Episode 262 w/ Trinidad James

Published May 21, 2021, 7:40 AM

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with the one and only, Trinidad James!

James shares his origin story, his come up and how he’s learned to deal with success and people from all walks of life.

Famously known for creating his β€œAll Gold Everything” anthem, Trinidad shares what it feels like to go viral and how the hit song changed his life forever.

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Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect and I Heart Radio and it's drinks That's podcast. He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's like, that's your boy in no R. He's a Miami hippoper pioneer up his dj e FN. Together they drinking up with some of the biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And yet number one sort for drunk drink is New year Z. That's time for drink Champs. Trink up the would it could be hopefully's whip boy in O R? What up is d j e F And this is drink Champs. Makes up that this guy that this guy that we have here today, he might be hip hop's most unique character. He might be a person that hustled for the hustle. This guy, he is the only person I've ever known to drop a remix. He ain't even on the right mix. It was crazy to me. It's it's still crazy to me when I go and research it. Uh, he's a hustler. You know. People try to label him a one hit wonder. He continued from two thousand and twelve, I believe still dropping music in one got shows with complex got shows with other people, and he's stay in his name out here in case you don't know where any of the weirdest nails ever one drinks ever if you don't know her, So what's going on? My god? Listen, I gotta ask straight up? Uh all go there? Yes, sir oh, I would like to call it. Asked them. That's not a hit anthem, it's anthem. I don't care where when that came out. I don't care where I was. Whether it was Dugel dof Germany, well it was Dubai, whether it was anywhere. It was a hit hit hit hit hit. And I believe when I googled you our search too, it was like that was like your third record you ever made. It wasn't my third, but it wasn't my first twelve. It was in your first twelve. Okay, So let let's let's just describe that moment for people who don't know, like you're you're a new artist, if you're taking the game serious or you're not taking this serious. You independent before? So I was super independent, you know for me. You know, music is a decision, you know, that's what it was for me. For a lot of people, I feel like you know, a lot of people tell, you know, I grew up to do this. Man, I've been rapping. No, you know, I've been trying to figure it out my whole life. You know, I was born in Trinion that to bego, came over here as an immigrant, no green card. You know what I'm saying. My mother had to figure it out, you know, saying, my father had to figure it out, and so having to do whatever we needed to do to take care of each other. It's something that we've always done. So you know, my father, when my father and mother split, you know, my mother wasn't going to move back to Trinidad because it just didn't make sense to go backwards. Even though let's describe the people, because even though pop would never been to trind that that is a beautiful place. Oh yeah, I'm talking about the third world country. It's got its issues too, you know, definitely. You know, I got a family in Live and tail More. You know what I'm saying, Like these are all projects in Trinidad, and if you go there, you'll be like wow, you know, like it's you know, it's not what you used to when it comes to like natural projects, you know, but just in general you know that mentality of like, well, we can't go back to Trinidad right now. You know, it kind of put in my mind where I got to figure it out so we're not worked ever. Moved from Trinidad straight to Atlanta. So my father moved to America first to figure it out. Amica came. I think he came to Florida first. He came to Florida first. Yeah, Florida feel like, you know, as a certain type of thing. But you know, he came to Florida first, man and then um he you know, he was figuring it out, doing this thing. Then, um, you know, me and my mother we lived in Canada first because she had to take care of her sister because she wasn't she wasn't well. Your passport to Standford the beginning Canada. And then we left Canada, came back to Trinidad, and then we left Trinidad and came to Florida. Then we left Florida, went to New York and lived in New York and left left New York and went to Atlanta. Left Atlanta, North South Carolina last South Carolina. Came back to Atlanta, you know, So I mean this is just for me as a teenager, that's not it was super important. From going from an all black school in Atlanta to all white school in South Carolina. You know that that gave me the best perspective I ever had on life moving forward. While I'm successful continuously in the game, it's because I understand people that you know that I could. I can see people because I had to deal with people growing up. I didn't just have to deal with my own culture. I had to understand why white people think the way that they think. And you know what is also my perspective as a black man compared to a Black Americans perspective, it's not the same. Caribbeans don't think exactly like how Black Americans stay and discriminate against each other. It's different. It's different, Like we don't get taught racism and those type of things and trendon that like that when I was coming up, because black people all the predominant buns. Yeah you know what I say, You got Indian and black, so that's brown and black. Like the e F said on the islands that I see a lot, it would be like color racism. They just know they're just coming against Black Americans. Oh yeah, they have an issue, you know what I'm saying, Like you know people on the islands and call people a black American gangs. It's really just carrying the same clunism. Like the whole perspective. What was the country that colonized trend that just from background history. Um, you know, I don't want to say that. I don't want to say the wrong thing. Was it? Was it any it would be friends? I thought it would be friends. I think I think it was friends or whatever. I don't want to be wrong, but I think it's Franks. But yeah, man, you know, all in all, I say, I give you a little bit of that back story just to let you know where it's like. And none of this time moving around all these places music with something that's on my mind. It was more of like survival. And you worked at the sneaker store too, right right, so it was a closer. It was a mental teak in Atlanta called gets on top of the underground, you know, And that is how I really got to the undergrounds of malls in downtown right now, downtown Atlanta, right in the heart up and downtown Atlanta. So you know five Points train station, you got CNN Center where the things were now with the Riot all that is right there the Olympic Park when they did the Olympics ninety six. All this is very close to where I worked. So that central location, you deal with a lot of people. You deal with all the colleges, you know, so you gotta you know Clark, Atlanta, spell at Morehouse. And then you deal with all the people that work in the companies, like I said, CNN, the Coca Cola Center, all these type of places. And then you got all the street dudes who hustling. I would ever from Broad Street all the way over to Peter Street, all these different places to all these people became my people because I've always been a person that's been styling somebody for a long time. That was my job before I got into music, styling and fashion. I mean I've been I was a cook before I did long care. I didn't move. I managed. So it wasn't I'm bouncing around because that's how we do on drinks. It's fine, But wasn't ever a problem because of what was the character from Martin? So was there every like any like copyright characters or what's it even going for that? Look when when you when you when you started that, No said, you know, obviously I'm aware of who that is because I'm a big fan of Martin just like any person, you know, but definitely wasn't thinking about that. You know, you got to understand that the person, that character that people see and all go everything, that's just who I am, you know, and it's really hard for people to understand things that they're you know what I'm saying. It's like the intro that you gave me or whatever is one of the most unique people that you have ever met. That's something that's I've been true to that my entire life. I have not changed the man that I am ever for anybody or anything. That's why I have such a hard journey. But I enjoyed my journey because I'm the only one to understand it. But I'm the only one. I gotta live it too, so I'm not really bothered by it. But it's an interesting one. Like when I have the outer body kind of just like I'm sitting there, might be drinking the smoke and I might go back and look at all or everything just for to do my homework. Now I had to do. I had to do my homework to day and now I look and it was like there was two different characters there was. I didn't see that your wrong home, right, but I saw your version of it. And then I also saw was commute people that I saw even though it was just you. I saw a dude that was just like me, proud to be from this other island, but still American because you know, I'm reporto Rican and so I saw that guy. I saw that, like you really had to Trendidad flag and every never, almost every scene did. I saw the hood version of who you was in Atlanta, like when you were walking around with certain people, and I was like, wow, this is this is interested because you're involved. You you you embodied all of these characters. Like no character to me was fake. You know what. That always made so hard. But the thing is, I do I didentify with the people when they say you wont me wrong? So that's why I want to ask that question, like no Fox or like you know, like these big studios that have a call you and say yo, don't don't do that character no more. I never and we never had any issue from anybody that was literally I mean, the power of the media is just very powerful. They're making seem like it's an issue. But I've never had an issue with Martin. Met Martin, like I met a lot of people, you know what I'm saying. But now I have never had a real issue with anybody misunderstandings from the media's perspective. That's probably my biggest curse. Whatever, be just because I stay to myself. I stay focused on the work because the work is was gonna keep me going. There was the issue I think you had in New York. You came to New York and you said something that the New Yorkers wasn't doing for New Yorker, something like that. So, um, I had a show for No it wasn't. That was incredible. I had a show for a Converse and somewhere I forgot what studios it was. And into going through the show, you know, I was going through some personal things just on the business side, because this is this is still early in my career, this is you know, but this is after. You know, I didn't did three tours me and Wis that went overseas. I didn't need the under the influence tours amazing. You know, I didn't hung around everybody, But you know what I'm saying, we did our thing, and you know, you get to hear and learn a lot of things, and you know, um, at the end of the day, every artist, when you're you know, on your eyes, you go through a lot of pressures because for us, unfortunately, we don't have enough people around us to be the role model. I've never had a role model. I've never had a big home till you figuring out. I've always have figured every single thing out myself. So you know, I'm never gonna make an excuse about it. The things that I said at that time, the things that I said at that time were you know, very true based on what I was hearing because I was coming to New York City, you know, and I grew up a huge fan basically seeing Low York City played more up Atlanta to New York City. I've seen him play more of everybody else than the artists who I liked that tid. You know, it's like my story has never changed. Like you know, at the time, you know, Davis was on his rise, but he was super dup to me. But you know what I'm saying, Joey bad As, all these people were super dump to me, but I never heard them on New York radio, and obviously I'm hearing my song, but I'm hearing the me goes I'm here and this that I'm just hearing out the thing, right, So it was just like and then I'm also hearing artists complain about New York Radio or whatever. So I'm looking at it as like, look, man, I've always been a person to tell the truth for some abody or stand up for a stand up if you're getting bullied, I'm a stand up for you, bro. You know what I'm saying. If you feel like you're getting injustice done to you, I'm gonna standing up you. Feel like he was representing for the artist for me, while a couple of artists took back of that, a couple of artists, it's because of the way and that comes back to my fault, because of my energy that I put behind it, my personal problems that I was dealing with on my on myself as a businessman or whatever that had me frustrated with myself, and that also that side of me came out on stage when I'm saying that if I could do anything different about the situation, I would have just loved to have the energy that I know that I truly have when it comes to that. You know, what I said was very true. There was no lies told there, but the way that I delivered it could have been way better. And I knew exactly at the time. I didn't understand my energy because I had never been in this business. You know what, I'm finding out everything fast in the midst of it, and so you know, the media ran with it the way they wanted to. You know, certain artists ran with it the way they wanted to, and for me, I was a little confused. I believe it. Just meet you a may note. You had the discrepancy, you worked it out. Yeah, we definitely. I ran in tell me in person whatever you know I said. A lot of things were said online, but online is just not where I was. I that's not my thing, you know, because I never I never practiced that, I never experienced. Yeah, you explain what you meant. I'm sure that they'd even agree. Yeah, the thing about it, they appreciated when I heard him explain that. Everybody's story after the fact as the years continued, that what I said, like once again, it is my delivery that was wrong because but everybody realized that it was almost like yo, I could be for my family, but somebody else be from my family. It almost seems like that sometimes like that, you can't you can't be to do to tell me about this is to come outside you Hey, right, you say, little girl go upstairs. But did somebody another project to my sister like that? Yea? And all that is fair? That is fair, And I understood that. You know what I'm saying. And it's probably been the hardest lesson I probably learned in what nine years. I mean because this year I'm gonna tell you, Mike, well, I'm a fan, by the way, but I'm gonna tell you your illness move you made, but it probably might even been your biggest mistake. I will take a salute to your motherfucker's your career, your motherfucking every chance. I'm not only want a big shot because because you're the big man, that's your show. I'm gonna tell you like this, Yes, sir, I think doing the remix without you're going it okay was the bold and ship for for a new artist. And I'm gonna tell you why. I think it was like your biggest mistake because it was that time for you as an artist sin to shine and to like or go I believe, I believe I know who you are. I believe you a guy with a good heart, and you felt like he was probably there and be worried, you know. But it was that movement where you're supposed to wrap with t I wrap with two change and wrap with jeez and literally try to take their fucking head off as a hartist, that's what the world wanted. I told my people like me who was real fans and this ship and I'm a fan of when a guy gets his opportunity and to but what you did was honorable. It was like the city was coming up and you gave you sacrifice to your own record. But you you hear what I'm coming from. No, I hear. I just wanted to make sure that you finish your stuf. Okay, yeah, because to me, I just felt like that's what I wanted from you. Like I remember we winding the record and saying, did this guy really and don't you say in the beginning of the record, You're like, I don't even need the first and I was like that before you answer, was that strategy or arrogance? There was never arrogance. I don't have to move with the arrogance. That's really not my energy. I feel that I'm gonna be the I promised. I've been the same person. But for the last twenty years I can't answer for you at all. But I could just feel your energy now that you're not someone looked like that, but I wanted you to be. Yeah, that's what I said. And the first thing I say is I wish it was my big homie. I'm saying, like, no, I had nobody to tell me, and I ran my home show. I done everything myself, you know, and everybody just facility. I still want you to asker this question. So there was nobody at depth jam and I said, Yo, you know what, this is your time. No, like no, no, I promise you. I never had a big homie. That the only person that's ever said something to me that. I was like, I appreciate that it was to change I would have And he checked me when he sent me his verse for the All of Everything remix or whatever. And when he said it to me, I was like, oh, thank you, bro. But obviously I'm doing a million things and trying to figure out life. And I didn't get right back to him to like, listen, to the verse, and he called me and pressed me. I was like, like, yo, where somebody send you a verse my snatching? You listen to it right now? You know I was anytime somebody on the right staff, just you listen to it. Even I gotta listen to the phone in my air this versus hard and we go there, They're not gonna listen to it in the right place, because once again, it's not disrespect. But you know, to give you something that I've never even said to anybody before. To be honest with you, I didn't want to do a remix. I did not want to do it. I did not want to do a remix. Everybody else around me wanted to do a remix because they wanted to make money, you know. For me, I love Titty Boy before I turned the two chains up on that. You know what I'm saying. I love you know t I You know what I'm saying. Twenty fours is on my like if I'm on I stuck for the rest of my life and I need to have ten songs. Twenty four is probably one of those songs. You know what I'm saying. I grew up on the jeezy that everybody loves you know what I'm saying, So to my respect level is on the mountain. But this is my journey. This is not their journey, and they made it their journey, you know what I'm saying. They want they put themselves on it or whatever, not to change, but like the I think, like Tian Jesus, they put themselves on to be on it, you know what I'm saying. Whatever. I didn't even get a chance to ask them or whatever. So for me, you know, it didn't feel like the way that I wanted this to go. And that was a hard lesson in the business where it's like these people are not your friends, bro, you know what I'm saying, like me and not in a way better place now, But for the first beginning of my career, I really wanted to stay away from him because it didn't feel that he had any respect for me. I don't unerstand because so so um all right, so let me try to get this, Let me try to understand this a little bit, because you have the biggest record in the world at this time. Yeah, but I should mentioned but that's hip hop, you know, you know that, And it was more it was other he I think that people who was doing business for me at the time, because I wasn't just doing all my own business myself. I was just doing the creative part in the music and you know, trying to make connections. But I was with an independent label, you know what I'm saying. You know, they do Lucci, they do you know people b K blah blah blah. You know, at the time I'm doing business, they're doing the business for me, and they know different people. And obviously everybody would want to this a great look to do a song with these legendary people. But once again, as you can see, I don't do things traditional. That's never been me. So to kind of like force me into this traditional wave, it was offensive to me, but I dealt with it, you know what I'm saying, And like you know, I'll give you another piece information, I have to tell you this or whatever. Like that really really ruled me the like a crazy way about just the industry and just in general. Like you know, I got charged forty wardrobe for their wardrobe referring to Jeez tip and to change and if you go back to look at the dog or everything remix, look and see what t I wore, Look and see what jess wore, Jessy having a Dickie suit and t I had on hustle game, his old bird finance me on my old forty bands. You know what I'm saying, I'm my label, but I did just you know what I'm saying, I pay forty I had to pay forty. Dog, I'm a stilish dog. Before you do that burn my soul. That burned my soul, like I had to perform that. But you didn't pay. You didn't pay for the verses. Okay, but because a bigger look for them to do it. If you look at the time, this is nothing. I say, it's never this, it's never as we're just a fat person, as a as a as a fan, and I see what everything you're saying, like, I actually can see. I can see where you where, I can see when people thought it as arrogance, and I can see what you thought it was like genius and it was genius. And but I can see like I just would really wish you would just showed your ass and just saying if you do, I say, if you was my big home, I would have been like so nor say I'm surprised to change it and say that I'm surprised, geez, I'm surprised even t it was. It was just it was different because I didn't know them, like I've only met t I one time, and that first occasion wasn't the right occasion. That wasn't it was that wasn't have been before prior at the studio session. It just our energy from the beginning. It wasn't good. And it was based off of how he approached me or whatever, because if I'm interested, how did he get to me? Because I'm a I'm an observer of people. I'm a people person. If anybody can tell you born that you know exactly or whatever. So I realized I was like, oh, he's coming to have a dick swinging contests. Wait a minute, what he's coming. He's coming to the studio to to you know, I'm you know, working on my music, working on my craft. You don't mean the actually you mean like you know, I mean like like music so good to me. You know you got not mentally, so you know, I peeped that, you know what I'm saying, And I was like, damn, man, I would think that you know, he would come to like give me some game or something. You know what I'm saying, this is our first time me and I was already got all gold out. Yeah, like brown lit at this point in time. Right now, I'm lit in the city of Atlanta. I can't speak for me y in Atlanta number one. I'm not t I spoke, man, But I gotta tell you, man, when you had a number one record in the the fucking world, you wore a threat. You certain and I'm just telling you you ain't suposer. That's why this goes back to the sports world. And then like hip hop is a blood school for the interview athletes because they'd be like, yo, what someone to do with the rookie suons he come to the league, they wouldn't let him know immediately. So something that's who he was that and that was saying that I would ever order when it started with Tipping twelve, like December, you know what I'm saying, something like that's how that started. I whenever somewhere around that earlier that went into the league me, I was this is not I gotta deal with you know what I'm saying Like this and I feel like high school because I went to a lot of different high schools. I went to a different high school every year, so I knew, I knew what that. I was like, alright, you know what I'm saying, so said little shot side listen and I'm not outside, and now it's not even the boutside because once again, I do appreciate a shot. Right, we gotta take it, you gotta take it. No, because I'm just telling you. I could see, not to say like, because I don't really know the energy displayed, but I can see, like certain people being threatened because your first record, like the record is a monster. It's a monster, like it's it's not like there's people who have hits, these people who have gold platinum records that don't have that one single Fox that's like that. So I can see somebody being threatened, like, man, tell me, did your immagies but tell me yeah, and tell me if I'm wrong. It felt like it marked a new era. You could feel like you did. Viral did not exist in hip hop. It did not think it's never I just think it going viral. Niggers had never ever said that I'm a fan, I'm a fan of hip hop or a fan of music. Listening to every body ship but respectfully, we've never said that term of like n I think its just went viral today. That just wasn't in the capital until all where everything came out. That every label from there on out and still right now was trying to find artists to make them go viral. That's what they did. And what Jim did with you was moneymental. But but here's the crazy ship. You threw that video out on your own without that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We did that. We got ourselves to deal. Everybody was looking at that deal started let that, let's get that. But but but that's just money that's out there right now, that's looking for the You explain what was your vision like, because you know there's somebody somewhere don't know nothing and they had they have the same questions that you had. Well, I had all that you had coming up. But let him know your your process, your success, how you did it well. For me, I had to learn everything on the come, and I wanted to make sure that I played to my strong points. So vision and image was my strong points. I knew I had work to do on the on the music side of things, but the music had already proved that it could sell. Obviously, I never put a gun to anybody here. He said, you need to listen to All Go Everything. Nobody around me ever did that. We literally just passed out of CD. Check out my new stuff because you rock with me my energy. That's how the first CD started moving around, because that's my boy. That he didn't dress to me for a hundred summers, that's my boy. Of course I listened to it one time. People he told he was a stallus, you know what I'm saying. So like that right there, gravitated that would make the first CDs move around or whatever. So that got the CD go and got the music, and people gravitated to to the number six, which is All Go Everything. They just gravitated to it. I never told anybody you should listen to number six because number six wasn't the strongest song to me in my head. That's the last song I recorded for it, and that was the one I wanted to do for the people in the streets. I feel like I had everybody else who I because once again I told you, I'm dealing with college students. I'm dealing with people who work in big You made this record, you already visualized in the video. I didn't visualize the visual. I didn't visualize the video until it was actually time to do the video. And that what's that video at College Park? It's now that videos on the South Side. He just said he didn't even think that was the record. You know what I'm saying, because once again, I'm brand new and and there's no role models, nobody around me, no music well enough to be like what you said, like you got to tear these old nigger's heads on this remix. You know, nobody's saying that to me. If somebody said, if a person like you, not even you, had sent that to me, Young Droe could have said it to me. You know what I'm saying, But nobody ever said that those words to me. Like, bro, you got to take their hand because I love perspective that makes sense. I'm a common sense type of guy. If you give me a perspective that actually makes sense, I'm like, okay, because I'm gonna tell you something. By listening to t I and Jesus verse, it's almost like they knew you was gonna jump, and they knew you had no choice to like to use their verse. See I could tell that too changes the verse they ever sent to you, Yeah, to change, see to change. I think that we had Jeezy and it's a little hard for me to remember now, but I think we had Teas and Jesus first and then when I was like, man, we gotta do change because I actually, you know what I'm saying, like I might as well, you know what this makes sense to me, you know what I'm saying, Like for this because I'm a music person. I've I've always been a producer before I knew I was a producer of music of how to put together a track or whatever, like that's just my thing, that's my superpower. And so you know, well, actually that's why I had to learn the hard lesson would change. When he was like, bro, he was like, I did it for the love and rock with you, And I see he did it for the love. But every honesty to being honest. The record is huge. It's a great looks because he was transitioning to he was transitioning also, so you definitely put your city before you at that time. I swear to God, like when you look at that, that was like a Jesus move. That was like, yeah, I'm a sacrifice. Everything been a sacrificial lamb been the sacrificial Would you be would you be like I just been that movement, the sacrificial land from the standpoint of like everybody has had got even bigger checks than I got after me or whatever, because people learned what to do with the artists. You don't understand the biggest difference between me and death Chad, which they just didn't understand. I was like the first of my kind. You know what I'm saying. Do you think you are? You can do on the side, But for lack of a better term, it's this whole thing mumble rap, Yes, sir. And the first mumble rap was looked us. We was just talking about this. I didn't think it was it was man skills. And I said, at first it looked at it like it was. It was. It was from the point almost like how backpack wrap was backpack. I don't think I don't think this say I'm telling you, I'm telling you. I'm just telling you my perspective. Back mumble rap was something that people like. Oh, but now mumble rapp is like someone respectable. Do you feel like you're one of the kings of mumble rap? I don't think so. I don't think that mumber I don't because I didn't that and came after me. I felt mumber rap came in like twenty like that wasn't really my thing. Like mcconan and those guys were kind of giving you like melody driven melody. It's different to me than mumbling, though I'm saying, I said, nobody actually really makes money off of like just genuinely mumbling. But four World I told him, I can't believe that anybody would actually say I am a mumble rapper. No, I think that like the melody. No, I haven't now some more, sorry, but I just I just couldn't see it, like I felt like that came out as a disk more like these are mumbo rappers backpack rap. I don't see it the same offense. You know, that was not that that was was That wasn't if they called you a backrap wrapper. You know what they were saying, that's all you have money to give you when you call someone back, and they wanted there gonna start just because just cos hardcore hippop. It was a hardcore hipoper. They don't call you back back now, backpack wrap and you're like, okay, that's a tiler clo like, I think it's a lot of things. It's respect but most death it's respecting people wouldn't But at first it wasn't. I'm just saying. I was say, you think my rap shouldn't be respecting. I think the version of Mumbo rap with the melodies like, but the homie just said with the melody these uh they said up mumbling. It's just you can't really articulate everything. I think that. I'm just saying they wouldn't call themselves mumbo. That's think another shot. Come on, you get to the bottom over come on, I'll lose that, David. Let me do a good' Come on, I see what I've really So what I what I would say to you is this, And I mean, I mean nine years might not be a lot in this game, but we still be here. I mean a lot to me because every day somebody count me out every single day. So what I tell you is in the midst of it, I still study and do my homework on the game because you have to. That's the only way I feel like you did your homework to get this podcast exactly. To understand nobody would know that the guy that the songs and for real and was like a real live street could talk that talk and that conversation with anybody. Yes, they knew you could comic. You know what I'm saying. So that is why I do my homework, because I mean, so many different brothers or whatever from the playboard cardis to hole. You know, I've meant all these people you know what I'm saying, and got respect from all these people Andrew three thousand, you know, And I realized that like when I get to talk to him, I always talk to a different person. I don't talk to the person that you see see on TV. I get to talk to the actual person. And so I know that this is a good brother or a good sister because when I googled you, one of the first things that popped up was what hit wonder Now, I know that you're aware of that because I'm aware of what they called me. But do you consider yourself that or how does one say that when they say that? Well, I think that at the end of the day, when somebody only has one hit, that you know, then the science of it is you have one hit or whatever. But I mean I have a lot of plaquess exactly. You know that it's always like for me, it's kind of like how somebody look at if you don't have your own soul plaques, but then you're only going to get counted for the ones that you have plaque for that of your song. So like August have seen that that's double platinum work Remix, that's double platinum, um Bruno Mars, that's diamond. You know what I'm saying, Like that doesn't count for hits or for me just because that's that's that's their head. That counts. That deminitely accounts, we know because I wasn't on it exactly. You know what I'm saying. That comes that talk what that also saying to tell answer to get back to what we're talking about, which is mumble rappers, and you know that perspective. You know, I truly truly feel that to actually make it in this game, it's still not easy. So and whatever you're doing, whatever that skill craft that you bring to it or whatever, you still got to be the best version of it. You know what I'm saying. You do open the door for a certain kind of worms that certain people are who are sticklers of this game will be like I hate that, I hate everything and stands for and that's totally fine. It's people that hate it. Uncle Luke Uncle lukek Norty Uncle Luke. Uncle Luke ain't big, but the Uncle Luke is Uncle Luke crew. What we're talking about everybody is the biggest thing at the top of the pyramid. For me is hip hop is keeping wrapped the number one genre because at one point in time we wasn't and so whatever it takes to keep us at number one, go for it. So I'm with you. That's for me, respectfully, you know what I'm saying, because that is what it's important. We can't depend on the best rappers to keep hip hop number one because they haven't. But that's true. When the best rappers were the best rappers, hip hop wasn't number one until when everybody became inclusive, everybody, everybody. That's that's when everybody. That's when we came number one. So that's what's important. And this doesn't take away. This doesn't take away from how great Kendrick lamarco rapper or Jake Cole and the niggas who can rap. It doesn't take away from the way that Playboy Cardi puts his songs together. Because we are all equally important, because the number one thing that should be at the top of the pyramid is rap is hip hop, and most of the lyrical very cool, great rappers. They spacious in their times and their albums. Anyway, there's no one like like you know that's supposed to be like the best to drop the album year after right now and then and then if Kendrick dropping his album, which I can't wait for us, and and and they don't live up to your height? You know now, is he not? The Kendrick has killed it for us for all these I'm teen years. You really truly can't please anyway. Yeah, that's the moral of the story. You truly can't. You know. Opinions is what keeps this game going and what gets us pain and what allows us to have conversation, to have podcast. What's the worst opinion you ever heard of yourself? Oh? I mean that you know, I'm not gonna make it, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not that this is the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst. You know anything else don't I probably haven't heard it, probably been worse, you know what I'm saying. It's like, I mean, my parents or whatever, But I can't be mad at the person I see every morning. I fought with that guy. Know what I'm saying, that's my nigger something that that's a patty, Like I said once again, like bro, when I got into this game, it felt like high school all over again. In high school, I was pretty freak cool, man, you know what I'm saying. I was pretty funk. That's why I wanted to Like again, I didn't want to take take up, take up for t'all, and like that's my man, but I don't want to take up from them. But I can understand, like you know, you're coming from left field, like with this with this energy that they don't understand, Like I don't say it's indicative of what you do, like dads are my big Criz was like that's how I tried. That's my am, right. I see him being competitive though, and and that's at the time. I don't think mean addict like how you interpreted it. I think he's being in the moment. His attitude wasn't the best attitude or whatever, and you just don't think about it. Like I just watched this shit on on on Netflix called The Crew, and it's about this NASCAR ship. That's how much I really love Kevin James as an actor. I hate NASCAR, but I was able to watch this whole season and none of the people who drove cars against each other got along. It just was like it was the nature of the business. It was just like, alright, cool, like we're actually cool as people. But when we get to the over together, fuck you brotherfucker your brother focus is over there, and I was like, this is him. I was like, I was just like we all got this one new places we hang out with, but like, I'm still trying to take your head off. I'm still trying to show you that I'm the I'm the man. That was probably that was definitely that was definitely lead his energy. He was probably just naming itself the king of the South to at that time of the South. You know what I'm saying that at that time right there, if you go back to everything felt the same. The reason why I came with something different because it just felt like I got tired of what we were doing. It just felt traditional. And once again, I've never been a traditional person, and so I was like, Okay, I got something to say, I got something to show, I got something I want to get off my chest or whatever. I'm gonna do my music, you know, And it wasn't to be to go up against t I oh that because coming from where I'm coming from, how I look at the game at the time, I'm not coming in with a big perspective because I don't even know. I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna just started independently and build myself up. I don't know where it's gonna go because my life is already kind of together on the style of side of things, running the closing store. I'm in the streets. I'm hustling. I'm cool with everybody, the real street niggas, you know, saying the litt college students, you know, the people who work at all the good companies, lawyers. These all come to the rock with me on the Friday when they get paid. So they asked you because I think the f started earlier, like you had one of the biggest deals from Depth Jam at that time. That time, man, at that time it came out, they came the old labels, I believe, because it blew up without the actually like college basketball when you high school psychologist giving letters. So they came into and I believe it's a two million out of deal. Oh I'm low. It's around there, Okay, a little bit up, Okay, alright, cool, So you got one record, but depth, how does that? How does that feeling? What is that? L A Reid at the time. No, No, that's Steve, Steve Bottles. No, that's very wise, that's very wise. He's the he's the CEO at the time. Um. The people that signed me at the time was Boo Care Quak San. That is because the Asian homegirl. Great people, great people. You know what I'm saying. Um, Like I said Blue as Brother, because these are the people that kind of pushed up together shout out to I've got to give love to Shoka um um not from Shock, the one from New York. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Because he had a pardon in situations. I never knew the details of it, but I knew he always kind of like felt the type of way because he got finessed some type of way. I had nothing to do with that have but that's on business side. But I'm gonna give him his flowers because thank you whatever he was saying, help my name, you know, put my work up, you know, and he said a different shock. It's not shocking from Atlanta, assuming that's a woman from rock Nation. Yeah, you think you're talking about the same shocking, like what used to be Deth Jam way back used to that. That's what we're talking to New York kre Okay, yeah, yea, yeah, this your back about two. Don't get shot. You said shocking to hold me like that Field was a woman saying she works used to work out def jams. The woman bad. It's a man, that's gotta be It was def Jam so he yeah, okay, the person who got from next Okay, I'm giving your flowers right right, cool, I gotta stick a number about the thinking about calling them right now. You have to kind of very very story. So you know, these are the people who, you know, we're involved in putting it together, you know. And I met with you know a lot of labels. You know, I met with a lot of labels, and I remember l A read too, Lary was dope. I mean with Jimmy IRV. Jimmy Aben is the man. Jim Jimmy Jimmy Iveen gave me courtside seats to the like it's going well. You mad, Um not bad or was it any disappointment when um you went with Death Jam didn't go with anybody else? No, it definitely wasn't disappointment. Looking back at it, I do wish it I went with r C A if I'm not mistaken, I think O r C at Columbia one or the two I would ever be just because looking at it, they under they go a little bit harder for their a different type of artists. Whatever. Death Jam is TRADITIONALM. And once again, like I keep saying to you, I'm not TRADITIONALM, but not so traditional. They have flavor flame. But it was a part of Yeah, what I'm saying, it's part of a traditional world, like the way that hip hop is supposed to be brand which you know, I respect that picking up we don't know, let's see, no s I just just just FaceTime, you know. So, Um, that was the difference, you know what I'm saying, would say that that was like one of the biggest things, you know, I just had to learn a hard lesson, like I didn't like, you know what. I The one thing and if there's anything I don't like about everything that went down was that, you know, if we're doing business as grown men and women. You know, it's like for me, if me and you're doing business, I'll never tell nobody in here about our business, you know what I'm saying, especially when it comes to how much money, Like if I'm doing if you're doing a service for me and you charge me twenty bands, and twenty bands is what I paid you or whatever, I'm not gonna run and tell everybody in here how much I paid you. But that's just not my thing. But I just realized that everything that you do in this game, when you're coming in at the top of when you're at the top whatever is, people gotta announced that they won't they won't, you know what a validation And I've never lived in a place of validation. So that just turned me off from the day right after I signed or whatever, like, oh, I'll see what everybody is about in this game. I get it, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't fully get it, but I see it for what it is, and I just got to move accordingly and find myself within it because obviously I'm not gonna quit. We're here now because I'm not gonna quit. But I see what y'all about. From everybody from artists, you know what I'm saying, t taught me the hard lesson. I learned a great lesson from two chains, but I learned a hard lesson from dem Sham. You know what I'm saying. Everybody taught me very hard lessons or whatever taught me a hard lessons. It was it like because what was the second single after Forget its Welcome, Women's Welcome, which was you know, way ahead of his time. Nobody was doing hipolysis. You're going against yourself, they're lucking hearing you. You probably beat that second single is probably beating the whole building. But it's not beating. That's that's the curse. That's what do you understand? What just no, no, no, no no, I'm understanding. Like it's like it's like it's hood, We're gonna work. We know what. It's like that syndrome. You know what I'm saying. That Bugatti, you know what I'm saying. And records like that I whatever, like you know with Females Welcome, you know the type of things that I had to deal with is like, you know, first the radio was like, man, we don't know how to play a record that has hip hop and E d M on it. You know they couldn't. That was the first and I'm gonna say it's excuse, it's just the truth. Whatever. I was like, all right, someone, I wouldn't have got Juicy J on the remix. I got Juice on the remix. I was like, let's do this one because Juicy the man, he had bands to make him dance. And that's when Juicy making his resurgence. But this is great, literally Juicy Jay's label, not Juicy because he's a great guy. He's amazing. I wouldever, he killed the verse, send it to him. I met him out of show. I asked, I say, but I would love to have you on my real was because this is what's happening. This situation is going on with me. They won't play my record for my second single on the radio because it's too different for them. I would ever, nobody had Nobody at the time had the record that was hip hop with the E d M in the middle. How whatever. Then Rocky came a while for the Night with screw X and and everybody accepted it for what it is. But I kicked that off. Can't nobody tell me different or whatever? So I changed it up, got j on it his label wouldn't clear the verse because I think it's commented they wuldn't clear the verse because he had too many features on the radio. Mm hmm. It happened like that. Look when they said that to me, I was like, Yo, this right here is devised for you to either quit be piste off all the time or to lose you know, And so I just had to find myself. Man. You know, all those things are the things I was dealing with all leading up to that whole New York situation you asked me about, you know, so dealing with just like where dumb business? Jaka, what's going on? Brother? Yo? Listen, we got we got Trinidad. Jameson didn't drink chap and he did say that there is a brother name Shotgun that has something to do with this. That he didn't feel like if you got the camera and we didn't, he didn't. He felt like he should have gave him some props to he He felt like that it was it was had something to do with making the deal. But maybe you never got your props. I know he's talking about. I don't. He would have to jog my memory. But we're just in conversation. I do, you know, I do a lot of behind the scenes conversation. Um. And I propped the record up because the record was going crazy in Atlanta. If he who signed him? He right here, he right here, right here. I passed the forth. What's going on? My brother, So look, let's make him so obviously what I'm saying, we're working right now or whatever, but just in general and from this is what I story that I've heard is that you know, you god, you were putting it work on my record. I did, I didn't know, right, And then they got the credit for the record referring to you know the people who they said, Simon who signed me, Karen Quak, Sean Pecas, Chris Atlas and Boom. Yeah, you know, and the what the word is what's being said is that you know, you felt the type of way about it, not towards me, obviously, you know, but towards them. So I wanted to give you the flowers that you deserved, just in general, because obviously you know that was out of my control. Yeah, I got there. I appreciate it. Yeah, that was that was at the time when I just anything that came out of Atlanta. I was champion, but obviously it was a movement and I was just putting. I was I was on people next about making sure that they signed certain talent, and I wanted to go through my label and some stuff. You know, we know one you got over ride participation or whatever. Then you know, mysteriously and you know, pop up in other people's It was situation, but you know, but for Trunidad, I was just happy and I definitely was co signing the movement because it was off the chain when it was happening. Goddamn mixing things to that bad shocking so much. Were just like you looking history. Man. We love this man, man love always my brother, my bros. Shocking motherfucker's do the bay. So that that's history right there. That you listen. By the way, for people who don't know all those names you just named, ain't a lightweight on there. Nobody who know who names, nobody's alive. I don't even need you name then all you need name like you guys said him. That's how seriousness this is. Me leaving the streets and walking into meetings with people like this and happen to say yourself, you know, when you've seen Bobby's murder, dancing on the table, and just I'm type of meetings. That was my meeting. I wasn't at something table, but you know those I was me. You know what I'm saying to like, let them know who I was. And I've never changed. The same person talking to you right now, that's the same person talking to them. And it's like, let's do business. So when we did business and things started happening, the things that started happening as as after I signed my deal, it just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. And like I said, I just never had no big homie. What was the worst? Like, um, like it's like, damn, this this is like fake industry because I had so many moments for me where I was just like, you know what, this is another streets at all. Let me let me differentiate this. But what was the first? Maybe not the worst? What was the first? Yeah, I think was the first, But you know what I said, your perspective on it is a perspective that I've seen longer down in my career where it's just like, bro, if you're at the top, I'm gonna come. I would have like I watched a lot of movies I'm a movie person. You know what if you say that you are the best fighter in the world, like you know what's Afro Samurai? You didn't see that samuraize an animal, you know when he travels around and the person that wears the number one band. You can only get it by if you're not number two. You can only get number one by killing number one. You know what I'm saying. So I didn't you know, I didn't see that. That's what it was in the moment, because I'm looking at this like, Bro, I'm doing this bigger for Atlanta, for for us in period or whatever you like. I'm seeing it bigger. Why is you coming in here on this weird energy? Like you know? That's how I'm looking at it. Oh, that, but that's why I would have boom. You know you number one, sir, I'm gonna come and try and kill you. But you know I'm saying, but you didn't understand that. I didn't understand that in the time, So it came across defensive. It was like video games. You play video games. That's why nobody really shows you say I'm a teacher, Bro, I'm a I'm a silence from help work because from the video game and y'all ain't trying to show you ain't trying to share nobody's energy on the video games drying across the bunk. He came from a perspectives were not trying to help exactly. And so I get that because you're gonna have people who identified with that type of energy where it's like if you number one, I'm in kil Mo. But you also have people that identifies like, hey, bro, Like, um, if you look at the Judah and the Black Side movie with first it's incredible, It's incredible with Ryan Coogler, all those people involved in the movie soundtrack is incredible, Hope and Nips. You know, my boy hit boy got a crazy song anyways. Um, if you look at like Fred Hampton or whatever, like he was a powerful black brother one when they killed him. You know what I'm saying, It's like, but he went around to the Crowns and different Games and the the KKK and those people to like, look, let's work together, because together they can't funk with us. If it's just left up to one of us to do it, how are you gonna put all the responsibility on me? Nigga? I just came in this ship. The common sense is my vibe or whatever someone's like, instead of trying to kill me off the map or whatever, why don't you give me some game or whatever, because at the end of the day, like, that's why I love your thug, the stuff that I did for your thug in the beginning of his career, which not much or whatever, Like when I when I had my platform to be the number one guy and that no no, no, no no no, let me let me say, let me say myself, say myself say when I had my chance and doing my thing, and my platform is that platform where whatever I say goes. When I went to the radio station, I whatever, I knew that one of the most talented people in our city was young Thug. He had dropped. He had Danny Glover at the time. He's just coming off a three mix tape. Came from nothing one to three whatever. Danny Glover is the hardest song on Earth. Nobody had the hardest song. I Don't care who you were. Nobody had the hardest song. That was the most genre bending approached to a trap song that anybody had ever took. Any nobody creative thu future, nobody more creative we were trying to call Danny. I called here. Yeah, Doug had a song called Danny Glove. Danny Glove at the most two of them. I had a song called and so when I went to radio station, you know, I made sure that I gave him his flowers and then Doug and when you know, I've always been a person to like, you know what, I'm gonna do my own shows. I put my money up and do my own shows. So when I do my own shows and book out of venue. When I started doing my own things or whatever, boom, I reached out to people like him, like come performing. O there, we gotta go back to how you do that? Just keep going. But that's another thing. So I did my own show, paid for my own money or whatever. I'm like, I reached out. I forgot how I reached out, but I got to him or whatever, and I was like, hey, bro, come perform. And I think because you are the truth. I know my purpose, I know my journey or whatever, but you are the real out damn truth whatever. Come performed. So he came performed. Peebe Longwood can't performed. Would have they're both incredible artists. He can't perform Danny Glover. For the people who got to enjoy that show, that was the most intimate, most amazing experience they will ever have with you or whatever, you know, And that is just that's how I look at it. It's like, look, if I know somebody is better than me as something, you come do this, you come do it. I didn't. I didn't because I was later on the energy that I put out there is be whoever you want to be, do whatever you want to do. I would have That's what Prince did. That's what did you know what I'm saying, that's what that's what did or whatever, because at the end of the day, you're going to have your opinion. My nails, You're going to have your opinion on it. His dress, You're gonna have an opinion on it. You're titled to do that. Names if Rick James offered me some coping, I'm sniffing cocon all that what you said, I am molly about you? Somebody singing about Molly. When you said I popped Molly, I'm sweat. Come in, Donor said I'm in, I'm coming. But as you and we're talking now, you know, and you always from the first time we met, you know, just telling somebody this. Last night, I was talking to a little female and she was asking, like, how do this come about? What you did on Nori? I was like, you know what I meant. You know, you embraced me, but just so it is and I would have never thought that your energy It was like that. You know what I'm saying, because once again, if we just listen to somebody music exactly, you know what exactly it's like, Yeah, I mean it's just different exactly, it's it's it's an Ora, it's or you're gonna live in an oral like me. Firstly, um like Prell changed my life. I'm being honest. When Perrell told me that, he said, Michael Jackson all this music that he made with Michael Jackson, but Michael Jackson wanted the music that we made together. And it made me realize that sometimes you gotta watch what you say because you attracted, but sometimes you're gonna just attract something that maybe you didn't want or maybe you didn't know, but they're gonna be Justice is important, and I've always been that guy like to be able to go to the South early, like I've been working with David Bannam when he was in crook at Lettics. I was working with with Juvenile before. Yeah, I was working like like I was like the first artist that cash Money work within New York. I knew what time it was in the South because I had family in the South connect and yeah, and the thing is all I know, I gotta ask it to y'all and you gotta act it to me. We just saying it's like sorry to say people were sick. Bro, you gotta do rag let's go. I gotta make this is freaking up New York, right, Yeah, it's good, all right. So and so it was easy for me to actually what people call different not I don't want to call him normal. And that's that's what even me and this brother like, um, you know, I was coming to the South early, and I knew what I came to Miami. I was gonna come back and I was gonna frequent and me and him develop this relationship and that's what that's really what it is. So you know, the world is actually small if you're actually really getting money and you're traveling, the world is small, like it's mad small, Like you can go to Dooms the door of Dermany, the bumping that somebody getting Chinese food. You know what this thing is doing? Club, so spak kicking him, make fi kick thinking we know your family owned clubs. You guys own the Branson vodka along with fifty. You gotta ellaboration together, you and the Branson vodka. Let's talk about it. So the Branson, um and the Champagne, the Shimen Deloy, and that's what we're moving now. Um love how you said that ship bad fast. I don't think you know how to pronounce it very good the way you pronounced it back, that's what it is. Okay, the Branson. That's what we're moving now. And then you know everything going on. It's not easy to be in the clubs and move the lick at the way we are, but we're trying to make it work as best as we can. So what's going on with New York clubs? Are we still shut down? We still shut down? To eleven? Now indoor dining is back open to eleven Jersey? You could they let in the town choose so like Elizabeth like called the twelve but the two in the morning so zones he's owning it. Depending when this comes out. We don't know what's going on. But that's what it is for right now. Everybody goes to move to Atlanta. Why open the Texas Texas? Really, I didn't know about Texas spak. How many Trigorda records you spent? How like four or five? Okay? Okay, okay, okay. And New York were a tough crowd. Listen, New York can't get New York club all the time. He was saying that you see nigga like just speaking ran down there. This is I don't have to make this stuff first, Like I literally heard it from the mouth of real New York niggas where they don't get to support that they feel they truly deserved. And I felt them niggas deserved it too. Just feel like eight years ago we should feel somebody like Pop Smoke getting all this love. But isn't it like a bit of sweet because Pop is getting When I'm listening, by the way, all my phones, when they asked my address, I still put in my address now seven seven Avenue, So everything is called is colded to. When I listened to my app, I get the New York commercials, I get the the traffic for the Triborough Bridge. Meanwhile, I live it here for the last forty years. But I listened up. Pop Smokes gets so much of this love. But this isn't a kind of bitter suite because it's like, wouldn't it meant more? Off? Pop was getting that love. He was alive, but he wasn't. He was in New York. He was getting in love. But like when I was like, man, when I did not, but when I did the club, it would have happened to him alive. It just happened to be Tortue. Travis would have got that. Travis got that there at least at least the fishes were Travis and quite. He dropped solid process again to come on late with the brass fifty. How you be late with direst It was I'm blaming it on fifty every time we go an. But when I was in Musing in Texas, I've seen the reaction, I'm like, damn, they really that he was going after he was going after he was gone. So when he was here, it wasn't out of town that big yet all. So last time we was here before the pandemic shutdown, it was me, fifty and Pop. We were in Miami. We did came with the Dream and we did Booby Trap and he's performing, but they not welcome to the party. Early state, they didn't really know it yet. The only reason they ranking the Strip Club because all the New York nigglas was in the Strip Club. But Miami ain't really gravitated the way they gravitate to it now. Miami is always like that though. Yeah, it's still the South, you know what it's like. We gotta look the album that he dropped before he passed away. We had Element on it. The songs were Quavo or whatever like that. By the time that album, I think the momentum goodness. Now he is legit amazing, Like from from that situation that you brought up in twenty to where it is now. That's all I'm saying. I was like, these artists to serve ticket their music playing, they're dope, And what's the artist right now? From New York? Far and fave rio, fabio, um c J J J J I Bookie, No, it's Bookie, damn about to be o G. You can't do that. So I don't know what it was like. No, that's how fashion is going. But I don't think we just got a good seventh Ace Bookie Ace Bookie got a good what's que what's this? Homie? Um q q al right? Who else? Who else? Put me to some somebody? I shooting? Um? What's coming out of New York? And Jada Prince? Where do I? Chef G? Chef G sleepy hollow? Those dudes moving okay and they're doing listen up, come on, come on, come on. You ain't t't have me trap so much. Just can't watch because when the table watch it, I just can't watch him. He had me, had me a trap. I feel like New York tried to come together. I think because oh, you always see the mean Atlanta they gets stayed together, yeah, that thing. But New York it's like they traveling and they're still being lokey competition each other. I don't know what it is. I was just playing to him earlier. I think that's just the competition of the business. I don't think it's New York New York. So I think that New York has the biggest energy where it's like doggy dog energy, But I think it not to have that anymore. I think I think we're for I'm saying from everything that I kicked off from when I got my damn lashing from what I said, and then gradually, as you've seen, it was just like, look, you're so much shot spake kid, Come on, baby, man, you can't let's go Let's go back. Don't da just go oh smooth out too out of Brooklyn. Come on. Yeah, it's it's it's at the end of the day. Man's look, if you're doing good music, you deserve And I'm gonna tell you, in two years, Atlanta is going to be worse than New York with the competition. You think, so, that's just not an energy. We have Southern hospitality at our core. Y'all don't, y'all don't that's the biggest difference what he said it though. That's that's how he didn't it. That's the it's the truth that the South before two years it's okay, but I'm gonna tell you this. I'm Atlanta has always been ahead of everybody in terms of their unity. Man. Yeah, but I've also seen the footages talking about it recently, I can't say nothing other than that. Talking about the footages, I think that I think that's at least saying like I think that this happens. What you're saying that it is correct. But you're saying amongst the I don't think that's the music. I think that's the undersmellingship. Same cold. These younger I like a little baby. I like little baby, little baby, show up. He didn't did songs with TI. He did songs for all these older guys. And you know one thing, I'll give alan cred the younger hearted. They always pay how much to Jeez Gucci and they love to the older niggas New York niggers. Now they're gonna tell you that They're not gonna tell you that do a young New York artists show love to older New York niggas. Funk Jest started like making niggas do songs with him or doing songs doing him like you got something. I'm just saying, Look, I'm a t J too. I can tell you that. I'm just saying. You know what I'm saying. It's like, that's that's why it times back in it again. Young, I don't see this was crazy? You know what's crazy? Um? I think I said this with Lords of the Underground, Is there or it'd be important for the older dudes to keep looking good. I don't think that's the I think that the old, the middle class and the young are on the same rat race. It's one chart and we perman rator right Erban radio is one chart right, and we're talking about industry and industry because we we miss conscrewed culture and industry and there's a cross road. But there's two different day so you have to use For example, you have t I Le and uh chef g all competing for the same spot of Herban Radio, which is like different age range. You know, tis his age's his age, chefs age. Because there's only one chart, it's only one charge. It's not like, oh this is the twenty and under charge. This is the understand what you say, one charts totality, but overall, I don't think we're compete for the same But there's there's different platforms though, because as an artist is big on TikTok, where he not big on radio. Isn't this powerful radios? Last I'm gonna be on the club. We're here in the club and the record of break like this is it. Then it gets on radio after it's old to us now because it's like they're playing they added songs now from pop on radio it's like, Bro, that's two years old. How is that being added now? That's because they running on a song. They just trying to keep him on the radio. That they shut you a fifty down with the Aces club. What happened with what club? Police? I thought you had a club together, you fifty and Aces, And then I heard the police said, it's not gonna happen. No, no, no. My brother started Lust in Brooklyn. Lust and Brooklyn Lust and Brooklyn. We had the club. They the cops kept doing nove on wone calls. Come to find out the cops were running, uh drugs and gambling around the corner in the hotel. So the cops they were trying to put that test on us. It was then they got rated. They all got fired. It was a whole bunch of ship. I went to Beat, I went to We're not gonna But it was just crazy that it was always attack on us. Bro. But that was a place that I felt was like a s ob Sits one of the best quality of what I'm saying because a lot of artists, a lot of artists came out of there and be honest, Boogie Fettie designer, a lot of young and maid Bobby Smirt when he first came up, came out. Yeah, it was that moment where everything like when Hot Nick came on the first time in that club, seeing that reaction, it was just it was different from Credible song. It was different than the strip club. It was kind of like a showcase. Was everybody through their hats. No, yeah, that's what I obviously thinking. But I thought up he could come home. It was your brody Roddy home. You knew we rowdy, you know, I never I never got to meet both of them, but huge fans. I noticed that if I meet them, I'll just give them them flowers. You know, I don't need to be we don't need to be friends or anything or whatever. But like I just respect that, like they respect each other. I love people who work in unity. I love people that stay down. You know what I'm saying when I don't know how true it is. But when they said that Bobby took more time, so that Roddy you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I'm saying, Like he could have got out earlier, but he took more time because he wasn't gonna stitch on this man. To me, there's things that just don't happen at often in life, not even your first record. You said, I don't folk with nose snitches. That's just not my thing. You know what I'm saying. It's like I live by the moral code that every man should live, you know what I'm saying. They might not look the same as all did you do it? But I still live about the same for you or whatever, and it shouldn't be, but it's not. And we know that a simple as that. We'll make you take that as prost because you say, like you know, you your style and people you was, you know, working at a boutique store. But we'll make you still take that same morral code as a person that is, you know, sleeping crack twenty four something. I mean, I think that at the end of the day, man, if I don't have me the man to get when I look in the mirror in the morning, and I will never have me. The artists together that was like the big defining moment for me or whatever. It was like, Look, if I can't figure out who I am and who I love to be, then whatever you think of trind that James, that's just gonna die real soon or whatever, because I have to know who I am as the man, because the man was the man before y'all labeled me. The man has Trinda James. Trinda James is a title. But I was, like I said, I had a great high school career. I was lit in the streets before I came into the game. I love the streets that because I know how to do business in it. You know what I'm saying. I love that. I hate that we're in the pandemic. I hate that. But it got me back to my old hustles. It got me back to my fashion. It got me back to cannabis, and I was legal. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying that it's a whole different experience than when I was trying to make it out here in the streets as an immigrant with no green card. Completely different. He's yourself with on the shop. Both of y'all know, seperate cup, separate cup, separate cup. This guy separate cup from the regular drink because I want you to still drink, but you have this is a shot cup. You know what I mean? That we're over here, baby, Let's do it, how y'all Jesus that one hit hard, So what's next? So for me, I'm on my business stuff. You know, I'm really crazy on black owned businesses. I brought black owned food restaurant. Talk to me. Still on complex, still with the same complex we got. We're in season nine. We don't need a hundred plus episodes full size what you did the drive revolt to right, so revolt. I was doing the Dad talks where I do affirmation with the day. That was incredible, Right, that was incredible. But I love that revolt. I love when people give a funk about positive stuff because the reality the industry don't give a about positive stuff. They want to make negative money, negative negative money. That was the best money on earth. And ask me telling like mediam negative negative Like it's not like, ain't nobody still want? You want to control negative? When you control your negatives, when you can train negatives different. I just want to talk about taking mollyg because I think Molly is a great thing. But you talking about but you talk about the mayor, don't talk about you. You talk about you taking Molledge. Other man talking about you? It, Yeah, it's you gotta relax, talk crazy talt to be doesn't man? You correct me apart wrong. I think Molly is fucking fantastic. Molly is incredible. I've been done it in a long time. That's not something you do every day. It's like weed. Yeah. I mean to the person who doesn't every day, power to you. No, no, don't you gotta relax. You're different, different. There's people that do coke every day. For me, you should, you should talk everything. But people that something goes wrong give us a cocaine story. So I can't give you a cocaine story. Don't do cocaine. That's not my thing. Don't do it. I've never never done cocaine. I feel, actually, take a shot. Let's take it on the shot cocaine. I don't say we have some here, it's cocaine. I got it right here. You know, you ever gonna shot cool? Something? Little is the best drink. Champ stories in the world. Trade that wants and they got shots. But take it where you was that? What was that? So? You know right now, where I'm at with it is we're in a We're in a pandemic. You know, if anybody looking at this, whether it's twenty years from now, two years from now, we're in the pandemic, and the only people that's going to make money, the only people that's going to be happy with themselves, people that's adapting to what's going on. You can't do no shows right now. I just I dropped the album. And my album is incredible that I dropped. I dropped in August. It's called Black Filter. You know what I'm saying. For people who don't know, check it out. I know that it's fired, you know, but you know I did twelve videos out of thirteen songs. You know how hard it is to videos independently at your own pocket. It is what it is. But I put that work in. But at the end of the day, we can't do no shows. And you know, the show is what makes us lit. The shows what really bring us in that back end, that brings us in the front end, that really bring us in the money to keep going or whatever. So at the end of the day, we're in the pandemic. I know, I just had to figure it out, like I gotta adjust because once again, I still don't have no big homies. I'm still I'm my big homie. I'm everybody else's big homie. That's the truth world piece. That's my big that's my big homie. That's what you got together. So he does his own He's doing his own basketball league, and I'm helping him with it. You know, he's a very very smart brother. You know. His basketball league is to help everybody because you know, the NBA is the NBA, right, but just because you don't make it the NBA, and I don't mean if you're not a good basketball player, that don't mean that you can't make money for playing basketball leading. So he's building the league to bring that concept to players who you know, you're the truth, but you might not can't get into the league and still be able to find runs to play in to get scouts to come out and look at you. We also got that league too. We just had a smooth champs all of the out. Listen, listen, did you see right? And you mosted to know he know academics that had no choice, but by the way we was. We also interview Tory Lanes when he first had the surgery, when he first had y'all me when it right? Did he admit that I don't want to remember he was. I feel that he was like Tories, like bro, that's a gotta understand for it, and we're men here talking you know, and want it. No great hands. My ball paid on me every time he came here. When he lives that hair or like your hairline is not right, and when you're not as a man, that funks with your ego. It does no matter what the type of man you are. So the fact that he was able to find what helps him be a better man. Once again, if you're the man or right you the artist would be great. Yeah, he like twenty nine, like under the thirties, so like it might be fucking ju human like takeing sign out there. It's different different differently. It's the holy and this one was crazy. Anybody who was doing you got to take his hat off, could go sign my story. By the way, we didn't. Things are gonna come. We had a whole weekend playing Smoke Chace Week and Smoke Chats podcast. So Friday we had hamball, handball, real handball? Are you really good at hand? This ship a right? Listen, I get back to that. Get somebody trying to still my idea. On Friday had handball. On Saturday we had basketball. Now I was injured on Friday. Somebody injured me because they knew what I was going to do on Saturday, and I feel like it was him, even though he was nowhere around heah yeah, look at that. So this Saturday and then like mind you, I'm like, you know, I'm not thinking too are we're gonna come through? But I think he's gonna come through. I know, you know what everything that's going on. He knows the camera's gonna be he did to him. I don't know what you mean right now, he's the code. You know, the camera's gonna be an So I'm not you know that the homeline he pulls up, give him a shirt, so I don't really realize what's going on. He jumped on the court and now everybody like, yo, y'all they clear his hand like that. I didn't know what they were talking about, and I'm alright, cool. You know, the thought it was a different dude. You know, y'all think they're artistic because in there they're artistic. Somebody's guys artistic. He's artistic. He's autistic. Autistic. Like twenty minutes later, as were there in the shade room posted it as weird there and I looked and the comments just like, look at it's George Jefferson, and I was like, oh, they disrespectful. You don't remember Jorge it you know what we know. But Tore gets the jokes. He has it happened. I mean, he knew and he don't give it that. He don't have a person to do something like that on purpose, because he is in control of his negative. To go back to what you're saying, he's in control of his negative. Ever, for the time, he wasn't in control your negatives time in the beginning, like people wouldn't like you one of your situation. I wasn't controlling my negative. I wasn't would if I knew better, I would know to like no, no, no, no, no, no no, I'm going to pull up on somebody in New York. I actually stopped coming to New York for two years because I felt like prior to that, the whole New York was working with me hard. I didn't Santo Santo the Playhouse. Shout out to my girl, Lola Santos, that's the lect acoustic place. It was crazy or whatever me cool. We shut that place down. That was definitely Santace. So you know, I don't want to make it exact. I wouldn't make this up. I don't have to make things up. I don't live in that world. Exaggeration, go ahead, don't you know? So you know, as far as not being in control of my negative if, like I said, if I had a big homie or somebody at the time to be like, hey, bro, look you're saying what you said. You meant what you said, but you didn't deliver the right way. Go clean that up, go make that right or whatever I said. Man, I just felt like New York portrayed me. I just left New York alone for two years and I ain't come for two years because people who I was cool with and like showed when I get yeah no the New York comments, so you know he's talking about it. In December, I did a show um for a Converse right, and coming into the show, I felt the type of way towards the business that was going on in my life. And so every time I do a song between my intermission, I'll just start talking, talking or whatever. Everything I was saying what's true from the standpoint of I felt that New York needs to support New York. Hard is more money, Yes, But I wasn't the person to say that I wouldn't the person was supposed to said that, I've never lived like you're from New York. Know, that's what people say, That's what people said. For me, I'm saying the truth because I only know the truth. If I'm on tour with all the ASTAT crew and all these people, and and everybody's complaining about how New York Radio New York DJs treat them, I'm like, damn, these dudes hard as fuck. These dudes are dope. We just did a whole tour together. I know these brothers are dope. I know that they're amazing. I love their show. They're great. Y'all need to get better. And the person that you always challenge if you want to make a change is to people. It's power to the people is the consumer. The consumers who always going to make the biggest difference. If the label counts you out. If you look at Sure, if you look at if you look at Shaggy Shaggy, if you look at the story of Shaggy and it wasn't what is the story of shaky Man? No, no, no, A great, great story. But I can't do that, sty I'm gonna use that. Yeah. Cheers it's gonna be nice what you're doing. That cocaine let me. I went to con and I was let and this is gonna happen. This, it's gonna happen. This a little bit farewell for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody shot guys. So you know, it's one of those type of things where I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson. I can't help. But two, I felt that I and I looked at my power, maybe the wrong way, but I looked at the power that I had would all go everything, but that I need to speak up for them. And obviously I didn't think it was gonna be taken away. They was taken but when I look back at it, it wasn't right. Let me ask you something, Right, it's been a time right when I had to flag and I gave people the flag, and then I realized when they had to flag, they at anyone look at me. You ever went through that, meaning like when you had the biggest stage and you're life, you gave somebody or you shared that stage with somebody. Has it ever been a time when that same person had that time in their life? Oh? I love that question because they can ti U back to what we're talking about with Young Thug. That's why I love Young Thug. And if I wasn't to make it till tomorrow, Young Thug got to know that he's the realist person that I ever dealt with, because remember showing him that love. Like I told you about Boom when it was a time when I came to his show in l A maybe three years ago. Somebody that two years ago, I don't know, and um, you know I'm there. I'm supporting. I love him. He's crazy. He's one of the best artists on the earth to me, you know. And you know I'm supporting him as love or whatever, like I bought him stuff for his birthday or whatever. I love his sisters, I love the family. I love his mom. I'm cool with his mama. You know what I'm saying this love like I got the utmost respect dude, Gunna, all these people like I've known Gunna before Gunna was part of YL. I knew him when he was coming up and trying to figure it out, you know what I'm saying, Like coming to fly Kicks, which was a dope store in a land off Peter Street. Whatever, I've seen these people come up, you know what I'm saying. So like when they make it to me, that gets me fucking excited because that's what I care about. I don't care about being the best nigga. I'm an immigrant from the Thug showed you love back so boom, he's doing the show or whatever, Like I'm there for a long time. You know, when you come to somebody to show, you might come too early and he don't go on to he ready to go on, and you don't be in there. You've seen every opening and act, right, I'm not saying everybody security things security. He's so boom, you know he's performing whatever. I was like, you know what I've seen because I've been to numerous Young Thug shows. I've seen the show. You know, boom. I appreciate it. I got things to do. I leave out, I leave the show. I wouldn't getting to leave. Somebody run out like, hey bro, young thug, I want you to come before or whatever, so we gotta run back in. Boom boo boo boom. And he brings me out to perform in front of his l a crowd, which at the time was a big deal. According to what project was, it was no No, it was amazing, you know, and it's just things like that. To me, that's the really ship that ever happened. That's the that's like, that's the real questions. But is that is that one of the only people that you show love or is there other people that showed you love that after a time because they're like listen and reggae, don't let me stop. You may not even go there, Go ahead, go there, man, but there already show love too that when they had that same chance, they didn't show a love to be bad. There's a lot of people in WRAP that did the same chance. I mean, I can't say it wrap, this wrap I circled around too many times, but I wouldn't need to ask you. Is there anybody that, like you, showed super love to it and you was disappointed to when it came time for you to receive that reciprocal love that your forty acres in your mule for lack of the pre term, well, I don't look at it as the forty acres in the mule. I look at it as as a mutual respect, you know, to be reciprocated. Right now on the record, no, t I know, are you sure to change. I haven't asked, but you don't know. Don't say no for sure? Maybe they would. I love that energy. I love the energy. Look like, I don't want you to just shut it out because that you don't want to be told no, so you'd rather just not asked. I don't. I don't like that. I don't like the answer now because if I say yes to you, it's so one hundred and ten thousand percent, And it's not just I'm saying yesterday. I'm nobody yes man that if I ask you for something, I'm not trying to come up off for your frame or whoever you are. I'm literally I love music. I'm an incredible producer of records. That's why I do really good in the writing world. You know what I'm saying. I got a number one last year with Queen Nigel writing records. You know what I'm saying. It's like, I love music. I love making people be better. Like I said, my background is being a stylist. What does the stylish job to make you feel better about yourself going out? So that's my background. So if I asked you to do something, dog, I'm a grown ass man, I'm actually something because it's goned. Somebody you asked to do something, they didn't do it. So I'm sorry to ask your question. I feel like August, I've seen it off top off top. I'm gonna go there because I felt that, and I understand why it went that way. This before the entanglement. This is before the entagle Man, This before the entagle, This before the entacle. You know what I'm saying, Like, if we're gonna if we're gonna go there, we gotta go there. You know what I'm saying. I seen him. I feel like I was what happened when it was time to come back around. I felt that the industry captivated them and it really hurt that brother, and that that affected the way that they treated somebody who was actually genuine with him because he couldn't trust somebody. But you say this is after because after all, right, like the pole juice, right, do you get dryed? Anybody get dropped from Labory? You got the Poople juice. It wasn't the time you had the Poople juice, because that's like two thousand juice. Yeah, I understand where it's coming from. So let me give you the companies. Let me now, let me get you. I tweeted, I tweeted to people or whatever that boom boom. People think, definitely, I've never dropped me. They never dropped me. That's the fact that people love Nike and Jeff jampor Temina. They dropped me. I would love a niked death genera temen they dropped I would love it. The actual reality of the situation is that I requested from and it took two years for them to be like, all right, we'll let you go. I requested to be let go of the label, to be let off the label because nobody was there for me. Period. Nobody has never been there for me. I had to be there for me, which I'm not complaining about because right now, in this very moment, I'm there for me. And that's what it's about. Like Kanye never helped out, Kanye reached out. Can you reached out? I remember Kanye reached out. Can you reached out? Or whatever? But I just feel that I do you see thinking people you still think about it, like, bro, I respect you. You You're Nori to me. I respect you, but if the way that you approached me is not respectable, then I ain't gonna deal with you. Bro, what you mean? So Kanye came, So Kanye, Kanye reached out through his man's who is my man's to do something? I want my man's right, And the way that he reached out for me to do something for him, I felt like he didn't care about me. I got tired and I already went through this with t I. I went through this with je Z where I felt like these o g s because to me, I'm from Atlanta, Bro, these are o gs. To me, You're not a hot rapper. To me, you're O G who's a legend you up there with? You know how I look at Andre, how I look at Big Boy, how I look at Cel, you know how I look at Dungeon family. So it's like, Bro, these people always gave me knowledge. Like the first thing I asked Andre, he did say no to it, but he still gave me knowledge that made me a better artist. You see what I'm saying. And I couldn't get that from them. And maybe that's not how their parents but even maybe that's not how their parenting skills go or whatever, you know what I'm saying. But I'm still a young brother trying to figure it out. And they knew that. They knew that. If you talk huh, we're talking about we're talking about all those people. We're talking about the the t S, the j Zys, these people. Uh that for my past. We're a great place for us in New York. We were. We think that they're not. We look at y'all like y'all old, get along everybody new artists. You've got the biggest bro record of the world, the all co tiing you spinking said that. He said it earlier where it's the mean where it's like Atlanta artists spot I didn't get together. I'm gonna tell you this, And if I'm wrong, you know, you don't figure listening I Land for or whatever. That's not true, bro. You know everybody's true city. That's that bullship. It's not that's really bullshit. That's really how ship from New York class. How we're doing. Reason why the me was made it is because people see don't because you But if you really know people like look at the niggas over there, it's like father Land the niggas on one song. Yility, opportunity and support is two different things. My brother's opportunity and supports to that maybe, but I can make you my nigga, you gotta come do my if you if I can make you w let then you have to do my remix my nigga respectfully, respecting respectfully. You know what I'm saying, and that and that's got a little shot. That's just what I'm saying straight up. But I mean, you know where we're at now. You know those are all lessons. You know, we're talking about the past. And I'm a person to be honest with Snory. I don't live in the past. I don't think about the past. So my success on the plaques that I got in my crib, you know that, I don't even they're not even put up on the wall because I don't live for that. What can I do? New? You know what I'm saying where I'm at now, I want you to put them blacks up? Why the blacks up? Because you gotta know how I feel, you how dope. It feels like when I walk around my crib. Excuse me, I don't even have them inside my crib. I have them on Mike. What's that ship called the four year? You know this is a little like but it just makes me feel good because I don't know, I just like it. I like it. You gotta understand that you have confidence some ship. Sometimes you put your accomplishments to the side because you're always thinking about the future. But us think about what you did to get here. Never not never, just lever down, play it. You got to get here because you're like, I'm the journey so that you can see the future. Yeah. Yeah, the journey is super important to me, and and it lives in my mind and I know it. But like I said, I really like I said right now, with all these people in my personal opinion, like we were just all together not too long ago, referring to like these two chains, and you know, I see cheesy from time to time. Like my respect for these people they don't change, but how they treated me. I just didn't appreciate it at the time because I didn't understand what was going on in the game. And I was like, you know, what I'm saying is like, when you're a rookie, you're gonna make rookie rookie mistakes. You it was was high school freshman, it was the freshman in high school. You really yeah, but listen, we're gonna salute your careers. So that's wanted to say that. Man, I think I think you've understood the energy, or maybe I could be wrong, but hopefully I am right. I don't think you've mis understood the energy. And I think that it was exactly how you interpreted. You went back to high school and there were certain people, and you know what, he was a freshman at that time, so maybe he wasn't as cool as a freshman as he was that man. College is now you're a freshman and the senior is trying to prove. I think it's start and I think that's what it was, because I think your city is to ask you great city was one of the right first cities I came to, and it just it was just black excellence, like black excellences. No, it definitely is. Don't get a mistaken. It definitely is. And every no matter if you're doing music that you know, helps us push forward. What I told you, what's the top of my paramn hip hop rap? So whatever it takes to get us there, from the playboard card, the little yachties who are the mccona's, everybody is important. Even if you got one hit that helps us stay number one. And that's and That's what matters to me. So you know, that's why I got into writing music. Now, I write for people. I only I only work for I only work with women. Women, you know what I'm saying. Because men, you know, we have this weird ego, you know, and I don't live with ego. My egos at the door right now, at this table. My ego is at the door behind me because I don't have to have an ego in order to have a good conversation with you. That don't prove important to me every person that has ever came in contact with me. What you're gonna say about me, I'm always me. That might offend you when you're away from me, but in my face here I'm here to respect you. I just want to respect reciprocating, and we know how that works. Has grown as men, you know, and so like you know, all in all to end out, because I know we're about to close out. You know. I appreciate every play that I'm able to make, you know, and I appreciate you bring me on drink Champs. I appreciate you, appreciate you dream. I appreciate opening and showing us the side of you. You know, we truly appreciate that because it's like, don't limit yourself. I'm never gonna limit myself. I'm gonna always be doing something where it's like damn, there he go or whatever, because it's bigger than just doing music. I love music, because music is one of the most incredible things that you could ever get a talent there. Still, it's just a vehicle, it's not a house. It's likely supposed to take music to exactly you know. And and if it's the last thing I got I must say before I get out of here is make sure that you support black owned businesses. Let's talk about please. You know what I'm saying, like shout out was the fool you bro? So you know I did Caterine. Now, I brought cater into drink Champs because you know, I wanted the staff to going down the street from me. So Ray Allen owns this restaurant, call with him and his wife. Shout out to Shannon. You know it's a black own restaurant. You know, you know no South southware yeah area, you know. But just in general, support black owned businesses. That if if I don't all that stuff we talked about, if stuff that people have opinions on the opinion that matters to me the most is where I'm at now, you know, because I'm on my I'm back on my you know, my street ship. I'm back with the people or whatever supporting black owned businesses, you know, And I'm saying around the corner from my family. You know what I'm saying, Like, supporting black own businesses is something that I didn't realize that was needed from you, our own coach. You see it from killing Mike, But I've seen that one aspect, and he gave a real perspective. If you wanted to go your whole month, which is supporting black owned businesses, You're going to be in a crazy place because there's a lot of things that we have not got to that place that we need to be at yet. And just in general, I'm just trying to help the narrative. Controlling your narrative is the best thing that any person of color can do. Controlling your narrative at whatever, Like how y'all said about people controlling their negative, controlling your narrative is the most important thing that you can ever do for yourself. And so supporting a black owned business is the most important thing to me right, I can't take you know, yeah, I'm not thinking what do you mean he tapped? It's no, I don't tap out, trust me, And I'm not talking out tapping more than you know. I'm thinking. You gotta take the past. You know what I'm saying, But like, support black owned businesses. What's support black owned businesses? Black book? Support black owned businesses? Man, you know what I'm saying, four black owned businesses, more black owned business style? You know what I'm saying, different stuff or whatever, like even my bag. You know, tell far this person this brother one designer of the year last year in fashion, which is not an easy a war to win. You know, it's not like nothing France or something, you know, and the whole world designer of the year. This brother one that it's Telfair. You know what I'm saying, Like, can tell Far Telfair T E. L F A R. One of the biggest brands. This is this is a New York breaking right here. Wow, this is the New York Burking. This is the Brooklyn Burking. According to who are you? Where You're from? You know what I'm saying, like, this is one of the designer it's a black designer break it down for us. So you know, just in general, I mean, I can't tell this man's whole life. He can tell it better than me. But just in general, black designers are really killing everything I got it. I feel super proud and everything I got on is from a black designers. Travis Scott did this, McDonald's collapse, Travis Scott boom. You know, Travis Scott did this. I would have This is freak off from Atlanta with a little oozy. This is Brownstone. This is a black owned brand on the pants, my shoes or whatever are from a black owned customizer. These are my socks or whatever. You know what I'm saying to you, I'm a fashion guy where black people. I wasn't wearing black people designs to be able to do that now on this entirety, That's what I'm passionate about. You know, obviously, I'm telling you right now, I dropped the hardest album. But Black Filter is the hardest album. But for me, my energy is I've never put a gun to your head to force you to believe in my music. Why would I ever do that? If you are cool. Cool niggas don't tell people they're cool. They fly rappers don't tell niggers. They wrap what they do. They get on the mic and they wrap. So at the end of the day, you know, however, your opinion is, hey, rock on, because you know we're nine years in, we're going on ten for two, Like you know what I'm saying, that's gonna be a decade in this ship or whatever. And I'm still doing my thing. And if you pop into a place, niggas know what time it is with me, simple as that, no matter what it is, because all I've been doing my entire career is show improve Double xcel. Shout out to my girlfriend. That's a over that v over there. You know what I'm saying, Like, show improve is the thing that they do on Double x cell. Show improvement is all you can you know, And everybody look at look at success differently. And I respect your opinion to a certain extent because if that's the knowledge you have, then that's the way you're gonna think or whatever. But for me, you know, right now, man, you know, I want people to support black owned businesses, support black owned designers. You know what I'm saying, That's what I care the most about. And to understand that, like in order for us to stay number one. We're all important. So whether you're a mumbo rapper or the best rapper alive, you're all equally important. And that's all I care about. What's that what you're doing? Um, Like I'm a single out right now with ot Genis and for him, you're shooting a video for that next month. I got bats go ahead. So then uh, I dropped my candle lins last year and we dropped like two hundreds. And when I went to Kane's France and I think the candle there we sold out with the production slowdown school. We come back out with that over the year and then um, same fashions and fashion stuff, um the music stuff. Because right now, like what he said, it's the true pandemic hustle us how to still hustle. If you were hustle, you gotta get to and you gotta figure it out. So the hustles, the men became men, and the boys state boys in the pandemic time. And that's all it's about. I went from doing eighty parties a month to nothing eighty parties about fifteen the week I was outside DJ and club to club, state to state. Now I'm finally getting back to him in Miami. I go to Atlanta, I go to Landom in New York, Texas, so I'm able to get back move. It's not the same though, Bro. They had me doing the strip club at eight o'clock in the afternoon. Bro, this is kid for niggas who don't know what's up, because I've seen this man rock not even on something like, oh, I don't booked at his club, like I just came two clubs and this is what a popping DJ look like. So for him to say that to you, that's how big fucking deal for niggas who don't get that. Oh God, God, straight up, I'm gonna tell you how up the game is. Bro. You see girls on Instagram with Birkins and all this ship, right, bartenders became strippist. I'm gonna just leave that. Don't there like that. But let's take it to the shop. You know what I'm talking about. Dogs, that's how bad TikTok TikTok. But yeah, that's what And we're just trying to you know, if you if you got the money, advice to anybody in the business. DJ's artists invest now because everything is lower now, So when they get back. Wooman, You're gonna be on top. That's all it is. You gotta stay prolonged. You can't live in the meantime and try to follow what everybody else doing. You gotta do your own things. Stay ahead of the game. Damn. Let's make your North take these flicks the pictures. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by Yours truly, d J e f N and n O r E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's at drink Champs across all platforms at the Real Noriegon, I g at Noriega on Twitter, mine is at Who's Crazy on I g at d J e f N on Twitter, and most importantly, stay up to date with the latest releases, news and merch by going to drink champs dot com. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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