Big business says wants a more productive economy, but its complaints about industrial relations are really about its profit margins, says Matt Grudnoff.

On this episode of Dollars & Sense, Australia Institute Senior Economist Matt Grudnoff and Research Fellow Adam Gottschalk discuss the spin around productivity and why paying workers more – not less – might hold the key to a more productive economy.

Join President José Ramos-Horta at 6pm AEDT, Tuesday 8 October for an evening of conversation at the Sydney Opera House, presented by the Australia Institute as part of its 30 Years of Big Ideas.

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Host: Matt Grudnoff, Senior Economist, the Australia Institute // @MattGrudnoff

Host: Adam Gottschalk, Anne Kantor Research Fellow, the Australia Institute // @adamchalksitup

Theme music: Blue Dot Sessions

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