In  More and More and More, Jean-Baptiste Fressoz shows that the human history of energy is one of accumulation, not substitution.

Here, he talks to reporter Adam Lowenstein about how the "energy transition" frame got so entrenched, why clean-energy innovation is not the same thing as decarbonization; how the fossil fuel industry helped launder pipe dreams of dysfunctional technologies into mainstream climate “solutions”; and much more (and more and more).






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In More and More and More, Jean-Baptiste Fressoz shows that the human history of energy is one of accumulation, not substitution.
Here, he talks to reporter Adam Lowenstein about how the "energy transition" frame got so entrenched, why clean-energy innovation is not the same thing as decarbonization; how the fossil fuel industry helped launder pipe dreams of dysfunctional technologies into mainstream climate “solutions”; and much more (and more and more).
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Drilled is a true-crime climate change podcast exposing how corporate corruption and political operatives built decades of climate denial and delay. Hosted and reported by award-winning investigative climate journalists and led by Amy Westervelt, each season unravels new evidence of deception, disinformation, and the power structures keeping real climate solutions out of reach.

Season 15 coming April 2026.

Drilled is a true-crime climate change podcast exposing how corporate corruption and political operatives built decades of climate denial and delay. Hosted and reported by award-winning investigative climate journalists and led by Amy Westervelt, each season unravels new evidence of deception, disinformation, and the power structures keeping real climate solutions out of reach.
Season 15 coming April 2026.

A true-crime podcast about climate change, hosted and reported by award-winning investigative journalist Amy Westervelt.

Drilled

A "Green Transition"? If Only It Were That Simple

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