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Trevor Botkin: The Forge and Peer Support

Andrew Perez: National Suicide Prevention Effo

Personal Stories of Loss: Mitch and Robert

Reflections and Insights on Suicide Prevention

Trevor Botkin's Personal Journey

The Importance of Community and Support

National Advocacy and Future Steps

Final Thoughts and Takeaways

Conclusion and Call to Action

For many men in the trades, work is more than a job; it’s an identity. But the weight of long hours, money stress, and pressure to “be strong” can become overwhelming, with devastating consequences.

In this raw and deeply human episode, host Buzz Bishop sits down with Trevor Botkin (The FORGE), Andrew Perez (Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention), and two men - Mitch Orton and Rob Saloman - who lost a brother or son who worked in the trades. 

Together, they break the silence around pressure, identity, and the weight of “being the tough guy.”

What unfolds is a conversation about survival, brotherhood, and change. From lived experience to national advocacy, each voice shows that while the crisis is real, so is the possibility of hope.

You’ll come away with:
💡 Why peer-to-peer conversations cut through stigma
💡 Signs to look for when someone you love is struggling
💡 How even one honest conversation can save a life

This is not just about suicide prevention. It’s about building stronger connections, redefining strength, and reminding every man: you are not alone.

If you or a loved one needs support, please call or text 988 to reach Canada’s Suicide Crisis Helpline.

Learn more about the
The FORGE - https://entertheforge.ca/
CASP - https://suicideprevention.ca/



Follow Canadian Men’s Health Foundation
Website - https://menshealthfoundation.ca/
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For many men in the trades, work is more than a job; it&rsquo;s an identity. But the weight of long hours, money stress, and pressure to &ldquo;be strong&rdquo; can become overwhelming, with devastating consequences.
In this raw and deeply human episode, host Buzz Bishop sits down with Trevor Botkin (The FORGE), Andrew Perez (Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention), and two men - Mitch Orton and Rob Saloman - who lost a brother or son who worked in the trades.&nbsp;
Together, they break the silence around pressure, identity, and the weight of &ldquo;being the tough guy.&rdquo;
What unfolds is a conversation about survival, brotherhood, and change. From lived experience to national advocacy, each voice shows that while the crisis is real, so is the possibility of hope.
You&rsquo;ll come away with: 💡 Why peer-to-peer conversations cut through stigma 💡 Signs to look for when someone you love is struggling 💡 How even one honest conversation can save a life
This is not just about suicide prevention. It&rsquo;s about building stronger connections, redefining strength, and reminding every man: you are not alone.
If you or a loved one needs support, please call or text 988 to reach Canada&rsquo;s Suicide Crisis Helpline.
Learn more about the
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">The FORGE -<a href="https://entertheforge.ca/"> https://entertheforge.ca/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">CASP - <a href="https://suicideprevention.ca/">https://suicideprevention.ca/ </a></li>
</ul>
Follow Canadian Men&rsquo;s Health Foundation
<ul>
<li>Website - <a href="https://menshealthfoundation.ca/">https://menshealthfoundation.ca/</a></li>
<li>Instagram - <a href="https://www.instagram.com/menshealthfdn/">https://www.instagram.com/menshealthfdn/</a></li>
<li>Facebook - <a href="https://facebook.com/menshealthfoundation">https://facebook.com/menshealthfoundation</a></li>
</ul>

The Don’t Change Much Podcast is about men’s mental and physical health and conversations that build awareness, educate and provide simple lifestyle tips to help men and their families take action for better well-being. 

Each episode, host Dan Murphy is joined by Canada’s top influencers, world class athletes and subject matter experts who share their lived experiences and insights for better mental and physical health. 

The goal is to have real conversations about the things so many of us don’t prioritize: lowering stress, eating healthier, getting active and the impacts of not taking care of ourselves. 

Don’t Change Much is all about encouraging men to make simple changes that can have a big impact on their health, their families and their communities. Better health doesn’t have to mean a lifestyle overhaul.

Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for informational and educational purposes only. It is not intended to provide diagnosis or be a substitute for professional medical advice from a healthcare practitioner. You should not use the information provided in this podcast for diagnosing or treating a medical or health condition. If you have or suspect you have a medical or health problem, promptly consult your healthcare practitioner. While this podcast is carefully reviewed, the Canadian Men's Health Foundation does not take responsibility or liability for the medical accuracy of the information provided by its host or guests and is not liable for any direct or indirect claim, loss or damage arising from use of this podcast. It is the listeners' responsibility to check the accuracy and relevance of the information.

The Don&rsquo;t Change Much Podcast is about men&rsquo;s mental and physical health and conversations that build awareness, educate and provide simple lifestyle tips to help men and their families take action for better well-being.&nbsp;
Each episode, host Dan Murphy is joined by Canada&rsquo;s top influencers, world class athletes and subject matter experts who share their lived experiences and insights for better mental and physical health.&nbsp;
The goal is to have real conversations about the things so many of us don&rsquo;t prioritize: lowering stress, eating healthier, getting active and the impacts of not taking care of ourselves.&nbsp;
Don&rsquo;t Change Much is all about encouraging men to make simple changes that can have a big impact on their health, their families and their communities. Better health doesn&rsquo;t have to mean a lifestyle overhaul.
Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for informational and educational purposes only. It is not intended to provide diagnosis or be a substitute for professional medical advice from a healthcare practitioner.&nbsp;You should not use the information provided in this podcast for diagnosing or treating a medical or health condition. If you have or suspect you have a medical or health problem, promptly consult your healthcare practitioner. While this podcast is carefully reviewed, the Canadian Men's Health Foundation does not take responsibility or liability for the medical accuracy of the information provided by its host or guests and is not liable for any direct or indirect claim, loss or damage arising from use of this podcast. It is the listeners' responsibility to check the accuracy and relevance of the information.

Don't Change Much

The Don’t Change Much Podcast is about men’s mental and physical health and conversations that build awareness, educate and provide simple lifestyle tips to help men and their families take action for better well-being. 

Each episode, host Dan Murphy is joined by Canada’s top influencers, world class athletes and subject matter experts who share their lived experiences and insights for better mental and physical health. 

The goal is to have real conversations about the things so many of us don’t prioritize: lowering stress, eating healthier, getting active and the impacts of not taking care of ourselves. 

Don’t Change Much is all about encouraging men to make simple changes that can have a big impact on their health, their families and their communities. Better health doesn’t have to mean a lifestyle overhaul.

The Don’t Change Much Podcast premieres June 7, 2022.

The Don&rsquo;t Change Much Podcast is about men&rsquo;s mental and physical health and conversations that build awareness, educate and provide simple lifestyle tips to help men and their families take action for better well-being.&nbsp;
Each episode, host Dan Murphy is joined by Canada&rsquo;s top influencers, world class athletes and subject matter experts who share their lived experiences and insights for better mental and physical health.&nbsp;
The goal is to have real conversations about the things so many of us don&rsquo;t prioritize: lowering stress, eating healthier, getting active and the impacts of not taking care of ourselves.&nbsp;
Don&rsquo;t Change Much is all about encouraging men to make simple changes that can have a big impact on their health, their families and their communities. Better health doesn&rsquo;t have to mean a lifestyle overhaul.
The Don&rsquo;t Change Much Podcast premieres June 7, 2022.

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