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Episode 258 w/ Talib Kweli & Diamond D

Published Apr 23, 2021, 7:05 AM

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with Talib Kweli and Diamond D. 

Talib & Diamond D talk New York City hip-hop! Sharing stories of Big L, Russell Simmons and more. 

The guys talk about their favorite years in hip-hop, Dave Chappelle, Kanye West and much more. Talib & Diamond D announce their new collab album β€œGotham”, dedicated to New York City! 

And Jarobi of A Tribe Called Quest also joins the conversation! 

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Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect and I Heart Radio and it's Drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. Mason, he's a legendary Queen's rapper. He's like it is your boy in r He's a Miami hippop pioneer. Up is DJ e f N. Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast. And you're number one sorts for drunk drinks. Mother. Every day is New Year's e time for Drink Champs. Drink up the mother. Would it could be Hopeully what it should be? It's your boy and what up is d J e f N? And this drink chats motherfucker? Yea, y'all would makes up load? Now right now, I guess we got one of the most legendary producers of all times, part of one of the alliest groups ever to come out of the Bronx, come out of New York City, to come out of the world. D I motherfucking TC. The man is a legend upon legends, and he's keeping then coming out here to promoter album. That's one of them. The other one is one of my favorite raptivists, activists, raptivists, whatever we call him. He's very positive. Brother. We got to talk about the time we had Russell Simmons on. Yeah, we didn't release the episode, so we don't got you know, I can get these brothers solver long. But I want to get straight into the interview case people don't know what we're talking about. My motherfucking David d Now, first of all, let's let's address um uh you guys have album together. Let's rest the elephant in the room. Yes, yes, yes, okay, Um, Well, first of all, I love the intro that you gave the O G. Diamond. Obviously he's a legend in the game. Um Me and Diamond dmon working together on his last couple of albums to die Piece albums, and so we have a great working relationship. He's one of the first, uh known on you know, a famous artist to get to sort of take me under his wing. And so when he did my show, People's Party, he has sent me a bunch of tracks and to show him some love and respect, I just bust on all of them. I was like, we just wrap on every track and the next he flew in down the next day and I played it for him, But I didn't realize it was the making of an album until I've seen this response to wait making an album. Yeah, something like ten joints and no, we're not we're not, we're not. Watch So I was like, yo, you know, um, how many how many of you did you know? I think he did like one of two. He's like, nah, I did like like eight and nine of them, you know what I mean? So that more or less just lay into the album, because that's how is that how you usually send beats? You sending beats and like boats like that, tens and pins because I get confused. I need like two beats at a time. If you send me to you sent me, I like down, So how did you able to prosper through that and get uh and we going like eight or nine? I mean it's different producers. That's just some producers who like, you need to come to my studio and work with me. That some producers that only send you the one they want you to wrap on. Some producers to send you a pack. You know, I work with mad Live a lot. You might get a pack from him for like two beats, like keep making like seven beats a minute, Like what I'm saying, I'll be confused, but I appreciate the love the Diamond showing me because I know for a fact the caliber of of how he produced it. I know for a fact he ain't sending everybody ten beats or twelve beats. I know that I have to reach a certain elite status for him to even trust me to even you know what I'm saying, to not take advantage of You know, sometimes you send people that that in my beats they make their own alum these days, and Nigga make down album and put it out right before you even knew he did it. I imagine it's weird to send beach from the era that that that you're coming from. To send beach to people must still be weird, I would imagine, I mean not at this point, definitely, definitely, because there's nothing like working with the artists in the course, you know, before the internet, you have to actually sit down with the artists, right, you know what I mean, or contact they managed me. I like that erraw better, like I always love the error when you know you couldn't send your rail, you have to go with record on the rail. Is that why people always credit like the nineties and the eighties. That for it being better music than it's happening right now is because we actually you couldn't get a Buster Rhymes verse sitting to you go in there. Yeah, the producer in the MC by the way right now as we speak, right now on Ebro showing Apple their debut in a single from Gotham album featuring Buster Rhymes. Why one, That's what I mean, y'all. Gotham the dedication with me or see now, now you've been out there with Dave Chappelle catching COVID and all that, I feel like I might be the cure. I'm the only one in the crew too. She was not. I think her people's got it. I was dead at night. They don't went to karaoke by the way. You see. I got my DJ collegue colda college colde off that I bought, by the way, that I bought from the store. But yeah, well, I had to say because when I'm on the way here, I told Fat Joe, I said, I'm interviewing uh diamond D and Tyler Quality, And he said, diamond D is literally the person who it's the nexest thing I ever heard of her Flat Joe, I ever said about anybody, anybody, he said, he said, you know, if it wasn't for you, he said, he literally came to you, literally came to him and said, you gotta rap, get the funk out of the streets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sense What up? What up? Joe? What up? Joe crackty? What's up from? How are you feeling? Oh? That's beautiful? Bro? Birthday? Domond d saved my life and we knew each other since kids, and Dinmond told me one day, Joe, Joe, every time you're doing the streets, you gotta put it in the rats. I know you like the rat or you're gonna die out here, You're gonna go to jail. And if it wasn't for that speech he gave me, I never would have really took rap serious and never would have rat. That's real, Joe, that's really you know that? Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I'll give you a cool a players you know. What's up? D. I love you to death, y'all feel like to beat from Bendy showing about to come on right now? All right, my brother, we love you so much, Thank you so much. Well, look, yeah, I'm so so I would like to I would like because it literally was just like that. I literally jumped in the car. Um. He called me for one of his other friends, but I told about got him pistle, peep up the pistol pee, Oh, I got you bro u uh And I said, you know, it's funny because I know the relationship with the sounds like I'm going to And he literally said, y'all, that man literally was the reason why I started rhyming, like the reason why how did you do that? What was going on? He was already into hip hop. You know, this is like, you know, he was in the streets and his man tone arrest the arrest of peace tone, um, the whole terror Squad crew back then TS squad but um, like, you know, he was already like kind of in it. But he saw me doing it. You know, I was in a group called Ultimate for us. He saw the law for that's doing it. Lord fess, like right in the next building, we popped the save bottles over there. Whatever. Relaxed, man, It's not just like yeah, so basically just Joe seeing people he fuck with, tangible people doing shit, you know what I mean? And you know, from the from then on, we never looked back. You know we went in there we may flow Joe Flow Joe started off as a promo for Red Alert and ready with doing the promos and it was a just a ready like a free stuff for the radio. Uh this hour the Italian real quick. Making a long story short. Right at this time Chris Litty was managing I was on Violater. No, it was a later um and that's and that was the connection between Red Alert, myself and Christy and Fat Joe. Ultimately Fat Joe wand up signing with Chris like relativity and off and running. Since then that makes a noise with right forget boy you Daves covid. So let's go, let's get back to that. So they are running a type ship over there. Then he came out to the tested before. Yeah, and then so so what so what what because people that didn't know because I just have Instagram, right, I didn't get invited, so you gotta y'all gotta invite did tell me? But I just that's one of the people to feel good. So so what is this a comedy show? And then he brings you guys out to do some songs or yeah, well basically this summer um he is a neighbor, his man Steve out there in Yellow Springs, who had this pavilion. And you know, I've known Steve for why. I remember with Steve brought the pavilion, nobody knew what he wanted to use it for what provision. It's like a outdoor structure and like a c like children in the corn He owned all the children on the cornfield space for his payment, his people to hang out. I had going to a birthday party Dave had thrown. They're doing Dave ber the party for a day of the year before. It's a nice space for people to hang out. When the pandemic happened, Dave got the idea too. Michelle Wolf is comedian who was staying that that's the that's the lady that run ten miles a day. That's right, That's right, Michelle's Michelle was out there. Danielle Rollins is always out there, so they say, yeah, actual Larry Mommer is always out there today, like let's um, let's tell some jokes in the cornfield. Will set up the chairs with socially distance. We will test the audience so it could come in. I think it started. It's weird for black people to be in cornfields and we want to be that's right to tell. People had a meetings. They tried to get a shut down, but Dave would listening on the city council meeting to listen to what the town people would say, you know what I'm saying, and then they would make jokes about you know what she is about. The situation is that's the first time that you understand that Hollywood could exist anywhere. That's what he kept saying. He kept saying that l A. He said l A is dead. Hollywood is dead. From now on, they gotta come to week where we at. So if I say that, I actually that's that's actually happening right now. So right now Joe Rogan left and went to Austin Davis in Austin right now with Joe Rogan. They're doing shows together. Yeah, and then they're gonna be in Houston next week. You know. But that's what That's what David Young Town, Ohio. What is it? Yellow springs? Yellow springs right where it's fish in the river, Yeah, Diamond. When kayak and when Niko is is kayak and that's when you're going out there with some fresh try we try to take side of baby Kayak, and he was like, wait, that's a ship, y'all gott to move to ship with your with yourself. You gotta moving both with your motor no motor, right, yeah. So right, we just read today that Kanye it's worth six point six million billion billi billion, which actually and now I'm assuming that's this net worth, right yeah, and they actually saying that he's the richest black man in the US and in history of US. That's what let's keep it. Let's get as some context though, it's about seventeen hundred billionaires on the planet Earth, only about twelve thirteen of them are black, and most of the black ones is entertainers, even though we're the majority on the planet. That's racism. That's like generational wealth racism. And I'm saying this is way more black. So we're happy for Kanye and jay Z and on him. But the fact that the seventeen hundred only twelve black, that's crazy. That that's crazy. But um, they're staying on Kanye for a second. Do you think that is he talk about still can you still talk to somebody like when you were six point six million like at this point that that's that's a very interesting point, because the fact is you're breathing very rare air and only certain people are able to exist in that stratosphere. It's almost like being out of space. The reason why Dave Chappelle is so interested, I don't think he's a billionaire. I don't want to discuss too much of his finances. Everybody knows he gets his bread, and so the reason why he's so interesting is because he's able to get that amount of bread but still seem like one of us, and he's the exception to the rule. Kanye I talked with him about that Trump stuff and all that stuff and isn't that Yeah, we talked about it with their presidence here. And what's interesting about Kanye is it's like you said, it's hard to talk to someone a self made man, self made from the bottom. I don't even think jay Z. I don't think it take jay Z advice at this point. Yeah, who's who'll tell him what to do? But it's hard to trust people too when you got that kind of bread. I've never take advice from a marriage counselor they've never been married, makes sense, and they can give you the best advice ever. Like you know, you know sometimes you know that's the best knowledge. Is the drunk from the hood that's going to block he gonna get drink, drink, give you some of the Master. He just don't got his owner for him a s they love himself, But don't overlook that that that wise man, there's a drunk that's gonna They're gonna hit you with some math to matters that makes sense. It just didn't make sense for his life. But we're seeing that diamond right, knowing that the music business and how it was back then, and seeing Dave Chappelle going or make make his his his his plot for like like I thought, we did that for they last sol when they last so came up here. We told Tom Sylvan, this is the right time to do the thing. All these old white men is, you know, looked at his masters and even owning a thing called the Master. How did you you've seen that Dave Chappelle took that stairs and Netflix took the standard they did and then actually gave him back his rights or whatever it was worked up took hibout Comedy Central Comedy said, yeah, I mean it was the only right they did that, you know what I mean? It was his ship you know, like you know, you know, from the way it got to me to quality was that the people who were there in the nineties, they're not there. You gotta hope a whole bunch of young people up there and then and they just wanted to do the right thing. But you know what I mean, so that they game back his name, the show, they paid him some blood, the name the Dave Chappelle's show they did. Now he owned him. That's crazy. That was the whole thing they own own. No, that's why I was drunk. That's kind of in the music business. A lot of probably don't even own their name. But my thing, my good thing is they didn't really give a funk about me then because they spelled it wrong. That's why I spelled it in R E A E A G A said I. They just wanted, like the real dictator. Come on, I'm looking for me being smart. Ships you say, likeness, your likeness and your universe and that ship don't make no ships. That's colonizer ship. I was trying to own somebody's soul and on their own life. The slavery. This is independent. I don't got to ask that. Yeah, we did, partner, you got Diamond Mind because I got uh the media we partnered with in Gruse distribution, but we owned the master. That's oz. Okay, they've been around for a whiles, Okay, okay, right and um all right? How many records on this album? What is it? Okay, I'm keeping it back to old and we got we got sky Do on it. We got uh who was not read all day on it? Bust the rhymes, John Forte Nico is right, you ain't got none of the new generation, none of them new niggas on that. What is The album is called God because it's dedication to not just New York, but old New York, particularly after the pandemic. New York is different right now. So it's like, I'm glad that we got it in before the pandemic. This is about the New York I grew up this this album was done. It was I listened to Cuban Links for hours before I did this album. I listened to Diamonds Catalog for hours before into this album because I wanted, Yeah, I like the way to Ray and Ghost, how the voices was different. So you listen to this album, you'll notice that one one verse I'm doing in one voice another verse. I'm doing another voice, just to have their different colors. Um, you know just how I grew up, me listening to records in the headphone on the train and the error with somebody to see how you dress and be like yo, you listen to hip hop and they give you a flyer, give you a cassette or something like that. That's what I was trying to capture with this album. That sound like the came first ryman are producing for you, um for the goth novel with just for myself yourself in general, the beats. Who I was, I was a DJ first. I started at the DJ like most producers, you know what I mean. So I started at a DJ, and then from there I got into production and then you got filled with the n C like fucking I'm gonna ryme on this. Well, it was it was just gradual, you know what I mean. Like, you know, I'm hanging around lawd Fro. That's a lot um my man law Fro net Um the Brand New Beans when they were recording their first album. So I'm around pool By He's on fire, you know what I mean, you know, and she just rubbed off, you know, and it was a situation opened up. I got off of the deal, and I said, okay, I just took the ship. But that wasn't the norm back then a producer being m C himself and self producing, be like being an m C and producing your own album. That was normal at that time. No, it wasn't. It was. I mean, people was doing it, but you know, not not not on a major label. Amos. You had to get signed as a rapper first, and you want to grab me right? Yeah? For the food? Gis ever make some lunch for that? Where did you keep your Grammy at? Um? Well, I got the I didn't get the actual statue or if I got it, Patrick Moxy probably got. Anyway, you know, I got all the plaques and ship. You know, I gave my mom one and I got one. Um they you know, they give you like like a back and not he said, got like like a like a medallion, the whole package. But yeah, that was for the that was for the song, the score Fuji tracking the school. How did they feel when they called you and said you want to gram me? Nas? Just want to grammy? Took him twenty five years yo? Yeah, yeah, you know what part I mean. So it's nice you know what I mean. But it don't make or break you. But it's all we nice to be appreciated. I mean, you know, shouts out to nas You know, he definitely deserved that he deserved that he ever cared about the Grammys. Uh, no, I give a funk about But you know what's funny about this, I'm ting I wanna tell you. I can't be the reason you're mad that he wanted to tell you my mad want to Grammy because I don't give a about the Grammys. And I always used to say I'm proud to be in a category of artists that didn't win a Grammy like na Us, Like don't I can't say this day hasn't gone an down with the ball me and you as the leaders. Man. I always think it's funny like that. I would like to, you know, give the accolades when when it's well deserved, as it is in No's case, in your case. But I always felt like we should have had an old awards show that's prestigious. It was called Source Awards at one point. I mean I mean it was it was there. I mean it was big at its Source Awards hit my questions. We we do got to own ship sometimes, but it's always corporate involvement. Someone gets I mean, you know, shout out to my man bad Seed. I don't know if you'll know who that is, but you know he'd be on Instagram doing like the Grind Awards, and it'd be like bad Seed versus like you know, some some rapper from like Vasti versus rusty Jucks like that. Like I like when artists do their own ship like that, like they did their own like brooklyn Hood version of versus, like Okay, we not can get celebrated on that level, but let's do what ourselves. I like seeing ship like that because like like when just did the Mix Tape Awards, just like taking in our own hands, right piece, just speaking the versus. Would you do it versus against most of death? I wouldn't. I don't think most would ever do any versus just you know, I think like that he don't like that sort of pageantry of it, but I would do what I like. I'm excited about the rain ghosting. Yeah, you know, I think emtional. I didn't initially like it, and then I went and I said, oh, you know what they do got a lot of records separately. They have a lot, but it's just a celebration of them. Want somebody was fun is to see which records, who get to play what? That's the be difficult? Yeah, just Ray Kwan get to just ghost get to play ice. They go, that's that's yeah album and they're gonna regret. Would you want to go get a producer in versus? Oh, I'll go gets anybody. Okay, let me think I as his family. Yeah, I know that's what makes it. Just want some celebration. That would be fly all right, let me that would be fly Pete Rock. You get rope to anybody anybody from the mid nineties to now who've been doing it that long a right, you know. Yeah, that's to have a similar cat log. Yeah, I say I can think. I think that's that's that's dope. I think that's leg he too, don't com this would be dope, no doubt. Large Problems never changed. He's been the same. That's the same because put in a game. I love Large Bro Bro. He still come out. How long you knew each other and well, Large Bro used to come to my hood back in the days, and he's just always a good dude. He's just always around, and so I do one for a while. I can't even tell you how long. Correct me from your main source. I knew, I think I think after me. So okay, I see you in Europe in the row with large progract. Yeah yeah, yeah, we got a party. We go out there, we do our thing, spending right and you bet DJ and you just getting all the money. I'm a seleprity teacher. I can't say, but yeah, I come to a little spotsible one of the kovid They just opened up spot right there. Pizza pizza Bard did a couple of weeks ago. What's having the same same people? Yeah, just hoan we don't got then got the smoking a section. I mean yeah, I just TJ at that piece of bar weeks ago. So um, what's your relationship with Miami? Are you living out here? Partly? I like Miami a lot, man, I mean, you know, the South is South is crazy's coming here. I was super spreading and all. But I mean, you know, Miami got something special. Miami's cultural, you know, with with all the Latino people, the Caribbean people, everybody who moved here from New York and everybody who moved here, like Miami got a special thing going on, even people locally grew up here the whole Broward SENI what y'all doing with Winwood and the Hope, What you're doing art baths on arts. Shout to Thurston how and everybody who just come and relocate. Um, Miami's very special. Yea, I've been coming different down here. At one time I used to do I'm gonna tell you bouncing number. I was just moving around on subjects. I'm gonna tell you something that you told me that made funked up my mom. We did the Russell Simmons episode. Are we talking about that? Now? That was a Quarantine episode. It was a Quarantine episode. I wanted to do what I my version of marching. I have a platform. I know how powerful it is. Well I didn't. I didn't know it. Then I know it is. So we wanted to do a panel. So I think we hit you. I think it was Bumby uh Mark Mark Lamar Hill, Lamar Hill, And no, it was no female on there. And who it was Bunby markt My hell was my song on this my song and and you and I remember on the promo it's one part of the things, this part never got out. This part never got out. But when Russ who actually came outcause first it was just us. But when Russ first came on, all of us smiled like everyone. It was just like a repression thing. But when I looked at that footage, I said, no, that can't come out because how but you said something to me saw could to day. I was like, yo, I didn't even really after that happened. I was like, I didn't really know how much they are accusing Rossa and all this. And you said something to me that I've never heard before. You said, yeah, we're we're male privileged. And I said, I had never heard, like, you know what I'm saying, the privilege. We have a certain privileges as a man that we don't even that. It's not like we're blocking the door, we're gnoring it second nature. I had never heard, had never heard of that before, uh, Todd lip so so. And then I did my research, you know. I spoke to Mark Marc Lamar after he was argument rose a little bit too. Yeah he was, I was arguing, but it was lazy about So I went back and watched my first drink Champs that I did the first time when I got really drunk. It was great. But I brought Rose up in that drink chance and you said, well, she's Puerto Rican, I need to meet, we need to breathe. So it's bug I was like, oh, I mentioned Rose in the first time years before. It's funny that you'll started arguing and the comments were her. I mean I had a couple of exchanges with her on Twitter. I think it was mad, like it was calm. And my thing is and this goes out to a sister Rosa who I don't think I've ever met, and if I did, I apologize if I don't remember, But the cancel coachha, because this is what made me mad, and it's what made me upset, just by having rustled on. She said drinks Champs hates black woman is crazy. Okay, well I don't know what that is. Okay, that's good whiskey right there, So let me be fritis. I don't want to just leave that out there an atmosphere in the universe. So the thing about it is, I ain't supposed to know everything that's proper. Sometimes you gotta just take time out of you instead of coming at somebody and this in them that was all co side. Actually more or less didn't use the episode more for my son Tyd lived quality because these are my brothers who I look too for my consciousness. You understand what I'm saying. And when they didn't and Lamar, even Lamar Hill didn't say nothing. He put his head down. But I appreciated him and say, yo, listen, yeah he'd be after the fact. He went straight the Twitter. He went straighting Twitter, and I had to accepted, had to accept it because this is the day in time. But he was trying to cover his ass, which he was supposed to do. But like I said, and this day and time, I see the comedians that have an a rough time because they can't say certain words they can't And I just wanted you to touch on that a little bit. That when you hit me with the male privilege. Okay, but we I think we all in this room understand a bunch of dudes in this room. The first. First of all, like I love this show. This show needs a lot more women about That's the first thing. And that's you know, that's not us. We've invited them. We've invited So even with my Shapedo's party, I found it's very easy, especially in a hip hop space that's just toosterone driven to fall into the habit of just booking men because it's men that running this ship is. We don't want to do this and we won't really book guests no more the guest book. Okay, So that's it's kind of like, so what with the females. We reach out and females is different because they you know, you gotta deal with the man as you gotta do what their boyfriends you gotta deal with From day one, Queen Latifa a little kid like we we we we've reached out, but I want to leave y'all because I go above and beyond to reach out to women to give him my show to make it more balance. And that's a challenge. It's not it's not easy, but but because we have what back to the point I was saying, or everybody in his room, we understand white privilege. We understand that if you're born white, it doesn't matter whether you're what, you're poor. If you're born white, you're born with a certain amount of privilege and society. Right. So if you're born male, and that even goes for black men, if you're born male, you're born with a certain amount of privilege, certain doors open up for you in society to open up for women. The most glaring example is paid the pay rate. Women get seventy cent to every dollar that men make. That's the most glaring example. You know what I'm saying. But we everyone, Everyone has a specific amount of privilege. Straight white men have more privilege than anybody. Straight rich white men have more privilege than anybody. But everybody got some sort of privilege. And you don't become a jerk by having privilege. You become a jerk if you just don't ever acknowledge it. I think in no spaces we had some conversations. We sometimes fall into the male privilege, whether it's intentionally or not. And I think that's I think that's what we was doing in in that conversation. And so when Russell came on, I don't want to get it to the weeds about what who thinks Russell did what? The fact is that the accusations are out there, accusations have been made by credible individuals. These are not random people. These are people who have credibility in our business. The fact is that Oprahto pulled away from doing a documentary rustle because she couldn't I can't speak up. But she pulled away from it, right, So I thought he deserved the doubt from that. But that's not your platform. Are you allowed to do that? Right? No, I actually walked away from it. Actually, actually I said, well we we I didn't understand it, but I remember that episode. I wasn't even there, so I forget what my reason was. I wasn't on that and I found out after the fact, and I still found myself arguing with trying to defend our stands. And I'm gonna tell you something, just because we never broke it up, next time you see your person that's of your culture, that's doing something that's culturally not appropriate, you can do the same way he was DM and we were flipping on each other. Was a good ship too, sister. You let's go to each other to be understeing. I'm going to check the Rosa love you. Me and me and Rosa had had me. Rose had heated conversation about this. Me and Rose. That's my good friend. But we don't agree on every single thing. We had which we check each other. We had a heated conversation about it because her whole thing was the whole thing is at the age we at, we're supposed to know better. My whole thing was, I said, you gotta look at who Noriega is. This is a man. If you know his hip hop hip hop history, you know where Nori comes from. You know he comes from poverty, He come from situation. He built himself up out of this. And now this man who has been to jam, this man who has been through the system, is now realizing it. As an older man, I have an opportunity to take what I learned and be more positive. So let's give the brother space to grow. We're gonna be progressive. We can't assume that he knows what we know. Did I actually like, I heard the allegation, and let me just be something clear. Not taking up for Russell because if he's guilty of things that he's guilty of, then I feel like he should face the consequences. Right, there's no as about it. But this man that they describe I've never mad. I have never meant like, if you're gonna say, and I'm not saying a crime should be forgiving or whatever, but if you bring up who I was at eighteen years old, I'm not who the fucking guy I hate. Would I wouldn't hang out with that guy hanging out with the take your old version of me. He's an asshole. You know what I'm saying. He didn't. He doesn't want to come home. This guy comes home to his family. So I tend not to do that to someone else. You know what I'm saying, Why would I judge you on what you was who you was at eighteen and and you got to realize that. I'm not making no excuses for anybody, but the culture was different back then. People would literally walk up to girls and smack him when they asked. Women would literally do that to me in the office. I'll be getting the headcut. Get up a woman, Bob. I didn't know I was being me too. I didn't. I don't something you understand I'm saying what that was. I'm not not col siding it, but what I'm saying is that was it was more likely you to walk in and see somebody, uh one of the CEOs, somebody's up there, assistant sitting on their lap. That that was kind of the normal back then. Not not co signing it, not saying it was right, but seeing it wasn't abnormal. Yeah, you know that's the thing. That's what they talk about rape culture being normalized. It was so normal back then that we accepted it is okay. It's our job to grow and progress and change. And that's the thing with cancer culture and the only thing that the thing that's bad about it is is not giving people the chance to grow and progress, like like right now, sorry, right now, right. I don't know if you follow cam, but Cam got this this twenty nine c right, this girl from his building. She's following him, she's talking him. We're all laughing at that, right, we're laughing. He's feeling he's running away from up. Had that been a man, that wouldn't have been funny, right right, Has that been the other way around him doing that? I can see someone calling the police. And this is where our male preface comes in because women, and this is something I've learned, it's like I grow older when that happens to women, they beget murt Like when when dudes be stalking with like women, when dude, you know, when when women get cat cold and dudes they get rejected, dude, women be getting violently assaulted, And that's what it is, Like women go through that so much that Harlem. You know what I'm saying, that the community stood up and yeah, oh I see the after effect. What happened. Um, some dude try to hole at her. She's like, no, you know, I'm good. Then when she left, just beat up. Women be going through that for so long that with men like and we've been social. Look, I just went through some ship recently with somebody saying some ship about what happened with me. When I went back to the situation, I'm like, if I had did that to a woman, that would have been raped what this woman did to me. But as when it happened when I was like my early twenties in my career, we looked at us and fly ship. So what happened advantage? I didn't look at it like that at that time. Give me no exctasy, but just the way which she was coming at me and the way in where she was like pressed about the ship where I found myself hiding from this woman, you know what I'm saying. And I told my friends are on some funny ship. But twenty years later, I'm like, well, not I was sexual harassment right all right? But I thought it was fly because I never had that cat calling. I never had that attention. I never had until I became a rapper. What I'm saying, But we're like, we gotta figure like the conversation. But I think all of us know for a fact that rape culture, everything that we're talking about, none of us coach signed starts to get murky. Is the cancel culture side of it, where it just every the society has become judge and jury. Boom, Well, how you draw out the baby with the bath water? How do you throw out everyone? And I'm not even gonna start naming names because I don't want nobody to can but let me how you were here for that because we couldn't handle it like that because we was on zoom zoom get called out, you would get cut off when you're trying to This is not it. We're here for this time. We're here to happen. Okay, so let's let's let's break it down. We just actually let's just tell you something. But I just noticed they're trying to go and take Russells ship off for all these like his name of the Tatsu Harvey is you can still watching Mary Max. You're not man, but you can't destroy the legacy pops up, Bro, I'm the other day company. Other days Netflix wasn't working, my my my Prime video wasn't working, my whole it wasn't working. So I went back to cable and I watched the regular cable until the ship well, and I'm just randomly just don't do movies and still seeing his name pop up on offist you Cable. Not wrong, but I think that the thing we have to do as men is realized that because we teach our children this, we teach our children were just because he's doing it doesn't mean it's okay for you. So as men we have to be like, Okay, yeah, Harvey Washtein exists and Jeffrey Epstein exists, but just because they exist, we can't use what about us, and we can't see what about this. We have to we have to own our ship. So I think you can't from a place where you didn't understand the ramification, but now that you do, I still actually understand fully because I'm looking at people reposting Russell Simmonds, that's a woman, but he's a thing that him being bied doings and said not me. Yeah, But what I'm saying is, but even if women in proximity has not he didn't do it. He has not been, but he's not been. He's not been r But let me ask you this. Yeah, just like you had to ask me about it, now that you know, with knowledge comes responsibility. You couldn't have me on the show without asking me. So now that you know, if Russell was sitting in his chair, you know you'd be asking. I have to laugh. You know what I would do. This would be my first time I had somebody goes right my video, my interview. I would actually go let Rose and give me all the question. Yes, you give me the question that in that instance when he joined the zoom should have been But that's and that's where I was going. You didn't do it because you didn't know, But had you known. The way for us to do it is we can't We can't say that Russell Simmons is not worthy to be in the conversation. But if he's in the conversation, well then we got to deal with it. To say that that you asked Carriss, what about coming like, we're not We're not going to not have caress. That's why we aren't going to ask to her. You know what it was I didn't realize that I'm also a journalist too. I wasn't being a journalist. I was being a Black Lives Matter was being a black person being a journalist. And I see Mark Head goes to market the journalists for hen to the actor, he was like, Yo, what was that? Yeah? Yeah, soon as you we hung up Head treat. It's like Mark Lamart said, he's not what. I'm like, what the fuck? And I had to deal with it. But again, sisters, our coach of people that really like, you really know, I love this coach. You really know that, you really know I'm coming from a place of almost stupidity if I coaturally don't be appropriate sometime I'm coming from a place of stupidity, not a straight stupidity. You don't you should didn't chastize me for every stupid move, but for every move that you take. Sometimes you really need to just hit somebody and say you're listen, bro, you might not want to do that. Boom boom boom, boom boom boom, and then you take it from there. I had a little Kim on my show and she talked about being a teenager when she dropped that album cover hardcoorn, how niggas and jail loved it everything. And she said she thought she was just having fun being a young lady. And as see the Lorias, Tucker and them came and they was steamrolling her CDs and she said something interesting, She said, I was just a child. Why did this older black lady hit pulled me to the side and give me some life advice? And I don't know what I was doing, but why did they attack me? Media? Doesn't that even the way you just said it right now? Maybe even creepier though that that cover that she was a child? Like whoever the imagery I'm saying now that we're older now the way you're saying she's a child, I got a daughter. But that was the culture back then, sexual ship going on, like the people were openly about eating pussy and sucking dick and and all. This is this is what we hit, was Deliverment, and it was a part of it, like watching this ship go down, this super sexist ship going down. It was we you guys are la grow but I don't. I don't think. I don't think you can attack delric You think Luke Luke got daughters. You think he was thinking of that now, but he doesn't want to have to be careful. We can't attack the freedom of speech either, and and and freedom to be creative. I don't know whether to me there's a finalance I supposed to. Let me just say, because Luke ended up running for office and Luke as him doing positive, let me just say, imagine that housing you back then. It doesn't matter how sexual girls sucking. What I want to say is, no matter what ratchees, no matter what Rache ratchet ship you went to as a rapper, he was the only one you said you can't smoke camera, you end up being a conscious, conscious rapper. Matter said, if you get to a certain you go play if rappers a video game, and you get to the boss, you get to the top. If you if you survive all the ship to rap, you either become even if you're not conscious of your lyrics, you become a conscious individual. Every gangster rapper from Too Short to Nori, you know that everybody turned to new if you survive a ship. Okay, yeah, man, you're right. Yeah, this is a good conversation because I actually don't know which we may not be qualified for this may in it, but and that and that's what's interesting is when I look at Simon's thing and I see that woman support him so like so like that's why it's weird to me. It's, like I said, it's one of those subjects where it is it's just in the I think it's about personal responsibility. There's some women who like rustle then do not wrong. That's some women that's that's like he's a rapist, But it's about we can't judge how we're gonna behave on how others we had to look. You know, we have Russell is Russell Simmons, that's Russell Rush. Like we can't erase what he did a hip hop but you know, he's just I think because of what he did in hip hop, because we really done for the community, he deserves to have his voice heard. Now what he says with his voice, we'll have to judge. And I'm gonna tell people like this that I never said this story. Hopefully I think I never said this story, But those women deserved that. He definitely not publicly. When now had a seven shootout happened and they banned us. They banned us immediately. They pulled every record from Compona Noriega to Noriega, to thugged out to the firm. Whatever record I was on, they pulled it. They pulled it. You know who got me to get back on the Radio's Russell. He was dead for me the time that I needed him. I gotta say, the hardest conscious rapper out now is Camponent. Get back to that and with a key time for me to show back that favor. I stood with the woman. M hmm, I want to make that clip. I still with the woman because I but I think I don't think. I don't think. I don't think it's mutually exclusive. I think you could show solidarity for women as to respect Russell's contributions to your life, to this coach. I tried to, but when the comments was so well, when they were and then and what they were doing was I felt bad for our partners because they were blaming it on um uh the title and puff there was like look at this puffing and jay Z puts Russell Simmons on Russell Simmings on Dreamcat like you got nothing. So it was crazy and we're we're doing hip hop effects uncovered with our big you bid me and he said the only part that they hated. Is that the studio made him take Russell Simmons out, he said, but they let us interview murderous. He said, look at our markets. Yeah, that's that's the mother ship, right, some other ship that's like that day Chapelle jokes six and Stones where he's like, well, I'm not a nigger either. Yeah, that's this is a deep conversation. This is deep, man. I ain't even looking at my notes. Holy mouse, you said you go above and beyond to book more female guests. Yeah, what is it that you're doing. Give us an example. Shout out to my team because we haven't had light on, but we've had We've had We've had a lot of female guests. We had last week, we had Dasher Polanco. Next week is Sonny Anderson. Um Sonny told said to say what's up as well? I know that that's one of us. Yeah. There was an argument on the squad because they kept booking really good guests. We had busted d M mex And and I'm like, yo, I gave him a list of women the book. I'm like, make sure you get I gave him as ten women. I said, get your bad and that average needs to be three hundred book three of these women and then months went by. We get in dope, ask but they ain't getting none in women. And I'm like, yo, if I'm not pushing to get women, we we we all as the team are default is to just be comfortable with the with the male talking, you know, and it's like we, I think we need to balance and I think people like us who had the platforms we gotta fight for it. Um yeah, we we just gotta fight for it. And shout out to your coat as well. Now you worked on a low end theory with TP called chust. Yeah, you know on the song show bits I run on that song. I didn't that you should tell the story about how you got on that record. Okay, yeah's all right? So this this this is crazy right. I went down I went down to the to the session to play some beasts for Tipper. Yeah. Yeah, just just want I feel bad over yet that you want some of this. I want somebody st a little bit. I'm gonna be honest, I am, but just man, Mr Lead, who's the whiskey drinker who comm to Jamison? Yeah? Mr Lee? So show business right, tripical quests. So I go down to Battley Studios, and I'm trying to play tests joints. Um. Oh so I'm drinking. I didn't know that, yeah, so a little m so I'm playing tips and beats. Um. At this point, Tipping Knew had a deal for the Stunts Pluss and Hip Hop album. We would see each other, like Jackie, we will see each other up about Jazz j Studio up in the Bronx. I'm down here playing beats for him and Lord Jaman some diet they show up, they do they do their verses right. Well, the first time they they did verse, Pooba was there. I wasn't there the first time, but anyway that what happened was Pooba his verse. You know he was told been him out gaze and you know, just kicking in the buck. You know, he's a father center so you already know this stance. So Job is like, all right, listen, we love pool By, you know, asking to write a new verse. Poop. I was like, what, you're dead on that? So he didn't want to write a new verse. Who was on a lecture? There was on the lecture at that time. But but this is this is on I'm cute, this is on Trapical quest albums. I know you said job and that job so um. So when I showed up to play play took some some beats. He was like, yo, you want to jump on the song all right? I was like, hell, yeah, you know what I mean. So that, like me being on that on that album kind of set up my album, you know, because the Lower Theory came out maybe a few months before Stunts, blunt and hip hop. You know what I mean? But how many mcs round on the tribe bobum, you know what I mean? I did, It's only of us, just take that's crazy though. It was crazy. I watched the documentary the other day and I cried like I never saw it again because when I saw him and que Tip argue, I actually called coupon. I didn't tell him what I was calling him. I was like, you know, you know, I just want you to know I leve you, bro, And he was like, because it's just weird, just love you. Because I related to cute Tip and both was making sense. I was, yeah, I was both for them. At one point. I was like, oh, shoot, he's right, but then the other one would saying something. I was like, how is he? I looked and I was like, wow, and it's crazy, because, yeah, I think that. I think the most slept on two in the hip hop is the hip hop documentary. Like since Rhyming Reason, I watched Around the Reason twice a year. Just makes your my mom right and he best slow down over there over there, man, you know what I'm saying. They helped me drink the champage, so you know, you got all the brothers helping, you know. But I think that's the most slept on the hip hop documentary. Like I would love to see a Black Star. I would want to Black Star documentary more. Did I want a Black Star album after that? I've never made a film before in my life. But after we do this, I'm gonna show y'all a ten minute rough for the Black Star documentary that I've been working on the last two years. Last two years. Okay, wow, I'm saying some of that ship has been filmed on my iPhone. But documentary first of doctors my favorite style of the film. I feel like I'm being entertained and learning something at the same time. But yeah, that that is hill into that. Yeah. I was on the Tribal album because I went to the Afro punk cute Tip was in Brooklyn to see Ice Cube perform. He was performing at Afro Punk, a couple of blocks from where I stay. You see how just and Q tipping me and decided we're gonna work in the record. We've been talking about the song. You know, Tipp is talking about a record of two years I'm trying to get this record. Five passed away, and so in my mind, I'm like, funk that record. I'm never asking for that record again. Like if I hit, if I hit, Bro, it's just on some just what's up? You know what I'm saying, because like the friendships in the in the brotherhood is more important than I was getting a studio. And when I seen him, it was the first time I seen him since Fife passed. And I'm like, you know what I'm saying, And he's like, Yo, what happened to that song? We're gonna do the song. I was like, hey, bro, you know what I'm saying, Like we could do the song, but he invited me over the crib. When I went over the crib as him drove me there and they listened in the songs of him and Fife did that nobody had heard and they listening to Tip his mixing records and he's like, yeah, I'm dropping a tropical Quest album And I was like, Yo, would you mind if I'm on the last album. I just came through his house every day to watch him work on this album. You want him beat Rob? Yeah, just kid, give me, just give me that ship. But yeah, man, it's one of my friend paid me. I was like, you get paid. I was like, I supposed to listen his jobs could move when you was because that was Beach Robs in Life is a is an underrated trial album, but the connection, the Queen's connection and the connection they made between the North East side of Queens to see an inside of Queens and the trial Quest side of question was very important for the coaches because it wasn't too later. I'm gonna tell you something. I fight first heard, No, you know what it is and you know that you know Jack, he didn't really feel me at first, like kind of Jack fight competitive competitive. And the other connection to that album is the guy who created our logo, Scam who did that album. When I'm on is he a Beach Life for Love movement? Love movement? Yeah, that was just just just whiteum cover. When when when When when you watch the documentary like that David d and all the relationships and ups and downs, did you see like, Because I'm gonna tell you something that's makes gonna make me sound very, very very naive. I didn't really see Fife look that sick like I saw him. Did you notice that in real life? No? Like whenever I saw a Fife, I never really saw him sick. Right? Was you living in Atlanta the same time he was there? Um? Yeah, I saw him that I was seeing. You know, you don't, like when you're sick, you don't come outside, so you know he's outside. You know he's Fife. But you know most people who were sick on that level, when they're sick, they stay indoors. Yeah, you know what I mean. You know you don't want to be you know, you don't want to come around and people cheat you like like like like a pity case. Because I I didn't see the same thing with Punt. People said they were signs. The only thing I've seen on with Pun he got bigger, but not that didn't even make me so I didn't even Knowice like because he was just I just always met him as a big guy one of the signs. I didn't know this was bad form TV video shoot. I remember me talking and we're just kicking it, and he just went into sleep and he just started snoring. So I thought my story was trash. Like I didn't know, Like I was like, really stepped my game the sleep sleep for me. And it wasn't till later on when it was like, yo, that's that's that. But I didn't know, like I mean, even down to the funeral. You know, they gave everybody like a certain amount of time to go to the casket. And I sat there and I sat down, and I guess I got in the praying stance. I don't even know how I got there, but and I kept crying. And I remember the people from TS like, yo, he's in a better place. I was like, how's it in a better place. It's like he's not suffering. I'm like suffering. They're like, yeah, no, you't know. And I didn't see pun stuffing. Is that meet me him naive or you know, just like probably winning around him like that either, And maybe he didn't show that side himself to you. It's like when he said if you if he felt bad, he probably din't come out when he felt better. Now, what what's up with Lord Finess? Lord? Yeah, man, that's my brother. Um for next, he just put out an album. Um, he just remixed UM a bunch of Motown records. UM and that that that that's incredible. Um. He's also he's out there on the West coast. You know, he running around. But your man Russell Peters, so you know he know, he do his thing. You know, he's still Djane. I'm trying to get Finesse to make another MC album. Wow, that would be tough. You know. You know what I just found out the other day. Cameron literally told me this yesterday. He said, you could go to the label right now and get hit him with that. YO. Nobody wants to be a master and on a mask at this point, right, So let's negotiate to get our master's back, to go back. He said. If they say no, it's a it's a legal law that you can go in and do your old he said, you know, he said eight year statue limitation on that. Did you have you heard of this? To do your over you can do your whole album? Yeah, what say arrested that the community? Yeah, he did that. He did that. He had an album that he sold the rights too early in his career. Then he blew up and he went back to the dude. He said, listen, I got this amount of money, give me to write some my out back. The dude was like, no, it's too valuable. So he just went and did the whole set over, recorded it over at a comedy club, joke for joke, and put it out himself. He got arrested right after. Yeah, this was after. This was after his arrest. He was hanging with him and it was we just saw him at the bar. You drinking, but I could see how he was drinking. To the killer, I said, he's gonna be fit he get arrested tonight. Yeah, yeah, I kind of. He is sober since theant really don't drink like like like drunk Hannibal bro like that. That is a great guy when he's drunk. Oh my god, he's good. Let me qualified because he did say this to me, because I said, you're sober now. He said, listen, I just don't drink. So yeah, that's that's that's real. That's real, old movie, block of movie. How long you had your studio in Midtown Manhattan? Came here once seven eight years and that's ship that was like my best worst investment. No, that's miss mys All thunked out. Yeah, I had the best location. We didn't have the best equipment, We didn't have the best anything else, just the best location, just the fruits on, but carry was there. What I know was back then was people didn't want to come to see me in Queens because they just thought that whatever part of Queen's he from, it gotta be bad. Which was when this town, which was not right then when I went. I had one in Jersey. I had a studio in Jersey. Uh, people didn't want to travel. They felt like Jersey was out of town. And I had my joint I was in. Were talking which was like the next town, but no one, no one could convinced. But when I got the hood, lad was on thirty second in Madison. Between thirty first thirty second in Madison, it was the location everyone from Mike Ryan Carry the Diamond d the big ticket UH to e FN. Everybody would go because their hotels is ten minutes away. Everyone said it was so exactly, it was so hotel. It was dope because at the time, you know, they didn't look at me as a person that's gonna send an invoice. So if I put Norrie Studio, because you know, I had to send invoices for people but booking sessions, like I literally paid myself to be called my own at my own studio, but they wouldn't give me the money like Homeboy Exchange. I had to literally make a studio session logging you know what I'm saying, and then present depth with the joints that's took the Hood lab instead of like Norwri studio. But yeah, it was a great investment. I should have actually made it a real studio where you know, other people could rent it out, because if you didn't know me, you wouldn't rent this ship out, like you know, like listen to me, like what's her name, Evie Queen, the reggae throng artist, Evie Queen, since she came to be called, came to be called and we were like fire niggers like we probably this is to be clear, I made it was fired in definitely right I told about we didn't mob, We didn't do none of that, but it was it was a vibe though. You would go there and make five six records because we had a vibe but we didn't really clean. We cleaned once maybe twice a month. So yeah, I mean it just had to I was trying to make D and D D. But yes, like we would have the NBC with the NBC box on it like that it came in like you know, using people somebody by a table. No, we just just kept the box that came on the NBC. So get back to this story. Evie Queen is starting to record and in the room that she recorded and we had carpet, but she walks out of the room that we recorded and without her shoes on. I was like, no shoes we got, we got. E got a little crazy here. I don't want to just jump on your point. She was like, why might be dome from together? I was like, this might be worse than together, like they might be harving things on the flute. You gotta go your own, Madison. So each year the rent got higher and higher, but it was dope for for me that time, Expirit, So, what's what's your favorite part of hip hop? Is? It? Is it making the record, performing the record everything, but as a producer, creating something out of nothing, you know what I mean, that's that's that's that's the dopest family for me. What about you? The fact that black people marginalize people, people who come from nothing could take art and create a megaphone check to broadcast what we experienced globally. I think it's fly. Yeah. I like that too. Yeah, I like how you already dead like you, I don't know you you noticed? I remember we used to have to wait for our albums to come out in England, like they would literally come out two months later in the UK versions and the UK version. And now that you can just make an album and that's it could be in Japan the same day it's in forty Priest Jackson, it could be in the same days in Brooklyn, it could be Osaka and all that. I think that did you think? What do y'all think about streaming? Though? Man? I've been having this conversation. It's accomplished, really yeah, man, because people yeah, man like like because this n f T ship is popping off, right and it's just popping off, and you can sell a picture of us right now, off a picture of us and that could be worth six and we get and we get with the right people, get read right team. We could sell it and become millionaires, possibly the royalties as it gets so definitely have a situation where streaming was always unfair. The price point is unfair, but if you create something, you get to create the price point, just like any business. But the thing that makes the most unfair is that we don't get to see what Apple. We get to see, but with titles Spotify, something we don't. We don't get to see Think you get to see Apple, you think, but you really don't. Right, we don't get to see the whole ship. So it's like they're telling us, look, this is your percentage, but they're not telling us what they're making. They're not telling us you know. And that's the whole problem with it is that it's not transparent. We were making we're making pieces of a penny for each stream. But the problem is you have to make a decision as a as a businessman or and a creator. Are you a populist who wants the people to hear whatever you got to hear? Are you only in it for your bread and you don't care if a small elite group of people hear it. Because if you're a populist, then you're gonna work within the system of music assumers are getting their ship from Spotify. So if you're populist, you want your ship of Spotify, you want people to hear it. They're not, they're not you know what I'm saying. But if you just if if that's not important to you, well then you could just make your ship exclusive and only a certain people you know, Rock Marciano, certain people. Certain artists have figured it out, right, they have made it to where a Nipsey figured it out. You know, you can follow the example. But that's where the conflict is for artists right now. It's like do you sell your soul so that the masses can hear your ship or do you keep it more to your more exclusive or finding that balance where you utilize what's there now, But you're always working towards getting away from that. Like a Strange Music where they found that the physical side, they've been able to sell physical like like no other label has today to whereas Techno is number three on the forms list in terms of toring income. But then pandemics hit and that's the type of things that that affect I'm speaking of that have that aspected your yeah bag like um as far as not being able to do shows. Has that been effective for you, because I know, like big overseas, like big overseason, I mean for me and not related my business, because my entire business model was based around Torn. I'm very just stopped having much based around Torn a year ago, right on time, right, So I'm very blessed that I found certain situations and I figured some sh it out, and you know what I'm saying, like to whereas I can still I just a good opportunity for me to plug my book. I had a book deal, I wrote my book. I've been trying to get the book out, but when the pandemic hit, I focused on that. I was like, Okay, let me focus on getting the book. As a book is called vibrate higher, Vibrate higher. Happy you got your copies out there. It's it's it's um getting rave reviews. It's it's my my autobiography mixed in with social commentary and the history of the hip hop. I was listening to at the time Mays for that. God damn. So I've been you know, but it's it's been very um. People don't like to hear artists or celebrities complained because we chose this. You know what, I'm saying, but it's been very hard to figure it out. But I've been blessed to be able to pivot in a way now, Diamond, you worked with forty five King back in the day. How how was that? I never got to work with him as a producer, Like I always kind of admired, I never got a chance. How was that? How was the experiencing with you? Um yo? Like I was a fan, like you know Hetrom the Bronx, but at that time I didn't know you know what I mean, but shouts out to Mark. You know, Mark is the one um. In the early nineties, Russell Simmons had a thing called RPM Rush Producer's Man and easy Mobi was over there. There was a few few other producers over a lot of professor was over there, and you know forty five King. He made a phone call and he got me and he set up a meeting with me over there. This when Francesca spiroit was over there and they wanted him signing me. So you know, he had a big, big hand like in my early production career him and shouts out to my man DJ Jazzy J. Of course he's the one who like taught me foundations. You want to do the shot a shot, I don't know what you gotta tell you? How about show Business A g How was it working with them shows? Come on, you know we'll be with each other, so you know, it's just family. That was a tough album. You made that whole album. Oh no, no, I co coulduce thum? Can I get a soul? Clapp? Me and show Biz we we both did that drink okay okay, So that was like that was like one of the first big joints. Then they would on to do other great things. You know what I mean. Did you think the like hip hop and how pure it was? You think that now, um, that we would have an artist like Cardi b like doing like I think if she did a hundred million the other day or she's the first some crazy. I mean she's the first female artist shout out out to Cardi beats from the Bronx. But it's like it's dope. It's dope. I personally love card But it's so different back then you already know knowing it. Like in the nineties, it was just the lyric system is like really taken seriously. Everybody got their shots, right, I mean, you got your shots. I'm a shot at what already got. Okay, cool, cool, cool, very smart. You learned from drink Chace lesson your listen. We don't know if y'all know, but this is about you know, and in this business, it's about giving people these flowers to they face. You know, you guys are two or great. I can't believe how. I can't wait to hear how this album sound. Can't wait to read the book, can't wait that you keep supporting. That's what we do over here. We support each other. Man. You know what I'm saying. As you can see, I got my DJ college jacking on, boy boy, I didn't get this for three day. Make sure y'all check out Organic Food Kings. I had a steak from Organic Organic Food Kids. When I was speaking the Organic Food Kings, they said, come through, We're gonna take care of you. So I was like, I gotta go through because they showed me so much love. I went through, but I did to think. I was on my way the airport and I was like, I don't want to eat vegan food in the She didn't want to eat vegan food in the car with the masks and ship on the way to the airport, and I'm like, it's not gonna be good when I get to the airport. And I was like, I'm gonna go anyway. And I went anyway, got the ship and ate the ship at the airport and she was still good. Far was faring about the questions too far. There's no far vegan food. You know, there's a lot of vegan food making me far you ever vegan fool? I'm not a little bit right here. Yeah, sometimes I'll be far ridiculous. Ter view is going off. Sometimes it's a good, healthy part. That's what. Sometimes. Sometimes gotta part break. Sometimes you gotta lee, you gotta you gotta talk a little bit about big Out and the legacy. Yes, I feel like we don't we don't talk enough about Bigger. I mean, you know Bigger, you know, definitely was on his way to being one of the greatest. Think you know, people are already look at him that way, and you know he's been dead all these years, you know what I mean. Um, especially that one freestyle session he had with jay Z on a stretch your arm strong, Yeah, kind of kind of handled jay Z up there. He was supposed to be signing the Rocket Feller yeah, you know what I mean, So, I mean, what can you say? You know? Lamont definitely one of the best um lifestyles of the um foreign dangerous, It's dangerous right then. Um the second album The Big Picture that wind up going go and he wasn't even here to see that, and all the indie stuff he did and big like the first Street when the Streets No, Scott the Rock was when the Streets got involved with a rapper killing. But I was about to let me correct myself. I think Scott the Rock was the first year that was a D Nice beef he went over the squashing Wow, Yeah, who big El it was? I think he said a D nice beef. That's that was the d J D Nice beef. Really, I've never heard this you would like to talk about. I think I've seen this somewhere. Evidently he went over there try to squash it. He's a social worker. He was doing crazy don't go in the community. Yeah, he's still in the hood like that. But definitely big El definitely going going through soon. What was your favorite big El drinks? We had to pick one. I ain't gonna live I gotta pick him all. Like, I've never heard the rack bigger record I've never heard of I never excuse me, let me go deep it in that I've never heard of rap big eel verse like I've never heard of verse where he just you know. My favorite moment was I didn't even know he knew who I was, and I said this on the cam and for the other day he was doing. He was like yo, because there's like you fell back. It seemed like he wasn't rapping. He's like no, I wasn't inspired until Cam Nori and dear Mex and I was like this, he's a herald to me, Like I still be bugging out, like when a person like you know, shot with like what up? Norm like what you know? Like you know, because I'm just I downplayed myself. But that was my favorite moment. He had rhymed right before that, and just the fact that he had recognized me, because I don't think he understood how much I admired him, know what I mean? So like I never expect the person I'm a fair enough to be a fan of me, you know what I'm saying. But it doesn't take away, it doesn't take it away, like like if I finally you're not a fan of like aigh school. You know, I still respect you know what I'm saying? Like, um, all right, now, let me switch the subject a little bit. Right. One of my favorite rappers of all time is this guy named Granddaddy at you, right, grand of you. That's one of my number ones, right, but I never wanted to sound like Granddad? Why are these why is everybody? Right now? You can say yo, A new kid could come out of his name could be Smoke Champ and he can say, yo, who's your favorite artists? I like future? And we could be like we know because we have ship. You're real quick. You just post some with Granddaddy at you? Yeah, but I do back to that. Okay, yeah, let me go back to that. But why is why is these guys actually sounding like the people to day admyering and things like that? What's going on with this culture? What do you think? I take the hip hop at some point, like every art form that because mainstream started being made on assembly line type of thing and to whereas they're like, okay, especially when the radio station started being owned by certain corporations in frost the country and you went from regional DJs and program directors having power to the point where it's like, well, you got a problem to the playlist handed down. So yeah, it's just it just becomes it just becomes a consistency who had who makes the most whoppers? Yeah, and I think that so. So kids who grew up listening to music like that, We grew up in the era where we heard different influences or or you can't or like if you if you somebody traveled, you went from New York to Miami, it's a whole different sound. And so you were able to remember when like Uncle Luke used to come to New York. It was a party, used to hang out with Red Alert and Funk Flex and all them, and it was a whole it was like Uncle Lukes intown, We're gonna do this Miami thing. But it's like definitely a different thing. Um. And I think the culture is missing sort of that respect for the for different what I will say, indigenous sounds. Um. And I think that, Um, that's that's the whole problem. So kids who rolling up these days, just like how we grew up. We grew up wanting to be successful and we looked at our favorite artists and that's how you do it. Okay, it'd be different to be creative. That was that was success is you just copy the next nigga. They look at that, they say, Okay, that's working. There was There was ever when I when I came into business where this mad fake drink chaps out there up successful. When I remember when I came in for me, that's who I was ruining it with. What I noticed the shift was people stopped wanting to be dope m c s and dope DJs. Puff was killing it. People stopped wanting to be dope em you're run into him love hip hop and what you do you DJ is and now he's a No, I'm a CEO, I'm an executive. People wanted people wanted to be record executive and industry people, and that was different from me, Like I never wanted to be a record industry person. But now that's a thing that somebody wants to be. I want to be a mogul. I want to be They're not wrong with that, you know, but it just that's shifted. And so now kids they see what's going on. They just want to be like this certain artist, and and why why don't they why why don't they want to be like that? That's obviously a path to success. They're not. They don't get the real though. They don't know that that's a once in a lifetime thing. They don't know that one out of a million make it. They don't know that, so it becomes copies. Shout out to legend Jerobe would just be now, Diamond D, has there ever been a time you know, you come from the no com commercial era, like y'all motherfucker's just making it was right to be on the radio? I mean remember this, soio, have ever been a time a record label that came to you and said, yo, I want to cross over a record and if so, did you ever do it? Uh? Probably closest I came to that was the Black Panther sound like that song freedom have all all the top female artist singing on it. Oh, I want to see if you win commercial. I mean not mean I would. It's in business, you know what I mean. You don't want to pleasure. You don't if you produce, so you don't want to be pitching holding to one thing right yourself yourself with this service, you know how like they say it is a premiere sound or do you feel like Diamond D has a sound. It's a certain sound of diamond. Someone say I do, but I know, I guess instances. I feel like to the Dompie's albums, right, I mean, there's a it's fluid, but every joint is different. I gotta say though I can't. I can't pick a diamond dbat so you can't listen to say that you can't know. I mean if you tell me diamond made and I'm like, okay, that makes sense. But even with this Gotham album, there's so many different textures of sounds, of flavors that I'm not like, It's not like I hear a beat and I'm like, oh, that's definitely a diamond. I don't and like Permiere like when you're here Forrell, but it's not it's not bad, that's not it's also it don't happen to sit at your sound too. It's also because like it's not ruining it because everybody has this run when you're a produce a where it's like now a producer might be able to do it, like Premiere, you could you could answer this question better, Premiere, Pete Rock or somebody might say they'd be like, that's a diamond. DP maybe they here might be trained, but I can't do you know what I'm saying. They might know the sounds usually they might even maybe they know the snare you use. But you know, it's not look crazy that Jerue just came here and did not just say I just watched a documentary. That's just crazy. It just suck up. I just run up that no idea he was coming down. I just routed it up. I just can't. We gonna bring you in bro as well. But oh yeah, quick time you're ready, all right, so this we're gonna do this real quickly, gonna bring you rob. What do you do because quick time, quick answers he wants. It's an a n B answer. But if you want to say both, it's cool. You just gotta take a shot. If you say both, you gotta take a shot. If you want to be political, you gotta take the shot. You gotta take the shot. You want to be political, you gotta take the shot. All right, all right, you ready, first year, But it's saying jay z or nay jay z. Oh, I'm taking a shot. Take a good I like this. Oh listen, take that and then um just fill yourself up again, because I just know you know what you're doing that you don't gotta make it a pretty shot if you think you know me. I think so, I think so that I think it mightn't know. I'm not sure if a diamond going with it, but not ether was better. Okay, okay, I respect that, no doubt can Okay, ready, I'm starting with you. I'm starting with Big all big fun. I'm gonna take a shot with you. I got from my game face this and I think I don't think hold on the next time yet, hold on, hold on, big big one. I would he had the look taking a shot. Just take the shot, man. It's something wrong with the big puns rhymes to me, his his rhyme schemes a little more intricate. Doesn't mean that he was better or not, but his wrong just you know, a little more intricate in my opinion, and Big at that at that time. Okay, I mean, you know they both giants. But that's my answer. I don't know what the answer me, I would say, Big, alright, cool, I'm taking the diamond keeps wrong instruction, all right, I'm taking the right keeping. I'm about to walk out here funked up and miss my kid. And I can did last time. I don't do that. You're gonna take your shot. I'm starting with you. I'm gonna start have to answer these questions in terms of what they only in one category, in terms of just production, just straight production, straight production, premiere. Okay, that's good. I come here. Okay, let me get that later. Most death or common? Who are you asking that to both of your niggers in terms of what acting skill? What you're talking about skill in terms of acting skill? M m C. That was your comment is an MC motherfucker of course, so it's most deaf. I watched that motherfucker him. That's a that's a good most on the Dave Chappelle riding through Brooklyn, I thought I think it was Brooklyn. That's a good push. Well, so listen, you gotta be careful. That's a good pair. But they took a different I'm gonna teach you how to answer and still be politically corrected. I needed I needed here to answer, and if you let's me, I'm satisfied. I would take a shot for you. But if not, you gotta do this shot. But I'm gonna keep an answer. Okay, let's go. I'm gonna pick most deaf. You shoot up and that's all I gotta see. Cutkay, I can see that, all right, this is gonna be crazy. Look j Roby doesn't even know he was here. Midnight Marauders or low end Theory. J gotta leading room. No, no, no, because we're having a real deep Phipps. In terms of what's problem, it's quick one this time. It doesn't have much deep. I really want Jeros answer after. We're gonna get his after. We don't want him to funk up your opinion, so we want to hear yours first. Remember, if you go both, I'll drink what you I'm going to say Midnight Marauder as a producer, Midnight Mark definitely the just heard the progression in the production. That was hard. That was hard, That was hard. Turn came, but I'm gonna take a flash the emergence to fight door emergent. But it's like Godfather and Godfather too. There is no Midnight Marauders without lowing theory and without people. Okay, Miami or l A, either one of you. Miami, that's easier. It was about to say, it's a lot of Miami. Mother. I mean that I didn't even talk about that. Also that they both said, Miami, now this one right here up in the air, independent or major independent Independent, you're losing these man, we have this independent verse major debate. I'm and not talking independent. Tell me why you made you guy? Because I'm lazy to a certain extent. That's sometimes you just need a good partner to handle the business. You can just get that. Yeah, you know, it's it's I just I love it. But let's get out a quick time of slim and we'll come back. Okay, it's not it's not gonna be good for you. Bow or large pro. Oh man, to take the shot, take the shot. You take a shot, Take a shot. Shot. I think you're taking a shot too, like you're taking this shot. That's how I'm going with large prom. Okay, okay, I'm going large Pro. Not because all respect due to the great, the great, legendary, legendary, but for me personally, you know, sometimes you have a personal relationship with our large Large Professor did for me personally with that breaking Adam's album, I was, I was living with that album. I was. It was first like he made it for you. It was a personal Okay, I respect that you shouldn't take a shot for that, all right, Actor Brooklyn, Little Kimra, Foxy Brown, somebody that it was just women power, remember women powers. That this is the quiller. I'll take this here. I'm interested to hear what you're gonna say, Little Kima, Foxy Brown, another shot because that's your old shot. Yeah, I'm taking this game. I'm playing this game with my friends just a little bit. I like Foxy a little more. Okay, I'll expect that who four or five King or show bars. You're asking me, Yeah, you're asking you. Yeah, I'm going with show just because of that Godfather now jam made earlier. Okay, one can't come without the other. Right, where we going? Diamond drinking whiskey? Right because they both they both made joints that only day could have been. I can't really answer that. If my boy Brian all right, um, all right, I think this is this wass it fairly long? It's only three three more questions? Okay, this one should really be easy for both of y'all. Stretching Bobby though verse the Wake Up Show. I'm gonna stretching Bob because as a personal experience, I'm going to stress the ball too. Sorrys Wade sorry, we just we just were just looking up that with Swade. You're gonna take your shot, nobody asked you. Okay, Cardi br Nicki Minaj, Nikki that was fast taking a shot because he remember women improvement. Who does that have to do with this answer? I don't know. I'm taking a shot. They're Nicki minajs or Cardi B. In terms of what yo's artiste? Cardis the only lawyers during quick time of seeing nobody you can pass me that light of time. What do we talking about here? In terms of what? In terms of whatever you wanted to be an overall artist? Overall see drawn curveballs over here? He said ten minutes, overall artists. I reserved the right to change my answer. I reserved the right to change my answer in ten years. Okay, wait what I never heard this ten years? We're not doing dreat chance we're gonna come back to change my answer ten years. Okay, But as of now, yes, as incredible as Cardi B is, Nicki Minaj has done some ship. So I'm going with Nicki. Okay, all right, that took a long time. All right, this would be fit this might you might be taking a shot to this, Oh, oh, taking shots all three ah, dip set or the locks locks locks. Really, that was very easy. I didn't think. I didn't think you guys go listen the question to change the game. But for me personally, that's what it is. Now we get into the of course, it's about how you personally feel, how something exactly exactly. I respect that. Okay, I'm gonna take a shot right now. I'm going with. I'm going with, I'm going to red alert. I'm going I'm going with because because I should be the analogy as well. I'm going to red alert because I got into hip hop like eighty five, eight, six, eighty seven, and around the time when I got into hip hop, I wasn't in the streets as a little kid. My hip hop experience came from listening to the Red Alert, Kissing Fami and Jeff Fox, the Rocks Box and all that type of ship. Taking your shot, taking your shot, Dimond just from the last job. But I got my answer is rather alert because Lert influence kick agree. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's the Godfather thing. And I'm to tell y'all my answers should be ready alert too. I had so much more experience, like it was me going to Kick Apris parties that made me say, this might be the baddest DJ to be. His name is Not to be Slandered, and Kick Capri and his production on the Big Ail Ship and Certain Ship He's done for the Culture Joint produced from Death Comedy Jam and just like Kick Capri and and even just now I posted, I reposted some ship Kicker PrePost on Instagram about about work, making sure you working people really appreciate you, and I was like, yo, just just so everybody knows, I need to work with Kickapri, I said. Kick Capri is an absolute legend. He's one of my favorite human beings. He'd probably he's one of my favorite human beings. Yeah, I just see, I see. I was like I was in a I think I was in DC one day with him, the next day in North Line, the next day someone else, and he would equally walk the party with different sets, like he wouldn't repeat his sets. And that was the first time I had organic. He was playing alert. Can't do what Kicker pre do right? The Kick Apre It's not read alert right, Okay, this is the last one. It's pretty much eighties or the nineties. That's a fucking good question. I think it is in terms of what error ten years that ten years again, but ten years it up the ten because if you shift the ten between eighty five and ninety five, I'm going with the eighties going empty, hammer and nigger. That's the one I know, EMC hammer just not define it? Are you nothing looking back? When I say, in terms of what are we talking about specifically hip hop? Would you like the error are you talking about? Because they might have a change to the nineties. Okay, yeah, okay, why because the eighties we said eighties versus nineties in terms of error. In terms of error, the eighties is superior, but the eighties end of eighties hip hop set up the nineties hip hop. Nineties hip hop is. It's great, but up, but it terms of hip hop nineties hip hop. If you go to any party on the planet, on any or any party on the planet right now, righting, and you play any type of music, if the DJ decide that he want to do fifty and twenty minutes of just nineties hip hops, right that's going to be the best part of the party. I don't think about like that. If he played nothing the DJ doing nothing nothing in two thousand? What what? What? What if you go on you doing a scenario, If you're doing a scenario, do a house of pain drip around? You don't have some page up around in a scenario and any and then biggy no money, more money, more problems and how could just kill a man? And if if you're going to a public enemy set, if you do fight to power, what the what do we powers? Eighties? Eighties? That's all I'm trying to tell you. It's as a producer, I would say nineties because the late eighties and when the sample of becomes in effect and hip hop got away from the live instrumentation of the early to mid ager without saying it was more of getting back to the essence, you know what I mean. So that would be my answer. Nine eight What is the best year of hip hop of all time? What Google told you that I don't no no no no no no no no no no is the best year is when everything changed? And I Google. I did Google Google because I wanted to see a public takes the nation of millions holders back. Great adventures like Rick absolutely trade out of Compton, strictly business E. P. M. D. Long lived to Kynes, following the leader by Enemies necessary straight out to jungle. He's a DJ on the rapper critical beat down, tougher than leather Light is a rock easy, doesn't going off. He's Marquis. The best is going off in full gear stet to Sonica talking all that jazz in control Volume one, Symphony for Molly Maul act the fool King Tea, But listen tower iced tea, a salt with a deadly pepper. Alright, so that's night it takes to rob Base one of the best records of all More, can I say audio to the world's greatest entertainer, Doggy Fresh, all that in one year, I need you to google night to night. I'm gonna tell you the next year to come after that. I've done my resent next year, your next next year that got as many dope albums as that. It's ninety six six, all right, who's in ninety six? And I feel like I didn't come out to ninety eight. I was told that was my persont year. I told you to google next because that's a year my year. Really quick, before you say those everything mentioned in eight eight set up the nineties. A lot of all that music influenced everything that happened in the early nineties. Yeah, what you read this is what you use, Okay, okay, ninety six is I might be wrong? Yeah alright, let me start tupac all eyes on me. The Foojis to score fire That right, Maskills from Where wasn't the commercial wasn't commercial. That's a that's that's a classic album. That's a class out. We have Maskills, Conscious Daughters, Gamers, Hammad Collage, Classic Smooth, The Hustler, Once Uplaic, Okay, Classics, Buster Robs, the Coming Classics, that's right, BC Boys to End Sound from Way Out, Ghetto Boys, The Resurrection, Massive, p ice Cream Man. Uh, I might be wrong about ninety six. Yeah, nine six they're also six is high Classic NASA was written X Wild Cowboys, Problems in Life, Trick Requests Classic eight Aliens Classic Ah No, it's not the say Rose the same. Taking a break without taking a break. I'm gonna take a p p at bringing away. We don't take a break. We didn't bring I don't want to take a break down. You don't use the bathroom if you want. I'm good, okay, yeah, I'm cool right now? So what okay? So ninety eight. It's a year the Black Star came out. Okay, September. In September ninety eight, five hip Hop Classics dropped it September, the same day that the Black Star album dropped? Is that is that not? Nine eleven? No? Okay, the same day to the Blacks, the album dropped, well, read the whole year. But I'm a Black Star dropped ninety eight Okay, September Septem a quemini four hundred degrees, juvenile capital, punishment, big pun the Miseducation of Lauren Hill Foundation by brand Newbian Beach, Romes in Life by Tryck requests, moment of Truth again started ninety eight might be the year not beat, Ribs of Life, the love movement, which I don't know why I keep calling it. Okay, okay, this is this one's about to seal the deal, about the seal the deal, money power, respect, by the locks. We could go, we could go a head of what I'm about to see it. I'm about to see e l E By bust the ROMs can I bus by Cannabis. Wow, Okay, still standing by the good emm ah. This is a slept on the album Soul Survivor by p Rock. Okay, I already mentioned member Survivor. Do ye remember I said brand new Rear Foundation that came out that Hello Nasty by the Beastie Boys. That's a fucking good album. Year, Hello Nasty. You know what? Nori Than is my new ninety six. Yeah, was a good year. That's my favorite year. Flesh Blood of My Blood by DMX, Yeah, yeah, that's my year, my best year. This this is an incredible album. Hel Ni Yo by the Death Squad. That Joe Don Carters on the album too, all right, and o R popped up r Bynory. Okay, but here's the album that I'm on that niggers don't even know. I'm not. I'm not on this, Okay, I'm not. I'm not on this album. I'm on a remix Sons of Men. The last should be first and the first should be last. Shout to Heaven Raised. I'm on a remix. I thought I was on album Sons of Man's Killer priest Um sixty Second Assassin. DMX is darker to tell us he was the first artist in history to have platinum twice in one year. I was there, I was there, I was there, I was right right. This is the year I was doing Bobby Digital and Bobby did you I want to let you keep going. I'm gonna tell you how to examined. Forty days, forty nights. That's what you see is what you get? YEA classic video First Family for Life, the Cool Steal, this album classic rest in Peace, the DJ right she passed away, I War in Peace Fine one and two? I want that too? You want that? That's what I was this East Coast Niggas which one? What was that was? Fine? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I was question connection ice Cube. I think we'll be remix, right, we'll be corrupt. But on the remix, me and Most Deaf used to do Black Star shows in the error, and we used to perform a version of that song, and we used to be we'll be clubbing Little Baby Seals, so we can make coach. We'll be clubbing. Push it Wait push. I was like, wait, oh, puh, yeah, that's it. It was that I'm still here. That's a great joint. Spike Lee. He got Game ninety one, ice Cube, Record of nine Generation Effects, a c alone, A book of Human Language. This is actually a very good album, very good album. Black Eyed Peas Behind the front. What that was before Fergie when Yeah, that was the underground black Look at Tyler Live and getting his hip hop on you hip hop, Let's do it look as seen the shadiest buster here you Dad's dealing your revenge retaliation Lyricist Lounge bust albums that year the Lyricist Lounge did you buster twice? Okay? It was just okay, goddamn it. Anybody want to move? I know that's a camera and Confessions of Fire. That's what the nig I'm on that too, right, that's what you listen David, You year period like of my life. The only thing is better about it my father died in the middle of my hype. I don't even talk about. Okay, let's Big Duty, Kane drop Veteran's Day, which is an underrated album. Veterans Day styles are beyond two thousand fold method man to couch, jous ships, ship, corruption, corrupt, Classic, Shut Them Down, Classic, um Snoop Dogg. The game is to be sold, not to be told. With no limit. That's the no limit. That's a classic, too easy. Pieces of a Man. That's the best I learned on Tree Champs today. Can mess with it depends it's great. You know who we should you know what? You know, it's actually an ill versus Listen, listen, listen, because I was only I love Versus and I'm actually a little bit a part of it. But the only thing that I didn't like a little bit part of it, you know what. But like I didn't like the D'Angelo bringing up people was D'Angelo versus himself. If we're gonna go there, why don't we do something like that with eight versus nine and have some of them lostical it just by the way, who's killing Harold on there? And I was done, It was done, but it was just weird because it was from versus. Yeah, magic, you do verse and you have these artists, you get as much artists from both eras that's still alive, that's still That's the beautiful list thing about coming to America They got all the same actors and you get the people perform their records. I think that would be so wait wait, wait, are you saying that you're a fan of coming to America? Coming to America too? You go and grab this conversation. I'm gonna get into it. I think it was a well made movie. Fan I don't understand? What what? What? What's that not to like about it? Word? You know what? I'm about to blow your minds. You hated it? I enjoyed it. It's not better because I was a good movie. Listen, I'm a fan of movies. I know that people had a lot to say about it, but it's very hard to make a sequel and the classic. The running theme of tonight is Godfather versus Godfather too. I brought this up several times. We'll call it, we'll title the episode times right. I enjoyed it because it was good to see my O g s and my heroes having fun. Was it as good as Coming to America? Absolutely not? But did I expect it to do it? In his own understand it was? It was? It was good. We gotta support. I didn't like the Fashion Nova part and I didn't like the part with Homeboys start Fashion was like, come on, it turned into Hamilton and look at it. That's the best part. But the reason why they had Fashion Nova and Pepsi and Puma and all the other brands because when you make a movie, you get paid for the movie. Do you get paid for you know? But here's the thing they should have the only thing I would say creatively. The reason why I coming to America the first one was dope is because it's a fish out of water story. It's a fictional African character coming to New York City, queens and living. This new movie took place into Munda, right if they take place in the bud Fay Queens too, that was fake me. I was offended, but they said it was Hurst, that a new way that else in the in the world. Hurst is the kid in places from Listen Man. When that when they put the you know, you know I'm rewinding, I'm looking, I'm going to see they said, I'm Hurst, New York. I was like, sut um, they're getting married. You know, if you look at this, it real good. It says Elmer's And I'm just so because I'm ten minutes away from Elmhurst, so I know everything to that. But that's me personally. That's me personally. The fact that and they put out Girl Queen's is very much mentioned. I'm not I'm not, I'm not charge. Can we get a drink? Champs clap for what's his name? Yeah? Yo um, And I got to give it up one million percent. I've ever met her. I actually just see her comedies before and I see her stand up prior to me watching it. But Leslie listened to me as a person who my whole life, I dedicate ghetto queens woman. She hit it on the news. She hit it on the news. I'm telling you queens queens, and she hit it on the she said, I hate queen. I'm sorry. I slap at your man. That's exactly one day. One day when I'm an old man. One day, when I'm an old man, I'm gonna tell the world about my DM conversations with Leslie. Leslie, let your damn she she I slid in hers. Oh some comedy ship. I'm like everybody, everybody's why you want to wait two years? What we just say? Who the private? Dont toromy know me? For real? Everybody? Everybody? Single man? Yeah, not you, and I know that you're sing single man talking as far when is this coming out? You never I've never my life, he said, to be at home coming out? What I never heard of? You're sucking me up. I always got something to say. If I don't even know what to say, don't word. I don't know what what the kind of ship was that that was the fifth sha. I know, pimp. When I see it's like, what was this coming out? I holy sh it, I don't even know what a bottle that I don't know. Uh, you diamonded, you don't have pimple with you're married? Up, I'm not married. You're not married. Let's make your noise when you're trying to be loyal. This is the last question. Um, like that, Like Biggie's words, I never thought that hip hop would take it this far. The level of the hip hop is now, Um, although we compromise with the music. Sometimes the music is not up to Paul. But the level of business that I'm seeing being done, that I'm seeing being presented is on another level at this point, like everybody is being able to eat, these people being able to reach their family with switching them there with versus very very very when they gave people equity for you know, putting their their likeness and their image on the thing, because most of these guys don't even own the actual records that they're playing, so they really wasn't benefiting you. Was doing versus just to do versus And for Swiss and Timberling to say, you know what I know some of y'all don't own your masses. So what we're gonna do is we donna give your stake in the actual company where hip hop is. I want to just um, you know, we are the big words. I want to start with you because you came at the end. Did you ever think that hip hop would take it this far? Not at all? M In fact, that's one of the reasons why I um, I started taking color the arts. You know what I'm saying, That's right, that's why. That's one of the reasons. That's right. But it's cool to see it now because we're treated as it is, like we're a culture, you know what I'm saying. Now, it's being treated as a culture now there's companies targeting our culture like they target whites and blacks, and you know what I'm saying, And that's a cool thing to see because they thought we were just some some kids making noise. Yeah, fact, they didn't understand the network and the grammar group in the community we were building, you know what I mean. So that's that's really dope to see that part of it. Right, So so utah, I lived. Did you ever think hip hop? Do you see you see Jay Z just sold his company this to Moat. Now me growing up was the richest ship you can drink. For it to be for them to recognize this company as a five million dollars person and then to buy in but I think at forty nine percent, which which means that he's still is the majority owner. Like that's just the amazing thing to this. This is we all grew up drinking mo and for us for them to be a part of this company that he did on his own, this is big. Like you ever thought the hip hop god this farm? No, I didn't, um, but I attribute that to how we grew up. We had limitations. We had like Blonde just put on it as far as what we could imagine, Like we all just got Everybody in this room got into it because you want somebody and me me personally, it was like you want some I just think he was nice. And if you read jay z book he talked about that, he talked about he said, it's all comes down to the rhom. Like everything I gain attributed to like I just want to write the best raps and everything and if like, if you appreciate this culture, you put your all into it, things like this will happen. We we come from situations where we made to feel like something's wrong with us if we aspire outside of what the hood supposedly represent. And this is why jay Z is such an important artist and human being. It's because he break the barriers constantly, and he involved all of us in it. He makes sure that all of us, at least two people where he comes from. He makes sure all of us, uh see a part of it, in a piece of it, even whether whether or not you're in business with him, through the way he's making his moves. You know what I'm saying and what I was saying earlier about conscious artists. I can't grow no hair now. Back when I was a teenager. When I was a teenager, I had dreads. My dreads looked like John uh Michelle Bascott's hope looking like I've seen Kodak Black and shout out to Kodak Black because he's a Florida artist. I've seen him saying that jay Z was copying his hairstyle. That's that's some young boys ship. He just never seen that. Scott. Yeah, because jay Z is copying Baskett. I love I love how you pronouncing it right. Because I can't. I got Fred for real, I'm sure beyond you know. But even though all the time, even if Kodak Black is a little misguided with his with his historical references as far as coming here, the fact that he grew his hair out like that is revolutionary. The fact that Scott did that is revolutionary. The fact that Jay's when I see j Z, I'm like, That's how my hair looked when I was in high school, know what I'm saying. And it's like it all comes from circles. Like I'm like, yo, that's what we're supposed to be. So we're supposed to be free. We're supposed to be embracing our our our blackness or whatever you are. And it was like, we're supposed to embrace it and be free. And um, I just love the freedom and the fact that his freedom has led to him being and a Stuti businessman. We can now we could do this business, he could do this type of business, and him and his wife and his family could do conscious art and still contribute to conscious causes and still win awards and all that. Beyonce the most winning this artists of all time and the Grammys or whatever. Um, how about you Diamond Nah to see the culture come from black and brown people having block parties, plugging the equipment up to the lamp post to something that jay Z just did d J D Nice in a Ford truck commercial. Not no way, sneakers, no way to test them out though, you know, to to the culture that we started. So yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, man, you know what on that note list in this and say, you know what, God blessed hip hop. It's blessed everyone in this room to a certain extent. Um. Like I said, man, one of the keep watching this documentaries and I think that that's one of the most um slept on hip hop tool is the hip hop documentaries. Like we all. You know what I love about documentaries is it's like you know, you ever watched the HBO fights. You know, they make sure everybody has a story. You understand. I'm saying, like, and that's what the documentaries is. And I'm excited to hear about this Black Star documentary. I'm excited to hear about you guys when when it's got them out one April's I'll try to put this out that we could which so we can help with the promotion. But overall man, thank you brothers for taking your time. I have to come with us and get drunk and have some drinks. We're gonna do some drops and some all pictures and we got this. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by yours truly, d J e F and n O r E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's add Drink Champs across all platforms at the Real Noriega and I g at Noriega on Twitter, Mine is at Who's Crazy on I g at d j e FN on Twitter, and most importantly, stay up to date with the latest releases, news and merch by going to drink Champs dot com. M For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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