In part 2 of The Other Side’s interview with former Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman, he talks about why he opposes calls to defund police departments, and why he remains optimistic about the country’s future despite recent tumultuous times.

Coleman reminisces about seeing Dr. Martin Luther King in person, at a rally in Toledo when Coleman was growing up. Coleman also shares personal experiences with racism he faced even as mayor, including when a police officer refused to shake his hand. And he talks about whether he misses being the leader of Ohio’s largest city.

• Listen to Pt.1: Former Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman on protests, police and racism