N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with Olympic Gold Medalist and retired Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World, Lennox Lewis!
From growing up in East London to the Boxing Hall of Fame. Lennox Lewis shares his origin story, starting with his amateur career to winning the Gold Medal in the 1988 Olympic Games.
Lennox shares stories from his professional boxing career and his legendary fights against Holyfield, Iron Mike Tyson and more!
Lewis also shares stories of meeting the iconic Nelson Mandela and much more!
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Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect and I Heart Radio and his Drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. Mason. He's a legendary queen's wrapper. He's segree is your boy in O R E. He's a Miami hippoper pioneer up his DJ E f N. Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast. And yet number one sort for drunk fast drinks mother every day is New year' z. That's Strike Champs. Trink up? Would it good be? Hopefully? This would it should be? This is your boy in O R E. One ups d J E F and his Drink Chess, motherfucking happy Hour Mason and ranging out the person that we have in front of us. When you think of champion, I don't think the word champion is is enough. You gotta call him the champion, Champion, Champion, he has defended his title to the most. This is this is the real boxing league right now. Boxing kind of seems soft of so sorry for you even a boxing now, but I mean the real boxing league where everyone was for roaches and you were first that preft conferences and and the man has held from England of Jamaican descent and all the rosters, all the roster he's from Draihood from England and he's Jamaican, so he's un Jamaican descent. Front of England went over to Canada for in the Olympics, dominated there, went pro and beat everybody. In fact, when you look at this documentary, you realize not only did he beat all of his ponents, most of the paroners was running from it. He went to catch skill New York and met up with the CHAMPI and they said that one day the Champ one and then the next day that on the Champ one, and it was destined for them to meet at at the end, and they met at the end. In case you don't know who we're talking about, we're talking about the remarkable, the impeggable motherfucker. Now. One thing that one thing struck me immediately studying you was the Bob Molly what's it called crazy wall As don't watching the documentary, I see that this repeats itself, So I was like, it was something that that What does that song mean? Okay, you know it's interesting that you said that first. Thank you for the introduction that was great. Um, and it's a pleasure being here with you guys. Let's good or quick? What do you want to start with? Oh, okay, let's go and but you know what we're gonna go all lot, well have your own red let's just do it song. Um. You know I used to go dances all the time, especially reggae dances, and I like clash dances, so you know, the sounds sound clashes. So for me, you know, if you're gonna go or work to a song, it's got to mean something. You know, going to the ring, it's got to mean something. And crazy Ball it's meant a lot to me because I started growing my locks because of like a situation and I said, you know, I'm just gonna focus and um, I'm gonna grow my hair. So you know, my friends were saying, you know, John, which is God wouldn't give the power to a ball head. So you know, that's why that's why I started growing my locks to gain my strength, because I had a Samson like complex. You know. As my of grew, I just felt I got stronger type of things. So that's the that's that was the vibe going in the ring, you know, chasing all the crazy ballads out of the town because you know, because you want to um, because you know why. When I first noticed it was against Tyson. So at first I didn't listen to the lyrics. I'm thinking, this is a record that you're you're deliberately making towards Tyson. But then later on I found out it's a deeper meaning. I found out that it was almost about skinheads. Yeah, well I don't know about that, but it's it's really how it means, what it means to you. What it meant to me was like, yo, you know, I've got here and I'm chasing all the crazy ballards out of the town. That's in roster culture. Like growing the hair of the dreads not a part of that, Yeah, of course, yeah, I mean you know, um um. People I grew up with with Rasta's part of a band, part of you know, and I found that they were more spiritual, you know, they were my teachers without you know, of life, and it was it was important for them to grow their hair and not allow a comb to touch it, and a lot of them felt that if they cut their hair they would catch a cold and get sick. So the hair really gave them strength. Now let's get talking to the beginning real quick. Miss Baker, let's open that up. Yeah, Miss Baker, like she was the woman right who took over. Yeah, what happened with miss Baker. Miss Baker is actually my mom's friend. And my mom left and immigrated to Canada. You know that immigration story. I'm sure a lot of people have that. And you know, she couldn't take me at that time, so she left me with a good friend, Miss Baker, in East London. And you know, Miss Laker was a good friend to her. I think they took nurse in together. Anyway, my mom immigrated to Canada with her friend over there and uh, you know, looking for a new life type of thing, and left me with Miss Baker. And Miss Baker wasn't really too nice to me. You know, I don't know what happened in between. Her husband was really nice to me, but she wasn't nice to me. Even um sometimes I would um he would go and leave me alone with her and she would just be shouting away and you know, cursing at me. You were the only child in the house at the time, so um, you know I didn't. I grew to not like her too much. But it's interesting because I went back years later and she jumped at me and hugged me, you know, probably died. He was trying to teach or something like that. I don't know. I don't know. Well, that's what it is. I don't think she had any children, so this was like, you know, new to her, oh, new to her, and uh not everybody suited to be a parent. I was scared. So so let me tell you the only problem I have with the documentary. It's so well put together, it's so d narrating it less. I didn't realize until the end of it. I was like this voice beginning. My only problem is I didn't hear about it as much, like I don't feel like they promoted it. Um, you're right, they should have promoted a little bit more. But um, it's it's one of those stories that anytime you watch it, it's gonna impress you, you know what I mean. So even if you're late, it's still gonna impress you, and you're gonna still be happy about it because it's a good story, especially around nowadays, and you know, there's a lot of different people, a lot of immigrants coming in, you know, for them to connect to the story. How did you connect to the story? Man Um? First off, one of my favorite boxes. I don't know if you know that, Um, and it always amazed me. I knew you was a chess player, but you knowing what I'll be seeing you played chest because I've watched in the ring and that's that's who you are. So for me, when I dug deep, the best part was for me to see how how content you are, like when people were talking like even for Tyson, like Tyson, I want to eat your children like that was and you sat back and you did an interview and you said, well, I hope he's a vegetarian. At the time, I was like, that's the you can say. But what it is this a person? I think? Was it Larry Merchant? No, No, not Merchant, Jim Lampley Um And he said a lot of people don't understand and they don't realize that you come from the hood just like them. It's just you. You have the britst action mixed with a little bit of Canadian. People think because you thought proper that you had the like proper, I'll bring it like like like he was with the Queen of England or something like that. They don't realize it from East London. So how was that? How was that that was good? I mean East London is a is a place is you know, it's an important place in London. All the all the famous and the other famous people come from East London. So it's not right, No, that's South London. That's South London. But the whole doesn't matter. We're in London. It's like you're London or you're you're you're from the UK, so that doesn't matter. I don't I don't understand why people have these different areas and say we own this series. It's like the whole place. Um. Yeah, and you know there there's a code of ethics in in one sense, like you know, a handshake is good as a contract, your word is your bond. You know. I grew up on those type of ethics and you know it's followed me through through life because it's the East London way of life. Now, mum, you also played football and baseball. What would have happened if you would have made it on these other sports? What do you think? Football? Baseball? I didn't play basketball, basketball. You know, I wanted to play basketball so much because yeah. I wanted to be like so great at basketball, but then when you guys, when you got like five five guys jumping over your head, was like, okay, maybe this is the wrong sport for me. You know. I remember going for rebounding like four guys smaller than me was jumping over me and grabbing the ball. So I was like, no, this is not the one. You know, the football was played in football football. I was a running back. Okay, okay, I was a running back. We paid, We played out of the I formation. I was the last one and I love football. Yeah. Football was great to this day. Yeah yeah, please straight on. Somebody gave me the straight arm one time and I never forgot it. I'm like, yo, I went to go tackle him and I was flying through the air because it was like hitting me something. I thought. I thought he was gonna get involved with. I don't know why I did. I thought it's gonna get involved a wrestling. Wrestling, No, well wrestling to me. I actually did wrestling in school, but I didn't do like wrestling. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Because you know, I'm a character. I believe, I believe. I believe you've got to represent England and like yeah, I believe. What do you like being told why? In the documentary it says you're a world person, but if you had to choose one, what would you want to be? Um? Like, you know, yeah, I mean, um, a citizen of the world. Yeah, because you know, a lot of people stay in one place, they don't get to travel. I'm so glad I got to travel at a young age because I got to realize, like you know, in in Um, where do they go in Europe? You know when you go to the bathroom, they ain't no toilet paper. There's like newspaper on the floor, Like you gotta grab some newspaper. And it's like, you know, coming to reality and saying, wow, we've got we've got toilet in the ground. Yes, yes, so we've we've got a toilet and we've got toilet papers. So I should be thankful, you know. You know it's not I'm not suffering. Those people are suffering. So um. Yeah, traveling at a young age is very important. I went to a lot of different places. Worldview and your neighborhood becomes like also, you know, playing chess at a young age. I would say to a lot of kids out there to play chess, because chess helps you think, helps you plan, and helps you predict the future. In one sense, when you play chess, or when a kid plays chess, he's sinking five moves ahead. So you know, the kids that don't play chessing that are getting in trouble, they're not thinking before what they're doing. The chess players are thinking, they're not gonna go Robert Store or stick somebody up, because everything thought of the five moves afterwards, yes, of what could happen to them. So that's why I always pushed chess a young kids. Now, Ah, other Olympics you could have you could have you could have represented as England, but you chose to represent Canada. What made you do that? Um? You know I left England and you know, Canada was the country that actually nurtured me. That's where my mother was. And when I came over to Canada, I learned all kinds of things. First thing I learned was snow. Yo, what is this white thing? Wait? Wait, hold on, but it was it was snow in England though right, not like that's like New York. I learned, okay, how to deal with the cold winter sports? Ice skating. Um, we're learning about Long John's because I used to like two pants Long John's. Learning about you know, hockey and all these different sports. So that was really an eye opener for me, just learning different things and learning basketball, football. My first sports were actually soccer and cricket, so I didn't know any other sport but soccer and cricket. Okays the ship we've told down in the paddle. Yeah, I think I'm nice in that. For some reason, it's about I think I think I'm nice in it. I think I think I'm play cricket. I'm just I don't know. It's not as easy as to think. It does look No, it doesn't look at it does. When throws the ball down and bounces and it comes up, you have to remember, you know, depends on what spin that that they give the ball it could go, who it could go, Who it could go who you're not. You don't. You don't know until that hits the floor and then you got to react. Mr Lee, I'm ready for shots. Maybe hold on. Goddamn, I think I'm nice and cricket. I think you never play cricket. Let's do. Let's try drink chance drunk cricket. You be you gotta be drunk to do cricket anyway. No, no, if that ball hits just a kunk, good. So um we we all right. If we already talked about the Olympics. But this is the part that was shocking to me that I did not know. I remember giving up his title, but I did not know your ridd Bow before in the Olympics. Yeah, now, not only you four in the Olympics. Let's just be clear. You want the gold medal. But you came up to him when you said, I'm going to knock you out? And this is why did you single out Riddick Bo? Was he the number one contender? No, you want to hear the joke. I went to the Olympics and everybody kept on coming up to me and said, oh, Rick's both say is gonna knock you out? Like who's really both? And it was really members of the UM American team and a couple of other people say yeah, yeah, rid boy is gonna knock you out. I'm like, who's Riddick Bo. So I'm like, you know, I asked one of the guys, could you take me to Riddick Bow please, so that we you know, we went and we found him. We looked for a while. Anyway, I've seen him, walked up to him and said, listen, and I want to knock you out. Did you introduce yourself? You said, I'm Lenni Lewis. No, No, I just said when I walked away. Then he was like, who's that? Who's that? He's gonna find out who I am. And because I thought it was disrespectful for him to say he's gonna he's gonna beat me and he didn't even know me. Was this guy? I didn't know him either. So I'm glad that we fought, and you know, I knocked him outright, I want I want to get it. Ye, that's cool, that's cool. Okay, yeah, yeah, because because because all right in America, boat goes on and he has this career. Is this a secret between you guys or there's other people that know that what happened in the Olympics. No, nobody really knew. You say it was a secret between us guys. So when he when he boxed holy Field and he came out of the ring, for some reason, he walked past me. I don't know if it was like on purpose, but he was saying, oh, you're not right I'm like, not right, what do you tell are you talking about anyway? I'm gonna knock you out? He said it to you, now, I said that to him. I said that to him again because you remember the first one. So I said it to him again because it's the same thing. And then he got all heated and then he never fought me. He never fought me. Put the belt, the WBC belt in the garbage, which is a disrespect. Another disrespect to Momadala at least faces on their past champions. So I think he was afraid that I was going to knock him out. I think that's what Dr J Narray do. Listen, most we don't know in our career. This is about picking up our legends, picking up our life. Man, you are a real champion, one of the only champions that bow out on your feet, not on your back, kept your titles and we're gonna respect that. Salute that side. By the way, this is our Dreamcam Sports panel, right, so let me let me ask you doing the boxing ways after he drops the belt, is is people in boxing there saying, Wow, I really don't want to fight him. No one's going to fight this guy. Is it a dry skull from them because no, not really. I think I think a lot of people were looking for that fight. You know, this is the fight of the guys from the Olympics. You know Rick bo said, oh uh he he got ripped off. Okay, prove it. Let's fighting, let's meeting the professionals. Let me tell you, really, Bo through a great combination in the Olympics that hit me that really pissed me off. And it was like one too and then up the middle like it's almost like a Tyson punch. And he learned that because he had a great trainer and he worked with professionals. I didn't. I was always working with amateurs. But he only caught me with that once, and that really turned me on to really, you know, focus on the next round. One thing about boxes, right that it's different from any other sport. Are you get dunked on and you'll still come out and play. You can get a home run hit on you, you can still go on pitch. When people get hit with that one punch that flaws will either knock them out coal or they hit the canvas. How does a box up, How do you get come back from that? Well, it's it's interesting and it's a good That's a great question because a lot of people can't come back from it like you get in training. You trained for the being knocked down coming back up. No you don't. I'm saying, is that anything apply to that? The greatest question is how does it feel to be knocked out? That's what I'm about to go next. And then I'm like, let me knock you up, because how do how does one like what is going through your mind? Like you trained? I believe it was Mike Tyson who said everyone is prepared until you get punched in the face. Like, so what happens when it's not punched in the face? You knocked down? Like? How does I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you the Rockman, my brother Rockman. That's great to hear. Yeah, met him where it ends in the beginning, and it was like, Yo, he said some things that really got under my skin. I said some things that really got unto his skin. And we we solved the whole thing in the ring and then we were friends. So that's what I love about boxing. You know, although we could be enemies, but you know, once we fight it out, we can be friends. So um for him. Uh when me and him thought he threw an unbelievable punch which my chin happened to be in the whale, I put up my hand and I thought I blocked, was blocking it like easier I got this guy, but it went around here and caught me on the chin and the action was straight away boom boom. So I went down and you want to know how it feels. It felt slow. Everything was going in slow motion, and then when I hit the ground, everything's spit up. So yeah, in that fight, I never really got an opportunity to really come back and you know, recover from it or anything. The referee just stopped the fight. But this is what happens in boxing. You know a loss, how do you come back from a loss? Well, for me, it was easy because I realized straight away what I did wrong. It wasn't like I got beat up or anything. I made a mistake. That mistake won't happen again. So my my mental condition was like, all right, because I got hit. If you got hit with the right hand, do you come out the next fight and are you just avoiding that right hand or are you are you? Are you still like on guard? But overall is it like, you know what, you just supported it right here. That's what I messed up at last time? Is it like that? Absolutely? Absolutely? You look at you, you look at the fight, you look at it, continue really and you say, what did I do wrong? And then you you when you're training, you're still thinking about what you did wrong. I gotta keep that hand up. I gotta make sure this is up. Watch out for that because that was really his best punch that he hit me with. And uh, you know, I did a remarkable job with the punch. But the second fight, now, the second fight second yeah, yeah, five months later, you know, I looked at the whole fire. Actually was in South Africa with Mandad. That was great. You know, I've seen Rockman won the heavyweight championship for the world and left Africa. Didn't visit Mandela, but he was the early though. Yeah he was. There was so much taking Let's get back to the man. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's a lot of people were saying that any time, anytime. Well, that was the first time I actually fought in altitude. I didn't know how high it was. For people that don't know, that's like your your body. You have to get your body has to get aclimated to breathing that way, right, And I wasn't acclimated. I was actually, um, you know, feeling good. But anyway, when I got into the fight, it kind of messed up my rhythm, my training rhythm. This is not how I how I trained, because what happens when you're in a high altitude. You gotta detroy a combination. Then you gotta take a breath. It's like a slower fight, and you've got to make sure that you don't um, take too much breath and have to go you know what I mean. It's like getting lightheaded as well. You get light lightheaded, you're not getting enough oxygen in your body, and it kind of messages with you mentally. It's like, oh, I'm gonna get tired if I do this. I gotta slow down. So it kind of messed me up in the fire a little bit. Well not the second fight. Yeah, of course, not learns from my mistakes. So I didn't say. You met Mandela on that trip Matt Mandela. Mandela said he was studying your boxing style. He said, Oh, don't worry, don't worry, Lennox, that's you'll get it next time. I know you take a mandela, really take a shop of mandela. Look at So that's yo, know, that's it because I listened. By the way, excellent documentary. I thank you you know. Um, by the way, I would have watched the documentary rather we was just I wanted it. I mean that was everybody's home works. But um, it was sparts like that that impressed me that I didn't know to see the humanity. Damn ya, come on, come on the humanity and um, you know that not only that, this is a question. I know I'm bouncing around. Um did you and Tyson has watched it? When Ali asked you both to be his bell as, Um, there was Yeah, you had a ready squashed long time, A long time, okay, because I was looking right after the fight. We squashed it after the fight, came up in showed respect fast. Let me pick you up again. Let's go pick up my brother Tyson. Yes, hand no, no mandela. Let's let's think a mandela for a second. Yes, that's historic. I mean it was important. It was important to me because this man spent twenty seven years in jail for the rights of black people, for the right. Did you visit the prison and I didn't get to that. It was a cloudy day and and then the ferries weren't going. Let me tell you out there, the prison is about as big as this route. It's like how you put a prison on the island and then making a small prison and then make the sales small. It's like some mental thing. That prison was still open when you visit the horse to it. Now you can go. When when I went out to the person that actually showed us around was actually in jail with Mandela. So it's like they're alcatraz and ye, yeah, and you you you were in Ghana for the fight or you was in Ghana to see Mandela. No, I went to Ghana actually for my friend's wedding. Yeah, the prince, the Prince, the prince, he could say, the Prince are gone. I call him prince, So the Prince are GONEA there you go. And so how does this phone go happen? Did somebody say, hey, man, Nelson wants to meet you, and you're like Nelson, who like I doubt they say nehing No. No, My aim was, if I'm going to be in Africa, I'm gonna definitely gonna look him up. Yeah, definitely. I went to I went to Suto, I went to all the different Yeah, um, great place, you know, massive, just big, but yeah, great place. I ate so much food in Africas. I'm like, I wonder why why am I eating so much food? They said because fresh. We just killed it today for people people. Um that I had a conversation with Acorn about this on the here and um and and Acar keeps it stressing that that there's you don't have to take shots to go to Africa. Everyone thinks that you have to take shots to go to Africa becas we can't drink the water. Is that something that you experienced? Um, yeah, I didn't take shots out to the hills. Oh wow, we didn't. We didn't take me dream? Are we taking no shots to go Aca? We went to Okay, to Johannesburg. And these are only for like the paranoid people. I mean, you drink bottomed water. You're not gonna drink tap water just because you're not used to their water. That's crazy. Mann, I gotta I gotta go to Africa. That are big. I'm black. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. I got noses thinking the same thing, So let's I'm bossing about a little bit tied a Biggs fight. You beat him in the Olympics, right, yeah, but next he was only one. You got your revenge. How did that feel? It felt good? Um, you know, the only reason that Tyrelle Biggs beat me the first time because of lack of experience. This was an Olympics. This was the Olympics, and before that he's had international um experience all over the globe. And this is the first time of my international experience. And he was definitely, um, a little bit better than me in in what he did, yeah, in the Olympics. So I realized that, Okay, he won the Olympics, I'm gonna come back and and and beat him in the pros. And my focus was real, real serious when I when it came to training for that particular fight. If you look at that fight, I was in great shape and I was ready for the rumble. So um and I and I was upset the fact that, oh, you beat me in the eighty four Olympics and then you won the Olympics. He didn't do anything, so I didn't go professionally. Right then, I'm gonna beat you just to show that, you know how good I've become now. When I watched, when I watched, I also watched the documentary, I went and watch the actually fight because I'm a fight man. Yeah. The only fight I can really say you defended to be lost is the Rock the Rock Mom fight. I love on the call fight I watched ten times. I watched on a thing on a documentary, but then I actually wanted to watch it myself. You were up at seven and a half, which this is what I really said to myself. You're a real gentleman. Because I wanted you to refute that. I wanted you to be like like you know, but you just you didn't take it. What did that was? You was up at seven and a half. I did it myself, maybe eight, but ike seven and a half. When you gotta anyone like this, you did wobble a little bit, but your hands was up. As a champion, I felt you should have defended your championship. I felt like that he should have took it from you. He almost took it from you. But when you did like this, we defended. I felt like you're supposed to make up. Let me tell you if it really depends on you know, boxing is a funny game because you know, if if the promoters putting on the show, then he puts everything together. He brings yeah, we're gonna get into him. Next, he brings in the judges. He brings in everybody. So if it's his show and his boxer's boxing, you know the disferee, yeah, judges. Well, after my fight, I actually in the referee sitting at a big round table all dressed up with Don King. After the fight, I was going to the after part. I'm like, wow, and he goes Lennox Lewis. Actually I love Don King King. Don King is a real nice guy. You know, obviously is everybody knows about his promotional days and what he's done and his history. But you know, he's a person that I kind of learned from. So I watched and I learned from and there's a couple of things I picked up. I believe the Holy fil got fifteen. You got Tim and Don King got Tim. And he didn't get puss in the space at all. Somebody somebody's in the posting in the space. Come on, let's at little guy. This is what or what what you said? Grab him? Like, I want to know where Lennox gets the mindset of the positive thinking, because you're right after the mccaull fight. I was beating after the holy Field fight when he clearly wanted to meet and they called it a how when they put the micro him how positive he is, you could and he knows he's getting ripped off, but he just stays positivity. But not only not only let me help you out with this, not only did they get ripped off, This was the time the crowd, actually the crowd was like your biggest flavor flav hype man. It was like it was like the crowd and like, where did that? How their mindset come from? You had your whole career till now. Yeah, And I'm a positive person and I believe that. You know, I want to be around positive people because I don't like when people bring you down or energies bring you down. And I realized in boxing, you gotta win definitively, don't leave love to the judge. And there may be sometime you're gonna lose. You can't be in boxing and think you're gonna win all the time. There may be a chance you're gonna lose. So mentally you have to know that what how are you going to deal with that. So, um, you know it's a situation where I lost. Yeah, I want to be for you. It doesn't matter that the referee helped him, but whatever, it didn't help, you know, because I'm thinking, you know, I'm heavyweight champion of the world. This is my type. Man has to win it from me. But yeah, he knocked me down once and you want to stop the fight. So, I mean every box has been through their type of drama or situation where judges have gone against them. Uh, Wittaker against um, I believe what's my man name for Mexico? And he beat him up the whole fight and then at the end he just hit him once. Yes, yes, yeah, that was a great fight. That's a great great the whole fight. And then at the end you got the one and the stock. Yeah. You know. So boxes go through their you know, ups and downs, but you can't let the downs affect you. You gotta you gotta, you gotta see through it. So I'm like life, you know, all the downs you gotta make, you gotta bring it back. Is how you deal with the downs basically, which defines who you are. But is there underbelly of gambling and things like that that are deciding these things that have nothing to do with the actual boxing itself. You know, I always thought that. I always thought, yeah, you know, somebody's somebody knows something. How do they know to you know, to to do the betting? That blows me. Did a judge get paid to go one way? Yeah? I don't know. You'll never know. You never know, you never know. But one thing I realized in my boxing career, bring your own judges. Right. That's now now again, I'm bouncing around a little bit. One of the most interesting fights it was when it was England against England, the Bruno fight. And I remember, I believe he was in the car and the reporter comes up to you and says, he said, he's going to knock you back to Canada. It wasn't a nice thing to say. And then you said, well, he's trying to intimidate me, but I can't be intimidated. How How was that like? Um? Because you're born in England? Okay? I mean, you know, Frank Bruner was the main guy in England right now. He was doing pantomime, he was doing all kinds of things and he was man. Look, he wanted to get in luck when I talked as the man from England, look a look at this question right ready. So you know he's been over there for a while, so he you know, he's the darling of England. Everybody. You know. I loved him. He didn't give no trouble um. He was a nice guy. I thought it was a nice guy too, but nobody was there to challenge him. And when I came over, I came to challenge him. I said, he is the he is the old. I am the new and and I think that affected him mentally because he didn't like what I said. He said, I was gonna he's gonna knock me back to to Canada. And they didn't want to accept me being British, that I was born in England because of my Canadian accident. I said, oh, it sounds American. It sounds every every time I go to England sounds American. It sounds American. I was like, I'm I'm Canadian, I'm British. I grew up in Canada. That's why I sound American. But I've got a North American uh speech. Ye. So yeah, that was that was a serious time at that time. It was really the new coming in getting coming against the old, and it's a fight. It's always a fight. I'm coming in his territory. So once the people seeing the fight and realize, Okay, the new is good, the new is the one that's gonna win the heavyweight champion of the world in over a hundred years. This is the man that's gonna do it. So that that's why everybody, you know, his fans started to be my fans. And obviously it's got is die heart fans, but you know they liked me as well because the fact of what I was doing or what I did that I was that pull the to you know, I'm because I respect you guys as a champion who you are. So how was that confidence build it for you? Win? You won in the Olympics and can Canada embrace you because they didn't win in fifty something years, So that confidence to you is I'm un It was great because you know, after the Olympics, I actually went to um the West coast of the Canada, Vancouver, all these different places. I didn't bring no money. Everybody gave me everything. It was like wow, and people, old ladies were coming out to me and saying thank you, thank you. I'm like, why, because you want the Olympics and I felt I felt really really great on that, and let's drink to that. Hold on, hold man, hold on, hold on. You got I got, I got, I got like fifteen thousand questions, but I got I got notes. That's what you know. I'm feeling great. You guys are serious about this dream. Okay, well, let you know. I can't be faded night. It didn't work. It didn't work. I was giving you wed vine and but okay, after the out of a McCall fight, you did something that was remarkable. You recognize your mistake, but you didn't give the credit to the fight. Of yes, you gave it to him. You know why I didn't give the credit to him because it was a lucky punch. The man moved and did his thing, and he was shocked himself. I'm like, that was right. You know. Mentally, I was trying to throw to get that right hand, and I was trying to knock him out. I was trying to knock everybody out, and to me, he was a learning process. It was learning process. Because I was trying to knock him out, he knocked me out. So I said, what the dude wrong? And then almost like the reverse roll adult right, Yeah, So I realized what I did, drown, fixed it, and I came back. Well, here's the genius part about it. You looked at the architect and Manuel stew it absolutely absolutely, And let me tell you, if you look at the documentary, you're gonna see many say roll and come back. You took away his best his best weapon, roll and come back. And that's what he did. And to me, see, that's the difference between uh, a normal trainer and a trainer that has experienced because he can say, to you, man, that guy's be knocking people out with right hands. This is how we're gonna go after him. We're gonna let him throw that right hand, take it away from him and come back because he's troined it with everything. So I put everything into it all the all he did is wave it off and come back. And really I'm helping myself knock me out because I'm going forward the punch. Yeah, and I'm going forward and he's going he's just really swinging back and coming forward. I'm coming forward into the punch and meeting the punch that on. I hope now you had also Pepper the trainer right, Pepper, great trainer. Actually, you know, who do you go against you with? Like he was? He was down with you right the same dude, No nobody else. I forgot the guy's name right now. But yeah, how was that embossing did you come up with? And it's actually it's actually not business business if they're going but it seem like he was a yes to you. Yeah, it wasn't a crush. Frankie told you that he thought, yeah, okay, yeah, you know, for him coming against me, I don't hold it against him because he's a trainer, you know, and uh, he was in my camp. He knows me, So I think the other side was smart to get him. We want to know about Lennox Lewis, what's his what's his assets, what's what's good about him? Where can we get him? If they're going to give the trainer money, has to live, so he's gonna take it. But I love Peppi. Peppi is a great trainer and he actually just lost one of his sons. Condolences to him, blessed him so but all right, but a man was to so what happens you goes? You guys in the documentary which I love we took him, asked him, and how did you be? Yes, he told me took away the right hand I was He said, I was reaching too much and I was over reaching because my balance was over So they took advantage of that. And this is a technical era, technical era. That's why I always say it's a great boxers. Get a good coach, get an old coach, because he can he's being around a while. He can tell you things that you don't know. I'm not gonna laugh. For get the documentary. Just for me being a Limus Newisman. I knew when you got with a man, what type of fighting you like. I mean he was already elite, but he made you super eighty. Let me tell you. Emmanuel Stewart is a great yeah, bless um. He taught me so much and he knows so much. Um. Great trainer. He's the trainer of champions. Ah. When when we had a fight coming up, he would say to me, go watch the fight, because you got you you break down things easy. Good. I like the way you break the things down. So I looked at the fight. I broke it down. He came, he said, that's right, that's what we need to do. Plus this so he would add a little us to do it, and we're a great team. He was. He's like I said, he what he said, and when he spoke I understood and could relate to what he needs done. So if he said go win this round, he knows that I will go and win this round. How crazy it was it? Because, um, I believe the cliss brothers did the same thing you did. After the Clisger brothers for with you. They hired the manual. Yeah, the smartest thing they ever did, get the trainer of champions. I think, I think, I think, I think, Um, you know, they did the right thing. They made the right move and you know it helped them. It benefited them, right man? I mean, you know, looking for his track work. Obviously I've met him man roll, but I didn't get on the gym with them. Are you know? Take boxing like that? I love boxing, but um, it's it's like he makes a champion a champion. He makes them more than he is. So how was it? So did you have to go to the Detroit and train with him or what was it? I know you had dinner, I think they I think they said and they said, you guys had dinner, But then how did they move forward and did they said, you guys have some rests, like don't just come in here immediately, train, get some rest and then what was what was it like proceeding? Oh yeah, yeah, so the first meeting with the Manu, I'm actually new and Manu before that because he said you're gonna be a champion back then, like yeah, so um, Manny basically came into camp and showed me a couple of things that I didn't know, Like, for instance, you know, because of the fact that I used to fight smaller guys and they used to be hookers, so I had to make sure that my my right hand was up all the time. So I used to keep it up here, keep it up here. Man He came into the chemistate, why are you keeping your hand up here? He said? He said, if anybody throws a hook, you can move your your your hand two inches, can't you. I'm like, yeah, I can, I can. He said, then do that. He said, your hand should be in front of your mouth. And let me tell you he helped me because in the Ray Mercy fight, Ray Mercer had a great job. Great job he was popping that jomb He actually gave me a fat lip. And you know, boxes after a fight, even if you want, walking around with a fat lip is embarrassing. What happened. What happened. So he helped me out of that because I hated that it was embarrassing and always having a fat lip. And I won. Oh my god, so u he was great. You know this is technical. Put your hand in front of your face because even if a guy throws a job, it's gonna catch your hand. It's gonna catch your hand. He said, if a guy throws a hook, you can move your your hand two inches. Yeah. So the technical asked back to Emmanuel, is he's like a professor. He knows it. He knows it good. So let's let's so we talked about uh ritick bout no no, Razor Rodick. Razor Roddick was a sparring partner of mine. In fact, we sparred together so we would help each other and uh uh he had such a great job. He actually helped me develop my job because he had a great job. And when we sparred so much, it's like I was learning off of him and it was like I wanted my job to be good. He would hit me with his job like this guy hit me with It was like a fight, almost like a fight, but it was actually sparring matches. We're helping each other, but it was a fight. You know. I didn't want him to get better the better of me. He didn't want to me to get the better of him. So we helped each other get better. Iron Yeah. Yeah, what was your favorite fight? You ever had? Favorite fight? There was no favorite fight all. My fight's a favorite favorite because of the fact that each fight brought around something different. It's not different math problems, different math problems to solve. There's the math problem. Is your choice to fix it. Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna lie. You have a real, great, great, great great career. Listen, So I don't know did you get to did you the gloves? Oh? So sorry the gloves? You know, I got gloves for you to sign. Man, show that out there. Man, I'm super fan and out Oh you you fucked up. I got my gloves, brother, I got one glove. I got a charity called the Lennox Lewis League of Champions and Kids. Yeah you watch them. Let's take shouts for the kids. Yeah yeah, walk you need more, so tell us about the charity. Yeah. We uh, we've been around for six years. We've been having camps for four years, and it's basically bringing kids into a situation where like we're teaching them how to be great people. You know, I look at my life and the people that were involved in helping me. This is what I want to do for young kids. Create um boxing camps for them, really teach them how to box and teach them how to deal with life. And the same disciplines that we have in boxing will help you through life. So introduce the boxing. Right, police Officer brough in to the gym. Right, I actually went to I gotta tell you this story, so be ready. It's like it's like we have all these different high schools in Miami. Then they say to you, Okay, we're gonna have a dance every month at a certain high school, but if anybody from any different high school goes there and fights, they're expelled. So obviously we went to this school called k c I and the bad boys from there. I wanted to fight us because the girls liked us, obviously, and you know, we realized we we said to it. We said to them, listen, come down to the police box and Jim and box and we'll fight you down there. You guys said this to them, Yeah, because we couldn't fight at the at the at the dance. So they said, yeah, yeah, we're gonna go. We're gonna be there. We'll be there in England or Canada. In Canada and they didn't show up. I went, me and my friend went, Andrew Um didn't show up anyway. The trainer said, hey, you which is me? Go move around with this guy and moves around with this guy and then all of a sudden he hit me in the nose and my eyes started watering. I didn't like it. He said, Okay, don't worry, don't worry, go with this guy. Put me in the guy with my size. I started doing Mohammad Ali, which is the only the only guy I watched on boxing, and it felt like it felt good. It was a game to me, and that's what caught me in boxing. Lets you know your maniac where you like violence. I was trying to worry that you said that. I didn't. She's like, like, I just liked it mediac It's just like no, honestly, honestly, like some people are just skilled at what they do. Some people are skilled that talk. Some people are skilled that rappid. Some people are skilled that knocking motherfucker's And something about you news that first time you got the rings that I like this? Yeah, yeah, it was great, and I realized it was your own. You don't have to depend on the team because I was a team player. I played football, basketball. This team is a one team, one person team, right, So it really depends on you. So it depends on your sacrifice. So if you're partying, drinking or whatever and then you're going to fight, it's not gonna work. If you're focus, dedicating, it's gonna work, especially if you're good, and if you're focused mentally and strong minded, Yeah, take it all day. You already have the hight. I'm good, I'm good. Did you already have the high when you first? Yeah? Well I was. I was kind of like that lanky kid, tall and lanky, m You know, I noticed on your fight, as tall as you are on us and as reaches you have, you're gonna inside it. You get inside, all right. So that's good because you know a lot of fighters, a lot of heavyweights don't like boxing inside. Right. Somebody told me, somebody told me, like I forgot who that was. I think it was a manual. I said, you've got to be good on the inside and the outside. You've got to be able to box on the inside and the outside. So I learned to box on the inside because of that, because I don't want anybody beating me on the inside. I want to win on the inside and the outside. So I want to be a great professional on the inside and the outside as as a chest player. Not to cont you up, sorry, would it be fair to say that since you're tall and have reached that the opponent is training that way. So when you're getting closed, they lost, you know, like the trying and they're training to fight you from a distance. But since you get in the middle, then they didn't prepare for that. Well. Sometimes sometimes because some some guys that have shorter arms feel that if they have shorter arms they can beat you there. Their main focus should be on the inside because there they got short arms. So and then if I got long arms, I can't box inside. But I'm I fooled him. I fooled I hold him all right, So I want to get into it. Everybody ready hitting your with tom everybody be the band, only be ready cold. I didn't raison running to be the everybody, and then they say it's finally time to die. From the cat Skills to the Paris. First of all, what are you thinking, like, because according to the documentary, I forgot my your man's name. He said that that I think Tyson won the first day. Corney, Corny your homeboy, who wrong with you? I fun with him? Have I seen him? Look? Um? And he said custo model. And I believe you, guys, Angie Corney, I mean the white guy that was with you, Arni, Arni. Um. So they said that you gotta squat the first day, and you didn't. You lost the first day somewhere, and then the next day you learned him and you are back years later this happens. First off, that's like your style, like if you lose, you figure it out back, right. But this is something that's I think it's barely on tape, like you gotta spiring. I don't know if that it was both of you guys who kept looking at but I was like, all right, I gotta be those two, you know. Let me tell you. Let me tell you, bro. We went up to the cart Skills cat Skills, and actually I was in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. We've really been all over the place. Won the world I won the World Junior Championship over there. This is when I was like, uh, seventeen, okay, let me take a shot for you. Come on, give me a shot. That's why you gotta ad. That's good. You can't get drunk. No, no, ok sounds. And I won the tournament over there, the World Junior Championship, and the American team said, well, you need to box the best. Who's the best, He said, Tyson, you don't like taking planes? His manager, they don't like taking planes, and uh, if he was here would be I'm like really, so me and my trainer talked to me, said listen, let's go find this guy. He's up in the cat Skills. I'm like, okay, he said, let's drive up there. So we drove up there. Okay, I didn't stop you because the cat Skills is close to Canada. Correct, Yes, because that's upstate New York, New York, Buffalo. Yes, continue, I'm with you. Every week we drove up there, I met Mike Tyson, I met custom model, nice people. Mike Tyson was nice. He was like, you know you know, he's my age, and he took me up into this room. He put a sheet up and he were looking at old fights. I'm like, yo, when did you get these old fights? I've never seen these old fights. No, like this was films. He hanged the sheet up and it was in his room and it was like we were watching it. He was telling me about these old fighters and how they would box and what they would do, and I realized, wow, I didn't know about the sweet science. Realizing how these guys would, you know, headbut and punch a guy behind the head, and different things they would do in the fight, teaching how to fight dirty. Even he was actually he was actually showing me how these guys got away with certain things in a fight because the referee wasn't watching, but they got away with it, and it's part of the fight, part of the space if you don't cast. It was great. It was a great learning experience for me, and uh, you know, it was great to go up there actually spar with a guy that later on I would fight. And custom Model actually predicted that. He said at one point, you guys are going to meet later on, and I didn't know if that was true. I I always remembered what he said, and I said, is this ever gonna happen? And it happens. Okay, all right, so now cat skills happen, You're going on. You live this career. Tyson comes out, you'll never fight. He goes to jail, he comes out right. I believe one of his tactics was he wont to fight prior to you getting in the ring because most people he intimidates. Now, are you not intimidated for Mike because of the cats skill experience, or you're just not intimidating because you don't get intimiddating. I don't get intimidated. I don't get into Yeah. My thought like, let me tell you the first time I went into the ring. I had my first fight. I had to go to the bathroom and my stomach, my stomach was no we plus butterflies in my stomach. Did you say we? Yeah? We never heard that before. You have to remember my kids, I'm my kids, so kids, we first fight, you had the weak After ten fights, I didn't have to we anymore, but I was nervous, right, So I had butterflies in my stomach. Everybody, Yeah, yeah, after twenty fights, done with the wind done with the butterflies. So that's how you progress in in in boxon mentally. Okay, so now you're dominated. This guy is on the other side of the world. Guys are connected, and you see the previous of what he's capable of. I'm not sure if if he's on a downfall at this time. I'm sure you can talking to Tyson's coming out of incarceration, but he's a monster. Oh yeah, this press conference happens, and in the documentary you say not backing down, all right, So in that situation, it's a situation of like, alright, we all know about Tyson, nobody knows about me, right, So I'm like, you're gonna make some and you know, in in my culture, it's like, you know, we say, dog that box the loudest has no teeth. So it was a situation where like, yo, this is the first time I felt like he was deliberately trying to Yeah, he's bad. He's a bad guy in the sense of like he can intimidate people. He's intimidating a lot of people, but you don't know who he's intimidating. He's intimidating a bad a bad guy. I'm a batman in that sense. I don't take that so makeup time, right, Yeah, Loishan WANs so he knew, well, I knew what he was about, but he didn't know what I was about. You don't know where I'm coming from, nothing about me. It's like that really both situation where like, yo, he says this about me, Okay, cool, all right, he's gonna see So mentally, I was prepared for that. I was prepared for that fight. I was looking for that fight, and I knew that he didn't know me. And mentally I'm really strong minded. And are you holding on to what happened as y'all as children or you saying no, you know what that that was us as children? Actually I didn't realize what. I didn't know where it was coming from. I didn't know why he was being like this because we knew each other as when I went up to the catskill, were we were friends, you know. He says that, he says that afterwards, he says that he says he's only promoting the fight, But as a fan, I didn't take it like that. I didn't take it like he was only promoting the fight. I took it like what the fund is these two grown man. You know, this is me a fan, This is I have no ties to to anybody at this time at least, so go ahead continue. Let me tell you what a lot of people don't realize and don't remember, well I don't know, is the fact that a lot of the promoter wanted that to be an American British thing like West Coast, East Coast, West Coast. Yeah, but it was it was more American than the British should come in, the British should come in talk. So we said, no, it can't be that. We don't want that type of mess that's too messy. It's not even true. But yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh, you know it was more just um, you know, me trying to get the everyweight championship of the world, Tyson trying to legends meeting, and I'm gonna tell you some funny ship. The other day, Um, zab Judah's are here, so I couldn't get get to get to them. We can't make it happen or whatever I'm saying. Zab Judah and Lenus have a connection. I just can't identify the connection. I watched the documentary the third time and I'm like diggest that shoot was actually what Tyson that did you had a relationship other than that or no time? No, I knew of a job aza he uh. I've watched him box. He's a great fighter. And but you know, obviously there's there's people that love Tyson that you know what, they love Tyson so much. Zab is one of them. Um, I don't hold it against him. So okay, now this fight finally happens. Right, you already know you great, you already know what's happening. You're in the room. I believe you're playing all hands right when am I playing? Wasn't in in the Tyson fright about an addressing room? Oh no, no, you're playing something. I was playing caton Yeah, that was currently that time. Yea. And the guy from Tyson camp, because see your man said that he knew he was gonna win the fight from the press comp. I did not love that. I think he's gonna fight because of how you did not care Tyson's man. I was there to sign your glove. That was the body snatch you right there? Wait, what was the body snatcher? That was Mike McCullum, the guy I didn't know. Yeah, and he's Jamaican. He understood, Yeah, he understood. Nice guy. Loved the guy to death. But you know, he's a Tyson fan. He loves Tyson. He loves me too. But at that time, he's he was with Tyson. Tyson told him to come over, come over, watch me wrap my gloves. We're playing some Jamaican music. We're getting into it. He's feeling the vibe. You know, I'm trying to you know, I'm trying to say. He's trying to say, you know, he's on the Tyson field. I'm trying to say, I'm on the Louis field. We're not giving up. This is how we feel about it, and you know, we're feeling good. So all he could feel was the vibe in the dressing room, knowing that we were ready, and he couldn't really come back and give that to Tyson. Say, oh, what could he tell Tyson they're not playing? Yeah, basically, yeah, I watched them, Uh wrap up, everything's good. But he felt the vibe. So now let me ask you. You do know the reputation of Tyson this after holy Field, you'll beat holy Field. He for holy Field, He beat holy Field's air off. He beat you in the Crescent press conference. I believe that's what, Yeah, to live in the leg, in the leg in the first three parts. So I threw the first punches though, the first three punches, I believe you said. So this first round happens at least the first time I've ever seen this. They had these people with the yellow shirts. First time in history. I've never I'm a boxing fan. My mother was a boxing place for the golden gloves. I'm not a box to shoot. I don't know why, I don't know how that happen. It's weird, right, but anyway, first time I'm looking and I'm seeing yellow shirts and between the wind and I'm like, wow, what are you thinking. I'm thinking I've ever seen this before, and I'm thinking I'm walking the ring. Let me tell you first thing, Tyson came into a great song DMX DMX maybe what was it? What was it? Yeah? You know who I came into. You know who I came into. I came into Bob Marley and I wasn't in no rush. It was easy, yeah, going, and we're chasing the ballers out of time. Yeah, and big up to the Marley family, the whole of Marley family. Big up, Ritchie, big up. Yes. Um. So you know I was relaxed coming in the ring. When I came in the ring, I went over to my corner. I've seen Mike Tyson in the middle of the ring looking over at me. I'm like, I don't have to look over. I'm back here. I can see everything. So that was interesting. First time in history that ever happened. First time in history. We actually weighed in on separate days cause to the press, because of they thought something was gonna go off, you know, my team against his team, because it happened before, but it didn't. You know, it was great that we walked into the fight with a human I'm gonna tell you something, Barrier. Yes, and I'm not on um Tyson's team in any way, shape, form or fashion. But when him rush you at that press conference, I bought the pay per view because I said, holy shit, they hate each other. This is what So when Tyson his promo works what you're saying that it absolutely what you're saying. You gotta remember, like what year was that Google three? I had to get four three or four yo pay per view right then let's go. And so didn't you let me tell you I didn't come to that press confidence to fight. I was in a suit. Yeah, I was in a three piece suit. It's like you know, but I did have the fruits to Islam protecting me. So they protected me like I wasn't touched in that sense, like when when he attacked me, they were there. Uh. I didn't want that fight that to happen. In fact, I couldn't believe it happened. Why would the man attack me? So I thought that he never wanted to fight because he like um not bo did Yeah you think he does a bow move type of thing or not. I'm I just thought it was I thought it was a sucker sucker move in one sense, like yeo, why is he doing it? Doesn't he want the fight to happen. We're gonna make millions? What's he doing? But I didn't think the millions mattered at that time. So and it way when he beat me on my leg, It's like, yo, I was shocked that he would bite me on my leg. I've never been bit by a human before, and so you knew when you got this human man, you knew that it's human. It's human. I was actually actually in a little shock, like yo, this man bait me. I can see the there's a green circle around the bite. Almost. Yeah. And then this guy is saying that, you know, he wants to bruised, he bruised, he wants to he wants to eat my kids. I'm I don't know about all that jail talking. You know that still comes from jail, Jill talk to me. And then also, let's be clear, I'm I'm a Tyson fan. But he also told a reporter I'm as like it was to me. That was just wild and wild and yell. We were video tape in this whole shit, and you can't this is not this is not the guy you met cast No, No, I don't know him like that. I don't know him like that. I know him as a nice guy. You know, you guys are very polite. Yeah, so this is a new person to me. So after the fight, this is the guy that I know. Because I'm gonna be honest, I always felt like you didn't forgive him right out in the fight. Right after the fight, everybody's apologizing to you. You're definitely not looking at him, You're looking away. You gotta remember, you gotta remember I won the fight. So I can never look at him badly, like, yo, I wanted to fight. I feel good. You know, he's apologized on being like this is the fight of the century, my brother. Yes, this is the fight that everybody was looking forward to. They wanted to see this fight. So I'm happy that actually occurred. Instead of like, yo, if he would be incarcerating, we never thought that this whole argument would be be going for centuries. Now. I'm gonna tell you something, but you gotta before you gotta give it up to Tyson for his humility after the fight. Not only that, Mike Tyson came to UM New York Club. I forgot the name of the club right now. It escapes me. But when they were uh saying that I was, you know, on the spirited champion. He came and said and played his respect, and I'm like, yo, this guy respects me. Man, this guy's full of respect. I love this guy. Yes, yes, I can't remember that because guy's got a drinking so so. Uh when you look at the arts and all this, like people like lenses, what was the odds against you and Tyson? You know, I think it was more. Oh it's from Britain, you know, horizontal heavyweights. UM you know, they don't have a chance. We got we gotta kill it. We got tyson. So everybody was looking at me as being a soft englishman type of things. So I just wanted to prove him wrong. Drink that I got. I got one more shot after me, please please. Also, you know, I watched the Dog myself, and I noticed from the beginning to the end, you had lots of friends, but there was friends that you trusted, that you took that car story just to keep you grounded. And I want you to talk about that. You know the importance of having your friends uh along your journey with you. And the second part of the question is are your hands still considered lethal weapons? Let me ask you the first question. Yes, let me ask I mean sex question. What was it about your friends? So he's asking you, he's looking at knowing he's asking you that question. His friends friends, My friends were important. It was important to me to keep my friends there. And you know, let's talk about Corney. Corney is such a great friend. Me and him were in the same class together. We used to give trouble to the teachers football players. He's the guy talked about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're on the same football team together. Now see the guy who's supposed to go be an athlete, left letter trainer, but he stopped for you for one fight, the one with the with with closing your yeah, and uh, you know he knew I know him, I knew him. I know how he is. He's a serious guy. He don't ticket, he's he's a straight talker. So happen in on my team was very important. It was a good asset for me because I don't have to worry about if he's gonna lie to me, if if money's gonna manipulate him, if people are gonna keeping your grounded, keep him me grounded. So he was great respect to him as I pulled you to the shot. So now you beat Tyson, I don't want to ring, Like, do you realize how many people love Tyson? Did you get like death threats and things like that when you beat Tyson? Like he goes like, well the funds, Like you know it must be somebody like you know, I knew a lot of people love Tyson to the degree where you know I would like, for instance, I'm in New York and we're going to one of those after hour club. I mean, my boy is going to the club alone. As we're walking into the club, we're seeing like fifteen guys stomping out one guy. And then as we're walking in, the guy comes up to me and says, oh, yo, yeah, we love Tyson. I'm like, I love Tyson too, And then you know, nothing happens. They go on because I'm like, you're ready, I'm ready for it. I'm ready to uh and uh. You know it's like that. It's like I'm in I'm in America, a lot of Tyson fans and I'm the man that's saying I'm the best and I'm gonna beat Tyson. So you know, I gotta watch where I step because there's a lot of Tyson fans. Four quick time I slam. Do you remember shot the video? Um, I'm going to live my life remember that video? Little extra filming the video, little exposed me to the side, says yo. You know. Lennis Lewis says, I wanted to chop Little X in his fucking throat. Slewis, It's like, let this Lewis canna come by and come chills, and We're like, h this was come by, come give him five. I'm totally forgetting. I'm filming the video. He and this is and Jar Rule and they pull up and yeah, roll on them. Look and they say, man, Lennix Lynnix. You can tell he's just focused. I don't know if you remember this, but I remember, like, yes, because I never begave. I never forgave, so I looved and John just looked at He was like, yo, bro, so you know you know you're gonna lose against Tyson. And I could just look at the lyrics he just show. You remember like he just he gave him the eyes of pig. He didn't really want to. You know, we had invited and I could remember. I remember when he beat Tyson. I called job man. Yeah, but I could imagine this is his job. Job didn't disrespect, he just was He just was versing his opinion. But I could imagine what he was going through through the world when you when you're walking around people, was saying here, no more here. Because even to Puffy, I said, Puff, who are you gonna pick? He said, I gotta go in New York, New York. After all you see, he said, I gotta go in New York. I'm like, okay, I respect that. I respect the man saying to my face he's going with Tyson, but me and my friends because that gave me the heat to prove him wrong. Like, yo, bro, I beat and now your friends with Dr Drake. God damn it, it's getting over his situation. Yeah, drink chairs by the ways up. Yeah, so just hav into that for a second. Um, most people can't get Dr Dre to pick up their phone and so they too, Yeah what's that connection? Let me tell you. Dr Dre is he's incredible, bro, incredible, Like, Yo, this guy is semantic. This guy should be playing chess. He's playing chess on a different level. He had the e F glasses on to glasses on the glasses in a great way. Here's yeah, but what what are you hanging out with him? And you say, could you narrow my shirt? Or he just says, I meant. I met Dre in Miami at a club. I mean we're sitting down. He had like six bodyguards and I was sitting next to him. I was like, Yo, what's up and mean and we're talking for a while, and I realized that guy's got a great spirit, great energy. And then when I went to his house, she talked to him about the documentary. He showed me his big house, beautiful house. But he's got a beautiful mind, and he's got he's got great positive people around him. His friends are very positive. So you know, I told him my thing about doing a documentary opened up my life and this and that. He said, do it. He said, my friend came every day and told me I need to do the documentary. I was like, no, no, no, I'm not doing it. Then after the third time, he said, okay, you do it. Then he did it. He said he was glad he did it. So that really showed me that I needed to do. He said, open up. He said, people want to know you. They want to tell him. Yeah, you know, we need to know the other part. Yeah, and he was right. So I did, and he helped me open up with my documentary. So godam it makes a noise about That's got a segment on the show called quick Time a slim. Now, if you don't want to pick either one, it's okay, a shot, Okay, all right, all right, let's just get it. Let's get his shot, give a little something something because I don't know you can't for this first one, and I wanna take a shot with you whenever you can't take school. You can't pick. Then we take a shot. Okay, this first one, you might get your shot. Ready, let's do it all right, because this is quick time, slim right. The first one is England or Canada, the world. I'm like, what are you doing? Okay, this this should be easy, but this should be easy for you, Mike Tyson, Ali, oh, both come on, we can't take before you go to the next one. Let me tell you what. Let me tell you why both legends. I love them both great uh people, great character, and they're living history generationally, they were the great. I'm but I'm gonna need you choose to stop for here. Now, z onsh you got oranges and you've got apples? Which one do you put in your grocery basket? Oranges? I'm gonna get my shot because I don't know, hold on, hold on, hold on, I'm I'm taking a shot. But also he said both, He said both, yes, but you can't which is the favorite fruit? Oranges or apples? As we were too this one, how I look at Biggie and Puck oranges and apples. That's why I ain't got big pot. But jay Z already said that's the trying avoid s Nate Sharon walked in head all right, M S G or M G M. Don't know who they are. M S G is Master Square Vegas. What you put in the from GM Vegas. Yeah, you're talking about two Mecca, my shot man? Do you want to put up like come rules? Ms G bush into with Patrick? Alight? Alright, that's better? Are you better? Hang on? Dr j No, No, Michael, I got Louis Joe Lewis or Rocky mar Oh my brother brother better. I'm going for the bigger man, Joe Louis Joe because because now the reason why I took that, because Joe Lewis is bigger. It's a heavyweight, Hea heavyweight, I got. I got a couple more, all right, I think I think I know you're gonna pick with this, Manuel Stewart or Customertil. You got history and science? Which one? History? Science? History? You gotta believe history? Please make one because I don't gotta because this gets hard after this as hard? All right? So no either or oh no history and science so you can't break history and side no shot for that. But this one is I'm gonna get my shot lined up. Jordan's or Kobe. Oh, come on this history of science, that's what it is. Let's say. You know, when I heard about Kobe's passing, I was so disappointed. I was so struck. What really struck me the most was the fact that he had his daughter with him. That's so he will be forever loved. And you know, every time I go in l A, I see different paintings, so he will always be remembered. So I expect that. Let's have let's have a doing him and his daughter. Yeah, yeah, we have to um, yeah, you have to love Braun or Durant Oh talking about too great. That's he's like activity. He's like bringing a potato. Let me tell you, both of them do positive ship. That's very too. So how can you pick one both of them? Let me tell you next one. I gonna pick it. I'm gonna pick it. Very tough. This is easy. Kim, oh, foxy brown baby, big respect to little Kim because she was the first. Thing was she was the first. She did it the most, she did enough things, and she's opened the way for the young kids that are coming up now. So little Kim is there. And let me tell you, I was walking at one time. I think I was in the fountain blue or something, and she was out there and I walked past, and she goes, hey, you don't remember me. You don't know me? Like you so looking like whoa? So uh? She she's actually at pool side, so you know, we don't know what it's going. I feel like he's getting Kim is sweet. She's okay, my shot ready? Yea, boca biggie, this is you know where this is going? Because a hazard of sunds questions. You gotta put yourself unless he's like does the sunny. But lest you pick somebody, you're not picking two bacca biggie. Right, That's that's cool. What's cool. I'm picking somebody, y'all picking somebody. I'm picking history and science, history and science, science, science, same back of groceries, indoortory or outdoor training? I say winter training. That's outdoor. No. Let me tell you why. When I was training in the winter, I got in the best shape of my life. You know why, because I couldn't. I couldn't stop. If he dies, he dies, because you've got to keep yourself water right, if he dies, he dies, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Your science guy. What's your favorite subject? All right, all right, so here's the crazy ship. Here, here's my engine. Up. Floyd Mayweather or Sugar. I gotta say Floyd in this let me let me say very good and let me tell you I'm wrong on both, because you know Sugary lind is a legend and he's I've watched a couple of fights of him where he's impressed me. So you know when you say which one, science baby, science baby, you already picked me Weather. Yes, I got to take a shot for that. Ready, this one. I'm pretty sure clear what you want to say? Dr Dre Pop daddy, Dr Daddy? How can you put two legends and say to pick one you've been saying just go to narrative. Man, I'm all in, I'm all in. I'm all in another shop to Dre is a legend? Is a legend? Drink so much like the next minute, and let me tell you something, bro slot Brott. One two more questions. Please tell him to tell him tell loyalty or respect? Come on, let's finish that. Finish that first. Already you're talking, you're talking apples, all right, young into the question, man, I already we mean poor drink your shot, just this one I don't believe you. And this is the last one. You acted like an apple right now, give you another one. And this one, I know how he's going to answer this one. This is the very last quick time with slop. Is everybody here knock out all t K that's easy, nut, you know it? Baby? Come on? Got that? Everybody? Come on, man, I asked me another question. Oh no, we're good. We got you guys have a quick time with drink had sports pass. Let's go, Let's go on. I got one. I'm gonna take a week, guys, I got one. I got one, I got one. Yeah, let's go Frank or Kelly? Oh, take it down. I like Frank Kelly. The fact that you know, I knew Frank as Frank for the whole of his life. When he turned into Kelly. It's like, okay, if if this is what you want to do the first yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the first Yeah, I'm not I'm not going to find it. If that's what's if that's gonna if that's Donna stopped very hot. I feel like I'm not to fight at all. The bab like we could go with him. Okay, I want to know what basketball team did you like, don't tell you, tell me Boston. He was, I knew it and I see it. Okay, that's right, that's right. Tell him so Holy Mormon, because this is very like you know, I like Frank, but then I like Kelly after that words. But you were like the first person to have like like a Bosh Jenner and you can't. It wasn't in my camp in a sense. What he did was really realized that this he wasn't happy with himself, so he wanted to be Kelly. I'm saying, if that's what you want to beat Kelly, and it's gonna make you happy, and it's gonna make you it's gonna save your life because if you're thinking about right, right, if you're gonna if you're trying to hurt yourself, and you feel that if you become Kelly, you'll be all right. I'm with it, you know, I don't I don't want people to commit suicide on different things. But the way he communicates with you or or yeah, no, you know, I mean you don't have to be conflicted because you know, Jamaicans are probably though deepest, rudest boom Yo. You hang around with a lot of Jamaicans so you know what's going on, what's going on your body. I realized that some of them come to me and say, you know what every man should live with how they want to live. Yes, some of them. But it's not old. No. No, I believe in that you're talking about. I believe in people should live how they want to live. You want to live like that, that's okay. I'm not fighting against you. I believe that too. I believe what you believe. Yeah, we the world. The world is round. It's not flat, it's not square, it's round. So we we got to open up ourselves and be open to different things. Yeah. So if people have that in their mind, if you want to be a certain way, I'm not fighting against you. That's how you want to live your life. This is your existence. So I'm not against it. Who's on your side? Actually? Yeah, like I said, it doesn't change the communication he had with you from the beginning or no, no, no. So, uh, you know, when I look at Kelly, you know what his choices are and what he wants to do, and the fact that he's doing it. I'm not I'm not fighting against him that he was the first. I'm sure he's not the first especially at that time, and he didn't do it against you. He obviously it was hard for him. All right. Yeah, I mean, if the man wants to do a certain thing, I'm gonna think about it and say, if that's what you want to do it, I'm there, I'm there, I'm like, I'm supporting it. You know, I don't want people to commit suicide. If they want to do commit suicide, live your life and not literally like life. I was gonna say that hasn't been the high life from the documentary where he started as him and then as Kelly, So that shouldn't change the perspective of who he is as a person, right right, right right the old call where it wasn't like it. It's crazy because how they put it in the documentary. I thought they put it perfectly. To that perfectly too, because a lot of us don't understand what's going on, but we respect, Yeah, and that's all we gotta do. Just like you know, it's not fuss to understand to respect everybody in individual choices like that. Respected. You know. There's a little thing going on in in in the world right now. There's this Magan aspect going off with with with what's going on with the world. Magan Marco Marco maker Marco about that. How do you feel about someone? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know she's she has shown that there's different things going on that she had to deal with and how she came out of it. Morgan says, she's alive. Yeah, here's Morgan is a bully. Is a bully in one Segan, you can't shut me down? Fuck you, anybody to do. I don't have actually even must let's say even my partner. You know, I don't give They're gonna let me do what the fun I want doing. In your early years growing up, it's more he did that for you. You couldn't do it for yourself. You say, it's almost over. Man's a profession in your early years growing up in Britain. Would you agree with what she said? Did you feel any of that? But racism? What she said was was her reality and I appreciate the fact that it came out so people can actually talk about it. And I think that talking about is very important because it gets people's views and what she's gone through. Like, for instance, we don't know where she's gone through, but she told us what she's gone through her truth. Yea, her truth, and we have to listen to it. This is the first time that you know, anybody, Yeah, a black woman's being involved in in the can It's not surprising. These are monarchies that are centuries old. Yeah, you're right, Labory or whatever. Everything that's happened in the world. You're right, You're right, it happens. And it's interesting that's brought to the forefront. It's important that it's brought to the forefront because what she's saying, she's saying that she's involved in the family and she felt like yo, she felt that nobody was with her, and she felt that she needed to um tell the people what was happening around her. And so that was happening. That was that was That was good, That was positive. It's it's interesting because it helps us, you know, open up, open up and speak about what's happening. The opening where it's like the memes, the memes where they're like the English family how they see the baby, and then how the English family see the baby? Did you see that? Yeah? I did? Yeah, you know it's reality. You know if she felt that way, and you know, I understand that people will talk about the future and how the future looks. So if they're saying, what color is the baby gonna be? That's positive talk. You don't know Makan how she looks. You wouldn't think she was black, but she's black beautiful. Would that be positive talking? I think it's positive because it's talk. You know, people are interested inquiry. It's absolitive, absolutely right. You know, if somebody says, oh, what color is the baby going to be? It's not positive? Who cares? But that's not positive. It's positive. You know why it say it's positive because it's it's been spoken about. Somebody's saying, I wonder what the color of the baby is going to be? Like, that's not positive, you know, it's it's it's it's an inquiry. It's an inquiry. If a top person has a baby with a small person, is a positive to say are they gonna be sure? No, it's just an inquiry. But that's actually an obvious conversation. But it's a conversation conversation. You're gonna have a baby with my person? Are they going to be dark skinned? That's not positive as an inquiry, you know it's not, but it's a positive. But it's not negative. Depending on what you're asking the question, it's a conversation. Thank you, it's a conversation. Your conversation, and the conversation. If the klansman is saying, what colors the baby? That's negative, it's a conversation why because because it can go both us. Tell him why he asked me to tell him? Why tell him to tell you? Why? Tell me why? If you think it's positive, it's positive. If you think it's negative, I get that that spiritual spirit. I can say if the crisman's asking, he's probably not positive, he's probably he's probably not the same. What the fun we did makes it? You're gonna take a can I take a picture where you study, look, get up, drink ship ship. So this what was done? This was done well before we get out of I do because I want to go back to South Africa real because I went to South Africa. I miss some great people and I want to shot them out real quick because they're gonna be watching this into There was a place called and I don't want to I'm gonna butcher. The name slack Us, which means butcher, butcher or butchery. And it was like they're like their spot where like the rappers Win and and MCS, the top MCS came out of there and I want to just shot them out. Selema rights another m C out there, so shout out to them. Everybody that I met out there in South Africa is amazing. Can what can you tell us about South Africa For the people that haven't been there, I'll tell you what I got out of it, which was insane hearing them talk about apartheid openly in open spaces, with every every race in the in the room. They just talk conversations like we're saying, here's the way I heard it over there. And they're still going through ship like they still have a lot of problems in South Africa, but they talk openly, loud, proud, no matter what they're talking about the past, the present, future, whatever, and and nobody's like blinking an eye of like is a white guy there is this guy in terms of that conversation, that conversation, yes, the way they embrace it, Yes, the way they talk about the conversation. Yes, I would have I would say that's what I got out of out of that trip. And Drain Drain could speak, I don't know King documentary. But damn part though the serious like you gotta think about the party. When did they finish, Like maybe less than thirty four years ago. Part Time is fairly new in terms of like all of our you know, it's it's a current thing that happened in our lifetime. Okay, let me tell you about the part time. I didn't know there was like, uh, you met Nelson. No, no, no, a thing where there's a there's a chart where the black people, the Indian people, the less light people after they were on a chart that what they call colors over there, which that was a new thing that I never understood, and so I got there the days still bro Indian people have to live with Indian people. People have to live where the black people live. Light skin people out the black people are the Africans. Yeah you know what I'm saying, the black of African Let me talk one question still. But I didn't know there was a colored thing. And the colored thing is like if a comb goes through your hair, then you live with her in a place don't go through you. You have to live over there. In the Firth Certificate, we found that out. Yeah, they put cape colored colored means Mulatto for us cape colored. And that means that's your race, that's who you are, that's what you are. You have to live over there, that's how you live. I mean, that's that's your status. Meant this is not only as a comb going to go through my hair, but guess what, I'm everywhere whateverywhere. Listen, bro I wouldn't want to know what kind of shampoo it his shoulder. Man, I can't thank you so much, thank you bro. No, but I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like he still wants. I feel like you want to beat the Clifsico bros. Yeah, beat the ferocious one, not not because the other one was like a doctor, right, the other one was. And then you beat the one that's like you want to fight. When you beat them, what made you even want to take that fight? You? You beat Tyson both of the time. No, Clisco brothers are great. Want to fight Ivando glob Toms. Yeah, No, Clissco They're the next generation. They came after me, so, um, you know they paid their contribution to boxing financial right, Yeah, so, and I appreciate that. I respect them for that. I respect them for that. You could have retired and just walked away, but you wanted to this virus Russians. I've been driving this is fucking I don't want I don't have your number at the time, and my mom texting you don't take this fight. Why are you fighting Ivan Dragon? You beat my typon, just leave it alone. What made you want to do that? Because I had the opportunity of boxing the next generation. Great fucking some some somebody said to me. Somebody said to me said, like, yo, you're the best of this generation. That other generation is right there. You can beat them and then retire. I'm like, you're right, That's what the goal is. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted Hawaiian Guy. It was I wanted to someone I wanted to I wanted to have my generation be the best of my generation and be the best of the next generation coming. So that's why I bought of Clisco. Let me ask your first, there's gonna be super personal. Our Cubans, good boxers, Cubans from the Island, great box It's very important there actually to me. To me, the Cuban boxes are the best boxes in the world. Cubans, I mean the Cubans. Woman, He said, the best listen to the best amateur fighters and right before you hit se look at that. So they they focused, they sacrificed, and they worked and that's what made them the great amateur fighters of today. So what do they need to be beyond amateurs? Well, do you have to leave Cuban fighters don't turn pro because of the politics, right, because they're they're they're Cuban amateurs for life. They're not allowed to turn pro because the Cuban system doesn't allow them to right against the government. Right, the great amateur fighters normal for me are the Haitian asked me, correct, I mean they pushed towards the baseball, the sport that's my father. Well, the ones that they could get out of the country. I used to watch boxing with my father, and I never knew they were like the became about you, nib ever in New York's Cuban never but I know, I get out of the tremendous fighters. But then he just said, now I understand what my property should watch because guess what, they never turned the side of my ship. I'm gonna to signate to But wait, I got a question. I got a question listen, bro I don't have you gotta be gloves. I sunked up. I want to wait about stick a red Come on, come on? Asked me what gloves? I love you? What gloves you loves champion? Yes, they got different like Everlast because obviously Mohammad ali War ever Last, that's mine. By the way, Sonny, don't play yourself. No, no, give it to him to sign. Please, I would appreciate it. No, but before we before we ended to have a have questions for you, please ask me. I want to make sure you had to take care of it. Can you sign that? Please? That sticker? Thank you? Okay, I mean yeah, let us take us away before Sunny tried to option it, honeven, let sign it. I would get another way. I haven't had to have two great questions. Have two great questions you had? No, No, I have two questions. I take it. But I'm gonna get him intem Yeah. Yeah, don't you had him sign your face? Drink Chance Sports. Please, that's a good one, Paul, that's a good one, right, drink Chance Sports. And and my and my name is Paul Value. But wait, the question is this last question? Is it? Please? Please? One more question? Take this opportunity to drink Chance Sports to save this question. You went too far. You know. I'm gonna say you won the Sports Personality of the Year at the same moment Muhammad Ali won Sports Century Sports Sports Century of the Year. How did you feel about that sharing that stage with him? I felt great. I think it was an honor to be alongside with my hero, with the person that actually got me involved in boxing. Everybody. He Yeah, it made me realize that yo, you know, this is a goal and how he actually did his sing, So it was an honor being a part of that. That is excellent. The follow up question would be you were on the song with Talip quality rad dig an exhibit called you did You did? You did an intro to that song hip hop. I had to bring it to a hip hop stop. My stroke West is from Canada. Boom. He made a song about me. A couple of people made a song in history about me, you know, and please I respect everyone that made a song about me because I respect that because a lot of people don't know but you. But you intro that song and I want to show it right here, go on, Ah, this is Lennox Lewis undisputed everywhere, chump, he's getting more collectibles over here off the coast. You got my gloves. Gloves, He's like, are you gonna make an nst. Let's let me tell you something, man. Let's take you gotta finish your ship. Hold on and let's do another shot, and please take the smoke, Champs. Let me let me tell you something, bro, Lennox. This is the first time I've ever interviewed somebody. And when they said you're a gentleman and a scholar, he told you that I was so confused life. In life, you're a gentleman and your scholar and he's example. This is the first time in life interviewed hung out hang out with what a gentleman and a Scott Hold and if you want to know more about me, watch my documentary. This is the Untold Story by Lennox Lewis. Please watch it. You're be inspirated by You know everybody's been watching Mohammad Ali, Mike Tyson, listen to them. Hold so let us take more time, yo, listen, thank you so much, Thanks for having thanks for coming through much and let me tell you something. A drink chance. 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