Donald Trump called all Never Trump Republicans "human scum" this week, and Jim and Eliza note how all the people who affiliate with Trump end up getting closer to that description themselves. From Rudy Giuliani to congressional Republicans, anyone who gets close to this president is sullied by the experience. Eliza and Jim discuss how far party loyalty ought to go, and why a post-Trump GOP should be listening more to Pierre Delecto than Donald Trump. 

Plus: Bill Gates's worm toilets!

<p>Donald Trump called all Never Trump Republicans "human scum" this week, and Jim and Eliza note how all the people who affiliate with Trump end up getting closer to that description themselves. From Rudy Giuliani to congressional Republicans, anyone who gets close to this president is sullied by the experience. Eliza and Jim discuss how far party loyalty ought to go, and why a post-Trump GOP should be listening more to Pierre Delecto than Donald Trump. <br><br>Plus: Bill Gates's worm toilets!</p>

The Bennett family has been at the heart of Utah politics for over half a century. So what happens when they talk about the issues of the day around the dinner table? Join Jim, the dad, and Abby, the daughter for a free- wheeling political discussion with an intergenerational perspective. 

College student Abby is a political independent, while her father Jim is a former Republican who became the first candidate of the new United Utah Party in 2017, running for Congress and garnering over 14,000 votes.  Jim's father, Bob Bennett, served as a GOP senator from Utah for eighteen years after being unceremoniously ousted by the Tea Party.  Bob was well-respected and, toward the end of his life, co-created the Utah Debate Commission, facilitating public discourse between leading candidates. Jim was the first non-Republican/non-Democrat to participate in a UDC debate. Abby may well be the next.

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