here to oversee it. And people was reaching out to me like yo, can we have a meet? And can was talking um. I remember it was at the funeral and Joe comes to me. He goes, I know right now, you're not really sure you know what's gonna happen. You're probably you know, questioning, you know where you go from here. He's like, I got you. I was like okay, He's like, nah, I got you. Like you're good. You are like you ty a squad. Pun said you trying to squad your terrior squad. I'm like, okay, I guess squad, but I mean I don't. And it wasn't that I didn't believe it. It was just like I'm from the Bronx and I don't believe we don't believe anything. Like talking said, she's going through said, right now, you still just trying to consumee trying to everybody's trying to console each other. But um, now you know, twenty two years later, like we talked about the time, I'm like, yeah, I really feel like in another life, like we were connected. Like I feel like most of our biggest moments are intertwined somehow somewhere, which is cool. I love it like it's my daughter's god father. I'm still gullible, like to a certain extent. And what I mean by that is I still have wishes to seeing all the Terrost squard members together. Yeah that's alciousious. Definitely, you know, I truly do, because the happiest I've ever seen pun was around his crew. Yeah. But this is the thing, what happens is and this is what I had to realize because when I think back, like you, you, we we go through so much when we think that we're grown, like what happened with us, like we all were forced to grow up really young. You feel old right now? Sometimes we feel old like people like god man, I'm like, you're not, Oh, shut up, you just feel old because when he was fifteen sixteen seventy. He was doing ship that phone people do, like I talked about like my son and my kids, like I had my son when I was really young. The ship he asked me for like I asked my mother for his age. I probably got knocked out, like she probably popped on me, like like by the time opposed, I was literally like taking care of my whole family. We had different responsive realities. We were doing things that adults do at very young ages. He was in the clubs, he was in the streets. So now that we're at that age, it's like, oh, I'm old because you feel like you know, did everything. But we were really not old, but we think we were so fucking young. I was so young and I was still in fucking high school when I met Punt. I was still in high school when I did any up. And and it's so crazy because now people we were grown, and people are said in their ways, they have their own things, and sometimes what people don't understand when things happen to you when you're really that it fucking traumatizes you. And I feel like some of the things that that happened, it's not that it can't be faxed it's just like it's no, it's it's no point of fixing it, if that makes sense, Like nobody nobody benefits because nobody's really distorted. I don't feel well, that's just a couple of people, like bro get over it. What But for the most I felt like everybody is in their own space and their own and it might do more harm than than better. Like in my opinion, that's really and this is this is this is actually a question. It's saying you stay out of the way with Pun's wife and all the controversy with Joe. How do you feel about this situation us the fun that's stupid, Like I'm let me tell you, I changed, but I'm still like maybe like I changed a lot deep inside him the same person, and Shi's not deep inside. She's just like a paper cut away. We're like like, but I'm really not, just like my first thing is to resort to violence, like I don't. I cannot take disrespect, I cannot think so And I feel like a lot of things that I know and a lot of people that no certain ship, they be trying to change navratives. Once time goes by, people trying to change navratives like even when his kids like people like, yo, you should do just like like his kids were really really young when when he passed away, he was and I feel like some of the things that they think or that they know about him, some things that more that they were told as opposed to that they experienced. And people just people are always going to feel a certain way, Like even even now, like I'll post Joe like not so much now because he's he's he's kind of turned into like this hiter that's like bigger than life, Like I think he's probably the most famous that he's ever been, like hanging with him because to take all the fame famous, but probably like we were in a space when it wasn't as much as it is now, Like people will come up whenever I post. Some people will come on my page and they stay like she's like, oh, he needs to be doing this, And people don't understand, like it's been so long that even our kids aren't kids anymore, Like the kids are adults with kids of their own problems. A lot of he be a grandfather right now, and and when does it come not be the responsibilit reality of you know, like that like even like with my own son, like people like, oh, he is a whole grown person that does what the fun you want to do, like if you watch your starf smoking, drinking, sucking, said like, I'm out of this, like like that's that's just the rules that I live. But I'm sorry, Like and I think it's just a touchy subject because he Joe feels how he feels, she feels how she feels. I know how I feel about it, and to just avoid those shows, I just I just stay out of it, like I don't wanna. I don't want to rub anybody the wrong way. And like I said, I didn't I knowing that I didn't know him as long as I as I thought what I did, But he never did nothing but good for me, I'm saying. So I can't nobody ever talk bad about him, Like you can't tell me nothing about this man. I don't give a funk what you say. Would you try to show me? Like to me, he changed my life and changed my life. When I saw my first deal, I took half of my advance and sent it over there like here, that's for his kids, Like like that's that's I don't know what else, Yeah, UM got going on or whatever films I may have, but I can't play a part in that because can nobody tell me nothing about this man like he changed my life? And and a lot of times I think people go through that, people like, oh, this person is a bad person and this person is You can't tell somebody how to feel about somebody to them, like maybe you may have to experay. And that's why I also so I get people to benefit of the doubt because people are like, oh, she did so he's this type of person. It might have been like that to you, that not to me, not to me, So it's hard for me. And I feel like a lot of times people people want people want the respect and the accolades and want you to praise them because their relation to relationships to a person. But when you talk bad about that person and you try the the dirt on this person's name and you cause harm to to the legacy, it's hard for me to give you the love or for the same person's name, Like it just doesn't make sense to me. Like people they'll be I see, I see hives do it all the time. They'll break up with their divorce their husband. He's a piece of ship, he's this he's that, but then I want to keep the last name and want me to give you some type of car belonged or cheat your specially way because you was the wife. No, he told me he was a piece of ship, right, So I can't like you. You gotta pick which one you want. Do you want to slander this person or do you want to lift them up? I feel like a lot of things over the years um with with Punt, I just I just don't I didn't understand the narrative of the goal that people were trying to trying to everybody was was was taking your stance for me and minding a business. And I think the part that made people take take picks was when she put out that tape. That tape made people say NOA, I get that, I get that, but like I said, it's hard. I see that, and it's horrible and it's the worst thing and you should never do that. But this person changed my life. I've never seen I've never said I've never seen that ever, you know what I'm saying. And then you go, Okay, if that is how you feel, and this is what you the picture that you want to paint, how can you then want me to compensate or take care of or show love or do whatever on the strength of the same person's name. It's just confident. It doesn't make sense to me. So I'm just gonna do nothing because they've never done anything something. I wish the best for his whole family. I would never ever want anything like I go in the same way if I was around him every day, I was around them every day, because he has family with him every single day. I'm saying, and like I was really young, I don't know a lot of things experienced this, Like I like, I'm older than you, but I'm not experienced with this. I don't have this. I don't have no other example of this in my life. You understand I'm saying. So I heard a rumor one time. I ain't gonna say who you say, and they just said, no, he just does whatever fact Joe says, and it's just like, that's not the truth. I ride with Joe whatever. If I feel Joe was wrong, it's just it ain't gonna be public. It's gonna be between me and him because that's one of my best friends. One of the problems of today is everybody feels like if it doesn't happen on social media. I get into it a lot with people that I know because I didn't shout them out on their birthday or I didn't post somebody that passed away. First of all, I just think that's fucking weird when somebody you like, when somebody like I'm said that, and I'm gonna say that, I'll be posting. I'm not searching through my phone trying to find picture like I don't. I don't even want to talk about like my grandmother passed away, like I was like, oh I didn't know then, because then I'm not posting my grandmother. But I don't want nobody to sething like if you know you know, like I don't want to like, hey guys, sorry, I've been off for social media for a week because my grandmother's like that ship is just weird to me. People that cry in the phone weird to me. What I is fucking weird. I look at you crazy. I don't care if you ever cry on social media you put up a video. Trust me, when I see you, I may say hello, I may dab you up, but I'm looking at you like you're fucking crazy. When you walked away, we talked about your dog. Um people that people that I know or the only person that I probably post. I might post my husband or my daughter because she's a baby, and um Joe Joe and says y'all says I need the love I need, but love me please, like it's my first So I'm literally forced because so but then I have other people that they were like y'o to throw me up on your birthday. First of all, let's just be clear, I trust people a lot of fucking money to post it on my page. You want to post on your birthday, I can't. You don't have your right now, Like I don't. I don't give a funk about social media, Like I don't. Like I have friends that literally they like, yo, you don't brag enough what like to me that it's just crazy because I'm just different. I go up around different type of niggas, different type of people that dudes that bragged about it. They were like corn balls to us, like you was like, use use a bozo like you bragged about your calls. You're like, actually you're probably gonna get robbed, Like oh really, you know what? Get them like like like you use a mark like you was a stain. But it's it's just hard for me, Like I'm not like literally after I have more friend she said, and she's like, I'm coming to your house that you don't want to start, I'm doing it. I'm going to the poll, I'm going to your closet. I'm like that to me that that's not cool to me, Like, I don't I don't get on. I don't feel I don't even feel comfortable doing that, Like it's just it's really weird to me. Like when people come like I don't even like people taking pictures in my house, Like I don't even like people. You don't live in my house. I be like, who a you're talking to better fact, that's cool, you a new words time for I don't want you on live in my house. I don't want to post the inside of my crab. I don't want to post my cars. I don't want to post my Jerry. I don't want to post any of that. That's just super duper weird. But we live in an era where that's what people do. That that that that's the thing I'm you know, SE's just on. I'm just a different type of person, So be clear, I'm not broke like just because you don't see it a quick time with right, Okay, all right, so the rules is this. You're smiling. I don't like it because this is everyone's part of the show. All right. We're gonna give you two choices, multiple choice. You can pick one or the other. If you pick one or the other, that's it, that's it. You're good. But if you most of the time people want to be politically correct. So if you pally correct, you say both. If you say both, or to take a shot, Oh no, but you can do the shot of wine. And we're taking the show, and we're taking a shot with you, and we're gonna were drinking hard, drinking hard. I'm probably I'm probably not gonna care. Almost positive. Everybody says that'll be lying. I really don't care. A cool hold on, let me you got an unopened bottle of my mo wana, I think it. Don't let me, let me let me smoke a god mother to them talking about we need to do that overall. You you live in New York. It's none of that. None of that. That's crazy contra for you can't even drink alcohol, which is leaving. If you can't drink like that that's what they turn it. Because now if you can smoke, if you want parole, which is crazy, that's crazy. You can smoke, what if you you can't drink? That's maybe makes sense alcohol? Does it to me? That just tell you that someone get my shot? Ready? Shots ready? All right? But zooming on that godmother right there? Ye all crazy because I'm call if I smoke this, I'm a gonna up that be smooth. Do you see that the filter that's in the smoking like a cigar? Let me smoking like you gotta smoke. It's the y'all. Y'all. Yeah, like it's the y'all. Okay, Queen Latifa m c L. Maybe you can take a shot and one a one. I'll see. Can I explain why I love them both? Actually talked to Light more. But when it comes to like the grandsling, I've always looked up to Lie. I super looked up to Light and I talked to her all the time. She's like assistance to me. But I feel like, well, she was the first one that looked like me. She wasn't like super light skin, curly, wavy hair, down a bag size too. She had on talk show, she had on record label she was. She was a fucking cover girl, crying out loud like she was, like when the makeup commercial came on that that was Lie, Like she did Broadway. She's like she did so much like that. I just feel like she's here. She's here, like light is here. But it's like she's just she's just in a space at her own like I think a lot of people that know probably don't even know that she was a rapper. That's how far gone she is. They don't know if she saw so I gotta give it to Lie not to take that Rock Kim or Big Daddy King. It was easy, No, it wasn't. I love I love rock Kim, but I know Kana do it right now, right now? What happened right now? I don't know if I killer doing right now. I see Jordan and my Magic Johnson to see each other, and Jordan said, putting your shoes, I'll take you right now, like what was happening at like each other. He's like, if we just shoes, I see it right because I know Kim would do it right now. Kim Mike too. I don't know that I know right now. King's gonna go okay, thank me later, that trying to take your shots. Problem. This is this is cool for us, Tupac or DMX. I'm taking a shot to this regardless X, I'm taking a shot to that. Cheers, And now you want to explain why you don't. I love dear backs. I love Tupac. I never met Tupac, but I love him too. I never bet him, I never met need them. Damn, Max is the only person on the planet Earth. Every time, not sometimes not moved to the time. Every time I've seen this nigger, he made me fucking cry. I don't cry. I'm not a crier. Like if I cry, move, go away, get far away, like I'm piste off about to get flipped up. Like every time I've seen this man, like he just the the ship that he was saying, and the passion like and his his his intuitive to know like what you needed to hear it. That moment was just fucking uncanny. And every time I've seen this man, he made me cry like and it wasn't it was like, none of you go to church. I don't know it was the last time you. Every time I go to church, it's weird too. I cry when I go. I'm like, I'm like, why the funk am I crying because I think about all the bad ships that did I gonna go to Hell. I don't want to go to ilse hide. I don't like what it hid like that goes to like I will die in hell, and so I get to take the summer. I don't want to show think something like I did enough. But when you pet church and stop, maybe you think about like ship stuff. I meet the qualifications and she was like, I don't know, but do they got cash after church? I don't know if they have, but the last time I went to church, I'm gonna tell you it really fucked me up. I walked past the room talking about the size of this room, and the entire room was filled with a T M S. It was a rule left that question I was. I was offended though, like I was just like, what the fun like? It's a cash business. I don't like it. I like that. But XMX, just because of how he personally made me feel fire and rest in peace to both yes bab or to kiss Yes, I love you fad but kiss yea even don't biggs on that versus only I'm just standing. I'm happy. That's That's one person. I'm happy getting spies. He gets so much money. Every time I see my like this, niggas getting so much money, and I love it. Two Sometimes it takes a little bit longer to get your bag. I love it. I love it. He's a spit up biggie or bigger Biggie yo yo, or lady of rage. Just gonna not let me give me an explanation, just gonna let me if I'm not taking the shots, I might explain it. I was. Actually I was on big El's albums, the first goal play, I've a Got yep, Yes he passed away, the tribal songs called tribal is me and him and fun't think of the other person because I'm vishing song to get high now. But that was the first plot I got. Really, I was on the Big but big is just different. Changed my life. Yeah, no, he changed my life. I was. I was hearing him change your life changed everything. And I thought I was big, Like I thought I was Like I was in the box one day hanging out with a girl right obviously before I was married, guys um And she said, and she said to me, the ship turned my life around. She said, it's boring I wish there was a biggie song out. She described a biggie song like it's like great advention. Like I was just like, and that's what I made super Dogs because I was like, I want that, Like she was a ball though she didn't know what you're saying. That changed the whole knew something. She didn't know what she was saying, like Big my favorite rappers, and not saying that there wasn't anymore, but like I was new dog fucking ice cube like that. That was the fucking West Coast hashh it grew locked like nonsim I'm saying. If you was listening to wrapping a car, like that's what she was listening to. When Big came out, it was like, wait, what he's talking about? Wall people in the train? Ship that you really go through when you know you gotta the train, you gotta take your fucking air rings off because you just fucking crazy. New York City, right right, ship New New York City. Now New York is giving me very much Back in high school days, you have to fucking tuck your fucking bookbag, doesn't eave your coat, harrying up, she's crazy, all right? Um so did we say yo, yo, lady, rage rage you want to give it. I like both of them, okay, right dicker or Eve dicker, let's see, or a little Kim. You ain't gonna make us stick a shot at all? What the funk? I love it? I love it. I don't know what I like. I like. I like both of them. Y'all asked questions when everybody obviously likes bore exactly. But you will be up here lying and I see listen, listen you because I said, Kim Kim, I love that Tan clan or d I t C. Sorry Joe, now I love them. Took me to get that snap. It was like beats me back then, like it was from this that he's like off, but it's fires like you listen, there's some dudes in the ruin they catch you under. That's a real scene. That's Joe. That's love. You might get jumped. Shout out to obsessed, like what I bought this baby like a fucking wou tang Onesie when he had his daughter you to throught. I brought him a fucking Gucci guys or something. Bro it's ten dollars. It's exclusive. Okay, podcast a radio podcast, repe guy, I mean, we dispect the radio. We still love you, just not as much as podcast. I mean, you know speedling, there's seedling. A lot of niggers here, right, It's changing a lot of artists, lots Juice or New Jack City. New Jack City definitely explained that one. Yes, please, Juice was fired Jack City. That should change people life. That's the carter, right, that's what That's what baby, you know, change artist lives. So fire everybody, Christopher Williams, everybody's track for that, because I ain't gonna live. That is just so fire, even though well it changed people a lot. Juice was Juice changed my life? I was so changed my life good we've seen um It was like I probably I'm really getting to see poc how we wanted to don't count and oh but New Jack City that should change like that should change everybody. Every crackhead was called pooky from him from nap point on to this day. If your lips as Chris, it made that movie made a lot of stars and made a lot of stars and made the people that was on the soundtrack stars. Just the way they was dressing was so like from here New Jack City all day. They should do that movie over them. I want to be Keisha. You could Capital Punishment or yeah baby, Capital punishment and I'm on your baby, but Capital Partner. Do you know what it was like the person niggas heard fucking Capital Punishment. That was the first time people heard by niggas could not But I remember being the Bronx like, what up, I'm gonna just go the new radeo right now, my button is about to be fucking broke like it was. It was so dope like this that you're saying on there. Yeah baby was when he evolved and he started to make his songs and he knew like the way you needed for the clubs and for the radio. I feel like Capital Punishment was just I thought every artist that's really a rapper, rapper, their first album is always the rhyme that they was running around tearing up the streets with, like running down on they're just wrapping and I got people's attention. Every album is their first album, always composed of those records. That's why sometimes after the sucon want to be getting kind of way because now they got money. Now. Capital Punishment remind me of food Budgets. One was the first nigg that showed me you got a food budget when you booked the studio. I went to the studio. He had five pieces. I was like, I went there. He was like, and I was like, wait a minute. He was like so free. I was like, it's not really free. It's not really you don't know. You don't know that too later that you don't know what you don't want cool like you U l A or Miami. Let's be careful now you're Miami m l A. I feel like you just did that class. When I come to Miami, I come to Miami to work. This is where I create, Like I got lock in with Cool and Dre. Almost every hit i'ven't made in my life I made here whom conceded to lean back all the way up. They were. So when I come to Miami, it's to get away from everybody because I wasn't gonna bother me here. But it's worked. When I'm in l A. It's like most of the time I will go to l A is because I'm having fun. Even if I'm working, it's for fun. Ok so um, And it's just different. I feel like a lot of Miami I could relate to Miami LA. It's so different. From how we grew up in New York and I just think it's dope. Like they talk different, different accents, different slang, just different everything. I'm that type of person, like different ships. I'm gonna go to l A tomorrow, um MTV raps or video music Box. That was a dub one that was not even a hard decision. I want to know which way music box? Like the fund are you talking about? That was a dumb question. Like you see Brown, I love that. Do you see the documentary US Box? No, it's one of the best you see and Massive Hill. They got like three documentaries on Showtime. All of them is hip hop and all of them is fucking awesome. But start with the Ralph McDaniels Video Music Box. Tell me the video documentary. Listen, And it's crazy because which lomentary is better TV or video music? But no, there's no, no, no, there's no documentary. But what the video music document because and you know what's so dope about it is you get to see Nas like go back into Fami Nas his interviewing everybody. It's his documentary. So he's interviewing for Ralph like this ship and like it's like Ralph is the big only and nas is a little only. It was just like Papa birthday party and Ralph hosted. It was like party eight early nineties party. I had Milk performed Give Chill Fresh before Black Moon, before Grandpool Ball. You're getting a lot of money because came through. I tell you, Pap was I think he helped. Hell, he'll tell you because he belong in the nineties anyway, like he belonged. I give him eight nine nine, going the latest, next three getting out of there, like but he um, it was so dope. He has so much fun. I'm sorry for anybody that I might have to name that perform, but it was a really dope party now in any category where you want yell, oh, yeah, he's a Gemini. I'm just being buy I understand you. Crazy motherfuck's always tries to say that same ship too. But if you knew I was crazy? Do you know all the ship that you said about me, all this bad ship and y'all done as vound to be for the rest of the your Like what the oh you really? Damn? I gotta look at myself in the mirror now, yeah right, this is bad when that crazy ship to you, Like, what does that say about you. This is what you want to be with me, Frank I do Kendrick go cold? Cole you want to explain or you have told soon, but I'm gonna just go cold like this one females is gonna dold your cat or dream Dog hm hm I dreamed Dog really nice New York City. She's just a nice person. I had my battle Rap event the other day and it's the doors opened at the Dream The show started at five. It was supposed to be over eight. I think it was like ten. She I invited her she rs VP. She came before the doors even open because she had another event to go to. I guess she didn't know about it prior to the time, but she just wanted to show face, like I really wanted to come and support you. So she came before the ship even started, popped in and like that's like some real show, Like she didn't have to do that. She I couldn't make it one of my event whatever. Like I I look at you like that like differently. It makes me look at the person like damn. Like she she really wanted to prove because she could have. I don't think I would have even thought about it. Like that, but you could send a message like yo, I couldn't make it. Something came up, people think you're bullshit. She went out a her way to come there, even though she hadn't even started yet, just to show face, like listen, if I could support you, if I could be here, I would be here, but I'm not. I could come now. I know I didn't start yet, but I'm here. So I just wanted to say now that that that was just doing with a lot of times you don't get that from from girls that's just starting become they'd be so scared to feel like they sucking a dead or they like so, they don't want to show love, they don't want to be tool like. So just off of that a law I fun. Yeah, I don't think she's a rapper, let's be clear with that. I don't they be put on a wrapper category. I don't think she's a rapper, but she makes stop records and I think she's dope. I'll go with told the so or XXL. The source XXL was more like the Hollywood type version, like it was like the batter version that the star stated, but when the source was what the source was the original nothing was with the source. When Bezino was at his peak with that source, niggas was losing their lives in the studio. When you was recording your album, all you was thinking about was five, that's all you want? How many mics was gonna get? Trying to get the cover of so Its like I remember trying to get the cover of Double XL. But that covered that source. That's that's that ship missing so and I think a lot of times when a certain should come out and they create this thing like they're bigger, they're the ones that still around, people tend to be like, forget what it was. The source of that they had, the source of awards, The source of Wars was fire. So you want to get anybody that was there was something they're gonna be. They're gonna be the Wars I won like four. I think I got like four. Thank you for for making me feel better about I didn't think about it like that, but I think that was pretty a big deal. It was a big deal. Backwards, I might maybe one might be for conceited, but the source of was like they had a fucking awar show. Outside of the bullshit that it was like that ship was the pinnacle that's what That's what Knights said, if you don't want it. That was like a lot of happened. The source of awards was a moment. It was that I would love to see a documentary and the sources. They're trying to do it, but I don't think ben Zino and they made should get a long enough to I tried to step to them with it's not that it's not that they can't get it long enough. They're not offering them enough money. No, they can't get a long enough. They can't get long enough because they separated. Now them both, I just feel like she might doing it. Everybody get along potentially, let's not getting along toler right, that's the right because we met within and David they was they was listening. But yeah, but that's when it was together, right, Okay, So moving on because we're gonna get out of here, get French or ross your first shot. How much has I got a drink? No, it's just just a tiny, tiny bit. It's a tiny bit. It's a tiny bit. Yeah, she's taking a Nah, I'm gonna be honest. I equally love them. Vote for a lot that's so far solo cis slot slot I'm surprised. Nah, that's just was gonna be the first one of them. I know both of them from before any of us was big. That's finally I have serious of me and bors when nobody knew who works was serious of me, Like French used to do karaoke in my house and the projects with me. Literally like boys, I met me smoking weed in the projects in my staircase, in the back staircase. I don't even know if you remember that. Sh like them niggas, I could call either one of them right now. I need a right gad to do the video. I need like and it's gonna happen like I can't. It's very hard. Two of the two people. There's a couple on the industry because no niggas get up and they start fucking acting stupid, like y'all, I snacked the shot off. This holds on all right, But this one, I don't know where you're gonna go with this one because you big these both. Oh gosh, Paple Joe, No, No, you're not sorry the mob deep or m O P. It's another shot man, it's not. You don't fucking know that. It's fucking bad, Like my tolerance is very like Jess got over Parole. Okay, so let me spling right, So first of all, and what'll he changed my life? It changed my life physically took my life and changed it from what it was to something else with one record, one feature, with trusting, trusted in my craft to be on their record. They didn't know me from nothing, the only record I had had. I think it had a lot to do with Punt when they found out, like, oh it was the girl that was on punts album. I definitely think that. But and please give yourself problem for your drive to get on that record as well. I wasn't playing. And let's be clear, you killed that if you ain't kill it, because if you go after I told you the years that I lived in Queens, right, So then you came se me and told me they lived. I saw them like I saw them like becoming what they was like Like I remember one time, quick story, this kid, I was in the Bronx. Remember I told you I living in Queens, so I should be back and forth. That was really the cute Queens and the Bronx. That's I'm in the Bronx. This particular weekends, Guy's trying to rap with me. You know you mean wrap like, but he don't know that. On the weekdays when I'm in school, I live in a story. Ever we're going back for I'm killing this nigga. The nigga goes to me, surety don't find you better, act like you win it frightened like you never tit it, pitch amitt it. I said, you fuck him because marm T was back then. I like y'all, so it was so embarrassing. I would have been from Queens Like at that time. I wouldn't know, like you got to take a shot for that farmers dream. That is crazy. But that is crazy because I would go back home to the Bronx on the weekends and I'm with to school and say when my mom on the week days, story is right next to the Queen's but dad just came out with him. I don't even know how this nigga knew that ship because that ship was like cracking it all our house party. So yeah, I can't this one. I think you're gonna it's probably going. I'm not sure if it's easy for you or not, because you New York City just like me. The locks are dip set locks and I love I used to go to Gym's house on Sundays and have dinner. He wasn't even there with his mother. Loved them. I probably just talked to els mom the other day. Love them. But the locks, Once again, I was older. I kind of came out around the same time as so I got to see them to it. The locks, they made you want to rap. They dum DMX, sucking hole big everybody else at that that little pit mace. They made me want to rap and be nice. Fire caress won to cool g rap that's gonna be that a good I'm gonna go ahead, like load my cell phone up from the motherfucking Bronz carrass. Okay, okay, all right, this is the very last question. If g rappers on the Punt's favorite rappers was gonna be Now I'm from the Bronx. What was you talking about? I got a repasent for something I never was like rap. I have to go through the hood. I still pop out cares what just dropped the new albums? He told me somebody, Yeah, somebody told me to come to his show. Was like, I tell him to call me. If he called me, it will fucking smoke somebody. I watched him on that versus. I was like, who do you roll with this? When when he screamed it rocks in and said it straight. But why would you say that we're gonna talk about your verses? That was he never said that. He look at the job, was like, we're doing this right. Last one is the last one? Last one? Loyalty or respect? You see? Yeah, I mean if you loyal to me, people could respect you, but I'll be loyal to you. They could respect you like I respect we do. I respect how you carry yourself, but my loyalty is over here. Person that with my loyalty is the motherfucker's loyal to you. Y'all can get into a fucking argument like a fight if you want to kill you, But if they lower you, they ain't never gonna funk with your ops when you gotta stop speaking, they ain't never gonna like because they're loyal to you. I don't funk with you. Yeah, we disrespecting each other. They got crazy, but that be the case. Maybe I don't even like your ass, but I'm moll you to you so so, but I'm a chill. I respect respect your didn't still do You're sitting there. Sometimes you're like, it's like, no, fucking crack his sucking egg. Why does he playing with me? Because they just don't loyal to you, do you respect you, but they're not scared of you or they're willing to deal the consequences. So yeah, I'm gonna take a shot to that little Oh yeah, you didn't have to put I'm talking about. I know you'll think, likely promise you I'm snacked, But I want to tell you something that I know you don't know, and I know I'm probably never gonna you gotta finish. You gotta take your shot though, because you know we gotta be even here. Um, I'm gonna tell you something that I know you don't know, but I don't know what in the world. No, And I'm probably not gonna be popular for this. What what this? This person? Me and Foxy's are cool. We're cool, right, you know, you know we have bang bang together. Whenever we have an argument. She and this is something I know you don't know. She always brings you up in the most respectful way and goes That's the one thing I can tell you is Joe is always buying me side by the way She's coming at me and she's bigging y'all up, but she's disrespecting me. It's something will happen and I won't agree with that, but like what wait with me? And then she'll bring this up to me and I'm sure she's never gonna talk to me again for bringing this up. But I mean, I just gotta be honest. And I know you don't know that that's that's that's something that she admired you about. Um no, I didn't know, but I'm gonna say something. And it's probably because I'm fucking high and I said I wasn't gonna get high and dropped for hey, So she just likes me. I don't know why. I really don't know why. And I thought she not dislikes you like she dislikes just like I think she doesn't. I think I swear to Should I let you talk first? Yeah? Okay? Um, we have like runnings back before I before I went away. But stupid ship, stupid rap ship me like I told you, I come from my battle world was like yo, any of these bitches like what I wanna do? I thought of it like a sport. It was like under me. I didn't will lost in the industry, like that was disrespect If somebody say, don't want to battle you over that, that was a disrespectful thing, you think, whatever the case may be. So you know, I was young, I was different. But when we was we were both locked up. I don't know if people noticed we were both on right and still and at the same time. No, I did not realize that we were both on on right sil and at the same time. And she was in one area, I was in another area. When I came to we was actually both in the same areas around the same time, but they had us in protective custody against I will not because you chose to be like appointed to you know, um protective custody and so like you know, we were going to visits and like you know, we was in the same area for twenty three hours or whatever, and then then she got moved. But um, we had kids. We had a moment like while while we was in there, Like it wasn't directly, but it was like, um messages that was sent Like dude, like you know that they have the reverend jail that goes everyway, so when you locked and your kid come out, they come to your door for ministering whatever, and I thought we were like in a different space. And then I came home and it was just like the same type of crazy at tension from before I went away, and I was just so confused, like I thought we were somewhere else, especially like both of y'all being mothers and coming home from from mom. Yeah I mean now, but yeah, it was. It was just weird. And then we had very like I know what was going on in there, like you asked, anybody want me to jail? Like I give it up, like it was I'm just I'm just me. But I'd be sitting there like and I never I've never told me stories of like what was really going on on the other side that people wouldn't be too problems. It's just to be like, yo, what's the problem. I just didn't understand and then obviously stopped caring if I ever cared before. But I remember one time something had happened with us. I guess she might have called you and he was like, like I funk with rep like that. That's like she was like mad at you. I mean you went there and I was like, you got boxing matomy? What did you deal? And I'm like I don't fucking know, Like I'm at a point in my life right now, like it's certain certain beats that I had that I don't know if fucking jail gave me ptsd Orf, I know definitely with my memory, Like certain ship I just don't remember. But I just don't care about ship no more. Like so when people be saying a little shit about me or throwing shots and should just be weird to me because I just don't have that energy towards people. Like when I say some ship or if it's wrapped, what's whatever, then that's cool. But like in real life and real life, I'll be telling like I gotta I got my son's grown, I got my little baby, I got my husband at home, I got all these different businesses that I'm trying to do. And I think a lot of a lot of the tension that women, especially women wrappers in the industry and women not even just wrappers, females period in the industry. But if you're all in the talk area of y'all actresses, like y'all video fixings or whatever then they called nowadays, there's always attention, but it's always created outside. It's never really nothing that the person could pinpoint that happened between them. It would be these narvoutives where if you're similar or if your opposite, people always put your names together and then you end up having a real beef with somebody that was really about nothing, like really no real tangible ship like obviously after she started transpiring, it was able like a like she said this or I said that, but if you try to go down to the nitial route of the problem, that should be really starting with the problem with you. And yeah, just not just me and her, just like artists because at one point, sorry, sorry to cut you, it just felt like females y'all just wouldn't even be in the same room. But that's what it wasn't us though, not just the fans, but now it's most of the fans. Back then it was most of like the camps, like get record labeled with NAS and was kind to be a big but I don't even know, but even still not even the ship and that got along. It was it would be like literally like no, don't do a song hard, you're gonna give her light or you're gonna show a hard or like it was just like literally the record labels, the exact like all of that played apart. Now it's most of the fans and fans like if they have somebody over here that did like and somebody that comes up that tends to be competition, they just like create all same ship to where you start feeling like and then you click on the page like you follow them, Oh God, why are you following them? But you mean I following them because they said some other nice ship about you. We know there's gonna go bad, but I think I just think now I'm just out of space in my life. Well, I don't care. Like most of the ship that, like rad Beef is fake to me. Like I when I'll be saying ship, I'll say something in the rom or I'll say something in my caption, they're like, oh, she's talking about song. So like regular people being to the regular people pissing me off way more the celebrities most of the time. If something we always think it's about some fame is they don't bother me. It's the fucking regular people with my life that be fucking below in my immediate Yo, I seen some ship like Nigga's saying, I was the fake me pep sacrifice to me I was like, what, wait, sacrifice you to go to jail. No, he's sacrificing j I'm a clone all type of show. I feel like people relieve what the like when you get they never never think I've been told I'm gonna take a shot. I've never got I've never enough chier. Like I think a lot of things, like when we look at like the nas and jay Z's when you look at the Gucci mane and he'd be like, oh snoop and fucking shook snoop taking over death roll, like you would be like yo, like because I should be like, y'all, I hate you. I hate you for the rest of you, like sucking dog, fucking parakeet everything but now, yeah, fucking parakeet. I don't have to watch like but when you get it's it's not I don't even think it's a certain age because let me be clear, like I saw the feeling like this. I think when you get to a certain place in your life, you'd be like that ship. I really don't care. I don't even think about it. And some people, unfortunately, I feel sorry for the people that never get there. You've got some people that they just stuck stupid, like they just be angry that. I promise you I was just I just put up the post this morning. I wake up every day and my goal and likes to see how many times I could die laugh like I want to laugh at some to my slumming Kurt talking like I gotta pee, my cheeks got a cramp, like everything I'm crying. I love this energy. That's what I want to feel, like, that's my goal. Like and then I go home at the end of the night, talk about the ship. We laughter out. I don't want to be angry. I don't want to be mad with white people. I don't want to be none of that ship Like that ship is fucking So at the end of the day, we would like to have you on Foxy at peace be a minimum. I'm I've been at peace. I promise you I've been at peace. Sometimes it may not appear like that, Like I said a lot of times that you pull something or through like something people automatically and try to associate it with another famous person. I interact with way more family members and regular people than I do with sebrities, like I see them at advance and like that. But I promise you I'm really at that point in my I don't care. I don't care. That's why I started my rap league, That's why how do you? And Kim kind of like, yeah, how did how did? It? Seems like at one point, let me just look at it. I'm outside looking at right, but I'm still a fan. It felt like at one point it was like y'all three was like like and then it was like you like a friendly Kim or Kim befriended you. I don't know which, because all three of y'all did a bit. I was just thinking about it. It was all locked up like around the same song. It's crazy. They just fucking slavey Well, I can't get this head munch. They rocked my I mean, you know, so this is my thing with Kim, I promise you. I cannot. I try to think of it sometimes. I don't know really what it was that triggered it. I have no idea. Like people somebody asked me everything like but how did you fall out? Was? I have no fucking clue. Yeah, I think it was something that I said in the interview, like not even trying to be fun because I always sucked with her. I always liked her um, but I may have answered the question and they asked stupid questions. You don't want to think about how it's gonna sound or what I mean, you don't give Yeah, she said, you're not even trying to be harmful, not that you're just talking. I'm gonna not realize the impact that it is going to have. I think I might have did an interview or something like that happened and it just went left. But when I tell you, when I came home, I came home and we was at a fad party. Was that fad birthday party? It was just like we're seeing something like yo, like just natural or get it. We didn't have to talk about it. We didn't discuss Hey, let's just like forget the PA. It was just like an instant, like this ship is stupid, like look at chall hugged each other and we took a picture, exchange numbers, saying ever since like I can, like I keep saying, I gotta make my business. I want to get to the house. I have to come over, like because we talk a lot to be a text, but we don't need to like physically be around each other. But she's so fucking cool, like maybe pissing me up sometimes, but like damn it, we was like this, like she would have been crazy. Like a lot of times you miss out on having a crazy ass moment because of some stupid ship like this ship rap ship. Ain't nobody never hurt my children and nobody ever Like like what I'm saying, this ship is fucking dumb. At the end of the day, everybody knows who nice. Everybody put in work, and that's and that's just not to take away from them. I put in world Fox and put the world Cam, Nikki, Cardi, Megan, Oh, everybody didnt put in work. Niggas talking about, Oh who got this much of money? Who's so much disrecords? We always broke. You look at anybody show. We always broke. We always pulled. Anybody got money, anybody got money, anybody got cars, everybody got Jimmy, niggas got husbands. Now kids. I'm not trying to be on the like I know they're like, oh, now, Ram, it's hot, she's drunk, she's something. I just don't care. Like nobody's trying to nobody. I've been there but a long time. Nobody's trying to go over to jail right now, because they see somebody and want to ask some like nobody nobody wants to be away from their kids, nobody wants to be away from the husband. And ship is fucking music and everybody is up. So what I was saying, like it got to a point where I had to sit back and I'm like, niggas be talking about, Oh, she got this or she said this. We all fucking a million times better than we started. I started everything. I don't know any rappers that was rich before they started rap it don't it writes poor. Everybody came from the bottom, so anywhere where you at right now is a fucking plus from where you at. So like, I don't explain that to people, will try to explain it to people because the outside of the people with thumbs that are fucking poe. I'm so mad they made phones affordable. I'm not even gonna finds every phone. Every pay bills like a band of money. And if you social media shot, think about it broke before. When you broke, you'll say anything like mean nothing. You just want to funk with people all day. Trust me, I'm not speaking because I got money there. I'm speaking from the perspectives of here's the crazy ship. You don't even understand that the person you're talking about who has all this money that damn comment might funk with you for that day for that name. We don't at that ship. And you'd be like, justin just call me, I'm bird feed. I don't even know if that's like you don't even call me bird feed, Like I don't know what was that? Like? You know differently, you know, never felt like I'm just saying I'll just give you example, but let me just have so Swiss beach embling call you the mom say Ram, I want you to do the verses? Yeah, but it's your choice, Okay, who you want to battle in verse? I got with those verses? You don't want to do verses. I don't feel like I only put out one album and as long as I've been in the industry, like I'm only put out one song catalog based. I feel like obviously it's based on your songs and like inst that you do. It is not now if you're saying this that you want to do a verses that we got saying it romp like where the fight? Yeah, like a lot of old like people want to play a record nigger freestyle, real bad. We're gonna pamper pen fucking who line them up, like, let's go like it is with this, but songwise, like, I've only put out one album solo. I put out Ship with a Terroft squad album with all of us, and I put out an album with me and Joe. I've never did any other so so I don't. I probably have twenty different features and ship that I'm on, but I just feel like I'm not where a lot of people are in music. I was gone for half of my career. I was in prison, so you know, it limits me. Guess I could have put out an album since I came home, But the music industry has changed. It's not like how when you will put out a song when people I don't even think people want albums. People ask a with the album, but they don't really want the albums. People want singles, People want moments. People want sucking a little piece that they really liked that they could use on their trailer. All right, see that? Um so I don't. I don't really know. And I'm sure Pap was He's gonna see some like why did you say that? But that that's how That's how I feel. But also I enjoyed. I enjoyed. It was like one of the most funnest performances I've ever did with Joe. He did um that ship was stressful, Like I've never felt like that in my rap career ever, ever, ever? Why this nigga was cool to me? Every day we had arguments over the fucking list what songs we was gonna do with songs he wasn't gonna do, what part of it he was gonna do, the fucking outfits. It was a fucking headache, like change my number. Then he tells me, like fucking two days before you know what, I decided I want to do the whole deep cover, So you want me to remember your face of the urban Christian family children like and the villa jel, the nerves of the Catherine feeling and saying this doesn't man's jealous, but I can do it now. Before when I said, I was like, I don't really know. You're not even singing super for mad years and you think you know it, listen to some shing that you thought you knew. You don't really know that ship, and I'm performing that. I'm thinking of the people that's day. I'm thinking of the fucking people that's watching, and I'm like, I'm never I'm not that sype of artist. I say if people ask me something like do you get nervous? So you where we were? I never, like, listen send me. I never get nervous. I swear like I've seen people. I did my fucking um Queen's get the Money card. I was watching some of these bad rappers. They were so nervous, like crying Captain, there's a bathroom for the Norris. If I did that every time I had a performance, I wouldn't I would not be able to be artists. I would not be able to take that anxiety. I've never gotten nervous. The three times in my career, in my life when I've got nervous, like really like scared, I don't. Got on stage with Beyonce Calda brought us out all type of crazy ship and I'm just like, let's go, let's go, like I'm hyped. When I had to do em C light paper thin, what was and I had to do paper thin? I knew the words. I knew the words since I was I was so scared. She's sitting right there. I'm fucking nervous and ship second time, another tribute to Mr Elliott and of course they give me, they give me. I think it might have been this was another hip hop to it. I think it was. It's the song where she's wrapping backwards. Is it worth it? Let me work it? So I know that. I'm like what the fund say? But yeah, she said it right there, and I'm like, oh my fucking and then i have a dance routine or that I gotta focus on super nervous. The third time it happened to me in my life is going forty eight hours before Versus Joe, decide semple to do the whole thing a deep cover before forty eight hours because I know that normally when we're performing together, I'll do that in the middle whatever. Everyone thinks that that's the hard part. It's really not. It's the fucking second part that he says, and I'm like, oh my god, Joe, why are you doing this to me? I didn't say anything to him, because you know, over there they think I'm like superwoman. They go in the studio they called me the versus lad. That's how we all feel about you, right, Really, I'm able like I'm wondering a few are some artists who asked it for a feature. You're wining four months like minimum, but I write really fast going there, so like they think, like I could do. I'm stressed the funk out. I got it on we play. I'm driving around in my car listening to it. And for whatever reason, because I know the two things. I don't want to let Joe down, I don't want to let the fans down, and I definitely don't want to be caught sucking up puns, fucking lyrics. I funked up on two words. But people don't know. They would have to really listen to. It's like very very minimums, like a present of an I said, a dog, some super ship whatever. I was so stressed out. Versus is a very very stressful situation, Like I don't know why, because I guess when you watch it that should kept us through the whole pan did so we tuned it. We know watching like I was fucking stressed. So just off of that, like I'd rather not like I watch it. I'll be a fan. Thank you, guys. I run on. Whoever wants to do Versus, I ain't ready. We want you to do versus, who are going against Treeno already went even already went, I love their versus. It's cool. I wish even could have been over here. I thought her that too, going against the dude. I was told the path pools at first, but I said they do that in the kitchen way. The bus run what bus? The bus have been dying. He's being in somebody to destroy any place. Nobody don't want to bust the shop. He kept cool enough that Joe, I'm like stopping me. I don't want to see. At one point you did come up to job. He's like pussy. John was like, I did not. I don't just say that he was just yourself. He was like, because I just like it was. It was on deep cop everything. It's one day seven on its cocksucker job Niles. I sorry, sorry, he's gonna say it in the moment, but she said that job faced the job was like, we're not really doing that, like you know what, got a little catua sorry, you know up with him. He's school. He's another one that where he was really really big, like when he was Drake. Because at one time they don't want admit it. And one time was Drake who was and I'll be sure like mixed together. I love I'll be you know when he was like that and um, we was on Twitter together. That's the first thing I went on. He was headlining and a job route to the first time I ever went on to which I rolled. Um, and I just remember him just like he was like bigger in life, but he was always cool, Like even to this day, he'll see me. I don't gotta be with Joe nothing. Man, what up? How's the family likes? It's very few people that get to that mark in their career year, like, you know, regardless of what people perceive him as. Now I'm saying I'm one of those people. I don't forget. And he kept it regular. A lot of you'll be surprised a lot of disguise and girls they get to something and then they'd be acting different, Like I want to be understanding that. I don't feel like I could ever act different. I don't know how I tried it. All the time. I'll be like, I'm like, all right, I'm not gonna be grad shit, I'm not gonna saying nothing. I've learned to control my mom. It's to face your expressions that we're giving me away. I'm just saying, yeah, have you that, babe? I'm like what he would get face like, oh it can't wear your your heart on your shoulders. Yeah. Like I'm working on the facial expression, the mouth I got under control. But sometimes I just been saying, I'll be so confused. Wow, people really like this. But you know, so now this part ain't a note. I'm looking at path and fact Joe's but this is not a note. Okay, this is this is me because, um I remember at one point, you know, I'm very close to Joe, Like, um, I'm a Terrasco. Remember that that's not terros Sco, remember right, I got gotta change though I'm outside. So so at one point you and Joe have this fall out. I don't remember much about this fall out, but the part that I do remember was him not understanding why us all being an artist, we all have this moment. And I had it to where it's like I did this ship. I don't know what the like, Yo, you know what I'm saying. Like I had it with Trash where I just felt like it was all me and I wanted to be out of contract, and I cursed him out and and he eventually let me out the contract. But it's that that. So what was what was the moment you felt like you and Joe went wrong? Well, I don't remember the precise momenta, but once again, looking back, I realized how young I really was. You knows how young he was because we're like we forget, like when you're when you're nineteen two, somebody that's thirty, and then you get older, you'd be like a nigger that's thirties really just as dumb as exactly. Really, I didn't really evolve that much. So that's the first thing. Um, I realized his age because I remember, like I thought about it when I was locked up, and I love him and I always loved him. It wasn't about I thought I had did everything by myself and I felt like I was. It was never that I felt like in the Crazy was the second album. First album I only had one album was the Squad album and then my solo album. It was certain things that I want to implement it and it wasn't how old that realized he couldn't even control it. We was signed to so I see it was signed to Columbia or Universal Universal, and it was just certain things that like you when you're young, you think like to me, he was like fucking Superman. Anything I said I wanted it was done. Anything I said I want to happen. So at the time we had just came off like you know, lean back and take me home and all of our con sol for the terrof Square album, and he was doing his album Atlantic, and I just felt like I just wanted him there. I just wanted him there like every day even though he was doing like it never occurred to like now may Ship and I get it, like we two separate artists. If I'm booked here, his books somewhere else, then I cannot me like, cancel the show. You're fucking crazy. This is my first video shooter. This is like whatever, not really factivate then, like Nigga's got families that they gotta be too. Niggas paying me seven to be here. Now the smart me and that educated me and the business wise me, Yeah, I know that. Then I'm just young. I'm just like I don't give a funk what it was you're supposed to be here, like and then just even the way Ship worked, like we know both of us way more about the music business and the industry and just how she worked. We didn't really know then and I was mad about that. And he's who he is, like, he's very He's the fucking leo. They think they know everything. October not August right before. Yeah, my son is a leo. My DJ who's sucking probably the second person that visit me the most of the path literally then it will leave his job. And if I'm on the phone talking and say hey, I wasn't peanut butter cups, He's like, all right, I'm gonna come now my lunch break, like when the adj bed Tom but um, yeah, I think I don't even really know, like which is sad? I don't even I can't even pinpoint what was the issue. And that's what I say about growth, Like when you're something back, you were like, what the fun was the issue? It wasn't in in the pen where you realize I was about to come home. Okay. It was probably like two years our a year and a half. And the first thing was like this thing is talking at fifty six nah, right now, you and you didn't find I didn't get okay, okay, okay, all right, let's slow down. As the fans listening right. At one point when Joe and Fifty was beef, and that was that was just as bad as him and jay Z. I was devastated because you love Fifty. Yeah, And was the screpancy between you and Joe? Was you hanging with fifty or you was sometimes coming around? Yeah? But it wasn't again Joe mad. It was. It wasn't like, oh yeah, I'm with your enemy, but it was just like like niggas fun. And this is why, this is why when two people that I know have a problem, my mama fucking business, because when they start speaking, you look crazy. If you pick this up, you look fucking insane, like you coming around me, and he'd be talking about my blood. Yeah, because when y'all, when y'all get cool again, I'm gonna look crazy. This is a prom fucking example as so. But I like that getting mad at me when I laughed for the joke. So I'll be like that joking somebody, I'm cool. You listen. I don't know how my face looked by the way. Listen, you'd be surprised as certain people that I was like, yeah, I would never with this person girl organ ever again. And then they have me, said him, be like I really don't care, like when literally that comes up because I used to I used to look at people where like that, like how these things cool? Are you kidding me? Just because it is corny, like because my brain at the time couldn't fathom from where it was to like hide and that you're cool, Like I was really perplexed, like a certain like unions that I've seen people do, not just not just I called him, No, I called him while I was there. I forgot who I called. That's the cold somebody to get a number to put on my list. So I had to call him and he's on the phone and he's like um, yeah, like yo, what up? What up? It was good, was like what do you want to say? What do you want to say? Like literally you're sitting there like doing like a echo. Was like I meant you met you too, I love you? I love you too. Like she was just like like yo, like I'm sorry with it, and she was just like literally, it's to the point now that if we disagree about one little thing, like now, whatever you want to what do you wanted to know? What do you want to do? You know, what do you want? Let's do whatever you want to do because we never ever want to get this still, you know, fightened we just you can see the all type of bullshit show. You okay with that now, I'm okay whatever you say. That's what it is like. It's just fucking weird. But I mean when I came home and the first time I said, I want to go seeing he's in go to gym host in a basketball game the first time I see just the first time I seeing each other since I've been home, and then and have pat with me and they tap it up and it should be just while he was away. It was to me because he really wanted to punch me in the face. It's like we get big brother for me manager. So trying to start a fight with your boyfriend or your baby father like one of those types of situations. Actually all families, but crazy. This is the crazy ship. All the ship that they went through. The niggas is fucking tag team. Who you questions trump questions from why with fucking with questions to ask why you told me? I'm pretty sure they sat there together, like I'm gonna telling you this, and I'm gonna tell you could we see you on your pressed one? But there ain't no family like this right for you? I do something that pasted like he can't get past me. I'm just on my bullshit. I'll get a read because says without without was going on now, that was going on up with you and I'm chilling, that's up with the family now that like chilling says like she's ridiculous that he does the same thing with me and how he's like yo, So you really don't that ship that Joe was so much like this ship is unbelievable, like I've never had this happen before. Ever. It's beautiful, it's a wonderful thing. But I don't like that ship. And I get I like both of these niggas at the same side. They're annoying book nigga and b I don't know what they heard is me alone. So we established the problem with Joe. We spoke about Sheeta a little bit earlier and this correlation, but we never actually spoke. But what are you and Nikki ever? Like friends? Do you ever consider her your friend? Did you ever consider her your colleague? I don't. I don't like friends are such a strong world. But like, like we had conversations, like Kim said, I love Kim, I do, I do, I don't. I don't have that relationship. We never got a chance to get there. But we're happening because old footage of you and Nick right back in the days, y'all sitting there right then. This we have no idea. But for the first of all, it's been five years, like literally like two days ago three is that his Sheeta I came up and see like more close than that, But it's been five years just because people keep bringing it up the same closer, but it's five years ago. But um, I never saw that one coming. I never because I felt like we had a conversation with because I've been in this predicament before where I was a girl just coming in even though I had been out before. When I came home, it was like me coming in and I was like, just give me another coup keep. I was like, we got wonderful things. I just always felt like anything I say, people are gonna say I'm talking about hard. Anything you say, people want say I'm talking about me. So let's make an agreement that we're never talking about each other, like like the conversations, like just telling us like a conversation back and forth and I feel like any woman should you're supposed to feel like you were supposed to get on a song, but like, yeah, I'm number two or I'll never be like no, I was supposed to talk like you bitched you the ship just let's never let it get there. And it was just certain ships that that transpired behind the scenes messages that I've seen that I know wasn't like, you know, fabricated. And I was just like like nah, like cause it's take one moment to change somebody this whole career. And the ship like what I'm saying, Like I've seen people where after certain ship happened, they then deemed as a specific type where they was never looked at like that before. And I was like, I'm not nothing that happened to me, Like it's just not it's just gonna happen because that what was the I can't even think of his fucking messed up Biggi's lyrics and its act like he was the worst fucking rapper and the playing it no not young though right right like fire like I really like I was listening, I was somewhere and it was like playing ah so and I was like, nah, he really was fighting. They was really trying to cancel him because he messed up my lyrics from my fucking artists from a whole other place that he's from, probably didn't even know. Like people crazy, people are crazy, you got to be. You say anything, you cancel. I don't know why it ain't cancel me because I'm be saying crazy ship. I don't even be caring. Like and Nikki, where did it go? I don't know? You don't know well, I like I said, certain ship from behind the scenes, but would cause the ship? I don't know. But you're good A good space now, um, not that I know of, not a bad space. I mean in my opinion, not from my my same point. Like like I said, I'm in a different place in my life. I'm not trying to find nobody. I'm not looking for nobody like I really am, like just in a different sace after a certain time. And that's right now. And I know that store doesn't exist no more. Like what the hell is saying that? That was my next question? What is saying that? That was? Like Mac's before Macy's was either of alright, Dad, it's right, all right, bird off, good man, y'all, bird doorf Goodman or what was it? What's the other ships? And you walk in and it's you and Pat and it's Nikki and Zoo love right, I mean I don't. I don't see anybody acting crazy. You're all rich, real, you know, like I don't. I don't see it, But I don't we pray for peace. I've never been You're not trying to be funny, like I've never been anywhere with me and bad but anybody did anything to us like like not saying like we're this big east but we get a certain amount of respect and we give respect. And I think that's why I speciprocated. But um, I don't see like like what would be the reason this at this point? And like I said, I don't take rap beef seriously, I don't brilliant even in life. I don't at this I don't have beef for anybody right now. Have had beef for a long time, like be for like the fucking Garbageman when he decided it was to come at seven one day, nine the other days, like I'm beef for him, like the way about that for the ladies like sound like Magan the Stallion, remy Ma, Nicki Minaj those your cat a city girls, A lot of city girls that shouldn't be fined, like could be the self destruction. Let me tell you something I've done, and I mean that don't know that was a record back in the days where everyone was on because because people saying like you when the girls go self destructions from Ladies Night to self destructions, you know what I mean, look like like a scenario like because we don't get that from the females. I think I think it's been happening more lately, maybe not so much with artists that on that mainstream platform, but a lot of girls they do work together, and I think we've got over that um right now, the younger girls are working together because I feel like they got over they like what I feel like now, like I really don't have a problem with you, like what the fun was. It's enough money out here, it's enough space for everybody to be who they are. But I felt, like I said, I feel like a lot of times the fans do that a lot of times, just the labeling in itself, the way they were trying to project you as an artist. We don't want to mess you with this artist just yet unless we feel like it's beneficial. So um, that's crazy. We even say, don't mess you with this artist. Yeah, like girls, she's just crazy that she is stupid. Like but I literally I just did a record recently. I took all the girls that was on my rap league and I had them all do eight bars and put it together. I'm gonna let you hear before this. She's sounds so crazy. It's literally eight girls all from different places, is in the country, and then I put minds on this, so I guess it makes it nod and everybody. I gave them the same beat. Jay Wright produced it. He produced bo that Yellow. I like it, Um Savage a lot by twenty one, Savage that Keys. He's screaming me win the whatever, um And I just sent them the beat. I was like, if nobody never heard Drew, never seen any of battle raps, don't know where you're from. This is the first time they ever hear eight bars, what would you do? And I said, everybody the same record and even the same thing and just put together. Sounds amazing. Well, female battle rap artists face the same thing that male battle rap artists face, and that means a lot of people of battling you don't necessarily. Almost all the girls that I've runned so so far sound amazing on the song song and I kind of no good songs. When I heard him, right, I've been a lot, and most of them I didn't start out on. I heard it was like, oh, hold on coming, I'm talking for a minute. I heard you bullied your way all the way up or leaning back back, leaning back. It wasn't really a bully, and it's just more like, take that's the past question. And that's how he worded it. I'm worded like that as my cousin. You know that. I know that fake cousin. But he said you bullied your way my way on like that word alright. First of all, what happened was recording. He's recording first. He's like, oh, when I saw the first one, that means I gotta file where. First of all, we were working on the Tever Squad album was down here in Miami. Um this particular night, I was in the studio and I was trying to hear what Joe had did the night before, and I knew Scott such happened in there what but for whatever reason I hadn't been there, Who knows? But and I missed a session, so I'm listening to what this ship comes on? Bum bum b. I'm like, old on, what the fund has happened? That this is his first verse? It's the second verse, because this isn't ever way there was three verses on the song. I said to the engineer, take that fucking second verse out right now, please in destroy to this day, I actually said, I was like, who was the second verse on? There? Like I got that ship so out of here, nobody even never even made it to another song, and the method that ship was loosening to fucking metaverse. Put some microL I'm gonna mooove. I put my version on to the easy into the that's it rocket save it. So the next day when Joe comes in or later that Nate, whichever one, and he's listening to the records, he's playing all the records back and I'm just sitting there like, surprise, surprise, motherfucker. But if my verse come on, he like he looks, he goes, he goes, and it was like it was lit like not take my wrist off that ship, but not understand this is identity got a bad room TV. This is the same exact story no, one said, no one. Yeah, it's the same exact story. Pun He called me to come to hang out. He just lay a birth and I'm like what he said, You're gonna race that, Pama, what you gonna do? And I was like, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna raise that. Yeah, I'm gonna raise that. We're not not race. Yo. God, dude, that she just gave me chills, just that because you have you have no idea, Yo, that's crazy. That is hold on, hold on. So Joe comes the next day, he doesn't. He's not mad. No, he's not mad, because that's the exact opposite to me, was mad. Mad. But you don't understand what happened? All right, Well did he delete somebody's versed to play? No, no, this is what happened. Great Papious, I'm an electrical lady. Great Paprious is right now. I don't know. I hit part of the thing. I said, Yo, man, I'm aout the studio. I'm gonna pull up. I'm paying Nature back because I'm leaving session on the Firm album was his session. I wasn't supposed to be there. I was supposed to run the fact that he left me. I was like that was playing ship. Let me, let me, let me pay him back. So I had a producer at the time who was called D's and nephew. You know who D's nephew is. He didn't have his name, wasn't even Swiss beats. Yeah, his name was D's Nephews because of Jared, and so we had him there and I wrote a whole song, but you could not vibe out to this beat. And so these nephews did band from TV supposed to be from TV. Yes, that's fat and the beat is a whole different story, a whole different Story's still mad at me and to this day because I never let the bet drive away. One of my most fire freestyles I ever was done on that being, let's make noise for that guy the story. So I'm then it's all right, cool, we elect your lady, Elect your lady for people that have never been an electric lady. Lady had this little white cat, an electric Lady, and I kill you that I'm allergic to cats. It's the only cat that never would make me break out. It was Jimmy Hendrix. Jimmy Hendricks owned the studio and he came back when you coordinated as a white cat. I don't know why testing me and dude, I could prove it. I don't know how can we prove it. I can't at all. I cannot move at all anyway. So I go to this is the time I smoked cigarette. I go downstairs and smoke a cigarette or something because I didn't like I was an idiot. I smoked cigarettes. Didn't like the smell of cigarettes. So I go down stating when I smoked in doors, it just was like damigga. So so I went downstairs, I smoked a cigarette. I come back upstairs. Pun the whole versus lit. And at this time Pun took like you know, he took some time because he would he would he would lay his verses on the couch. So and I looked at I said, yes, I saw the couch in and I was like, oh, this is thinking the lame my ship like I would look like, I said, you wait a minute, I didn't tell you, And then he just looked at him and they did, you're gonna erase this, And I was like, hell, yeah, but on a little like keep that kick that. So that is pretty much the same exactly, God. So that's leaned back. You come home. You and Joe squash it. You and Joe say, let's do an album together, not Fat Joe album featuring Red Me, not read Me album featuring Fat Joe, y'all together. Where you at when this this proposal is? What are you saying to yourself? I'm coming to the studio. I'm still in proose. I gotta be home at eight o'clock. And he says to me, that's still album someone Joe album ready album like I wasn't for the shore. Like boy he was talking, He's like, no album with both of us. I'm like, okay, Like, no, where are we going with this? He's like, if we do the ship and the ship is trash, nobody never knowsh nobody ever hears it. It's never seen the light his day. But if we do it, and we do it right and the ship go, We're gonna do ship. Different said being about a couple of subways, you know about like he so every time I remember started thinking about them, saying, but we're buying subways in my hand was like why subways? Like you to get a train station or at the sandwich. I'm saying in my head like now McDonald's about a couple of subways. He kept saying that, He's like, yo, we went through a lot of money. We was both here, and I think that's when I first realized that we were both young. Even though I was way younger than him his own right, he was still young. I was just super young. He's like, we made a lot of money. I mean both of the way they took everything from us. If we do the ship right, we're gonna do it right this time. That's why every time he bought another opens up another sneaker song. I'm so proud of him when I opened my solow in North Carolina and he was so happy. Whenever I started like a new endeavor he came. He literally hit me the day after my event my Bad Rapper that he was like, I'm so fucking proud of you. You need some money, you need that vest to me, anything I got you like, I'm here. Like it was like you said you was gonna do when you do it. So I say all that to say, we wasn't really sure what I'm saying. We don't know what was gonna happen. Like it Ram she just came home and Nig was trying to do the Sean all she wagged she this, even though I went on, I got enough fucking The day I came home from jail, I went to the studio and got on they Don't Love Me No More remix. Where fucking um Kalid and mik or whoever else he had on that ship? Body that ship by the way, So when Nick was trying to talk about, oh she did that, I was so confused. But anyway, Nika was trying to talk like my pen wasn't what my pen was. And we did the album. We did all over. Yeah, we did money showers, we did cooking, we did all these great records and just like it's a goal, we hand no paperwork, We had no contracts, we had exchanged the money changed my life. Make some noise for that. There's an incredible sidebar story to that. I know where you're going. This is why we've been here. This month is six years of Drink Champs. You know, the first time we announced that you and Fat Joe was doing an album together. It was the second day we recorded a Drink Champ episode as a demo to CBS radio with three announced, and it was the first episode we released. It was our first kind of viral moments. The first they even knew y'all was together, because because what happened was the day before I went to I went to see Fatio at could studio and he played me and you came back excited, and then he played me another record and I was like, okay, so when is it When's record? And when is it your record? And he blamed me another one and I said, oh, and I was so excited. I was like, and I knew I am about to be media, so I'm like, you have to come tomorrow. One of the hottest albums. The contrary in popular belief, we were the first people to blow all the Way Up. We wanted the whole world about all It was our pilot episode. We didn't know what Drenk Champ was gonna take off yet, we didn't know. And this is six years you said when this month is six years this month, And that was the first episode. This is the first episode because we because because I actually, like I think I alluded to like all the Way Up. I said something about it like when y'all hear this ship, and because we knew it was going to be out by the time the episode. But episode you know, yes, yes, when you are you know this is this is one of those. But I say I say that to say I was trying to put my lip for sorry. I say that to say that when you were you just a good person like Joe's Joe's regards to anything I ever said or whatever. That because Joe asked me to ask you how much you love Joe, and I felt like that's inappropriate. I felt like that was an appropriate you don't know. I was like, this is the thing that tells people to get speeches as part a speech about me. I'm tired of this ship joke. I don't want to perform no more. You'll listen. I'm gonna do what Mary. Did You see what Mary did this year? Mary was like, nope, not this year, and she wished she had an umbrella over herself, but he made me perform every year. I don't want to perform no more, Federal. I'm doing a lot of money and a lot of different places. I don't want to sig what. I'm so sorry. You gotta do it, do it. He makes me do it. It makes me do it. So I'm usually right after you, right before you. But um, it's just it's just dope. Because when like when he knew me when I was a kid, he met me with punished you do something. I was in school and now he from everything from having hit records to fall out to having hit records again. Like he's my fucking daughter's godfather, Like she loves whatever. That sounds ridiculous, like like it's crazy, like im boorderline Jo jealous. But um to have been able to have this moment with somebody that you consider your friend, that you can say to your family, it's just doing a lot of our big moments in life happened together, he says all the time. Because some people like Fat Joe. People like for me, Ma, but they love Fat Joe. And like he says it like that's his thing. So whenever hes trying to gas me and he want to do some ship, he pulls pulls that line. Yeah, that's the speech I gave with like one of his friends that's not really my friends, but they're his friends and they call him because favors. And he goes meeting a favorite. I'm like, where's the bag, money bag? He pulls out there they love Fat Joe's speech. I'm like fine, and that's and now I'm doing it. But he's a he's a girl friend like he's definitely. I'm glad that where where we are now, I'm glad that, you know, I made the initiative when I was away. Like one of the things that I said to myself, I was like, yeah, I don't want to go home mad like because it was people that really tried to volate when I was like, people that would never try to talk to me crazy, people that that would never try to come up talking crazy, moving crazy, and not really fucking checking on me, checking on my son, checking on my family. And I was like, yeah, when I come on, I'm not fucking nobody anybody say anything to me like, And then I thought about, like, I don't want to be like that. So I literally had to wipe the sleek clean and say I'm not gonna be mad at nobody, whether they came, whether they didn't came, whatever, anything that may have transpired while I was away. It was just saying I'm not gonna funk with you. I don't want to be You can't be up and be mad sometimes at a certain situation, just like I don't. I don't I don't like that, don't like that feeling I got a job. Wake up every day. We're looking for my next laugh. So let's just summits all up. You're on fat, you're perfect, great relationship, you're on your husband. We love it, We respect y'all, we idolize y'all. We're gonna we're gonna use you'll lives. Example, only I did love a hip hop because y'all did it. And I know they're mad at me right now because I haven't from the scene, but I'm lit out here. Niggas sedn't listen, heated, and I haven't feelmed ship calling out here. You know what it was? That's that that was a misconception, like people who was on it was like, oh, it was the graveyard for when I was doing it, I change changed the whole trajectory of bad. But it's an easy bag. Thank you please, Okay, you're nicky, No problems. How don't I don't We don't have to ask her. We don't do that because I feel like a lot of times people ask me about the situae, but they never asked the other side. And Kim, yeah great. You know why is that though? Like you feel like people it's only one side of the thing. It's like a publicist thing thing. It's like a publicist thing where people always ask me like how do you feel about this one? But they never asked like the other side. Because I googled you personally and that popped up. That's why I don't ask me for nobody else. She said to actually asked to that told your publications like like access right now, we'll get some more ratings. Hey man, we don't know. Don't let us different We're not totally differently. We're television question podcast, but this podcast me the game? Who else? Big facts? Who else? Who else? Facts? Worry of all? Shout out to any five sous, any five South. I ain't hate on wols, I'm saying, if I ain't gonna live, let's listen, man, niggas, don't I mean when coming a't want to come outside with the boots on? You know what I'm saying. I think you know what I'm saying. It's only want y'all. You know when the waters in the Floa realize when you win the booth, that means that means the water is grit. You know, that's wet. It's wet over there. You know what I mean, it's where you know he didn't give everybody is out early gives it. That's only one up. I would not gainst nobody as I'm for everybody. But let's just be clear. We all the y'all of y'all, y'all, yes, every want We love you so much. That's gonna be honest. Your growth is so so beautiful thing. I mean, I've really seen you, uh you know, not from the beginning, beginning from from when you and punish you know, it came around and for who you are now and the mother and the wife and the and still got bars and still can make a hit reckon it still can be so you. It's a beautiful process is a beautiful thing. I am so proud of you. We let you over here. I'm gonna take a shot to end it out. You know what I'm saying. You ain't gonna take one, but if you want to take one, you know we I'm gonna take a set. I'm gonna take. But I'm so glad and I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Older females look like you know how she said, like every female we name, she picked them up. This is this is what and the coaching of hip hop that's the Probably the biggest miscommunication is that we think that females can't get along. We won't sometimes we won't like if we invite women were like, damn, we can't invite Kim, or we can't invite I mean that that's not that's not that. There's some people that I feel like may and may not have you know, irreconcilable differences. But I ain't never really had no people, no rap stick that was that serious to me. I don't know how they may feel, but it's never been that serious to me. And also, like I said, a lot of us are mavvy, a lot of us have children now we are older, and heybody got money. I don't be understanding that argument. And it be like yo, because I got like we always broke a record shop in the same stories, we all got designer clothes, bags, cars, houses like like, it just doesn't make sense to me. Everybody's doing a million times better than when we started out where we started from song. Let's be clear, everybody don't got fingerpot, we bags, I don't got a time pussy pizza pushes dot com. You can get the gudma this or in about god mother charms and well how this ship here we promoter to everybody, this ship was I gotta sit down when I smoke this like, this is not a down. I was about to say, you have to stop. Yeah, I stopped like a whole half ounce. So how much of you selling these? For these are two hundred dollars two? Yeah, it's seven grams. What do you want two point fithers? Let's think about it. You can buy ounce with two grams, but you ain't getting the backwood to go with it. It's not just it's not just a backwood. It's a Cuban cigar. It's literally a guy who's this he has a gold teeth to kind get one of my bussy charming bloods. Because case Or you mixed it all up. You just said, yea, the b both things which charms more. All right, we're gonna let grim me mom think about next Blint. Let's see, let's see what you want, and then we're going I'm gonna feel like you're trying to hand meyone in specifically. Okay, all right, cool, I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm gonna taste it. You know which one is when the one's that? When it's that ship that is supposed to be definitely not bussy drops. But it sounds a little crazy, right, but listen, really, mom, the ship though, I want to I want to start the interview off with saying the Queen of Queen, right, you're the Queen. I don't want to say to Queen of New York because I just don't want any smoke with everybody else. But I want to say a Queen of New York, um and up, a queen of hip hop, Queen of you know, you are such a real one, a real one like I A love of the fact that even with you and Joe's relationship, when y'all realized that and then y'all fixed it together as as a team, that ship just makes you know. It's inspirational, it's motivational. It's something that because a lot of new artists and not deal with this all the time. A lot of new artists think they all got to figure it out, and they think they all you know, it's sometimes we are said it takes a team to make one person great. It takes a team to make it. It's not it's never that just one person And shout out to the cameraman and I would like I would like you know. Um, In fact, like I said, one of my closest friends, and I remember the most confused and the most like sad he ever was because when y'all wasn't like clicking, that's my boy. There's no footage that you ever seeing him react to it, like yeah, yeah, exactly. I apologize him side for any First, Let's be clear, I apologize so many times, like you asked me, like what would you tell your younger self now, like I'll just just chill. I used to be so mad everything like I just be mad for no reason. And when I look back, I had a pretty great life, like I would like, I was always popular before I even met Punt, I was is popular. Um, Like you know, growing up we all had hard like it's nowhere like now like kids running around and Mary's and She's like, fuck kids running around the Mary's. We didn't like that, but we didn't grow up like that. But we valueate other ship, you know what I'm saying. And um, one of the things that I don't do, and I prided myself into it. I don't fight with my friends. I don't, Um, I don't. I just don't like if I have if I fought out somebody like you can pretty much consider our friendship over like it's done. But I can't tell you any of my friends that I've had to fight with. I had to argument, like we tolked to each other with respect. We had like we have a disagreement, that's what it is. Um. But with Joe, I was so emotionally involved and it was a your public thing because we had you have a bit just talking to me crazy because like like I was, I was supposed to saw a bunch of records just based on like how I was moving out here, I was outside, when I was outside, I was outside, But um, I was just mad because I felt like you he was supposed to make sure that didn't happen, and not even that he had his whole old album on a whole another label, like still dealing with just losing pun because like he like I didn't realize after that I've building the punt of a year like this is outside. It was just like in my face. It's like his Joe promises protege the brother for real that he knew right, So um yeah, but over the years it's turned in like people always feel like I'm Joe's protege butts protege m t s part of JA. I'll go with that, Okay, with that. I like that. Mother. You good and you by the way, you gave us everything. You gave us everything. This is real drink champshit um, thank you, man, Like I'm definitely gonna regrets some and I'm going to click bait comes up and people, so take your little pieces like I'm like, like, I take one more shot that I'm good like you don't gotta take a shot. We do. No, no, no, don't drink no, don't drink my don't even like that. That's a restaurant in the bronze public. This is to you, the Queen. We really love you, we respect you, and this is your platform. Anytime you want to promote your fingernail toes if you want to, if you're making up that, if you yes, yes, yes, yes, anytime you want. Because you know I'm a married man, you got to be sayings pussy dog, which I just was listening to your record god Mother too earlier because I'm gonna smoke this in the crib. But I'm a filmist. As I smoke this, why why are you smoking it? Watching watch my movie, my BT movie, my first Stary rovie. Yeah, it's called Big fifty Round to her story. It's based on this this woman. She's out of Detroit. No, no, I played scene I could. That's that's a different bag. So you're playing it. You're playing run to her from Detroit. It came out a couple of months ago. You were watching a BT BT Prime BT her any one of those. Um, watching on the one way you concurse whichever one. I'm not going to say something, but watching the one way you could have the curse words. But it was my first star role. I did it right before I did Queen's Um. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm I'm just I'm just happy to be here. I'm thanking to thank you. Williams. Come back next week. Yes, yes, thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by Yours truly, d J e F and n O r E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's add Drink Champs across all platforms. 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