Episode 259 w/ Mysonne, Tamika Mallory & Trae Tha Truth

Published Apr 30, 2021, 7:05 AM

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with Mysonne, Tamika Mallory & Trae Tha Truth!

Talking Hip-Hop and politics, in this episode we cover battle rap to our battles against politicians. 

We discuss topics regarding community division, racism, LGBTQIA and much more!

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Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio and his Drink Chats, motherfucking podcast. Mason, he's a legendary Queen's rappers, he said, greets your boy in No R He's a Miami hippoper pioneer. Up is d j e FN. Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast. And yet number one sorts for drunk fast drink is New year' z that Drinking Champs trink Up Mother would it could be Hopey's? Would it should be? To see your boy in r A E. What up is d J e f F It is his drink chance? Motherfuck makes a look. And there's very few times where, like, you know, I wanna stand behind something. I want to be there. I wanna, like you know what I'm saying. I want to, like physically, you know, stand behind this. And when I look at these three people that's here, they're three different from three different walks of life, but they came together under one thing, and it's under you know, uh, the opposite of self destruction, the the thing to big our people up. I see them worldwide, state to state, you know, fighting for our people, you know, two of them is rapid as one. It's just I believe our activists is what you call it um and what they do and how they do it. They're making us look good because so many times you've seen people in the past and these people would act like the holier than now or they would have and it would be like the protests or the people that are standing on the ground you can't relate to sometimes, you know what I'm saying, because it's like, all right, cool dad man, the preacher man like he made me feel like. But these people that are standing in front of me is an organization, is people that I want to support. I've seen them the other day and I was like, there's no way I can't let y'all leave like without were getting this done. You know, they went back into New York and then said were even coming back with Trade. In case you don't know what we're talking about. We're talking about the motherfuckering honorab with my song trade the motherfucking truth. And now I'm gonna set it off and to say how much I want to I'm my old lady to myself right when I was coming up, Uh, Christianity was very very popular, right, and then I would see a preacher and then the preacher will be buying pieces on the law, He'll be buying crack and said, I'm like, I don't feel Mr Daniels right, And Daniels The reason why he couldn't relate it because Mr Daniels was acting holy other than that, and then he couldn't actually be human. So then there was it was a culture that came along. It was called five percent nation, right, and the five percent was like, yo, we are normal people, but we make mistakes and it's all it's somewhat it's somewhat brung the youth to follow that. How did we go from that to where we are now in the hood where it's somewhat still following. But this gang culture is really really crazy in the hood right now? What what do you? What do you think about that? Um? For me, you know, first of all, thanks for having us. It's always a pleasure. This is like my second time up. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, big man, this is this and I'm proud of your man immature. But you know, as far as the question I think for me, you know, we have to look at what our community has, you know what I'm saying, like the same way you said, Like a lot of these young boys, they don't connect to the people who are telling them not to do the thing. You know. They they don't have somebody that looks like them, that comes from where they come from, that speak the language you dressed like them, that understand the culture that they involved in, and so they don't feel like they're connected to the people who's telling them. I think it is necessary for credible messages like us, you know what I'm saying, when you look at trade, when you look at myself, when you look at me, because we come as we are, you know what I'm saying, We come as we are, we understand the same things. I don't have conversations with the youth about, you know, as as the person I am now. I speak to you from where I was when exactly where you are, you know. So that's a different conversation when you're speaking from adult perspective and you're having a conversations like you're talking down to them, or you should be doing this and you need to be doing that. No, these they have a life, you know, they have an understanding, they have realities that they're dealing with. So when you connect with them where they are, and you meet people where they are, the conversation is different, then you start to really change the structure. I think the gang culture is so strong in our communities because they these young boys are looking to be to be hell, they're looking for somebody to love them. They're looking for people that they could be involved with. They want to have unity, and that's the only place they see it. So they say, bro, the's my bro, this is the buzzing, and this is this and all that because they're looking for family, and our communities a lot of our personal families. Yeah, we're missing fathers, mothers on drugs. We older brothers locked up, so we don't got nobody here to got us. So when you go outside and you see the gang member and he's he's the big homies supposedly, you know, and he running around he directed this one. He looked like he winning and he said, you you we're gonna we're gonna take you under our wing. Who else is doing that? You know what I'm saying. So we we have to replace that. You know what I'm saying. We have to replace that. And and and the thing is the thing about it is that this game culture was started for that. It was actually they started like like yeah, so so we gotta so I tell you, I understand that reality too. So we got brothers like my brother shared dude who's in New York, who is a proud blood but he's but he his his his O. Gism ain't telling you to go on the streets and shooting this and that. He's a violence interrupted. He's taking the bloods off the streets and bringing them in and they stopping the violence in the community. See when you really gangster when you can stop somebody from shooting him and there ain't nothing gangster A well, you just doing some stumph or sending somebody to do with missing with locked in, these kids locked up. No, when you when you got enough respect that you can go to two people that want to kill each other and say, yo, na, that's not happening. We're gonna change this. We're gonna flip this around. We're gonna build instead of destroying each other. That's what gangsters. So when we start retraining that mind state, that's when we're gonna get what we're supposed to get. Like Houston, Houston. Um, Like I went to Houston one time and we went in the back road. Not what's the Houston. We went in the back road and we took a pisson and a white man followed. You're not supposed to be being and we've never seen no ship like this. This man followed us, Like, so is it like that in Houston? Like, oh, that was a bad day. I came out there that the gloves and ship. So but describe do y'all deal with the game culture like a game ship? Like that? You gotta realize that everything that I represent came from the game culture. The only difference is coming up while I'm from. I was the one that I brought all the games together. It didn't matter whether they do from what block. It was just about respect. That's what a being really is, you know, um. And the the power of how I transformed it is I'm still in the streets every day even though I do what I do. The reason that they love me is because they know that trust is and still in me. They know He's gonna give it to us, pure blank raw. You know what I'm saying. He's not gonna look down on us. If anything, you know, I'm I'm gonna chop it up with him, man, and we're gonna you know, I'm at the end of the day, I just get to him. Really, I'm gonna tell you, you're your own man. Whichever way you decide to go, I can tell you what the result is gonna be from my experience. But whatever you decide, just make sure you stand on it. But um, you know, man, I don't. I just don't. I don't look at it and said, it's just the game. It's just it's just characters, the characteristics of certain people, you know, because you have some game members that super solid, and you have some people that's not game members that out here trying to crash people out. But then you have some game members that maybe trying to crash people out in some people that ain't affiliating the streets that's super solid. So I think it's all about the characteristics of other people, you know, Like when me and Mike's talk all the time, it's about Chagne. They if this let's go. I'm sorry. But now it's just you know, it's about your more's your principles, what you're staying for. Because again, like what Mike said, you got to realize fancies. You can take ja Prince in Houston. People failed to realize, like he's always took care of the hood. He's always took care of the community. He's always right, he's always trying to if you always trying to mediate beats. Yeah, I'm just gonna say I and I'm people classify me. Damn, there is It's something that we're the exact same. So we're not walking away from nothing. But you know, if if we watching it and it's just unnecessarid, we're gonna try and make sense of it. You gotta make sense of it because if you're doing it for nothing, like, what's the purpose? You know what I'm saying, Let's allude that to this. Damn it. Welcome to what are we calling this show? What we're calling this today? Black excellent black. You know I was gonna say Trade had a march. He called the march for George Floyd, seventy thousand people in Houston. My son and I got a trade day two right in Houston, two right about two Holi days um and and my son, myself and our other co founder, attorney Angelo put you get back to that. Once you get back to that, remember what we're talking about. This is questions direct for you, how good did it feel to see Kamala Harris up there? It's great. I mean, you know, you can't I said the other day, we have to be able to take a moment to like celebrate, right, because we have so many brutal hits, um, where you feel like you're not winning. So when you do, you got to celebrate it. And there's you know, and I saw so many little girls parents were posting on social media, little girls standing there as she was standing in with their hands up in front of the TV, taking the pledge with her, like those things. That's incredible. It's the same thing with President Obama, Like, you know, that was a huge moment to see a black man become president. And and and I think it's for for me, it's not so much just the fact that they actually got there. It's how because both Obama and uh Kamala Harris, um, the people really truly elected them. In both instances, it took young people, it took black folks in countless situation. Um. Well, let's say Vice President Harris and her vice president in her situation, if it were not for the fact that Joe Biden chose her as his running mate, he wouldn't have won. It's no way he won because he selected her. UM. And and that didn't just happen. My sister Joe Taka Dye and a number of other incredible black women came together a few weeks like maybe two months before UM he made the pick and began to apply pressure. We wrote letters, UM. You know, I I signed on to a number of letters and uh you know, uh situations where they basically were reaching out saying to the UM at that time his campaign, there has to be a black woman. And they never said it had to be Kamala Harris because there were many others Karen bass Um, Keisha in the conversation UM. And and it wasn't that they had beef. It was that she challenged him and challenged his racism as a white man and just called him out and he just had to deal with it. He had to own it, you know. And I think it's it's a testament to one the power of black women that she could do that call him out like only Mama can do. And then he still had to circle back to her in order to win. UM. And So with the black women that I'm talking about, this group that was organized. They didn't say choose Kamala, choose this person, choose, but they said a black woman is necessary in order for us to get in these streets and do what we need to do to help you win this election, because he was definitely not winning. And it was after she got on the ticket that people begin to mobilize. Latasha Brown from Black Voters Matter and UM Dewanna Thompson a Vote vote women just across the country, amazing women that started to push to make sure our people got to the polls and we can. You know, we went out until freedom. Our organization was there. Freedom all, it's all all of us is with everything we were. But but we went out on an eleven day tour where we damn ne and slept on the bus half the day, traveling across the country. We went from Florida all the way to Michigan. UM out there and knocking on doors and the way in which we organize UM we specifically go to the places where they say it's low propensity voters. These are people, just don't they more than likely Black people particularly and they just you know, you walk into their door, they like, don't come here with that voting stuff. I don't want to hear it. They're even people like grandmothers who would say to me. It was one grandmother, I think you're walking with me, and was one house in projects. She was like, I'm voting for the Lord, like that's who I vote for. Her point was she didn't go to the polls. You know, she's in church. And it was after having a long conversation with her. In fact, Brianna Taylors mother was with us at this part of the tour and Brianna Taylors mother walked up to her after she heard her saying to me, I'm not voting. She said, do you know my daughter? My daughter is Brianna Taylor. She began to have a conversation with this woman. That woman went to the polls that day. We were able to get her to early vote at that time. So that was that happened because people bought into the idea that a black woman would now be vice president because we do not need another white man at seventies something years old to be president. He gonna survive that long, She's gonna be the president. Ain't like I ain't gonna lie I listen. Listen to me. It's my ignorant ship. You ain't got nothing to do with this. I think Joe got like six months, maybe sixteen sixty six months. He's looking he's looking better. Yeah, because his wife's sucking me up. Now he's he looked, he he looks better. Um. And so you know, we brought into it and we went out there and we know it's not perfect. It's not a perfect fix. We would talk the other day that you know, as soon as he got in office, he signed executive orders. We heard them and that that that related to our people. So that's that's the point I was gonna make. So he did immigration, you know, obviously stopping this stupid wall that they're building. Um. He dealt with the Muslim band, getting rid of a Muslim band. He dealt with making sure that I think eleven million people will become citizens. Um, so he's doing things right. But with black folks, you can't just sign something to say stop killing black people. It's not it's not that simple. And reposed Germontic stress was so much, we don't believe that paper anywhere exactly. So the executive order that he signed was it is basically pushing the federal government to do a study on all the different areas of the government to sort of this figure out where the racism lies, like where's the problems? Are people being hired part of them? It's going to be it's gonna come back, the report is going to come back. That's so much needs to be done. So that's the first stage, is to be able to look at and analyze the depth of the issues from a federal perspective, and then they will come back and say these things need to be done. The problem is that black people always get caught up in studies like that's what they love to do to us. They're gonna put it in a committee. There's going to be a study, and it's the actual, the action part that it takes a while, if at all, to get to exactly. So that's what we all have to monitor is making sure they do something and then stay to stay after that exactly. Did you see the movie one night in Miami? Yeah? When I first saw when I when the first we mentioned it on the show, somebody mentioned it on that and I'm thinking it's a stripper. Let me look look, wait a minute. It was crazy because I just rocked the Sam Cook documentary. That's where somebody broke and I think, I think the lord of the lounderground. Well, so I went, and I'm gonna be honest with you. It took me twice. First time, I kind of fell asleep one because I was like, what's what's the significance? I didn't really understand what was going on. But the second time when I woke up, I woke up, drink some tea, and I was just like, wow, Like sometimes I think we underestimate our power. Is that? Is that the true? Like this is one like in Miami right now, like us scripting together and spreading, spreading this type of a message. But do you think that we underestimate each other? And anybody can take this question. I think I think we definitely underestimate our power. And because what happens to me when I realized is going in the community, when we when we started voting, because personally, you know, I'm from the hood. You know what I'm saying. I never believed in this politics. She was like, I'm not doing no politics. That you didn't work. And then when you start to be in certain rooms, you start to have conversations, you start to understand that either you do politics or politics, does you you understand I'm saying you and I don't vote. It's the dumbest sh ever, because the people that ship you don't vote for, it still gonna fick your life. Sometimes when a rapper says, I'm not a rapper like you, gotta relax Exactly. If you talk about you don't vote, and then you're mad that the lords get past, You're still gonna stop at the green light, You're gonna pay taxes, You're gonna by every law. If you're not voting for the people that's putting those laws, then you it doesn't does that even make sense to you? If you got if you know that there's two candidates and one of them actually couldn't enact some laws that make a little more sense to you, even though the fucking hostess. It's like being in jail, right and you've got two motherfucking waters in there. One of them ain't giving you no child, You can't go to the yard, you can't get on the phone. And one of them saying, look, I'm gonna give you all day, child. You can go to this way, you go to yard when you want, you get on the phone. I don't give a funk. I'm in jail anyway. I don't care what they do here, but you're still in jail, right. You want to be on that phone, You want to go out to the yard, you want to you you need these certain amenities. You want to be able to get on the phone and call your lawyers, service your you need to do. Why are you living in a place? I'm not saying, stop trying to fight to get out. Go to the low love bright. Make sure you do all the ship and study to get out of jail. But why are you in jail? You gotta figure out how you're gonna make yourself the most comfortable to where you can give yourself the opportunity to get out of there. So that's like us being in this system. Yeah, the system is sucked up. It's a bunch of bullshit. We know that. But when you don't participate to say, all right, we're gonna make sure that I put I'm gonna make sure that I put people that I trust a little more than the people in there in office. He said something that makes a little more sense to me, and I definitely want to see that legislation in actor. So you know, I'm gonna give him a vote because whether I vote or not somebody's going in the mainly the local elections. It's just as important as the ply. It's more important because are you bringing out the shot? Time, I'm in time, my man, I'm doing. You know what I'm doing. Debate back and forth all the time about this. They're all important. And the reason why I always stop my song, and he said is that is because with our people, you have to speak to them. You know what you can't be. You can't be confusing and and ambiguous because our people get confused if you don't go to the polls for the presidential election because you're like, I don't do the federal piece, I don't care about that. That you will miss the opportunity to vote down the ballot. Right, So there's other things on that paper. It's not just the presidential election. In the Georgia what we just saw it happen when we had to go back and vote again for Um, for Raphael or not. He's no, he's a senator. Senator, which is power. That's that's like right after the president, right, the president needs the Senate to help pass anything. So that's why when people say President Obama didn't do enough for black people. He didn't have the Senate. We lost the Senate because we didn't people didn't understand at that time. I think people are way more clear about elections and um, you know, people are much more knowledgeable about elections and the process now, right with all the craziness, Trump actually did that. That's good. More people to a fold and they're more aware enough. I tell people all of the listen. When Trump was getting elected, right and it was between him and Hillary Clinton, I said I'd rather Trump be the president. And people was like, what do you mean. I said, I'm not voting for him, but I think we need Trump because Trump is going to push you to a level that you're not gonna get with Hillar. We need no remember the biggest together you want to row racing? Yes, we usually see your careers and just see your careers. God damn it. This is for so you're saying you're rather the upfront racism. It's just not so much it's upfront racism. But Hillary would have been the first female, i mean women president in history, right, so women would have been like, we made it, we did it. Everything is good. We can relax a little bit. When Trump got elected, this was a man who has no history, don't know nothing about politics. He didn't say some of the dumbest ship. He got the first w wfirst, like he's done some of the most ridiculous ship. He showed you that we really have to do something. When you look to see him in Paul reason hold on outside, I was like, yeah, so when you when you looked at him in office, I think especially from as black people and people of color, we looked and said, damn, this is really serious, like if this man is and watched him do the ship he was talking about and how you know this was ship whole countries and only the blacks could live here, all types of racist like when you had this, we had to literally see that to understand it's really happening, because it's been happening in this system, but we didn't really see it. So like you said, it was up from racism and it forced us, like it forced people that was in their house just chilling, like na, I can't just chill now, Like we gotta do some real ship and we needed especially as black people, you would have never seen the rise of such black leaders that was from the grass roods, people who was just and they could just chilling dudes like myself that came out. I was like, no, we can't really just sit out. We can't sit down and just watch this ship happened. So it forced leaders to emerge. It forced whole organizations to grow and say, look, we gotta combat this ship. And so it's the way racism to take their choice, like people who was ordered perfect example, like Trump had a rally by my crib. Right, he had a real rally by my crib and all of the people that was Jewish, it was it was israelis for Trump or something side something like that. So once in my leighbors, I was like, oh, really, they're coming out. They usually having on short stick out on doctors, and I'm like, okay, we're going to I don't gonna remember this. So a year later, after the George Floyd ship, those same every one of them came up to me. He was like, we gotta get him out office. And I was like wow, because they realized I didn't speak to them since then, but then they were they kept seeing I didn't even actually have to have to say yo, just I was offended by that. I didn't have to say that to them. They saw it, and then they switched for themselves, and then Sunny knows the guy that got the dog always comes up the Sunny and I'd be just looking like mad gangster like because the dog the blackest one of my friends. The dog is the whitest little white. I'm going to flo you, dude, like he switched his old good god, he was actually he worked for Obama. But and it was just like I'm just telling you, like so people who was born the fence that I was saying, I don't know, you know. Then after the George Floyd ship, they was like, yo, he's he's he's outright. He couldn't say that that was wrong. He just couldn't say that. Like he more or less accommoded on the riots as he more less a commandy on the effect more than what I'm saying. So yeah said saying something bad. Okay, okay, yeah, sorry about trades rally. Okay, Yes, So he called aroundy seventy thousand people. It was the hottest day on and we was in hell. It was I never felt he'd like this before this, This is unbelievable. All came out there. It was out there, this song. I think, not one fight, nobody bumping each other, everybody so much respect. It was Trade. The kids, all these little kids came and they were following him around the whole rally. Trade had he commanded control over every single aspect of that rally. And I knew that day that he had a certain level of respect. I just in Houston. This is all over the nation wherever we go, people respect these two guys so much. And I was like, wow, like Trade as a real leader, Like you know, I saw something different I'm talking about. It could have been mad. It could have been a real big fight out there because it was hot. People were irritated, but they knew not to do that on his time. How do you develop that? Tray thinks about developing it just sometimes I just move on on impulse, like I'm gonna moved as it is. I don't really because you gotta realize when I did it, Um, you know, I hit Bun and he's like, man, let's let's make it happen. And I didn't know if it was gonna be tim people, a thousand people, whatever it was, but you know, I spoke and one thing about it. People know when it's time for a cause and it's time to fight. I'm gonna go out there when Louise with draw if it's something I believe in. That day it showed how many more people believe in what I believe in and believe and standing up for what needs to be stood up for him, we made a statement. I think we actually had the biggest marts PID when it came to George Floor. You know, George Floyd is the Homy personally. Yeah. So if you go look at some of the older stuff, you know, I've been banned for radio, Like, I think this makes maybe two years world while Um, when everybody left me hanging, he was one of the few that was always right, Yeah he was. He was on screw Tastes before we were. Yeah, but your Floyd would always show up, you know what I'm saying. He would. He would always be the support, you know, and it's it was like it was actually so crazy. I went out there right after you got killed and met with Um, Samika and my son, and from that point that's when we kind of never separated. I need just that, O know, because that's ill. That's ill, because I was seeing y'all everywhere from Ahmed Aubrey, Like you know, i'man I'm a I'm sorry, um, Brianna said Brianna Tellor trade, Um, like everything that happened. So this is just so I thought you were seeing you there as well. So you're saying the first time that, yeah, y'all linked up was at them. So it's crazy, right, the me and Mice, they knew each other, but it's like everything, it's still kind of tied in. So while they were doing what they were doing. You know, you still have the Lee marriage, you still have the Sean Kings. They deal with me. They were dealing with me hands on. So in a lot of cases in the sense I'll be fighting with Lee and Sean or what they're doing at the same time they're doing it. What happened was just when we went out there right after Floyd got killed, it just became us as one. Because even to this day, all of us still deal with the same We still deal with the same people, but now it's like our team as a whole. You know, it's just everybody brings something to the table, and we built the superpower. We definitely Okay, I'm gonna tell you something something. It's very important. When I look at y'all, see how sharp y'all everyone looked good, beautiful, Like I'm gonna be honest, it's important because you gotta remember the people. Even when you look at people like my hero's like stokely car Michael got a haircut. That's no man. I followed them, but y'all didn't look like he picked the ship, you know what I'm saying. So we're trying to say is would be important because these young dudes, it's the same thing sometimes these young dudes, if you're not somewhat vanting their eyes, like we got something that they can have identified with, They're not gonna wanna is that something that you I think that that was one of the main focuses up unto Freedom. We we, like she said, we were. We started working with organization called the Justice League, which was the birth child of the Gathering for Justice, which is Harry Bellefonte's organization. So we was working with the Game for Justice and we still were. I mean, we were just that was all our work with every day and then um, the executive director, Carmen Perez has started Justice League and we were. That's when we started doing our own thing immedia actions. My first rally that I went to was for Eric Gardner. I was working in detention, said guy from we got killed for cigarettes. Cigarettes. And I was working the tention centers with the Gathering for Justice, and we were going to the tentor centers and we were talking to kids and I was teaching them how to utilize my music as an alternative to violence, like you know, and I was going to the center, said this weekly. This was the first time I had started doing that. And then Arigona Case had and Carlin was like, we were walking out of the detention center. She looked, Yo, they just killed this man. Look at how they killed him. We're doing a rally tonight, and I'm like, rally was I had never been to Marge, never been to a rally. Nothing. And the next thing I know, that night it was over a hundred thousand people in the city of New York City and we was blocking the the you know, the bridge to Jersey and we sat in the middle of the street. And I never felt more alive than that day, Like I never like it was like, this is your call, and that's like, but that's not about to tell you, like like music is my passion, but this is my purpose. I've been there, I've been there. I can't say in the beginning of your career. I got say in the beginning of your professional career. You know you was there at the beginning of my career, really like when you just turned the profession. Now, when when I started me and Sean Battle, that was the beginning of my career. I didn't even have record, you know that, man, I don't know how much a legend nor was there that was. That was the beginning in my career. And Norri. We used to go to Justine's thew and Justice was the best club. Every Tuesday we go there. It was industry night. And I remember the first I tell people all the time. I remember hearing Ben from TV No. We pulled up in a big black man I mean truck in front of Justine's and he was just playing and I was just like, what the hell is that? And then I heard pun and I heard Nori, and then I heard and I heard kiss. I'm like, yo, this, I said, this is probably the best I ever heard. He was. He was in there, y you don't no younger you with this people, I'm like, let me getting verson not so he was last We're kicking it. And then the next week No Rea's out there rhymen with Sean is probably one of the best battles I ever. Like it was Sean that somebody else and him and nor is just out there rhymen and kicking in front of justice. Let you sell your story like this is one of the mat sol. So we outside and No Rea's out there. So Matt Middleton was my lawyer, and and Ed Woods, Black lawyers, Woods who passed away. So they both outside. They listening me and tune my man. Did you just seen him yesterday? Shout out to tune. Were inside eating. So Matt comes in and like, yo, they outside rapping, shining them is out there. So I'm like, what now, Shan just got a million dollar record there? Yeah, gonta stop you and you're gonna finish it. Let me just tell you something. For me, it was ill because I ain't never seen this guy, never heard of this guy, and all I heard is he got a million dollars from bad Boy and a million dollar publishing there. I'm like, I ain't got so I'm like, okay, I wanted to I want to chop so I went wrong only meet him, but when we started rob, I want to chop his head off like it was the big effect. But everybody was mad because we were along, like, yo, this dude he got a million do something like yeah, I could kill I'll kill him. I heard having something like here man. But so I got a hundred robs. So Matt comes in like, yo, they health there wrong, And I'm like, who's there? He like, Yo, it's Nory and it's um Sean and somebody else. And he said, everybody's out there. Clue is out there. They got a big circle just surrounding him. So Tone looks, I'm like, yo, let's go. He like no. I'm like no, what do you mean. He's like, na, Na, what are you talking about? NA? No, I don't understand what you're talking about. So now, two days before that, I had just went and I was going, I was literally gonna sound with entertainment part. So so Lance had told him don't let nobody else hear me. So that's why he was like, NA, don't rob. So we we had. I've been in the studio with him. I've kicked it for him for about an hour. He's like, yeah, we're doing the paperwork. You know. He told him, you don't live around for nobody else. On here. So tone was like he was trying to, you know, buy by that little situation. I'm like, come on out here, let me tear his head off real quick. So mad, It's like, come on man, this can't hurt you. It's only even up to any So him all right, So we go out there. I'm standing there, so I'm looking. No, they're going back and forth. And then Matt like you let Mike get to the first, I'll go to phone. He looked like, okay, nice, what you got some boss for I had just met Mike. He gave me that look like please, like just you got your ship already. But dude, like ball back, and I had heard him wrong, and I heard because he was a slip bomba but I ain't him wrong like this, like he had the eye the tighter, like literally was tighter, like I look back, and he just ain't gonna lie. I've never seen no battle, I remember, he said. So first he started around me, and I think somebody was like no, he back up. No, it was your eyes. And he looked at me. He said, what you got you got something us? I spit. I think he looked around. He's like, slow down, killer, he said you're trying to kill it. Hold hold on, hold on, this is this is don't got good? So did he rhum? I go he my goal. I think any was like, this is the first time you've got to my left bar or left bar right off or something but whatever that and you know, it was like it's over next a little anybody was coming, Puff was calling us, Clue was on the radio talking about it. I had like a big bidding war. Jamaine the pre flew me to Atlanta. I was Andy Recollege. You gotta understand. Let me just describe this scene, all right. First of all, I love the fact that he just said Justice was a club. It was never what you like like a club, right, I always tell that was the worst. Says yeah, I'm closing that ship, like you should have kept the bodies and everything, just keep it stay open, rather than't work. We're gonna get it together. We're gonna but anyway, so that so we used to club it out and clubs right next and the clubs are right hung out. Jesus Us out there West East Life's and Asian girls. It was crazy. It was this is to the left, and then to the right was another to the left, this to the left. She was to come out. She did. To the last it was across the street. The first three she was directly across the street. Ye know what I'm saying. To the lap though, But what was to the right, It was another white club to the right. So it was a bill board. It was it was it was a pool slot. It was just a pool spot. So that block was so lit in New York City. So you gotta realize when when they looked and they see and don't forget, like I'm the actually number one nigger at the time. So but then but the shine got to number one name and then when they see and they see just everybody come out Like that was like you know when they talk about the park Jams and the Bronx, Like I was too young to experience that. I was too young to see cool working them do their thing. But to me, that battle was like my first Like I was like, oh ship hip hop really is this is really like And it was like listen, like everybody wanted to fight because nobody saw him one that night that my song actually just not just Shine, I just want to just living, just just shine. It was other people. It was other people didn't too there's other new artists and so, but what it was was the love of hip hop. That was the first time I was like, your hip hop is almost had a real beef over that, Like what the niggas was so mad. His man was like, nig and he said, you was running around saying and it was it wasn't it wasn't me. I don't really had no conversation. And we went to Diddy's house in the Hamptons and m Sean's men. I walked into it. We walked into the party. I give shant a pound. This man like, don't get that nigga, the fagging nigga, no pound. Wow, I'm like, who are you talking to? I'm confused. When we in Diddy house, so I'm like, listen, I'm not gonna disrespect this man house because Tonta now you can't do said let's just go outside. Now, we ain't gonna make no scenes. So we we all go outside and talking to his manager about Sean. I told his man that Shan was like chill, chill, and I was like, nah, that man have a problem with me. We just go We ain't gonna disrespect, We ain't gonna make no scene. Let's just go outside. And we went outside and we literally is about to get it on, and then Puff came out like, nah, y'all gotta settle this, and then Naji was then I just got in the middle and we ended up having a conversation, and you know, he was like, no, I just thought you was showing him fake love. And I'm like, listen, bro, this is if this ship is hip hop, people gonna say what they say. If I don't funk with you, I don't sunk with you. You know what I'm saying. But me and Sharon had always been cool. I thought he was a dope dude. After that meet him start, I was going to the studio whatever. He was like one of my closest friends. I'd be like, he used to be in the studio with Sean while he was doing his whole project, like and helping him do ship. He'll helped me. Like we became like real close friends after that. But that that one little period, it was dropped for a minute right there. Yeah, yeah, So let's make some noise to that. We noticed you're not drinking and you're not smoking. Is that something that because and when I first my first toll, I went on in Japan. I went on with eight Ball and M J G. And they gave me this cop that was like, man, this is this is this sir, it was a sister. I was like, what And I didn't funk with it? But that was I didn't with it. But because this is this is. When we came back from Japan, the lady woke us up. As we all jumped on the plane together. The lady was like, se me, sir. I was like, what's up? She said, the guy he didn't move for nine hours, like, he didn't sneef. He just I told you the story. And that was the first time I was like. And then I went to Texas and it was with Texas. Is that one of the reasons why you don't get how I ain't not like you had a bad experience, No, So so you know, coming from where we're coming from, where we came from in the uh, in the streets. You know a lot of people, man, You know a lot of people go through reality rather be the struggle stress. And you got to realize sometimes them getting higher and them sipping put them at ease for the moment. I'm one of the people. I'd rather just go head up with whatever I'm feeling, because at that moment, it can't get no worse than that, you know what I'm saying. So I just always said I wouldn't come see it. I don't. I don't need to me personally one, I like to go against the grain. I like to do opposite with everybody else doing too. At the end of the thing, no matter what I did, once it well, once it well, if I still gotta face that ship, so I just might as well gone take it ton up. That's just like, bro, when I got when I like, I'm that way with everything. So like when I got shot, you know, after the first three or four days of being on pain is I'm like, man, I'm try and see if I can make it through the night without it. Wean myself from an instant like I just I tend to just go head up with whatever it is and whatever the outcome, it can't get no worse than whatever it is when they hit me right there, you know. Yeah, you know, And I don't always say. You were touching on this earlier about how people act different when they're in front of the camera and then behind the scenes. All types of types of things going on what I appreciate about where we are at this moment in this movement, and especially in my leadership. I don't allow that. And I say to people all the time, I am not perfect. I do drink, I hang out, I have I like to twork. You might catch me in the club, you might catch me going to the strip club, like I'm not and I and I refused because I would hate for people to find out later something about me and then be you know, discouraged or or you know, just like wow, I can't believe that this is who she is. So I'm really not to say that. All your businesses in the street, you know, obviously we all got stuff that is your darkest thing that nobody knows about. But for the most part, I try to be extremely authentic and just put forth the true me so that everybody is really clear so we're not confused later when you catch them when you walk past me in the nightclub and you're like, you know what you're doing in here? Yeah? I do the same things to everybody else. Yeah, it's like people have to understand we're human. So the good thing, like even in Houston with me, like, man, it got to a point, you know, and jeezy. You know he said this to me, like manure, you went from the super villain to the superhero. You know what I'm saying. The good thing is the reason why I'm so comfortable. It's because I'm always me. I'm not. I don't care to impress it. You don't like high move, Hi, look high roll. How I decide to to speak on certain situations, you ain't gotta deal with me. You know I'm not to impress you. Now. The other thing is a lot of people fall victim to worry about what the next person thing. But guess what if you bring up situations I've been in and I'd be like, yeah, I did, so what's next? You keep talking about it? Like at the end of the day, when you go to start handling people like that, they just have to start respecting. Like, look, this is what that is. And I learned that. Now you imagine me. You see, I'm six one six to diamonds, tattoos everywhere. You can have eight year old white women come up to me and touch me too. I just want to feel what one are heroes feel like, you know what. In so, it's like we're at a point now which is good for for what we had in like everything is transparent. They got they respect us for us, like we're human, Like I'm the same one. If you say something disrespectful, I'm gonna be ready to get dad on your heads. And I'm not gonna be thinking about, oh man, I can't do this in front like I don't. I'm one of the first time. So it was a big controversy with your name. Was with Mike Jones? Was that was something that happened because I don't think we ever even spoken on that. Yeah. You know the reason why I don't because it's like when you're from the streets, streets, just stay in the streets, bro. It's not it's not. It's not to always be broadcast. Like even when I finally did do an interview and I got to a point because so many interviews coming from his way, and it's like, hold on, I'm not y'all ain't gonna just get to bash and me like tooth for me. So you're saying that when that incident happens, I'm gonna tell you what I've seen as a New York nigger, right, the New York nigger you know we did the internet. Wasn't that big back then, like you know, Twitter and all that ship. All I just seen was like you know it was it was a mean for for not of a better turn from back then. It's like like Jones did just see trade m overhead the man and then like he's just you know, laying over up. Well, you know, we had we had um, we had a few minutes understanders proudly and we will at some point we were gonna end up having to bump into each other. That just so happened to be the place that we bumped into each other. And a few words I said, and I feel some slick was said that I really that that offended me. And ship happened and there was what it was, man, that was it was normal for us. That's what we do every day. You know what I'm saying. Um, yeah, a lot. That changed a lot of ships. You know, even to this day, Man down there, I'm always gonna be the Lord of Julia Beverly because you gotta realize at that point, that's damn there after that that's when tho zone. Damn that stopped at that point, you know what I'm saying. So definitely I probably want to lad that was probably one of the last Yeah up, they just keeping the silent man. I don't I don't have no no, no hate towards the man that really passed that day. I ain't really thought about that ship. That's why you you never really kissed me. Where we were going back and forth the music like man, that that ship normal to me. So you know, in other people's world, certain ship going and they got a ride that to the end, that's what gonna help them leave it. Like man, I got too much other ship going on, because guess what soon we've done with that. We were dealing with some other ship had nothing to do with this, you know what I'm saying. So um so me and Ty had we had all already previously chopped a few times. You know, I think I was doing some mixtapes back in the day, Kyle slow lit and banging with my little brother jay Ton's called Slab and Paul Wall had end up sending me his number one time, and you know he had got on it. This is right when Tip was coming back with seeing I mean come with serious and still ain't forgave myself records and um you know, time went by. I was just always mutual. But when he got locked up. I was um, damn, who was man? I'm trying to think of who it was, um And the name is on the tip of my tongue. It will come because she one of the homies for it. She's a solid him. But a long story short, I gave a message and she sent word to him and just telling them to hold his head, you know, like yeah, yeah, oh yeah, you know, anything needed, let us know, you know, we're in full support, and he's he. Um sent the message back like keep giving them hell, keep doing your thing, man, you know, I salute you. And time went by and pee Wee I don't know if you know Pee Wee is pee Wee um. Pe we used to always be. He was on that TV show with Tip. That's how a lot of people end up learning of pee Wee Um. He'd be back and forth between Tip the bird like it's it was all on circle, but pee Wee was heavy on it, like man, Tree, we gotta get you over here. And Bill b and b Rich came to Houston. Yeah, so when they came, they just seen how my movement was and they went back with the same thing and Tip end of center for me to come out there. Just to chop it up man, And yeah, and it's so crazy. People don't understand, like why I come from. It's just a different type of cold and the lord to that we stand on. And it was like in the midst of that Tip was reaching out to me at the time where if you deal with Trey radio wise, you they're gonna cut off any artists you got, They're gonna cut off any business you got. You can't do calm. It was just like, you know what I mean, it was a red flag you know anything I'm talking about you you can lose your whole career if you decide to stay inside by side and you're sure you don't one of the man I'm enjoying. Um, we had a conversation to you, like, hey, man, I can't promise we could fix it, but at the end of the day, I definitely want to stay inside outside with you and whatever happened or whatever comes about out the situation, whether good or bad, we're just gonna roll with it. But let me stop you right there, because all these artists right now are doing it, doing your platform without radio right now, like they're taking your your method, Like that's what you're saying like you know, twelve years Yeah, yeah, so you gotta really let me, let me let me clear using what was he using like sound flip? So no, that's what let me clear, not just band parade and see a lot of people thought like, oh man, they just want to play his record, Like, nah, you can't. You can't be calling pictures with me. You came, you came do concerts. You can't do features with me. You can't do big, you can't something. You didn't do that though, even when I'm out the saving people lives, Like even when I was saving people lives, if you if they found out you was with me, then they're gonna treat you some type of way. Funny thing is it would be like who is that? Because the same thing happened to me. You know, I went to save his day with Minister Faricon, and the mere fact that I was there and that there was a picture that I had posted to three years ago boys for the fight floor. She was like two or three years before before that. I posted a picture it might have been his birthday, I don't know, and I said he was the goal right, And they found that and put it together with the fact that I was at the event, and then somehow tied that with me being an anti Semite, and then I hated Jews. And in the Jewish community there were some who were like really seriously concerned, right because of things that they heard Mr Ericon say. And you know, there was there's that tension that has been there for a long time, and there was something that was concerned and we had to have some conversations. But there were others who literally was using it to try to destroy me, right, because there is the same thing for for Minister Fericon. If you if you're seeing with him, or you know you're working with him, or you say anything, and you say anything and you see anything positive about him and what he has done in the community, because there is no doubt, like you can, people can say whatever they want, um and I and whatever concerns that folks have about some of Ministers Fican's rhetoric and his tone, those things, they should have those conversations. I support that a d fine, but you will not take away from the man what he has done in our communities period. So that was what I stood on that I wasn't you know, I can't. I don't agree with everything that anybody says you know what I'm saying. You already says something today that I can't wait till the show is over so I can tell you about how. But I'm just saying, no, nobody agrees with me. I don't agree with my mama, you know, right, So so so that happened, but then it got transferred to me. So at this point, to your point, anybody who will work with me became like hot hot pocket. You know what I'm saying. It was like, you can't be in a picture with Tamika. If I was going to speak at an event, they would call the school beforehand, the day with the school beforehand and get me camping. Oh please, No, wasn't What are you talking about? It wasn't said that. Let me tell you something. Don't listen to myself. I was not twenty and this is this my camera right here. It was not twenty and thirty exactly, because you know when we say people making twenty and thirty thousand hours for a speech, honey, first of all, cousins will be calling like you. But this is different. No, this is this is This was a prominent time and I was there with her during this situation. You know what I'm saying, and you know it was. It was very weird for me. And I never seen nothing like this. I had never experienced this. No, At first, my son told me I was being dramatically dramatic. Like what do you tell he said? He said, you'd be a dramatic and so what a few people can't speak in a few places. And because listen, at that point, I was on tour with her, like, you know, we we had a thing I would do. Um spoken words were saying, you wasn't seeing what she was going on. I've seen it, but no, when it first happened. Right when it first happened, I'm like, what are you talking about? Like she had just did the Woman's Mars. She was on it. Everywhere everybody was like, oh, this is our leader, this and that. So she's like, oh leader, they showing up? What mr? Fair comment? That's fair call. Like he's come to the hood, he cleaned up, he's cleaned up dopines and turned them into entrepreneurs. Like this is person the only we see coming to our to change black life. We literally watched this man change people that they said was nothing and turned them into prominent members like of our community. Like what are you talking about how like what did they talk? I don't even understand what this is happening. So she's like, yeah, this what's going on? And I'm like, yeah, whatever. And the next thing, you know, we were supposed to be going on to this school to speak and this and that, and I'm like, all right, so what they can't one? We got good. I'm like, don't worry about it. They it's not with us, and then they cancel all thirty you're identified with days we don't we well, well, well absolutely, but the what they wanted us to believe, and this is a war that they have tried to maintain between the black and Jewish community forever. They wanted us to believe that it was the Jewish community that hated me, right, So they tried to make it because as long as they can keep two historically oppressed communities, if you will, because you know what the Jewish community has been through, and they use triggers to get people in that community upset, and then you know, you become the face of the violence that they have suffered and anti Semitism. And then of course black folks, our concern earns from slum lords, you know, from you know, that you know, the man that owned German you know exactly exactly pushing start. You know, the man that owned the building in your community. He was Jewish and the and the building never had heat and it didn't have this. So they create these things to keep these two communities apart, right, But the truth is it really wasn't the entire Jewish community, because so many of them became my friends. They came to my aid, They taught me what I didn't know. They helped me understand their concerns. And first I got Nick Cannon. First, I talked to Nick deeply about it in public. And I think those same tactics are used between the Black and Latino community, and if used in the Black community, the bougie versus the nonce, it's the whole thing. But the truth was, when we got down to it the day, it's actually people who they you know who they are. The mother the motherfucker's that was running up the side of the wall at the Capitol right on January six, because the same thing with Trade. It might look on the face that it was people from the black community who were trying to stop him, but the reality is that they know our power and when They know your power and they know you have the ability to bring people together. Because if you think about my situation at this time, I was the black woman who, in fact, yesterday was the four year anniversary of the Women's March. Um rugs a little up, uh, the four year anniversity of the Women's March, where five million people marched around the world against Trump and fascism and racism and sexism and all those things. So here I am a black woman who was standing in the center of white women because it was a white women's movement, if you will. At that time, right period, we all know it. It was basically populated the Women's March with white women. So now I'm standing there talking about Palestine, saying that you know, what's happened in the Palace in Palestine is wrong. M I'm standing there telling white women welcome to our world. Now, all of a sudden, you feel the pain of you know, when someone comes into office who you believe is not there for your best interests. We've been dealing with that. I'm talking about police brutality. I'm bringing tray Vonn's mother to the rally. I'm bringing Sandra Bland's mother to the rally. They were like hellnall. So they were waiting for something. And at the moment that they caught me at an event that I've been going to my entire life. I grew up in Harlem, in Manhattanville housing projects. Going to the Moss Number seven was the thing to do. You know what I'm saying, College Conrad Muhammad like that. You know, that was the place to go for black freedom and liberation. I never once in my mind sat and listened to a speech that was being stated at the at the Nation of It or at the Mosque and went away saying I hated Jewish people. That just wasn't the thing that ever happened to me. So I really didn't understand. But there were people who came to me and they helped me to see what they were seeing. And I realized that the issue was history. I mean, if this is ion of history that has to be dealt with, it has to be dealt with on both sides, because I believe that while again, like I stated, Palestine, that's an issue for me. We traveled there, we saw the atrocity that is happening to the Palestinian people, and so when they heard me speaking, they saw me, We saw we we. I spoke somewhere. I don't remember where it was, but I was telling the white women like, don't just come with your pink pussy hats show up for me. I was saying, I was. I mean, it was one of my good ones, you know, I was talking good ship. It was little. I was in the as and the white women was standing in the bleaches like, yes, that's it, that's it. I got off the stage and my son and Lindas are so our other co found it until freedom. They both walked up to me and said, this ship is about to blow something bad. It's going to happen. They were like, that's what they do. That's what they do to our leaders, right, They exalt you. They put you up on this pedestal just to chop you dock. Right. So when I heard her calling out and actually calling white America to face what they've done to black people, right, when I've seen her and I've seen white people embrace that, right, I said, you too dangerous, Like it's just like what they did to Marchael And they said, no one man should have all that pub when they look I said, I said to myself, I told her as soon as she got that stage, I said, And it was because the white woman was like, that's right. We we need to fix what we need to fix. And I'm like, you taking the shot this side one thing about okay, but you can't let me lose my point. I got it, m so um so, I like how you got the trace on the side and I got to have that. But I'm about to do it again because I have a book coming out. It's called State of Emergency. Charlottage would kill me. He's you know, Charlotte has publishing company now, and I have the first book that's being released from his imprint. UM it's called Black No No. This is his own imprint at Simon and Schuster. And my book is the first book to be released on black privilege. It's called State of Emergency. And this book is basically all the stuff I was saying at that time. Um. In one body of work, we're basically talking through the history of four hundred plus years and how we got to this point in a prescription for change, like what we can do? Angela Davis and Cardi b they are in conversation in my forward, they're talking to one another. UM. So it's Gonna be a powerful book. Card B Davis, Angela Doctor, Angela Davis, and Cardi B are in conversation together in my book where Cardi Party Party is basically saying like she is really actually she is. That's the whole point, because you know, I feel like I am and Trade. He knows he's always on me, like, stop being so much hard like he because they think I'm supposed to be like I don't know, like I mean this is, let me take takes because you know, we ain't gonna play about you right on me all the time. We ain't gonna play Trade called me on the phone. I don't know what that outfit is you got on the internet, but you need to tell that down. I'm posing a bathing and put you today. But anyway, that's brothers. But they single. I'm young and I single on drink chances out. But but I should you made me lose my point I was talking about. I was saying that I think I find myself being a mix between Cardi B and Angela Davis. So when I was thinking of who could I bring to this conversation, I felt like they were the best people. And I'm so thankful that both of them agreed because Cardi is basically saying to Angela Davis, am, I is it okay for me to sit at the table with you? You know? Can we both fight for freedom together even though I'm not as perfect as you are? And Angela Davis responds and it's I won't tell you what she said, but it's incredible. You got about a book right and you can preorder it right now. But it's it's actually gonna be released on May eleven, but it can be pre ordered right now. And the reason why I'm telling this story is to say to the point of how we look at Tray and we see him pulling seventy thousand people together and he didn't need one radio spot to do it. That at the time, it felt like the end of my life. In fact, I got addicted to uh we're calling pain pills. I had to go to a drug treatments all of xanax huh um xanax and all of that. It wasn't but because because I was depressed. I was depressed, because like he said, it was one speaking engagement canceled for some stuff that I didn't even say. They were trying to say. They were trying to tie me to somebody else's words and and and put it on me and when and whenever the oppressor can't kill you with the truth. They're live exactly they make So they started making up lines I was stealing money from my organization. You know, they did everything. So I got really really depressed, and I thought it was the end of the world. And I mean I really thought it was the end of the world forgot and my son, along with my son, along with a number of other individuals, my dear friends, people who I love, and I have to say Yandy Smith Harris. Yandy is one of my closest friends and Yandy again, that's the same thing with her. I was worried because Yandy and my manager, uh Toyvan, they are partners and their their company manages me. People don't even know that that Yandy is actually a part of my management team. Um and I wanted them to drop me as a client because I was worried about them losing contract because of what was happening to me. But they stood with me all the way. Ten too's down and one speaking engagement being canceled is cool, But by the time I got to thirty speaking engagements, canceled. I was calling friends asking for money. And this this wasn't five years ago. I'm talking about last year, last December, I sent the text message out to a number of friends saying, send money because I'm not gonna make it. I don't know what I'm gonna do. And look at how God will turn things around. And so the point is that today what I thought was the end of the world, actually it was a test to see whether or not I could stand up to this moment. I was being asked to denounce a black man, right that I know has done great work in our community, who I still can say I don't agree with about things that he just said, right, and I said, I won't do it. Y'all can take all the speaking agage, you can take everything you want. But as far as I was concerned, black men have been denounced in this country, like this nation has denounced a black man. So how can I, as a black woman who has a twenty one year old black son and a father, stand up and say I denounced a black man. That's not language that I can use. I'm not going to denounce the black man who killed somebody. I'm not going to denounce the black man who did anything. I will say, I don't agree with you, and you're wrong, and you need to be held accountable for whatever you did. But I'll never use your language as white folks trying to tell me what to say to describe my relationship to black men and that standing on that it broke me down to my smallest form. But the Lord will build you back. And look at where we're sitting today. We're don't drink cham people all got a pass right for people who who like drink chaps? What what is? What is your past? Like? How did you start this? How did you come here? Like? It's too too long of a story, But I'll say this. My Aaron's used to take me to Rally's in Harlem, as I said, So we went to the mosque, my mom and I went to church on Sunday, and of course um. I grew up in the National Action Network, which was REVERN, now Sharpton's organization. I worked for him for fourteen years. I became the youngest ever executive director of all the major civil rights organizations in the country. And I did that for four years and then I decided I was ready to try to do it on my own and so I left um. When I was young, it was like your parents making you go to church. I was pissed all the time, and I ran away from home. I rebelled heavily against it. I got pregnant, and so I just told you. My son is twenty one. So basically my son and I grew up together. He saved my life. If it had not been for him, I don't know. He did. His name is Tariq, and he saved my life. And thankfully Trade and my son are his mentors who deal with him every day because he and I cannot. We just can't. We're getting better now now he has his own place. We're getting much better. But there was a point when Trey had to call me a few weeks ago and he's like, says, you can't just not talk to him, like you have to talk to your son. And he deals with my son on a regular basis, and so thank God for them. But when I was young, I didn't want to be in the movement. And then his father was murdered. He was two years old. His father was shot and killed. He was left in a ditch for two weeks um and a woman walking her dog found him and that's how we ended up finding all he was dead. And so this was in Pennsylvania. So he's from Harlem or so. So he's from Washington Heights. So when he's not he's again, but he's from Washington in the three buildings that was some those buildings on top of the bridge. You'll know, I'm going. Yeah, anyway, he so he was killed. He was killed, and at the point that he died, what my parents had been forcing me to do in terms of taking me to the rallies. It all came together because I was trying to figure out, like, why is he dead. I didn't get it, like I know, okay, he did because some drug dudes and the thing and they killed him and he was involved in something he shouldn't have been if I got that, But I'm saying, there's a larger context to it. And I started really trying to understand it. And what I basically I thought, you know, to myself, was that his mom and dad were perpetual drug abuses. They had been in and out of prison. Great people just couldn't get it together. And imagine if the system then would have said that it was an epidemic and deserved the type of resources they'd given white kids right now who are addicted to opioids. Imagine if they got therapy, counseling and they could just show up somewhere and say I have a problem, and people put them on a couch and do you know, and help them. They didn't have that. The in which they dealt with was putting them in jail back and forth. And even though he had great grandparents who did everything they could, it's not the same. It wasn't enough. They just couldn't. He couldn't get himself together, and unfortunately he felt victim to the system. And so at that point I took on what my parents were trying to tell me. I was like, oh, this is what the movement is about. I'm supposed to be fighting against gun violence, well, fighting to stop gun violence that well, you know, I had listen, I had a life. I wasn't like I said, I rebelled, so I was in the street, you know, I was. I was a little more. I was a little worst of the regular teenager. I always say, you know, during that time when I wanted to be in the street, I wanted to marry a drug dealer, because that's what I thought was cool. You know, that's what I saw. I was watching paid in full, so I was like, yeah, like you know that that was what I thought was the right thing yet shot keep Anyway, that's my that's my storyline. It's it's there's a lot to it, um and I've been through a lot of things. But I will just say that the most uh gratifying part of what it is that I do is that my story is what actually makes me who I am. You know, please, what I'm saying, right until you wrote me into the battle when I had to break all of that down, it's gilly way that you do. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that, right. There's a lot of intersistencies and misconceptions about that. Okay, just want to throw that out this So what I was saying, a guy, I don't want. What I was saying was the reason why we started until Freedom Right was literally because we realized there was a culture divide, like the thing that you said when you said the preacher was telling you to do this, and you saw all these things and you didn't see yourself in the movement, and and for us it was like, you know what we come from the community, We come from the hood. We wanted, like she said, we want to go to the strip club. Were in the hood. You might catch me at the block party, you know, having you, but you're not gonna talk to me crazy because I might go on your mouth like I'm gonna give you FI. I'm not gonna shoot you and kill you because I don't want to do that. Don't. But sometimes you gotta discipline. There's a level of discipline. You you got this respect for men. I'm from the old school. Please remember because how how is hard is it from youtub brothers to keep that balance? You know what I'm saying. Because the thing about it is, on one hand, she preaching like yo, man, you know black excellent man everybody you know, but there's not my motherfucking heads. But that's what not as bad as me. She's a little worse if he dudes, don't She's gonna say it is, dude. But we usually address all of those things the dudes. When it's female situations, we try to just you know, get in the middle. But the reality situation is when you look at boxes, that's black excellence. We we we celebrate all our black boxes that have exceeded. It's not wrong sometimes you gotta not go out if you talk crazy to me. Look, I don't want to shoot you. I'm not gonna stab you. I don't wanna take your life. We might need to go on the corner and get five minutes because we feel the type of way. It's I believe that's part of what black excellence is. If you feel this way so much that we can't have a conversation to come to agreement to what you're saying, Yo, I apologize or this, and that somebody might have to get beat up and we can and we and we can shake hands. Never we's in school and used to fight, and your mother like you're gonna fight him, and y'all shake hands and you'll go home. Except what you no, But that's a different thing because I don't because I know he don't want to fight me. You see what I'm saying. We're just not the same type of individual, right, I think for me, right the Troy app situation, because it's not really we never I'm talking about the other beef. I'm talking about um, I think because he technically did not tell yet not yet see that that's the thing. So the thing is this, I understand the reality we from the streets. Right, So what happens is before you tell this. Now, in this social media era, there's a preparation for telling, right what if he doesn't. If he doesn't, then I can say you didn't hell, and I can say you know I was wrong. But I know what it looks like. You listen, Listen to me now. Yeah, I'm staying on what I'm stand on. You know what I mean. So when you start saying, yo, why I gotta be lowered to the streets, the streets ain't done nothing for me, they're thinking that's that's that they did this to me. I'm supposed to let me go to jail. Okay, cool, if that's your I don't have anything wrong with that, and I don't want you to be lower to anything. I just don't. After you tell on somebody, just don't say that your games. Don't try to because they don't even believe that you're tough. After that, when when you're sitting there, listen and you're sitting there and you're yelling gang and you're yelling all that, you got that space, everything that comes, But that's what what'll that's it? I don't conversations, you support you when you are citizen, right, yeah, you know what, I'm sorry, I haven't That's what I had the same I didn't to the office because that he pays taxes, the police supposed to. He ain't making no money off the books. He ain't. He ain't making no money in the streets where he threatened People's first account was he quoted blood money to me but a gangster rhyme. And this is the first time I haven't met him, and he robbed it as soon as the whole verse and I looked at the things. I don't even really know the whole verse, and I'm like, amost like you know what? I'm like, oh ship. As soon as he finished, like yo, I want you to know, I'm gotta thug bone in my body. I respected that. From there, I was like, all right, cool music, music, you know what I'm saying, Like, listen, I'm gonna be honest with you, and this is my man. But me and him, that's all We have a competence music and it's nothing. You know, I don't have the else in common with him. But that's great. That lets you know how great music is. But what I'm trying to say is that's the difference, like when you yelling a certain thing and then the opposite. That's the problem. That's the saying with me. It's just like being a man. You stand on what you stand on. You know what I'm saying. I got friends they have they don't have a gamester morn anybody never been the streets. Some of them as police officers. I got friends that just only go to college. I got friends. If I go walk down the street, I know if we get jumped, they're gonna run. I don't have no issues. I got to issue what to do that Like, Yo, we're gonna get it in, We're gonna get busy. I gotta bust my good in this and that. And then when we get it in and studding happened, you run. You're not who you saying. You just be who you say you are. And I'm okay with that. Totally different, and that's a totally different thing. Gangster is being who you are to me. Geinster is not being to a man that worked for the garbage truck he gae he said, I'm gonna somebody beat him up. Differs nothing, And that's how I mean to sum it up. Just staying on your team, you know, at the end of the day, whatever you on, what your principles are, Yeah, whatever you feel or whatever you display, just staying on it. Don't don't backpedal. You know what I'm saying, You can't because pressure hit Now it's like, oh, Ship, let me get out of the way. I don't need that right Like if sometimes you bring that pressure. So if you bring that pressure, you gotta stand on your team face or whatever coming at you. Whether that may mean you may take the all out the situation, you can't. Because that's the thing nowadays. A lot of people picking twooes what they do because they gotta make sure they're gonna take the win. You gotta think just from a street aspect, that's the reason why a lot of people get shot. Niggas ain't a lot of niggas wouldn't have takeing, no ass swooping, you know what I'm saying. Like they're that scared of their risk their life, so they don't take it. My thing is just staying on your tea and whatever that may be. Because the same thing with my sayment, I got people from all different walks of life. The difference is I don't expect them to do Ship for me. I don't need them to fight my battle. So you can be yourself and I'm gonna be good regardless. I know how to handle my it. That's what I'm saying. But that's that's really it. Just stand on your team. What I do want to address is you just said, you just said, is it hard doing what we're doing? Black excidence, no difference, Like just just because I might here on the front line fighting for people, I was doing that back then. So just because I do, and you know I would only use it or a negative type of vibe. Yeah, I think the concede. The reason I'm addressing is because I don't want that. That's like me and my song. Right. We got an album that um we recorded in Kentucky, were living in Kentucky fighting for Brianna. We left the family doing something. Heard a few few few tracks. I don't know what they really did. I'll let y'all know when it so, you know, we left off families and we literally moved to Kentucky, you know, um fighting with the people Kentucky and in the process we on the front line so much, we don't have time to do music. So we we had my engineer Watson come out and we did add within two days. But the reason I'm bringing up because of some people sense it's like, how y'all, what kind of what kind of music you're gonna be doing because you're on the front line fighting for the people. Like Nick, I'm gonna do the same. I'm You're gonna hear the same niggas, fuck you and whatever. And at the end of the day, I'm gonna get because the thing is I've been giving them real music before they start seeing us fight for the people. You know what I'm saying, And it's gonna continue to be there. Like I'm not gonna I don't. I wouldn't feel comfortable change and not being me. I'm not gonna sit here up here like say, I'm not gonna make street music or the music? What if that? Do you know? What do you mean by that? Like you know that new version of you know, activism, Be honest with you. I hate when people call me activists, even people call me anything. What do you think? What do you think this is? I don't there's no new version of your outcome by the people? What what what world do we call those? Well? No, I mean you can say activists. I'm an organizer. So that's different from being an activist. An activists anybody is an activist is when you feel like something is bothering you and you want to jump in and space. You know, you could do online activism, you could put boots on the ground, you could uh raise money, send money, do all of that. That makes you an activist and organizes somebody who can make those opportunities for you to get involved possible. So we're putting together we create the movement where the strategist, if you will. And so I'm an organizer, but all of us are organizes and and and we have become that over you are. I mean, I'm so disorganized. My organizing is so disorganized. I am more of an activist in leadership because I have I know how to move like I'm so disorganized. That's one of the that's one of my things that I have to work on her Linda. They are our organized like within until freedom, which I was trying to say before I missed it, but until and within until freedom, Tamika and Linda organized like I come up with ideas, strategies, I want to go out there. I'm gonna standing on the front line. Me and trade, gonna be out there. What y'all need this to do? We out there. We're gonna put our bodies on the line. We're gonna utilize our platforms, are voices we got, y'all, We're gonna hold your damn that's what we do. But when it comes to organizing the ship that we come up with, that's their strategy, strategic that we probably don't take the time to map out A, B, C, D. We may be focused on A and B. They're thinking the E and M. We're thinking of how we've been to run through this ship. And you got a job, you gotta walk, you gotta go this way, you gotta go. I'm like, when you know what, I was just gonna say that that's just naturally what women if you if you go all the way back, women always play a part in that, you know anything. But what I did want to say is that's just like so even with the activists, like I hate when people say, hey, man, um, you know I'm watching y'all in politics. I'm not in politics. I don't like politics, and I don't I do what I want to do how I want to do it. I'm not following the rules and I'm not gonna do what you need me to do so we can be I like, now I'm gonna do what I do and you're gonna accept it or you ain't gonna accept it. So I guess a lot of these titles I just kind of straight away from a funny story me and tell I argue about the all time right and here and be like, hey, bro man, that ship you're doing it's so much more bigger than the music. And I used to would have like, I don't try to make me stop rapping right now and sucking box too, But all the this is just me. I'm just gonna help people regards and I'm gonna jump out there for people, but I'm still gonna be me. I'm I feel like I got to a point where we figured out how to master being us and combining as I ain't gonna learn. Nobody to put me in no bracket like I refused. You know what I'm saying. I think I know what he means. You know what, let's all to take a break. So we just lets take a break off. And this is something that we've been talking about internally, um for a while. I'm trying to start a movement with my niggas. Your niggas don't excuse you, you don't call each other niggas, Okay, So listen, replaced the word it's a meeting called the yadas like a kig and you know, and that I was using the word ya day not knowing it was an actually African meeting to it. Okay. So we've been trying, but so what do y'all stand on? Just the other day, I called my son Trey, and my son just released one of the videos on the album that they worked on, and so I went to the Until Freedom Out Organization's page. I don't run it, Linda does, and I went on there and I and and then I clicked the video to watch it and listen to it, and they negative. It's negative, a negative, I said. I called my son, said, is there another clip that we could actually use the post? And he said no, because sometimes it's not time to say, bro, what I want to say. They but my thing is this, right, that's definitely a debate, right, And I'm and I don't have a problem with the debate right because we understand the origin of the word nigger, we understand where it's came from, how it's been used to oppress out people, to demean on people. But we also have to realize that at some point our people embrace that and we utilize it as a form a symbolism of unity right to where we utilize you, that's my nigga. Right, So you don't get to tell me what something means to me and the people I'm talking to. Right. If you think about language, right, language, the same word means different things in different languages. That's what language is. Language is only a level of communication, the form of communication between the people that you in in that language are familiar with. Right. Because in Spanish they have words right that means different English and Spanish. Right, and they pronounced the same exact way. Right. So nigga is one of those words in our colloquialism. Right. We've used that in our colloquialism in our communities to embrace each other. Just just a word that we use. Right. So people get so caught up and oh, you use the word, and I'm like, I'm talking to the boy on the corner that with him and his friend talk. The only word they used to talk to each other's nigga. Right. I need them to come to the movie. I'm not trying to get you. You already here, you're to Oh, I can't believe you. You don't need to believe Mebbies. But my thing is this, It's not just the babies, it's the it's what babies right, because I know that the world already toxic, not just toxic. I know that when I use the word nigga, not gonna close something money, you're good, But when they're gonna look what's up. I've just seen you over here. I've just seen you with this person. I seen you, and you're not so far removed to where you're coming here talking to language a language to us that we don't even identify what or talk to. I don't have to try to be something I'm not exactly. So what I'm trying to say is it may not be your method, right, because there's a lot of people that use methods to do ship that I don't agree with. Right. It's a lot of people that dress ways and talk ways that I don't agree with. I don't it's a lot of my my um idols who have vocabularies that's far beyond the community, But I love them. Some of the words they say, I don't know what the funk they're talking about, right, I gotta look it up. But I love them because it makes me push myself. Some people don't want to be pushed. They want you to meet them, meet them where they are. Right. So I don't judge you because you talk a language that most of the people that I'm where I'm from don't care about. Right, I don't think that you even communicate or care about. I'm not that you don't care about. But I know that the language that you're using does not communicate with the people that I'm trying to save. I don't you're doing said you're doing something wrong. I don't judge nobody if your method is working for you, if you're changing lives, if you're changing When I go on my d MS, it's sixteen fifteen, fourteen, thirteen year old kids. That's like, damn, I'm I listened to you and I want to change my life. I was in this lifestyle. I want to change, but love it. What what do I need to do? That means what I'm doing is working. Whether you agree or the method I'm doing it, everybody, it's a different direction to get to the same location, right, I don't got to travel the way you travel. If what I wasn't doing, if I'm doing what i'm doing is not effective, to talk to me. I know what I'm doing is effective. So if the word nigga is all you gotta talk about, if you if only thing you gotta tell me is that I need to stop doing doing the world nigga, I'm doing something right. You did a rally. I think it was a grand call. Of course, you have the Latin kids of blood, so you did you have to speak to them, you kind of speak to them where they at. Because I know that because when my form of communication right, my form of activism, my form of leadership is understanding. I say, when I was fifteen and sixteen, how would you have had to have a conversation with me for me to get it? Not just just talking. You kind of came with the suit and this and these big words. And because I'm gonna look at you and he who is this bozough, I'm not even gonna first of all, your whole approach to me is gonna be wrong. Right, So when the dude, that's why we got into the streets, because the drug dealer was the most successful person we had, right, I was lucky enough to have drug dealers that had a sense of consciousness right to what they didn't want. They was trying to keep the young boys out of streets. They would give us money rather than give us packs. You know what I'm saying. They don't want to give us packs. That or you want to get some money, blood here and take a pack now we want Or you play ball and you're smart. Right, I'm listening to you, you twelve team, you're smart. We want to make sure you get to college. We're gonna you need some new sneakers, or you need money to go to camp, We're gonna give you that. That's those the o G s I was around. I was lucky enough to have those levels of o GS. But I understand if they had had something else on their mind, they could have derailed me another way. So when I have the conversations with the thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixte year olds, I'm like, I want to talk to you in a manner that I know that you're gonna receive it, not the way I'm trying to force feed you something, because I think you should accept the way I'm doing. No, that's not how you communicate with people. You don't communicate with people, how you think or you want them. Oh well, I'm not saying the world nigger, and I'm gonna say I'm gonna use these words, these big words that you never heard, and you got to accept it. If that works for you, I'm not knocking it. Maybe you might change some lives with that. I know it wouldn't have worked with me, So understanding that that wouldn't to work with me, I come to these young people the way that I know it would have worked with me. So there's gonna be everybody's got a different perspective on it, yourself, because that goes to what you're saying, is that just you have to be authentic at the same time something that you think is gonna resident because my thing just because you're just like, we don't drink champs. Now you may see us on Instagram on TV. Guess what, when I leave here, I go right back to my city and I'm in everything in every community, dealing with real life. So I'll be damned if I don't be myself and continue that speak on what I'm going through. You know what I'm saying, I'm just blessed, Like how might say it, I'm blessed. I understand what it is being part of the old and being a real big homie. A real big homie is you grab some of the little homies under your under your wing or in the head, like hey man, yeah bro take that ship there, ro like, at least give yourself a chance. But I understand the pressure hit and it's nothing that. Secondly, then you gotta do what you gotta do the feedure family. See. The thing is, I don't I don't walk away to understand what the reality is because I've been there and we're gonna, We're gonna, well, I was am that speaks of that coot come as you are. I'm acceptable, but I really did do so. Check out an album coming out with all my ships back to the normal ship. But the thing is, if you ever pay attention to my music, I always give you the real. That's what makes people. I think that's why people even gravitating to me doing what I do or or just me as a person, because I always been me. I never try to be nothing else. Man, I can't. The only thing I want to say on the nigger thing, and and you know I don't. I don't care. I say nigga all the time, so I'm not I'm talking to my kids. Maybe that's why we talked to each other. I'm sorry. Yeah, it gets bad sometimes, so you know, I'm not trying to I'm not judgmental about it at all. But what I do know is that if you try to make an album right now using a word that is offensive or has negative history for the Jewish community or for the gay community, it won't happen. It won't get published. And so you have to ask yourself, why are they okay what you're using a word that is demeaning to our community or that has a history of being demeaning to our community. But they will never ever let you say some of the same type of words about other people. And that's the thing, because when Michael Jackson said don't drew me down, they took that joint off the stands, cleaned the album, and then put the album back out. So that's the only that's the only issue that comes up for me. And and it doesn't mean I don't use it, but it does mean that when I'm speaking in public, I'm careful about saying it, knowing that it would be fine for me to say something that sends a trigger to a certain community, but I could never go out and say anything offensive to other people who are who who who respect the three of their oppression. If we look at the history of black people, right, we had to make chiplands a delicacy might even if one of the biggest things in house. We had to make lemons limited. We we had to figure out how to make everything they gave us. And that's what that's that's like to let me, I'm just saying that it is yet another perspective that should be do about you to give my perspective. Right, So, black people are the most creative people in the world. We figured out how to take whatever you gave us in multiplied right, We figured out how to take everything negative that you thought for us and turn it into something else. We that's what our culture is. When you talking about those other right, they don't do that. They they've never taken If you look at most other coaches, whatever was negative directed to them, they kept it negative. But here's the deal. But but but it's a great point. But there's a certain level of respect that their communities get as well. And you got to ask yourself, why is it? Because they're things that we've been fighting for and the challenges that we face and the constant disrespect that we receive. Perhaps perhaps it has something to do with the fact that we constantly take the negative and make it positive, and therefore people don't feel like we really need just because in other communities, when another community past, but when but when other communities feel something is wrong to them, they put their foot down and they mean it and they and they don't and they don't make it good. So that you don't ever think because there's certain things about you, in terms of loyalty and other things that I have learned about you over time, I can't play with it. You never make it good. You've been very clear that this is a line that if anybody crosses it, it's a problem for me. And so I think that our communities made need to look at who gets what those things to what was the line? Because that was your man. That's such a big context. I'm so glad you were little, because I can't wait to give my man. That man was scurity. Man. I wasn't in security. But I'm saying a little bit, a little bit, a little bit because he tried this what he does let me a little bit. You know he's doing that? Was this man too like me. I got love for for for for about a decade, right, glad Iss been my friend. Was my friend? Rights that he really? He was my friend? Like to Meka knows I told this is my friend. Like everybody who knows this is my friend. I've had arguments with people. I've got in debates, Oh that this was my friend. Because I first came home, you know, I'm fresh up trying to do this, and I was like, yo, I got an opportunity for you to get a record deal. I had the single that was out Jim jones On and he shot the video for me. He helped me do all this ship like we're gonna get your record deal. We've got some money in my pocket. Was helping me do a lot of ship when when dudes who I had done shipped for in this industry didn't do nothing for me. Dudes, I've that I thought it was family. I came home with nothing, didn't do nothing for me. This was one of the first people that just fun with me. Honestly, wasn't on a bullsh like y'all funk with you. I like your music, mom Bom, and we we started having conversations. I'm like, yo, I funk with the dude. He's a he's a white dude. He don't really know much from the hood. He's not hood, but that's who he is. And he'll tell you. I'm not hooked. He gotta he got a website. This is what he does. He push it like, this's what I do. You know, I pushed it, you know, and I'm okay, cool, but just understand you might have to deal with that. I get it. I get it. Okay cool. When you do some bullshit, I'm gonna check you because that's who I am. I'm never gonna let you do some bullshit on my watch and not check you Boom. But with somebody do some bullshit to you, and I know it's bullshit because they think you're just a white boy, I'm gonna check them, like, Okay, I know you're white boy. You think but he is my friends, so we're not gonna play that either. So that's been my position in his life for a while. So he'll come to New York if he was in. When he lived in New York, we hung out all the time. Boom boom. I knew his family at the dinner, at the table women this house, like this is who my this is for my friend, this is friendship. So Niggason said what they want nigger. I've never been nigger. You can buy, you can't pay me for nothing. I'm not a sucker, you know what I'm saying. I've never been anybody who knows me. No, I stand on what I'm stand on. But he's showed he is exhibited a level of loyalty and friendship to me that wasn't exhibited to people that I thought was my family and friends. And that's just you know what I'm saying. So that's what it was. So for years we went through that. I took flat with him when he did ship. I had be for high Tonight seven when he was talking about all types of ship me Evil had conversations Mr C like, Yo, this is my friend whatever it is, I get it, but it's my friend me and why I had a conversation, So he did with ray J this is my friend. Yeah whatever, all right, Why I hear you? But that's my man. So I'm not letting nothing happened to him. That's just a fact. And this this is a real ship, like he had real ship, and I had to step in like, Okay, I get what you're saying. I'm gonna make him fix that, but I can't let you do nothing to him because it's my friend. So if you crossed the line of that, didn't understand, this is still my friend. I've done that on the strength of who I am as a man. The part where he crossed the line for me was in this situation with Mr Fericon, right, So when he when the situation happened, I didn't know what was going on. You know what I'm saying, people calling me blah blah blah. I see this on the thing. I'm like, black, what happened? Oh you see what he said? I'm like, what did he say? I don't understand what you're saying he said. He's like, yeah, I just did interview with um who was it? Del UGUALI you know deal, Luli said what he wanted to say. Nobody, nobody talks about that part. But that's neither here nor anyway. My friend, that's that's her friend, and I know de Usui, but nobody has called him to the table about what his part in that situation because he didn't. He had a big part in that situation. That's it. He had a part in that situation. Nobody everybody ignored his part. I guess because Lad is the white dude that they didn't like cool. I did, and he's a white dude that didn't like so cool. So he asked del usually some questions. He said this, and he labeled it saying that the minister calls for violence against you, something like, Glad, where where did you get that phone? He sent me a clip? So when I see the clip, I'm like, I see the clip, but that's not the whole clip. Lad, Where where did you get this? Oh? He's been saying this, Okay, but what has that got to do with this clip that you just sent me? Because this is not the whole clip that that the minister said. So I sent him the whole clip. I said, you need to listen to the whole clip because you'll realize that he didn't call for violence. He was talking about something out of the Bible that talked that it says those stones at evil and this and that, not the Jews. You know, those stones that when you see him, those stones of truth, not physical stones to hurt nobody. He was talking. He was using scripture, so he left. He said, oh, I didn't see this whole thing, all right, So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna take it down. Me. Trade called me and trade me and trade head converent said it's trade called me like, yo, boom, what's going on. We got on the phone with him. He said, Yo, I'm gonna take it down, and I'm gonna say that out of respect. I'm taking it down even though I don't agree with a lot of things the minute said, but I'm I'm going to take it that. I said, Okay, cool, I can't tell you to agree with somebody with somebody says, you know what I'm saying, So cool. That was enough. He took it down. Anybody like, now you need an apology, like yo, he calls me like mice. You know, I'm not gonna apologize because the situation is something I don't feel like I have to apologize. I took it down. I said, I misquoted it. I did everything possible, but people now trying to make me apologize. Now. When I heard the apology thing and make me apologize, I said to myself, damn this reminds me of the situation that happened went to me good when they were saying, yo, you gotta say this, and you gotta say this, and the Holy Unites like you need to say this, and I'm like, yo, nobody can't force you to say what you don't want to say. Who gets the funk to tell you how to talk? Right? So this is what's my thing. I'm like, yo, listen, you don't gotta apologize, but you gotta write the role. You gotta take that ship down and said you made a mistake. Now, if you don't want to apologize, cool, I don't. I'm not asking you to apologize, right, And he's like, yeah, you know, thank you because it just messed up so cool, you don't want, but you gotta deal with the ramification and apologizing because the nation of Islam is gonna want an apology from me. Now if you wanted to deal with what comes with that. Cool, He's like, you know from that because I stand on what I'm stand on and I wanted to lose friends and everything behind this. So I'm okay, that's how you feel. But you fixed the wrong. You took that ship off, the thing you said you made a mistake. Cool. Now Royce comes up, Yo. He had a conversation with him saying, oh, Flash said, I gave my song money, done this and that. I'm like, okay, why would that conversation come up with you and Royce? Where would that give my some money for what? What if you ever gave my so all money from you loaned? You've done ship for me like in chrisis that friends would do. Because I thought this was my friend. If you call em like, y'all need this, I need you to let me give me five dollars right now for something that's going on here, I send it to me. Everything going said, Yo, I've given Nory money because that's your friend, right, this is your friends. So the fact that he had a conversation with a man about money he gave me that wasn't really nothing. Seven hundred dollars like I think we've been I thought we's friends for ten plushes. So when you having a conversation with another man about what you do for me, I don't even know where that comes from. So that's one thing. Then me and me and Royce getting to back and forth debate about it drove me out of my mind. Trays called me that right now, Trades texting me like, get old. I'm mad because I'm having a conversation with Nigga and We're going back and forth, and I'm like, regardless of what I'm standing on, what I'm stand on, and this is my friend. But obviously I'm starting to realize he I might not be his friend. But by the way, this conversation is going right, me and Royce like, but why would a man say this? And even though I still had a situation with Royce, you got my phone number, you could have called me. I didn't you have to put some on Instagram. And that was my issue with Royce, like racing you got my number. If you didn't have my number and you said Lad said he did this for my son, I wouldn't feel away. But the fact that you've got my number, we're supposed to have a relationship. I feel you out of pocket for that. So that's really where my whole thing with him is. I'm it even about Lad at this point, it's about me and you blood just say, yo, you know what, I could have called no, and you He's still staying, Nah, I shouldn't have called you. He said that, So I said it to the world. I don't understand why you think that's okay. So we're going back and forth after you know, the phone with him, Me and Tray have a conversation trade like, nah, Broe, that's my brother. I'm gonna take in what he I'm gonna absorbing, he said to me. Right, everybody's calling me saying this, I'm absorbing. So I called Lad. I'm like, Glad, I just don't understand how a conversation about you giving me money came into a conversation with you Royce, Like, where did that? Oh? I thought I was having a private conversation this and that. So I remember. So we're going back and forth, like, but what is it that? Why don't you feel that you want to apologize? It is there, it's you. He's like, He's like, listen, I said, Nick, Nick can't. Nick Cannon got into the situation. He apologized. He said, well, Nick Cannon had to apologize because his money was affected, right, he said, My money ain't being affected. I had the best month in lad TV. Ever, So I said, so you're telling me that if your money was so, it ain't about principle for you. It ain't about you standing on with you because you told me I'm standing on what I'm stand on as a man. I'm so now if those if that was your money being affected, then you would apologized. So so you don't feel that black people affect your money. You don't feel like disrespecting one of the leaders of black community affects your money. So you know, you don't feel like you have to apologize because if it affected your money and this was a bad week of lad you would go up and say, Yo, you know what, apologize, that's what you're saying to me. He's like, I'm saying I mean, listen, I'm not saying that. But we gotta be honest. If it wasn't affecting my money, I would have to think differently. I said, Oh, so you want to you say you wouldn't lose friends. You want to compromise my friendship, throw me under the bus for protecting you as a friend, lose lord, You and Maul the only people that black people who've been holding you down for years. Because it's not affecting your money, so we just expendable. But but if it was affecting your money, you would apologize. You ain't gonna affect your money because you know that we gotta deal with ship as black people from this community that you profit off every day. You don't give a funk about that. I said, Okay, Glad, this is I realized now you never was my friend. At that point, I realized, you're not my friend. You feel like I benefited you as some way, so you kept me around because I don't jeopardize or benefit or take away from your money. The minute that I take away from your money, then you're gonna do ship for me. That makes sense. Right At that point, I realized we're not friends. You know what I'm saying. He he drew that line. It wasn't nobody else. You can't talk me into not being man's with my man. Nobody can. If I called you my friend, the only thing that could damage my friendships you nobody can't tell me nothing about you. The change I went to that man, he looked me and he talked to me on the phone and told me that he wasn't gonna pologize because it didn't jeopdize his money, even though it harmed black communities and the people that I loved and people that I looked up to even or harm them. It didn't gemp it out your money. So because I came to you as your friend who you know, was front line with you, willing to take beefs and ship from you and say, yo, this is probably the best thing that you didn't that wasn't something that you after he was still running around with him because I said, he told because he was citizen beat you, you get go that I was holding, I'm saying, that's your job. Listen, how you're not gonna go beat the niggas. He didn't gonna shoot nobody. So I didn't take it as that. I took it as a civilian. Did the civilian take take you ship? Didn't even talk. It is the consequences of friendships with white people. And that's a hard reality that people might not want to hear, but it is the consequences of being friends with white people because even they don't understand the damage that they cause to our community and our relationships. They don't necessarily understand because it's not but it's like you know, theirs and when we talk about this all the time. We just on street politicians the other day on our project. It's just a plug we got. We're gonna be the things whether with dream Chance. Eventually, especially we might have to move our podcast to may Me. But you know, I've experienced the same. In fact, it's a couple of white women that are I'm friends with that come to mind, and I think about situations that have happened over time where they really either thought they were doing the right thing or really didn't care, but it ended up causing harm to me and people that I have relationships with, And it's just it's just the consequences of the fact that they don't have the analysis, if you will, or the commitment to our people in our community, because in this situation, I know Lad, and there's been times and I've actually had conversations. I remember being in um where was I what's the club with the stairs? And in New York jay Z's club loud as Hell, and I'm over there, like in the corner telling Glad about some ship that I saw on his site that I was like, it's not cool when everybody knows this. I called me the other day to have a conversation with him about something. Charlemagne, I deal with him all day on text message. Y'all. I do it to Tip, I do it to killing Mike all of them when I feel like there's something that you know that they're doing that needs to be addressed right and that I think they need to think about differently. And so I, because he was my son's friend, I have done the same thing with Lad. But what I realized is that in his mind, and this is what often happens with white people that I'm talking about in state of emergency. My book is that it's about them first, even the ones that are your good friends, they haven't made the commitment yet that they need to sacrifice themselves and their privilege in order to ensure that their friendship with you is about uplifting and empowering you. Their position is it's me first. And then I thought, with you, but I'm not going to put myself in harm's way in order to help you. And that's a problem. That's a problem. That's it. That's what it was good. But my son is as much as cool as you. Never had an issue with the clickbait in the way to me, and when he did it to W I felt it was extreme. I would call him and you gotta take that. People don't even know. There was so much that I have Lad change that I'm like, you can't post that he did. He did it to Chis, my brother. We did drink tims together. That's when I did drink. He wrote about Chili talks about still carrying the gun even while on parole. No, that wasn't the one. I don't remember what it was. That's what he wrote. Is like. But just when he said Chi talks about still having guns while he's on parole, I'm like, what do you I said that man on parole now he don't know he was talking about it then, and I'm like, no, you putting click he said when they listened to the interview, I'm like, glad. Some people don't listen to the interview the motherfucking his parole over. Some might be like, yeah, we need to call him in and check him, pat him down, all type of ship. She calling me like cheat, Like, blad, you gotta take that. He didn't. I'm glad, you gotta take that down right now. He did it to another friend of ours, Omar, who killed somebody when he was young in a fight. Physically, you know, we're not with guns or anything. Um and Omar is my son's best friend, but he's very close to me as well. And he and the storyline was something like, you know, it was basically glorifying because when its stemmed from it stems from Joe Buttons right, So Joe buttons at like Joe. Joe is a dude, right that I actually like right, Like, when me and Joe was in the same facility, we have the best conversations. We build like the studio. When he first started shooting his podcast out with the studio that I introduced him to, Like, Joe see me coming from a studio in his hood, and I was like, where you out of the studio right here, like where I left, right down the block. I'm like, yeah, you need to come over here. He didn't even know about the studio. And then the meeting my Man's the podcast that they said this podcast movie was originally set up for me and to meet this podcast. We told him that we're gonna shoot the podcast, and Joe ended up shooting the podcast first. So that's how the Joe Bid podcast actually got started. So this is my I was in the studio when he did the song this, and Drake like I was there and like, this is my man. We're sitting there kicking it all the time. So when we in each other's vicinity. I just there's a level of love, like when you see it happened with him and me, goes, I was at the B T Wars. I had just left him. We left. I called him you good, Yeah, I'm good one mom. This is this is who I proceive. But Joe has a way of doing like seeing little slick shit, right, that would be like what why did you say that about me? Like it just be like how did that happen? Joe? Like you said that people ask you something about me? Like I don't people saying that might son is fake with this, you know, the civil rights thing. I don't know. This was the word that people were saying. Why would you you know already bit my nail? So what are we going with this? No? So I'm just so so anyway you can tell us. I don't know what I'm saying, you know, it just was just it was something I had to get off my chest because I love Joe. He said some ship that just kind of rubbed me just a little. Listen, I feel like I'm not I'm talking and I'm way talking to Joe, and my talking to Joe, I'm almost I'm like only attablished like you talking to anyway. So anyway, Joe Black Joe Buzz had did an interview and he was talking about Lad. Right Black Lad had did an interview talking about Joe. Joe went on his podcasts we talked about Lad and said, yeah, you was at you know, you was somewhere with my son. Y'all was at a club and I've seen y'all day and I'm like, what the funk I need to I'm definitely not going to if you and my son, and they're like, this is definitely not a club I need to be at. So I'm like, what what does that mean? Joe? You know what? And you and he said, and um, Glad was talking about my friend Omar. He said yeah, and Blad was, you know, he's trying to get some props. So I'm with my my friend Omar. He kills somebody with his bare hands. So Joe Button continuously used that during the segment of the show, you with your guy who kills somebody with his bare hands, your guy who kills someone. He keeps saying that the guy kills So now Lad knows how to get hulls. So he interviews Omar, the guy who kills and that's the topic. The guy who killed somebody with his bare hands, so Ladd knows how to get click back. Joe Budding talked about him Black brings him up there. He talks always up he one of us like he is straight down like him and Trade remind me of each other so much. You don't really talk that much. And he whatever like this. So that's why these are two of my fast you know what I'm saying. Trade but right so him and always like the same. So he brings up oh, up there and he does an interview. Oh so all of the titles is like he kills somebody with his big hands and this isn't that? So now omar been home for like the last ten years, eight years or whatever, not a person who he killed. He would kill somebody a sixteen, seventeen years old out of a fight, whatever the situation to do, end up dying. Those people still lost a loved one, you know what I'm saying. So he's creating situations with him back in his home town like he's growing for He asked him questions. That's kind of being and always like yo, I did what I did? You know I've served my time for it. You know, I wish his family no problems this and that, and he but this is my truth. So he ends up getting into situation on the internet with people from his own hometelling yo, funk that this is on and this and that. So why would you have to like? But I understand. So she was man like, Yeah, why the funk would he even post that up? Why would he try to glorify this and that? And I understood, But I also understood. Like I told Oh, I said, you know, Lad was I had now when it comes to security, Omar was the person that had to do with security for black Like he would call you know what I'm said, Um, Lad would called me and be like, yo, you got somebody that I'm going sudden and set up like I'm gonna called Old. This is my mates just came home. He slid. I know he's gonna make sure you're good. So oh and him became but you said, you know what, the black did it to me too, because whatever interview I did with you, somehow another became that I hated black men. What was we talking about in that interview? We were talking about speeching about Bill Cosby and then she said something about anything. Next thing you know, I want to Internet, and Twitter decides because you know, Twitter is a brain, and Twitter decided that I don't like black Man, And I'm like, see that's around going on these shows. But you know, at the end of the day, black really was my song. No I was no, No, No, I was glass Friend. Well, I know that's a quick time slot because there's no time about my phone too quick time? What does that mean you one of thosewo questions one of two questions you started off this quick time is line. I got to choose, choose one. You gotta change it to who you want to put it too. No, I could be everybody can answer this, Nasa jay z Oh, that's tough because I gotta go all our family. I'm gonna say no, it's me and laws about I'll rock for both of them. If you're going off, we need what was what you bet? I just say I'm going off family. I'm saying if I had to pick, I'm going with eyes nas is more. That's two guys. When you know what's stop stop answer your phone. Um, I mean I think I'm gonna have to say j and I'm only gonna say I mean, I don't know that's a hard like who asked that stupid question? It's two times. Apparently you've been to start with you buddy, get up boards a U G K Jay supports me. Okay, we moved onto that. Called me on the phone and tell me. I say, I'm gonna say both. And what was the question? The second question? Boys, I'm to get a voice. Yes, I don't even know what I'm sorry alright with Tupac A bit no funny about that. Both I love listen to I love this because it's in New York. Ship. But when I look, who's closer to who I am? Like, like, it's just you know what I'm saying. So like, both of them have a real imprint on my life. But Pop is closer to my spirit animal. Definitely to be good with you, I was in a relationship with Tupac in my mom. We just put that my boyfriend. Okay, So yeah, noise shout out to be there. You know my company bump Box, we just actually released. That's your company. Yeah, one of the honest shot the box. So we gotta get you one over here. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about trade we got let finish. It's just it's just well, I'm gonna mis talk, but I'm gonna say we just released the actual notorious big bump box that we just released the Lea one last week. You'll listen to me. Trade is the most resourceful person I've ever met. Like Trade is the person you call up on the phone at eight o'clock. Whatever you got you need is did by twelve. He don't play no games bump boxes. See, it's literally out your partfrom I called Trade on a holiday New Year's I called him, like the day before New Years and I said, I need my cousin is very sick and he needs what help for COVID. Two days later, no, no male moves on New Year's Day somehow Another the next day the person my cousin calls me like, I got this box of sea Mars. What else is in their black seed oil? A reaganal oil? This? Yeah, yeah, you know, And I just I've been spreading the lot as you gave me that his resources whatever. He's so generous, like he's like a gentle giant, like you don't know, he hate that term with his family, Like he's lovable. But when it's somebody else need you know, we're on the front line. We're going to It's like me so when you when you when you see somebody, what the fun is like? What have you? There's no hospital. That was a rambo. So when I got shot, um, I went to a hospital and they didn't. They didn't Before they could even get to it. You just see people running through the house panic and they like, what's going on? It's over a hundred niggas outside. You know what I'm saying, But you know that there to make sure I'm good. So at that point they try to shut the hospital down. They're more focus on that, and I'll never forget one of the people even ask If you look on the end of that, you'll find one. People ask me for a picture. I'm looking at them like bit you asked me for a picture. I'm bleeding nothing back right now, you know what I'm saying. But I can tell he was there. They are heart broke. I let the man get the pictures. But little story short, I went home. They put me our thoughts, but I went home here myself, you know, just long story short, cleaning it up, you know, and stopping the bleeding. But the bullet was sitting stayed in my shoulder for like four or five years, and like it was to the point that it was almost bored and not but it never was cut. So I mean it was never my skin was never cut. So at one point, probably close to the fifth year, I was waking up and it'll be blue and it's flat solidover my own I'm like, damn, and it's real tender. So probably a day later it was a lot more blood. At this point, it's like I'm looking at it and I'm one of the people, you know, I'm I'm gonna push it to the limit. So you know, I started squeezing and you know, um blood was coming out, and I go down to the I go on my bathroom. I'm like, man, I'm about to get this ship uphout of me. Caught my nephew down and then I missed the out. I'm telling them I'm gonna do he young man, you gotta let me peel with this ship. Go go viral. I get about no vil. I'm trying to figure this ship out. So I go to so I'm not even paying attesting to him at this point. I'm just na's time, Like I couldn't get this ship about it somethinghow away? Man? That ship you can look at the video and oh yeah, he definitely yeah, he definitely feeled it, and yeah I did it. Still didn't go to the hospital. I just thought cleaning it the same way and stuffing there with guards and ship. You can't even really you can't see the stunt of the rights rambow ship you know who back and then looking on that what did you put them touching on that? Mother? What you did that? You know? Soap for water man? Stuff it up and wrapping. Don't cut ant of the quick time stuff. Let's see, uh, Queen Latifa a rhapsody that's everybody man everything because at the end of like wraps, she's until freedom should be both? Just say both both, because Queen Latifa texted saying, how can I help? You can't be mad at Listen said, though that's my system. Look we're sucking the whole clay we got we we answered, I was going to answer, yeah both. Next, all right, dead friends are publican public enemy? Probably? I mean I would say public enemy just because I'm more familiar with public enemy. Thinking of that. We just released the EPM D bump box too. Yea dead president. I'm looking at my phone because by five o'clock today and it's almost five o'clock turning in stuff this book. He like to leak in my book on the way too. So in my book, dj F shot out to dj and he brought a bunch. He brought I always ever called me. He brought about Spader's words. He brought both of them. But he was one of the first people by the spin, one of the first. He was like, I didn't I was gonna bring it. I forgot because my two little kids have been crazy my book. I know my rights. Hold on. Okay, shout out to mcbradness, my guys public enemies for me. I love, I love Differnce, but but I need you present you already ones very fast. Want the time right real quick? Fine about Marco, Nope, damn it, damn Malcolm two bottoms, all right, respect a loyalty, respect, respect many Yeah, and ladies. Nineties I was born born, but the music in the nineties and me, okay, eighties, I like old I like seventies music. Bernie Bernie Phil Burn. Let's take a shot at the Bernie. We have big chance. We have him said this'n all right, yeah, we got this is about it up Dr dre up Park that Dre. No, No, I can't say that we can want with both. I like both of them both from my but you have to do you do. But Mr Lead came over the A five times. I'll say both. But just where we come from. Dr Dre definitely, he said the toll for everything. Yeah, I'm getting away from y'all trouble little my friends, and then we get of the last one. Shout out to my bros. Dza and Monty too. You know it's used to to be on drinks. This is probably the hardest one right here. Okay, this is father. Let me tell you something though, this was not If Kamala Harris believes which I'm joking, Guys, that Michelle Obama it's her friend, she's not. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why because when you are young, you learned that you don't show up to nobody's birthday party dressed better then the actual person who's having the part. If you saw how Michelle Obama shows, Listen to me, now, ship is until freedom is right. We're gonna say this ship that every the politically correct pert you would have said, Hey, you know, everyone their things. I'm saying I'm not saying she did it on purpose. I'm saying you're supposed to think about it beforehand, that when you're going up when you're young, you learned, don't upstage the bride, but you don't when you stage, you're still upstage. But she staying that she was wearing pants in a sweater to this thing, but you can't wear it wasn't even it's not even plumber whatever that ship was called wine. Okay, she was so bad that hair curl that bounced that she had that she was supposed to tell them, you know what, this outfit is so bad. I need y'all sending this over there. The Kamala was their inauguration when it was look but it was a different Michelle. You know, I don't know. She has a certain level of glamour of she has a level of of not just because when you look at the Johnny says, when you look at Michelle, let me tell you what. That wasn't always the case. When Michelle first got there. There was a process right there was they was going through shell Michelle this and that Michelle grew like she transformed, She transformed, like she grew into who she was, not saying that she did anything when she started to grow into her queendom, right und she understand the role she had different conversations, started looking at herself and said, oh, this is what I need to do for me. And she has owned who she is, right, Kamala is going to get Oh yeah, she Ka has a badass body too, And people don't really know because let me tell you, let me tell you what happens with especially lighter skin, lighter skin women, especially with lighter skin women, but with black and brown women in general. But they say something about and this is a really important point with women who are incredibly intelligent, as Compla Harris is, oftentimes you don't want to put on too much so that people focus more on your beauty and less on your power. And so she you can see that she leans with the suits and everything that she does towards see me and respect me for who I am and don't try to box me into just my fatilis. Michelle has figured out and Tomka Mallory is working at it day the balance of both and so she she's bad ass, but doesn't look tell you what makes Michelle real badass? That man she walking with that's a fine ass. Motherfucker. Okay, she w yeah, guess what I fomish you And I don't know, of course, I'm just speculating that when Michelle, when he saw her come out when they was getting ready to leave to go today, he said, that's what we're doing. We're gonna do all this right here forever. My sister on all these shots because she living it be talking about. But I've been looking a little over to the YO girls. She said, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I never seen that. I can't see involved in that drink A little scary stay inside. Me and my son are releasing February, so make sure you I'll stay tuned to that. Everything until Freedom got going on. So what is that? Why don't you even think about doing the poetitions with something that nor like nord I ain't ben gonna lie to you, right. Norbody was one of the first people that was like, yo, you need to do a podcast. And that's when I was doing so much other sho and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he like mice when you need to do pop let me know tell me that. I'm like, all right, you don't worry about to know what I'm doing. A bunch of it. He's like, Mike, just tell me, I'm gonna do this and he yo. He was consistent, right, and and I wasn't so focused on it. But what happened was we started doing all this work, me Tamika and our organizations and originally treat politicians. Was it was me, Tamika and Carmen Perez who was with Justice League, and we started doing it that way woman, you know, and I was like, let's start it, and I was gonna reach out to you, right. So what happened was we we started doing it a little bit, we fell off from everybody in the podcast world, went crazy. You became the biggest giving a lot out of both became the biggest thing in sucking podcast history. And I'm like damn. And Tomka was like, okay, yeah, we sucked up. Like I told you, our podcasts supposed to start before Joe budden Ship started he started doing his uh everything went crazy. We started, but at that time, we were doing a bunch of work, so we didn't we didn't get a chance to do it. But when and this time that we had, like in the last year, I reached out time like we need to do this and Carmen had moved to l A. She's supposed to be with us, and we're like, yo, we're just gonna do it ourselves. So we started doing this here. We started doing this, and then when she did her speech for George Floyd and when the biggest viral, they started realizing the leader that we all knew was there for years. You know. I tell her all the time, like she's been the biggest she's been out with leader. Everybody saying this, I leave them be Okay, I'm glad you're caught up because I've been to this to the president exactly. She definitely never gonna run. So we just just to make sure that because you know what, I'm a hell raiser, that's what we need. No but but no, no, no, that's not true. So go to the next person that we need a nigga about running for resident. The thing about running for president or running for any office is that you do have to compromise a lot, and we need that because they need people in office that can do that. But from my perspective, I've learned that I'm actually more effective being the person outside. That's a bit that people the fact that we can have can you like if he was like, you're not gonna have a like jay Z like jay Z. Jay Z was really interested and he wanted to run for California governor. I'm going for apartment. This is a vote for the Day Jay. I love Jay and he knows it and I love Jay. But however, however, even he it is not the nigger that you're talking about, but j for counsels. Can't run for shync queens. Problem with Isaac is running for men trained up. That was the dude who did the bid, the guy who they made the whole TV your both right. He is running like I'm about to try to endorse him a little bit. I don't know yet. I got but fifty is best where he is telling black stories. But support day is where it is best where he is because Rahapsody said on our show on Street Politicians, she supports him. No, it's not not not much the left next leader. We are crazy. And was out here. What are you talking about? Andrew was out here. He just did a show the other day. He's out here. He's Andrew is Andrew. Everybody got some ship. I'm not saying it. I don't know about that. But what I'm saying, is that, regardless of what his situation was or was not, if you pull back the curtain on any of our lives, everybody suck up. Everybody got some ship, Everybody got some ship. And it's and it's disingenuous for us to act like his ship is worse than our ship, because if you really look at it, if you really look at our stuck, each and every one of us has something that we're dealing with that we're not telling the rest of the world. Everybody does. So Andrew gill him is a smart black man. By the way, if you if he can't stand up to Andrew gill him, if you put him alongside some of these white supremacists that's in office, why can't we have him? I think it's this and I'm gonna tell you what it is to me, right, Russell, what about let me let me know for me, stand on what you're stand on, right, be who you are, like, that's who he is. It's the people saying whatever, but whatever, black man. No, don't compare a white man to Andrew Guillen as a black man. Black people are not as exactly. No, no, no, no, You're not gonna just no, no, Black people are not as accepting of the l g B t q I A community period. So I think, is this listen to me? You know about so if you if you made a conscious decision right that you're willing to galvanize votes and support based on who you not right now, that's what that's what you Because ain't nobody voted for Andrew Guillen or even sexuality issues based upon the sexual then why do you the situation? See the situation, the drugs situation. Now, I know niggros ain't about to start talking about no drugs. Iud sang he on this show and sold my truth about being addicted to drugs, So we're not even gonna deal with the drugs. The issue is that he was caught in a situation that looked like he was sleeping with men, and we as a community had to deal with the fact that our people been gay long time. We didn't just get gay last week or when the l g B t q I A community became popping and they got their rights. We've been gay for a long time. Okay, there was always Uncle so and so who was in the family that everybody knew was gay, But our communities did not allow for and we don't don't. We do not, We do not allow for that to be accepted the way in which it should. Because that's and that's why our our young people kill each other or kill themselves. That's why black trans people being killed is a thing, because people are afraid to be their true selves. So if we're gonna say what my fond is saying, which I agree with, that be who you are, we also as a community space for people to be you are. I hate what you said. No, I don't have to see the thing? Is this right? If you if you are waiting for somebody except who you are instead of making them except who you are, that's your fault. That's true. Right, you have to impose. Look, this is who I am, Like I was in prison. Right, let's say this last shot, wrapping up this, we go, This is over. We can't kick that as a matter of fact, so listen, we get kicked up. What I'm trying to say is this, if you make a converious decision right of who you are, make people accept who you are, don't wait for don't disagree, but I'm just saying that they have to be I known do it today. I didn't do it. It has to be a bound. If he's a leader, he should leave. I'm not disigreeing all. I am stating so that two things can stand at the same time. My son statement and what you just said can stand, and we all agree with that. But what also has to be set in this space, and that also needs to stand, is that our people are dealing with a fear of coming out with who we are because we are murdered for it, we are criticized for it, we're castigated for it, and we as a community have to accept the fact that being gay, or being a tree and trans, or being a part of the l g B t q I a community is who we all. We always have had people that way and we just have never really truly accepted it. My thing is this, if that's who you are in you you scared to lead in that, then you need to lead, You need to touch people, be who you are and telling your people we're not. What I'm saying is who you are standing on what you're sitting on. When the leader ain't intelligent and in fact, he would have been the best to be governor, because guess what the alternative is that a white supremacist became who wants who in my opinion, is okay with the fact that black people die every single day and they'll do shit about it. So I'd rather take Andrew Gillam anytime. Picture picture. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Chance, hosten by Yours True Really, d J e f N and n O r E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's add Drink Champs across all platforms at the Real Noriegan I g at Noriega on Twitter, mine is at Who's Crazy on I g at d J e f N on Twitter, and most importantly, stay up to date with the latest releases, news and merch by going to drink Champs dot com. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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