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All right, we back up in here another edition of the Done There Have Been That podcast brought to you by the Inflection Entertainment Network in Ilheart Radio.

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I am your host, Mike.

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Hill, and I am a from Salam And thank you guys for being a part of this episode with us. Uh, we're going to talk about navigating loss.

Hill, and I am a from Salam And thank you guys for being a part of this episode with us. Uh, we're going to talk about navigating loss.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll make sure you subscribe as well as we continue to navigate through our journey on the Done There Have Been That podcast. Thank you for hanging out with us through the first couple of episodes. We've had a lot of time. But we're gonna talk about navigating loss, man, because obviously everybody has experienced a loss, whether that's in a relationship, whether that's a job, whether that's a friendship or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll make sure you subscribe as well as we continue to navigate through our journey on the Done There Have Been That podcast. Thank you for hanging out with us through the first couple of episodes. We've had a lot of time. But we're gonna talk about navigating loss, man, because obviously everybody has experienced a loss, whether that's in a relationship, whether that's a job, whether that's a friendship or whatever.

But how do you navigate it?

But how do you navigate it?

I think we've gone through a couple of things and experiences in our lives that we like to pass along some of our maybe our tip to help some.

I think we've gone through a couple of things and experiences in our lives that we like to pass along some of our maybe our tip to help some.

People out there. Yeah, but just to talk about it. You know, what I've learned is you know, during times of loss, if you have the courage to speak about it, speak about how you feel. So many times we say I'm good. So many times we say I'm good man. You hire everything's good. I'm good man. You know, I'm just dealing with something. I'm good And reality, most people aren't good. And so as you try to navigate loss, the thing with losing something, whether it be a relationship like you said, a job or people you love, life keeps going.

People out there. Yeah, but just to talk about it. You know, what I've learned is you know, during times of loss, if you have the courage to speak about it, speak about how you feel. So many times we say I'm good. So many times we say I'm good man. You hire everything's good. I'm good man. You know, I'm just dealing with something. I'm good And reality, most people aren't good. And so as you try to navigate loss, the thing with losing something, whether it be a relationship like you said, a job or people you love, life keeps going.

The world continues to go.

The world continues to go.

So although you may be going through something, still got to go to work, still got to take care of the kids in some situations. They still have to be attentive to your partner. And so how do you navigate all of these things while you're dealing with loss?

So although you may be going through something, still got to go to work, still got to take care of the kids in some situations. They still have to be attentive to your partner. And so how do you navigate all of these things while you're dealing with loss?

And how do you navigate it? How do you go through?

And how do you navigate it? How do you go through?

How do you get through when you find yourself in a position where you've lost something that you thought at that time was important to you or was important to you.

How do you get through when you find yourself in a position where you've lost something that you thought at that time was important to you or was important to you.

So this year has been particularly.

So this year has been particularly.

Difficult for me when it comes to loss. Late last year, my surrogate mother, Valerie Taylor, passed away. My brother Deon Taylor, grew up with him, lived with him. She took me into her house. She passed away, and it was devastating, and you know, we really relied on each other, right, and we would just spend hours, Dione and myself would just spend hours, you know, talking and laughing about the good times. Right Like the one thing Valerie would do, she would cut your ass out in a minute, right like she just bust into the house, just let loose on you. As growing teenage boys, one thing we were always afraid of was her, and that kept us on the straight now, like we could. We couldn't come home smelling like a cigarette. We couldn't come home drunk or not doing her homework like we they was off the table.

Difficult for me when it comes to loss. Late last year, my surrogate mother, Valerie Taylor, passed away. My brother Deon Taylor, grew up with him, lived with him. She took me into her house. She passed away, and it was devastating, and you know, we really relied on each other, right, and we would just spend hours, Dione and myself would just spend hours, you know, talking and laughing about the good times. Right Like the one thing Valerie would do, she would cut your ass out in a minute, right like she just bust into the house, just let loose on you. As growing teenage boys, one thing we were always afraid of was her, and that kept us on the straight now, like we could. We couldn't come home smelling like a cigarette. We couldn't come home drunk or not doing her homework like we they was off the table.

Ain't no more powerful than the black woman boys?

Ain't no more powerful than the black woman boys?

Yeah yeah, a man, please. But what that did was it kept us focused and so losing her was difficult for both of us. It was a lot of you know, crying and all that, but us expressing what she meant to us. She not only parented us, but she opened her house to everybody, anybody that needed.

Yeah yeah, a man, please. But what that did was it kept us focused and so losing her was difficult for both of us. It was a lot of you know, crying and all that, but us expressing what she meant to us. She not only parented us, but she opened her house to everybody, anybody that needed.

A place or stability.

A place or stability.

She was, she was there, and she was she was a she was an angel, and it was difficult man, but having him and and others to share those moments with it, it made it tolerable, right, didn't ease the pain all the way, but it it made it almost comforting to to to share that level of of of compassion and honesty with.

She was, she was there, and she was she was a she was an angel, and it was difficult man, but having him and and others to share those moments with it, it made it tolerable, right, didn't ease the pain all the way, but it it made it almost comforting to to to share that level of of of compassion and honesty with.

With other people.

With other people.

When you remember the legacy of somebody in the lessons that they left behind, it keeps them alive, so to speak, because they continue to live throughout you and throughout your brother, because you can continue to instill that in other people. You pass along the lessons that you learn from her along the way to your children.

When you remember the legacy of somebody in the lessons that they left behind, it keeps them alive, so to speak, because they continue to live throughout you and throughout your brother, because you can continue to instill that in other people. You pass along the lessons that you learn from her along the way to your children.

Absolutely, so the said, we don't do that. Sometimes you got to cut und when they.

Absolutely, so the said, we don't do that. Sometimes you got to cut und when they.

When they get they're thirteen and well, my thirteen year old be almost be cussing at him, he's crazy. Well my ten year old, you know, he's emotional and he's good, but you know can handle it. No, no, no, no, no, no no yet. No, they shouldn't be able to.

When they get they're thirteen and well, my thirteen year old be almost be cussing at him, he's crazy. Well my ten year old, you know, he's emotional and he's good, but you know can handle it. No, no, no, no, no, no no yet. No, they shouldn't be able to.

They shouldn't.

They shouldn't.

And that's why you know, thankfully they got therapy earlier, because we had no therapy.

And that's why you know, thankfully they got therapy earlier, because we had no therapy.

We did not have didn't have therapy, and so and.

We did not have didn't have therapy, and so and.

And speaking of that, because I believe that's a huge part of dealing with loss too, is because like growing up, you as I growing up, we were taught that, you know, first of all, don't cry, you can't. You gotta suppress this pain. You gotta be a man. You got a man up. There was no therapy, there was no way to overcome that grief. You had to cry. A loan you can buy yourself or whatever. Even at a funeral. Man, you're wearing the glasses so people don't see your tears.

And speaking of that, because I believe that's a huge part of dealing with loss too, is because like growing up, you as I growing up, we were taught that, you know, first of all, don't cry, you can't. You gotta suppress this pain. You gotta be a man. You got a man up. There was no therapy, there was no way to overcome that grief. You had to cry. A loan you can buy yourself or whatever. Even at a funeral. Man, you're wearing the glasses so people don't see your tears.

You know what I mean. And that was always difficult.

You know what I mean. And that was always difficult.

So it's good that today's society, when they deal with grief, they are allowed to express themselves. I have a good friend of mine who just lost her daughter. Oh wow, and she couldn't cry for a while. I'm like, girl, just I said, no one should tell you how to grieve.

So it's good that today's society, when they deal with grief, they are allowed to express themselves. I have a good friend of mine who just lost her daughter. Oh wow, and she couldn't cry for a while. I'm like, girl, just I said, no one should tell you how to grieve.

She was going out.

She was going out.

She was like a week later she was hanging out with her friends and people were like, how could you be hanging out? Like I'm telling her, I'm like, you grieve the way you feel like period. Don't worry about what other people have to say about how you express yourself. But you're gonna have moments and maybe for really for the rest of your life. Where forty years from now, there's gonna be a moment that's gonna remind you of your daughter. There's going to be a smell that reminds you of your daughter, and you're just gonna bust out crying.

She was like a week later she was hanging out with her friends and people were like, how could you be hanging out? Like I'm telling her, I'm like, you grieve the way you feel like period. Don't worry about what other people have to say about how you express yourself. But you're gonna have moments and maybe for really for the rest of your life. Where forty years from now, there's gonna be a moment that's gonna remind you of your daughter. There's going to be a smell that reminds you of your daughter, and you're just gonna bust out crying.

And that's okay.

And that's okay.

And people need to realize that, yeah, you know, when you're dealing with things, especially the loss of loved ones. And like I said, this has been a particularly tough year. So Mama Valerie passed away late last year.

And people need to realize that, yeah, you know, when you're dealing with things, especially the loss of loved ones. And like I said, this has been a particularly tough year. So Mama Valerie passed away late last year.

My father passed away in June.

My father passed away in June.

Wow anchor out of cancer, got diagnosed in February, passed away in June. So that was two parenting figures that I lost. And it was I was like, man, this is like it's a lot. Yeah right, it's a lot. It's you start to ask yourself, like.

Wow anchor out of cancer, got diagnosed in February, passed away in June. So that was two parenting figures that I lost. And it was I was like, man, this is like it's a lot. Yeah right, it's a lot. It's you start to ask yourself, like.

You know what's going on? Yea, you know.

You know what's going on? Yea, you know.

And I'm forty eight years old, so you gotta realize, like time is time.

And I'm forty eight years old, so you gotta realize, like time is time.

You can never stop it, you can never get it back.

You can never stop it, you can never get it back.

And my father was eighty two, Valerie was in her seventies. And just to show you how life continues to go and how life keeps life. In two days ago, John Hellman Sr. Another parental figure in my life passed away. I get a call last week on a text Tuesday, my good friend John Hellman. The only reason I'm playing football is because John played football. And I lived with John my eighth grade year and half of my ninth grade year before I moved in with Dion. And his father was a single father who adopted him, and he welcomed me into his home and he missed. He made every single football game like everything. He was there for us. And to get that text, hey, my dad's not doing well, I immediately got on the plane, went up to Sacramento, sat with him in the hospital, and just he called me two days ago and said, hey, man, dad passed away. I just wanted you to know that he loved you. He was proud of you. And so that's three of my parental figures who are now gone. And it was like a truck hit me. Yeah, and that's a lot.

And my father was eighty two, Valerie was in her seventies. And just to show you how life continues to go and how life keeps life. In two days ago, John Hellman Sr. Another parental figure in my life passed away. I get a call last week on a text Tuesday, my good friend John Hellman. The only reason I'm playing football is because John played football. And I lived with John my eighth grade year and half of my ninth grade year before I moved in with Dion. And his father was a single father who adopted him, and he welcomed me into his home and he missed. He made every single football game like everything. He was there for us. And to get that text, hey, my dad's not doing well, I immediately got on the plane, went up to Sacramento, sat with him in the hospital, and just he called me two days ago and said, hey, man, dad passed away. I just wanted you to know that he loved you. He was proud of you. And so that's three of my parental figures who are now gone. And it was like a truck hit me. Yeah, and that's a lot.

In a small amount of it felt like I'm like, Okay, what's next?

In a small amount of it felt like I'm like, Okay, what's next?

What's next? Right? Right?

What's next? Right? Right?

You can't as a human, you can only you can only ask that question because it just keeps coming. I immediately picked up the phone and called my mother and said, hey, I don't know what's going on, but you better hold on to that rope.

You can't as a human, you can only you can only ask that question because it just keeps coming. I immediately picked up the phone and called my mother and said, hey, I don't know what's going on, but you better hold on to that rope.

Yeah you the last one like that.

Yeah you the last one like that.

But once again on that point, it makes you appreciate the people who hear a little bit more.

But once again on that point, it makes you appreciate the people who hear a little bit more.

You start to cling to them.

You start to cling to them.

You start to realize that, hey, like, you can't take it for granted. You have to appreciate your life. You got to do things in your life that you want to do and realize that Tomorrow's not promise for anybody. That's why you got to love up on your neighbors, your friends, your love ones as much as you can. Why you can't man Like, you know, and I'm sympathetic and I'm empathetic for everything that you've gone through. Man, I've told you, bro, like, the last two and a half years my life, man, been the tougher years of my life.

You start to realize that, hey, like, you can't take it for granted. You have to appreciate your life. You got to do things in your life that you want to do and realize that Tomorrow's not promise for anybody. That's why you got to love up on your neighbors, your friends, your love ones as much as you can. Why you can't man Like, you know, and I'm sympathetic and I'm empathetic for everything that you've gone through. Man, I've told you, bro, like, the last two and a half years my life, man, been the tougher years of my life.

You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying.

I'm like, I just turned fifty four years old and the things I've gone through, Man, Like, I thank God. I know it's only by God's grace that I'm still here because had I not experienced a lot of things in my life Earlier in my life when we were talking about helping you through things, the things I've gone through over the last two and a half years would have killed me. It would have killed me. But because of what I've experienced in the past sort of prepared me in a sense or gave me a different skin or a different muscle to help me through it. But I've never experienced everything all at the same time. I've been divorced before, right, but in the last two and a half years, I had another divorce. I've lost love ones, but in the last two and a half years, I've lost four people that were close to meet the death.

I'm like, I just turned fifty four years old and the things I've gone through, Man, Like, I thank God. I know it's only by God's grace that I'm still here because had I not experienced a lot of things in my life Earlier in my life when we were talking about helping you through things, the things I've gone through over the last two and a half years would have killed me. It would have killed me. But because of what I've experienced in the past sort of prepared me in a sense or gave me a different skin or a different muscle to help me through it. But I've never experienced everything all at the same time. I've been divorced before, right, but in the last two and a half years, I had another divorce. I've lost love ones, but in the last two and a half years, I've lost four people that were close to meet the death.

I've lost friends before, but.

I've lost friends before, but.

Recently I've lost a lot of people who are close to me, and all at the same encompassing time.

Recently I've lost a lot of people who are close to me, and all at the same encompassing time.

Man.

Man.

And what I've learned from that is like, God doesn't give you more than you can handle. But sometimes you wonder if God knows how much you candle, man, because it's and you wonder when it's going to end.

And what I've learned from that is like, God doesn't give you more than you can handle. But sometimes you wonder if God knows how much you candle, man, because it's and you wonder when it's going to end.

Man.

Man.

But we are both huge when it comes to therapy and mental health and now being able to express ourselves and being able to let it go and being able to let the tears flow because before I would suppress it.

But we are both huge when it comes to therapy and mental health and now being able to express ourselves and being able to let it go and being able to let the tears flow because before I would suppress it.

Well.

Well.

Yeah, like you talked about your upbringing, right, little boys always taught to suck it up. You don't be crying, don't do that, and don't do this, and so you grow up with that heardened sense of emotion. You don't know how to tap in to that side of your emotions, which makes you an imbalanced person because there is no all vibrato or toughness without sadness, emotion, and fear. And if you don't tap into that, you won't be able to deal with loss in a productive way. And it's funny to try to say deal with loss productively, but they are unproductive ways you can go about loss. Dealing with loss right inflicting pain on yourself or others, and drug use, alcoholism, all of these things to numb the pain instead of living in the pain and dealing with the pain. I don't drink or smoke, never have. So the reality of the situation is I've never been able through anything that I've gone through in my life. I've never been able to go home and take the edge off right right, right, I've never been able to go So what was your outlet?

Yeah, like you talked about your upbringing, right, little boys always taught to suck it up. You don't be crying, don't do that, and don't do this, and so you grow up with that heardened sense of emotion. You don't know how to tap in to that side of your emotions, which makes you an imbalanced person because there is no all vibrato or toughness without sadness, emotion, and fear. And if you don't tap into that, you won't be able to deal with loss in a productive way. And it's funny to try to say deal with loss productively, but they are unproductive ways you can go about loss. Dealing with loss right inflicting pain on yourself or others, and drug use, alcoholism, all of these things to numb the pain instead of living in the pain and dealing with the pain. I don't drink or smoke, never have. So the reality of the situation is I've never been able through anything that I've gone through in my life. I've never been able to go home and take the edge off right right, right, I've never been able to go So what was your outlet?

Then?

Then?

How did you deal with that trauma? Because I'm gonna get to the reason why I did a lot of things. How did you deal with that trump? Because if you don't have that outlet. It is sitting there somewhere and it's going to come out as toxic. Masculinity is going to come out in some kind of ice that you need to release that.

How did you deal with that trauma? Because I'm gonna get to the reason why I did a lot of things. How did you deal with that trump? Because if you don't have that outlet. It is sitting there somewhere and it's going to come out as toxic. Masculinity is going to come out in some kind of ice that you need to release that.

I would internalize it, right, I would run off and I would escape to the movies. So I would go sit in a movie theater by myself and just leave the world behind. That's why film, to me, is so important. That's why I got into film production. That's why I got into television and into entertainment because I know the power of letting go and getting sucked up into something scapism, right like, I know the power of that. So creating those mediums for someone else to be able to sit in and deal it, would just find some peace while they're dealing with things, to me, was very important. That's why I really got into it and telling the types of stories that I know people want to hear and be able to get swept up in so you can find a piece of escapism. The world is tough, man, it's not. I don't care. It doesn't have anything with your socioeconomic background, how much money you make where you were born. Paying is paying. Loss is loss, and we all have our ways to deal with it. And you know, I've watched people self medicate before. I've seen, you know, people have a sip of wine or you know, go to the bar and all of that.

I would internalize it, right, I would run off and I would escape to the movies. So I would go sit in a movie theater by myself and just leave the world behind. That's why film, to me, is so important. That's why I got into film production. That's why I got into television and into entertainment because I know the power of letting go and getting sucked up into something scapism, right like, I know the power of that. So creating those mediums for someone else to be able to sit in and deal it, would just find some peace while they're dealing with things, to me, was very important. That's why I really got into it and telling the types of stories that I know people want to hear and be able to get swept up in so you can find a piece of escapism. The world is tough, man, it's not. I don't care. It doesn't have anything with your socioeconomic background, how much money you make where you were born. Paying is paying. Loss is loss, and we all have our ways to deal with it. And you know, I've watched people self medicate before. I've seen, you know, people have a sip of wine or you know, go to the bar and all of that.

So for me, it was just movies and video games.

So for me, it was just movies and video games.

But I commend you for turning your burden into a blessing because you learned the lesson and you did it in a positive way. And a lot of people don't even see how you can turn something negative into a positive and how your trauma can be something that's positive. And that's that's rare. And this is the first time I've ever heard somebody say it that way. So maybe that isn't out that finds something positive instead of the negative. Because I told you before, and I've said it many times, man, I think people understand that now. It's like, I know part of my pain of why I did a lot of things that I did.

But I commend you for turning your burden into a blessing because you learned the lesson and you did it in a positive way. And a lot of people don't even see how you can turn something negative into a positive and how your trauma can be something that's positive. And that's that's rare. And this is the first time I've ever heard somebody say it that way. So maybe that isn't out that finds something positive instead of the negative. Because I told you before, and I've said it many times, man, I think people understand that now. It's like, I know part of my pain of why I did a lot of things that I did.

And not using this as an excuse.

And not using this as an excuse.

I still take full accountability for everything I've ever done in relationships or whatever. But I know from therapy and talking it through the why of why I was a womanizer because that made me feel good. That was my cocaine, that was my alcohol, That was because I've never abused alcohol, I've never abused cocaine anything like that. But when I was feeling down, depressed, when I was feeling inadequate, I would always turn to a woman because a woman would make.

I still take full accountability for everything I've ever done in relationships or whatever. But I know from therapy and talking it through the why of why I was a womanizer because that made me feel good. That was my cocaine, that was my alcohol, That was because I've never abused alcohol, I've never abused cocaine anything like that. But when I was feeling down, depressed, when I was feeling inadequate, I would always turn to a woman because a woman would make.

Me feel better.

Me feel better.

Not just the sex, but some of the things that a woman would say to you. You're a king, you're beautiful, you're and you hear these things and it's almost like it feeds a different endorphin man and it.

Not just the sex, but some of the things that a woman would say to you. You're a king, you're beautiful, you're and you hear these things and it's almost like it feeds a different endorphin man and it.

Makes you feel better or about yourself.

Makes you feel better or about yourself.

And so I'm not saying that you know, if you're not hearing it at home, that you should go finding other places. But if you're not hearing it at home, if you're not hearing it at home and you're going through this and the person you're with doesn't understand, you start to lean to us.

And so I'm not saying that you know, if you're not hearing it at home, that you should go finding other places. But if you're not hearing it at home, if you're not hearing it at home and you're going through this and the person you're with doesn't understand, you start to lean to us.

That.

That.

Now, what I've learned is I've learned that because I go through therapy, that I have to feed myself even if I'm not being fed by someone else. Loving yourself, overcoming loss, Loving yourself is so much more important than anyone else loving you, because you cannot expect anyone to love you unless.

Now, what I've learned is I've learned that because I go through therapy, that I have to feed myself even if I'm not being fed by someone else. Loving yourself, overcoming loss, Loving yourself is so much more important than anyone else loving you, because you cannot expect anyone to love you unless.

You love yourself.

You love yourself.

You have got to pour into yourself you got to feed yourself. You have got to make yourself happy before anybody else makes you happy, and so you can't supplement that from anything else.

You have got to pour into yourself you got to feed yourself. You have got to make yourself happy before anybody else makes you happy, and so you can't supplement that from anything else.

Even when you're dealing with a loss.

Even when you're dealing with a loss.

And you're absolutely right, and people will ask you, well, how do I make myself happy?

And you're absolutely right, and people will ask you, well, how do I make myself happy?

Right?

Right?

Like, what do I do to make myself happy? And my advice not that I'm a therapist, but I am in therapy. My advice will be fine, the one little thing that you love doing, and I mean the little thing. It could be a crossword puzzle, it could be the smallest thing that for whatever, however long you do it, you just feel safe and focus in on that thing. It could be pouring yourself into others, your family, your significant other, your kids, whatever that is that brings you joy. It's the only way that you can really encompass laws. And I tell you this, everyone's different. Everyone experienced is loss and deals with it in different.

Like, what do I do to make myself happy? And my advice not that I'm a therapist, but I am in therapy. My advice will be fine, the one little thing that you love doing, and I mean the little thing. It could be a crossword puzzle, it could be the smallest thing that for whatever, however long you do it, you just feel safe and focus in on that thing. It could be pouring yourself into others, your family, your significant other, your kids, whatever that is that brings you joy. It's the only way that you can really encompass laws. And I tell you this, everyone's different. Everyone experienced is loss and deals with it in different.

Ways and at different times, and it takes on. But we're human.

Ways and at different times, and it takes on. But we're human.

And the one thing you said that right there, the one thing that we all have in common, it's time. Yes, time is the great equalizer, because no matter how painful something is today, tomorrow is less painful, yep.

And the one thing you said that right there, the one thing that we all have in common, it's time. Yes, time is the great equalizer, because no matter how painful something is today, tomorrow is less painful, yep.

And you may not feel that it's.

And you may not feel that it's.

Less painful, but the day after tomorrow it's less painful.

Less painful, but the day after tomorrow it's less painful.

You may endure weeping for tonight, but joy comes in the morning.

You may endure weeping for tonight, but joy comes in the morning.

You never know, and you never know, but once again, it's like you know you have an opportunity once again, when you lose something or someone, realize that tomorrow is not guaranteed. But if you get that opportunity, use that as the blessing and to a point of switching things around. Going through therapy has also made me realize that not just losing loved ones, but losing job and losing opportunities and things like that. In the last two and a half years, lost a job, you know, had this main job that I was doing making great money, national show, and everything, go to work one day, wake up the next day, wake up the next morning, and the show's bankrupt and you're out of work.

You never know, and you never know, but once again, it's like you know you have an opportunity once again, when you lose something or someone, realize that tomorrow is not guaranteed. But if you get that opportunity, use that as the blessing and to a point of switching things around. Going through therapy has also made me realize that not just losing loved ones, but losing job and losing opportunities and things like that. In the last two and a half years, lost a job, you know, had this main job that I was doing making great money, national show, and everything, go to work one day, wake up the next day, wake up the next morning, and the show's bankrupt and you're out of work.

Gone gone.

Gone gone.

And that was two and a half years ago, and I haven't had anything consistent since then. But I've been hustling and I found my way. But once again, sometimes bro lost and I hate people, hate to see it that way, but sometimes lost is the best thing for you, not the loss of a loved one. Obviously, you hate to see anybody lose a loved one keep their legacy. But when you lose friends, and when you lose opportunities and jobs. And I told you about some of the opportunities. I told you that there was a situation where I heard that somebody was speaking negatively about me for whatever reason because I was on the Housewives show. Cost me a huge opportunity because of that or whatever. All they have to do is say the magic words of this and that. And I wasn't able to get that opportunity. But I was when I was upset at the beginning. I was thinking, I was just like, what if that person did me a favor? Because all opportunities aren't the right opportunities.

And that was two and a half years ago, and I haven't had anything consistent since then. But I've been hustling and I found my way. But once again, sometimes bro lost and I hate people, hate to see it that way, but sometimes lost is the best thing for you, not the loss of a loved one. Obviously, you hate to see anybody lose a loved one keep their legacy. But when you lose friends, and when you lose opportunities and jobs. And I told you about some of the opportunities. I told you that there was a situation where I heard that somebody was speaking negatively about me for whatever reason because I was on the Housewives show. Cost me a huge opportunity because of that or whatever. All they have to do is say the magic words of this and that. And I wasn't able to get that opportunity. But I was when I was upset at the beginning. I was thinking, I was just like, what if that person did me a favor? Because all opportunities aren't the right opportunities.

Oh that's the fact.

Oh that's the fact.

Yeah, all friendships that you have, sometimes you will lose a friend because that friend isn't meant to go with you in the next phase of your life. That friend could have been an anchor, That friend could have dragged you down. That friend may not be ready for you to take that next step in the blessings that you have with the favor that you have in the next step of your life in.

Yeah, all friendships that you have, sometimes you will lose a friend because that friend isn't meant to go with you in the next phase of your life. That friend could have been an anchor, That friend could have dragged you down. That friend may not be ready for you to take that next step in the blessings that you have with the favor that you have in the next step of your life in.

Order for you to get that favor.

Order for you to get that favor.

In order for you to get that next blessing, you had to cut ties with the person that was holding you down.

In order for you to get that next blessing, you had to cut ties with the person that was holding you down.

So sometimes loss is good.

So sometimes loss is good.

Yeah, we don't we don't see what tomorrow holds. We don't know the future.

Yeah, we don't we don't see what tomorrow holds. We don't know the future.

Right.

Right.

If you're spiritual and you believe in God, it's for all part of God's plan, right, It's all been written, right, And so while you're haggling over the whys, start looking for you know, the next step, right, don't wonder why this and why that?

If you're spiritual and you believe in God, it's for all part of God's plan, right, It's all been written, right, And so while you're haggling over the whys, start looking for you know, the next step, right, don't wonder why this and why that?

How about? Now? What? Now?

How about? Now? What? Now?

What?

What?

Okay? Right? How about now? What? All right? I lost that opportunity? So now what? Right? All right? Man?

Okay? Right? How about now? What? All right? I lost that opportunity? So now what? Right? All right? Man?

We fell out. I loved her. We're no longer together. Okay, so now what right? Because there is there is something at the end of the now what There is an answer to that question. There may not be an answer to the why until you get to what's next? Oh yep, now, I see, yep, right, broke up with her. Six months later I ended up meeting the love of my life, my wife, And you don't know, Oh my gosh, happen. I didn't get I didn't get the job, right. I wanted that job, that was my dream job. Six months later. Right, oh my.

We fell out. I loved her. We're no longer together. Okay, so now what right? Because there is there is something at the end of the now what There is an answer to that question. There may not be an answer to the why until you get to what's next? Oh yep, now, I see, yep, right, broke up with her. Six months later I ended up meeting the love of my life, my wife, And you don't know, Oh my gosh, happen. I didn't get I didn't get the job, right. I wanted that job, that was my dream job. Six months later. Right, oh my.

God, story on that go ahead, especially that part right there. When I was in Dallas, got fired in Dallas. Long story, terrible boss whatever.

God, story on that go ahead, especially that part right there. When I was in Dallas, got fired in Dallas. Long story, terrible boss whatever.

Getting fired from a lot of jobs. Man, don't get fired from this one man. We need well, we need this one man's whoever out there, don't fire.

Getting fired from a lot of jobs. Man, don't get fired from this one man. We need well, we need this one man's whoever out there, don't fire.

Him every time.

Him every time.

Every time that I've every time that something's happened, a bigger blessing can. So that's the way. I hope it's the big blessing. This could be blessing whatever. But I got that was the only time I've ever been fired. Other other times been like you know, anyway, let go well that that time I got fired. I was out of work for a year and a half. I had a family, new born child, everything, man, dire straits. I was desperate. Finally couldn't get anything. I was being felt like I was being black ball in the business. Finally some doors started opening up. There was an opportunity in Tampa. That's when I was working in Dallas. Went to Tampa, did the audition. This man tells me, he says, as long as I don't find out you're an axe murderer, it's direct quote.

Every time that I've every time that something's happened, a bigger blessing can. So that's the way. I hope it's the big blessing. This could be blessing whatever. But I got that was the only time I've ever been fired. Other other times been like you know, anyway, let go well that that time I got fired. I was out of work for a year and a half. I had a family, new born child, everything, man, dire straits. I was desperate. Finally couldn't get anything. I was being felt like I was being black ball in the business. Finally some doors started opening up. There was an opportunity in Tampa. That's when I was working in Dallas. Went to Tampa, did the audition. This man tells me, he says, as long as I don't find out you're an axe murderer, it's direct quote.

As long as I don't find out you an axe murderer. This is your job.

As long as I don't find out you an axe murderer. This is your job.

I go next door to take the pist tests. You take the pitch test. You pretty much into and I said, I ain't smoking no week, so I know I'm good. I ain't no ax man, I ain't smoking no week. So I'm gonna get me a job. I'm gonna get back in this business. Been out of a year for a year and a half.

I go next door to take the pist tests. You take the pitch test. You pretty much into and I said, I ain't smoking no week, so I know I'm good. I ain't no ax man, I ain't smoking no week. So I'm gonna get me a job. I'm gonna get back in this business. Been out of a year for a year and a half.

Take that.

Take that.

Don't hear anything for two weeks, Bro, don't hear anything for two weeks. I called back to this producer I met while I was there, Bro, what's going on. I'm like, I just started looking at the houses in the Tampa area everything. I'm just doing the job, doing the job as mind. He said, not gonna bring you in because the guy who fired you in Dallas is talking negatively.

Don't hear anything for two weeks, Bro, don't hear anything for two weeks. I called back to this producer I met while I was there, Bro, what's going on. I'm like, I just started looking at the houses in the Tampa area everything. I'm just doing the job, doing the job as mind. He said, not gonna bring you in because the guy who fired you in Dallas is talking negatively.

Oh yeah right, I'm pissed. Man.

Oh yeah right, I'm pissed. Man.

I'm in my car getting my forward explored at the time. I'm going down to the turnpike in Dallas and I'm about to hurt this dude.

I'm in my car getting my forward explored at the time. I'm going down to the turnpike in Dallas and I'm about to hurt this dude.

I swear to God, I'm about to hurt this dude.

I swear to God, I'm about to hurt this dude.

I'm about to somebody going to jail to night, somebody going I'm dead serious. Bro, this is the maddest I've been in my life.

I'm about to somebody going to jail to night, somebody going I'm dead serious. Bro, this is the maddest I've been in my life.

Man.

Man.

I'm serious, man, because he's now not only did this man fire me, you know, you know, without cause or whatever, unfairly, but now you're messing with my future. And I didn't do anything to my family. And this is my family.

I'm serious, man, because he's now not only did this man fire me, you know, you know, without cause or whatever, unfairly, but now you're messing with my future. And I didn't do anything to my family. And this is my family.

Man. I'm looking at my child. I want to feed my kids. Man. I'm on that turnpike. Man, I'm mad. I'm like, I'm.

Man. I'm looking at my child. I want to feed my kids. Man. I'm on that turnpike. Man, I'm mad. I'm like, I'm.

Going to go to jail tonight because I'm going to hurt this man.

Going to go to jail tonight because I'm going to hurt this man.

I swear to God.

I swear to God.

I don't know what it was, but I was so hot and it had to be like ninety five degrees at night in Dallas. You know how to get some I was so hot the air condition is blowing, man, and nothing would cool me down. So I let my window down. When I let the window down, I swear to God, bro, and I think I get emotion even thinking about this. I swear to God.

I don't know what it was, but I was so hot and it had to be like ninety five degrees at night in Dallas. You know how to get some I was so hot the air condition is blowing, man, and nothing would cool me down. So I let my window down. When I let the window down, I swear to God, bro, and I think I get emotion even thinking about this. I swear to God.

Bruh.

Bruh.

I heard a voice that said, what you're doing. He said, you're about to mess it up. You're about to whoo. He said, You're about to mess it up. And as mad as I was, BRO, just that quickly, man, I calmed down to the comments that have been in my life. Man, I got off the turnpike, turned back around, went home. I prayed, and I said, God, whatever you want me to do is let me know what's going on.

I heard a voice that said, what you're doing. He said, you're about to mess it up. You're about to whoo. He said, You're about to mess it up. And as mad as I was, BRO, just that quickly, man, I calmed down to the comments that have been in my life. Man, I got off the turnpike, turned back around, went home. I prayed, and I said, God, whatever you want me to do is let me know what's going on.

Bro.

Bro.

Three weeks later, Man ESPN called me. Had I gotten a job in Tampa, I would not have been available for ESPN. I didn't really want the job in Tampa. I needed a job in tak I wouldn't have been available for ESPN. Had I gone down there that night and carried that through you wouldn't.

Three weeks later, Man ESPN called me. Had I gotten a job in Tampa, I would not have been available for ESPN. I didn't really want the job in Tampa. I needed a job in tak I wouldn't have been available for ESPN. Had I gone down there that night and carried that through you wouldn't.

I would not be sitting with you right now. My career would have been over.

I would not be sitting with you right now. My career would have been over.

Bro.

Bro.

So imagine had I get so the fact that that man caused me.

So imagine had I get so the fact that that man caused me.

To not get that job in Tampa was a blessing.

To not get that job in Tampa was a blessing.

It was a blessing because had he not said anything, I would have accepted that job in Tampa. I would have been down there doing the job at the last PlayStation and in a market that I really didn't want to be in at that time or whatever, doing something I probably didn't want to do, and I would not have been available to go to ESPN. It wasn't my time. So that No, that loss turned out to be the biggest thing in my life in my career, and without that, I know I wouldn't be saying I wouldn't be in the position I am right now because those four letters.

It was a blessing because had he not said anything, I would have accepted that job in Tampa. I would have been down there doing the job at the last PlayStation and in a market that I really didn't want to be in at that time or whatever, doing something I probably didn't want to do, and I would not have been available to go to ESPN. It wasn't my time. So that No, that loss turned out to be the biggest thing in my life in my career, and without that, I know I wouldn't be saying I wouldn't be in the position I am right now because those four letters.

I met you at ESPN.

I met you at ESPN.

You know what I mean, the things that that platform those nine years, and I could talk about what I went through, the ups and downs there, but I know because of that platform, man, it elevated me to a point to be in the.

You know what I mean, the things that that platform those nine years, and I could talk about what I went through, the ups and downs there, but I know because of that platform, man, it elevated me to a point to be in the.

Position that I am. Put you on a national state, It put me on every day.

Position that I am. Put you on a national state, It put me on every day.

Stay every day, and I got I became a name, I became a name in a sports community that I still have because of that. I had my job at Fox because of ESPN. I married my life as because of ESPN. Everything that I have was because of that network, because of that opportunity, And that opportunity wasn't going to be there had I messed it up, or had that man not been a blessing for me when I thought he.

Stay every day, and I got I became a name, I became a name in a sports community that I still have because of that. I had my job at Fox because of ESPN. I married my life as because of ESPN. Everything that I have was because of that network, because of that opportunity, And that opportunity wasn't going to be there had I messed it up, or had that man not been a blessing for me when I thought he.

Was a burden.

Was a burden.

So you were in the car on your way to get the answer to why I was. I was gonna find out why. You were gonna find out the why something called to you. You went home, you prayed on it, yep, and you prayed for the what now I pray for the What now?

So you were in the car on your way to get the answer to why I was. I was gonna find out why. You were gonna find out the why something called to you. You went home, you prayed on it, yep, and you prayed for the what now I pray for the What now?

I said, what do you want me to do? Just wait?

I said, what do you want me to do? Just wait?

He said, wait, be patient, And three weeks later your life changed. Your family's like, man, my life.

He said, wait, be patient, And three weeks later your life changed. Your family's like, man, my life.

And what's crazy is three weeks later, two weeks later, I got a call from Houston, right saying, we want you to fly in for this job, opportunity whatever. I go down there a week later to audition in Houston. I'm all on the set an audition, do the good audition, get to the airport. When I'm in the airport. While I'm in the airport, my agent caused me. He says, oh, you got the job? Like what Houston already?

And what's crazy is three weeks later, two weeks later, I got a call from Houston, right saying, we want you to fly in for this job, opportunity whatever. I go down there a week later to audition in Houston. I'm all on the set an audition, do the good audition, get to the airport. When I'm in the airport. While I'm in the airport, my agent caused me. He says, oh, you got the job? Like what Houston already?

Like?

Like?

No, it's not Houston, she said, ESPN wants you. I was up for a role with this show called Cold Pizza at the time in New York. I remember that I had auditioned at ESPN before whatever. Right, didn't hear anything from it. As a matter of fact, I heard from ESPN they said I didn't get the job. Guy named Daryknoko was a good friend of mine, love him to death. He got the job over me, right, and I guess I.

No, it's not Houston, she said, ESPN wants you. I was up for a role with this show called Cold Pizza at the time in New York. I remember that I had auditioned at ESPN before whatever. Right, didn't hear anything from it. As a matter of fact, I heard from ESPN they said I didn't get the job. Guy named Daryknoko was a good friend of mine, love him to death. He got the job over me, right, and I guess I.

Finished the second or whatever.

Finished the second or whatever.

And so they said we want to fly you in to you know, look at co for cold pizza and all that type of stuff like that.

And so they said we want to fly you in to you know, look at co for cold pizza and all that type of stuff like that.

Right cool.

Right cool.

I was thinking about that while I'm in Houston once again. Get the job of the air get the phone call the airport from my agent. My agent says, Mike, you got the job.

I was thinking about that while I'm in Houston once again. Get the job of the air get the phone call the airport from my agent. My agent says, Mike, you got the job.

I'm like what she said. No, she said, ESPN wants to fly you in. She wants ESPN wants to hire you. Might what.

I'm like what she said. No, she said, ESPN wants to fly you in. She wants ESPN wants to hire you. Might what.

So I went from almost getting a job in Tampa not getting a job in Tampa, Houston opportunity comes along, thinking that's Houston. All these doors started opening up. Oh also Fox Sports, Fox Sports Southwest, a regional wanted to hire me. So all these doors opened up because that door closed in Tampa, because the door closed basically in Dallas a year because I would have been in content in Dallas with that guy, and the guy that he hired after me lasted was down there for seventeen years before the other guy retired.

So I went from almost getting a job in Tampa not getting a job in Tampa, Houston opportunity comes along, thinking that's Houston. All these doors started opening up. Oh also Fox Sports, Fox Sports Southwest, a regional wanted to hire me. So all these doors opened up because that door closed in Tampa, because the door closed basically in Dallas a year because I would have been in content in Dallas with that guy, and the guy that he hired after me lasted was down there for seventeen years before the other guy retired.

He's just now the main guy.

He's just now the main guy.

But I'm telling you, man, sometimes the biggest losses in your life trying out to be the biggest gains.

But I'm telling you, man, sometimes the biggest losses in your life trying out to be the biggest gains.

And to that point, relationship wise, I think I was in six year in the league, going into my sixth year, and I had really loved this girl I had met in college. We were on again, off again. She stepped out, you know, I was off playing. She was living her life. You mean stepped out? What you mean like, no, no, she was. We weren't together, okay, okay, okay. She went had a baby and not yours. No no, no, no no, not mine, and you know, didn't work out with her baby's father at the time and all of that, and so we started connecting again and she was really depressed and all of that. I'm like, look, man, it's all good. We just you know, this off season, we'll come hang out. I said, pick anywhere you want to go, just so we can get away and whatever. And she said, I've never been to Jamaica. So we go to Jamaica, had a wonderful time. Right, we come back home and I was in I was like, look, whatever it is you want to do, I'm down, all right. She was like, all right, I just need some time, take some time, and said all right. Boom. And so about a month and a half, two months later, she calls me and was like, hey, I need to tell you something.

And to that point, relationship wise, I think I was in six year in the league, going into my sixth year, and I had really loved this girl I had met in college. We were on again, off again. She stepped out, you know, I was off playing. She was living her life. You mean stepped out? What you mean like, no, no, she was. We weren't together, okay, okay, okay. She went had a baby and not yours. No no, no, no no, not mine, and you know, didn't work out with her baby's father at the time and all of that, and so we started connecting again and she was really depressed and all of that. I'm like, look, man, it's all good. We just you know, this off season, we'll come hang out. I said, pick anywhere you want to go, just so we can get away and whatever. And she said, I've never been to Jamaica. So we go to Jamaica, had a wonderful time. Right, we come back home and I was in I was like, look, whatever it is you want to do, I'm down, all right. She was like, all right, I just need some time, take some time, and said all right. Boom. And so about a month and a half, two months later, she calls me and was like, hey, I need to tell you something.

I said, Okay, what's up?

I said, Okay, what's up?

She was like, I'm getting back with my son's father and we're gonna get married.

She was like, I'm getting back with my son's father and we're gonna get married.

Wow.

Wow.

And I said okay. I said, look, I I'm here. We were friends before we were anything. Whatever you need, let me know, I wish you the best. Two months later, I'm in La at the BT Awards and I'm staying at the mandri on and I'm looking out off the balcony and they're setting up for a big party down there.

And I said okay. I said, look, I I'm here. We were friends before we were anything. Whatever you need, let me know, I wish you the best. Two months later, I'm in La at the BT Awards and I'm staying at the mandri on and I'm looking out off the balcony and they're setting up for a big party down there.

So I go down. I'm like, what's going on, man, what's popping?

So I go down. I'm like, what's going on, man, what's popping?

And they're like, Beyonce is having an album release party right.

And they're like, Beyonce is having an album release party right.

This was June twenty twenty three, twenty two thousand two, Yeah, two thousand and three, twenty three, And so I'm like, all right, cool, boom, we're there. I'm at the party.

This was June twenty twenty three, twenty two thousand two, Yeah, two thousand and three, twenty three, And so I'm like, all right, cool, boom, we're there. I'm at the party.

We down there, everybody there, boom boom, boom boom, And this young lady is over where I'm here I am. And we started talking and hitting it off, and twenty one years later, we've been married for eighteen of them.

We down there, everybody there, boom boom, boom boom, And this young lady is over where I'm here I am. And we started talking and hitting it off, and twenty one years later, we've been married for eighteen of them.

Had you been with the other girl in that situation, had she not taken herself out of the equation and gotten back at the time, been available, Because I know you're one woman.

Had you been with the other girl in that situation, had she not taken herself out of the equation and gotten back at the time, been available, Because I know you're one woman.

I don't.

I don't.

I'm good man, I just wonder. I just want to be in love. I just want to love on somebody, had him love on me back.

I'm good man, I just wonder. I just want to be in love. I just want to love on somebody, had him love on me back.

Yeah, that's it. I don't have enough time and energy for all of that.

Yeah, that's it. I don't have enough time and energy for all of that.

But if I'm stuck on the well, why she don't want me? Or why she going back with him? Obviously, and they're still together, they're still married, they have more kids, so that was.

But if I'm stuck on the well, why she don't want me? Or why she going back with him? Obviously, and they're still together, they're still married, they have more kids, so that was.

Perfect for her.

Perfect for her.

But for me, instead of the why, I'm like, Okay, well, well now, and I end up meeting the love of my life, my wife, the mother of my two beautiful sons, and we've been together for twenty one years and it started that night. Had I been in a relationship, I wouldn't have been open and to meeting the person I was supposed to be with.

But for me, instead of the why, I'm like, Okay, well, well now, and I end up meeting the love of my life, my wife, the mother of my two beautiful sons, and we've been together for twenty one years and it started that night. Had I been in a relationship, I wouldn't have been open and to meeting the person I was supposed to be with.

Bro and you and you guys really truly love each other. I mean you're my favorite couple in the world. I mean, like you're the epitome of what a family is and should be.

Bro and you and you guys really truly love each other. I mean you're my favorite couple in the world. I mean, like you're the epitome of what a family is and should be.

I'm trying game. I mean I did twenty two.

I'm trying game. I mean I did twenty two.

I mean that was three different ones, you know what I mean, you got dis whatever. I don't have that happily ever yet, but maybe one day, man. So number one, Thank you for sharing. Thank you all right, and you got emotional, but that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be emotional. Emotions have to go some much shame and doing that, bro.

I mean that was three different ones, you know what I mean, you got dis whatever. I don't have that happily ever yet, but maybe one day, man. So number one, Thank you for sharing. Thank you all right, and you got emotional, but that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be emotional. Emotions have to go some much shame and doing that, bro.

And you know, one of the biggest takeaways from from what you said to me was.

And you know, one of the biggest takeaways from from what you said to me was.

Timing. Mm hmm. Right.

Timing. Mm hmm. Right.

Things happen in our lives. We don't understand the time of what right. We talked about the wise and the what now is in the right. Most people don't have the self control that you showed the car on the turnpipe going to do something this way out of your character because you felt that you were put in that position. And just hearing that and hearing you take a moment turn the car around resonates Because.

Things happen in our lives. We don't understand the time of what right. We talked about the wise and the what now is in the right. Most people don't have the self control that you showed the car on the turnpipe going to do something this way out of your character because you felt that you were put in that position. And just hearing that and hearing you take a moment turn the car around resonates Because.

My father used to say this.

My father used to say this.

My father worked in the prison system for twenty six years, some of the toughest prisons in the world.

My father worked in the prison system for twenty six years, some of the toughest prisons in the world.

He said, ninety seconds. What does that mean?

He said, ninety seconds. What does that mean?

He said, I'm in a building with men who changed their whole lives in ninety seconds. A ninety second decision can ruin your life or it can enhance your life. And just listening to that story, I'm like, Wow, that's a ninety second moment.

He said, I'm in a building with men who changed their whole lives in ninety seconds. A ninety second decision can ruin your life or it can enhance your life. And just listening to that story, I'm like, Wow, that's a ninety second moment.

Yeah, well, I'm glad that God intervened. And once again it's divine intervention there, man, because once again you're right. Making the wrong decision could have totally gone the opposite direction for me.

Yeah, well, I'm glad that God intervened. And once again it's divine intervention there, man, because once again you're right. Making the wrong decision could have totally gone the opposite direction for me.

Man.

Man.

And I appreciate you sharing what you share with me because I've heard the story about you.

And I appreciate you sharing what you share with me because I've heard the story about you.

Being at the Mondreon Mandren and the Beyonce.

Being at the Mondreon Mandren and the Beyonce.

I didn't know the prior to that, and you've helped me just listening to you talking about dealing with lost. Now you know what I mean, because, like I said, everything that I'm going through as far as like professionally trying to figure.

I didn't know the prior to that, and you've helped me just listening to you talking about dealing with lost. Now you know what I mean, because, like I said, everything that I'm going through as far as like professionally trying to figure.

Out Man, I've been thinking what now?

Out Man, I've been thinking what now?

But now I know because of what I've lost, because of what I lost isn't because.

But now I know because of what I've lost, because of what I lost isn't because.

I'm being punished.

I'm being punished.

It means that what now is going to happen for me and what I'm about to gain. And I pray that professionally I gain my reniese. You know what I mean, your wife, I pray that because of what I lost and not dwelling on it, because I really haven't dwelled on it. I've been you know, God taking care of me whatever, and I've been able to take care of myself and still hustle whatever, But now I know what's coming next is the equivalent professionally to your renaese. Yeah, and that's the happily ever after that I'm looking for professionally, And that's all you can ask That's all you can ask for. Man, Look, we don't know the grand design of each and of each other's lives, or not even our own lives.

It means that what now is going to happen for me and what I'm about to gain. And I pray that professionally I gain my reniese. You know what I mean, your wife, I pray that because of what I lost and not dwelling on it, because I really haven't dwelled on it. I've been you know, God taking care of me whatever, and I've been able to take care of myself and still hustle whatever, But now I know what's coming next is the equivalent professionally to your renaese. Yeah, and that's the happily ever after that I'm looking for professionally, And that's all you can ask That's all you can ask for. Man, Look, we don't know the grand design of each and of each other's lives, or not even our own lives.

But what we can do is is take time, breathe, share. Yeah, be open about loss, be open about dealing with loss. Right, whether it's someone in your life that you know that you can talk talk to, there are plenty of outlets out there for you to find help, to find someone to help you deal with it, because look, it's one thing we all know as humans.

But what we can do is is take time, breathe, share. Yeah, be open about loss, be open about dealing with loss. Right, whether it's someone in your life that you know that you can talk talk to, there are plenty of outlets out there for you to find help, to find someone to help you deal with it, because look, it's one thing we all know as humans.

Pain is pain.

Pain is pain.

Whether you lose a job, a loved one, a relationship, it all hurts, right, and my pain isn't any different than your pain, right, There are different degrees with different people, but just know, right, you're not alone, not alone. You're not alone. I'm telling you you're not alone, even if you feel alone. And so I'm excited that we got a chance to do this episode just you and I and talk about this because when we set out on this journey. It was always important for us to be open and candid about the things that we've gone through and hopes that it would help. Yep, any anybody watching or listening. And you know the name of the podcast is done There, Been that, yep. And we just shared serious moments of us done there and Ben that.

Whether you lose a job, a loved one, a relationship, it all hurts, right, and my pain isn't any different than your pain, right, There are different degrees with different people, but just know, right, you're not alone, not alone. You're not alone. I'm telling you you're not alone, even if you feel alone. And so I'm excited that we got a chance to do this episode just you and I and talk about this because when we set out on this journey. It was always important for us to be open and candid about the things that we've gone through and hopes that it would help. Yep, any anybody watching or listening. And you know the name of the podcast is done There, Been that, yep. And we just shared serious moments of us done there and Ben that.

Yeah, genuine, authentic, real transparent.

Yeah, genuine, authentic, real transparent.

And this is the reason why I wanted to do it and do it with you, because I knew you'd be open about that and I'm happy that we can and I want people out there to understand that once again, you're not alone.

And this is the reason why I wanted to do it and do it with you, because I knew you'd be open about that and I'm happy that we can and I want people out there to understand that once again, you're not alone.

You got to find your tribe.

You got to find your tribe.

You got to find your safe space of somebody that you can talk to. And if you feel like you can't talk to somebody, man, there's a higher spirit. If you're spiritual, you cannot find that person, but express it in some kind of way in a positive manner.

You got to find your safe space of somebody that you can talk to. And if you feel like you can't talk to somebody, man, there's a higher spirit. If you're spiritual, you cannot find that person, but express it in some kind of way in a positive manner.

That's one thing that we also learned.

That's one thing that we also learned.

A positive outlet for you to express yourself and get it out, whether it's pain, whether it's anger, whether it's sadness, whatever you feel.

A positive outlet for you to express yourself and get it out, whether it's pain, whether it's anger, whether it's sadness, whatever you feel.

You know, I heard.

You know, I heard.

Ludacris say take an x X and let that shit go. You gotta let that shit. You got to let it go. So we're happy that you joined us for this. We will continue to have these type of conversations throughout each and every week. On the Done there have been that podcast. Man, it's just an exceptional thing. I love you, my brother, my God. I love you too, brother, and I'm always here for you, and I appreciate you always being there for us, and we appreciate you being there for us as well. On the Done there have been that podcast. Make sure you subscribe to each and every one of our episodes that come out, get the notifications so when it comes out, so they don't miss one episode of this podcast that we're putting on for you till next week.

Ludacris say take an x X and let that shit go. You gotta let that shit. You got to let it go. So we're happy that you joined us for this. We will continue to have these type of conversations throughout each and every week. On the Done there have been that podcast. Man, it's just an exceptional thing. I love you, my brother, my God. I love you too, brother, and I'm always here for you, and I appreciate you always being there for us, and we appreciate you being there for us as well. On the Done there have been that podcast. Make sure you subscribe to each and every one of our episodes that come out, get the notifications so when it comes out, so they don't miss one episode of this podcast that we're putting on for you till next week.

See Mike Keil, I'm from Salam. We'll see you next week.

See Mike Keil, I'm from Salam. We'll see you next week.