Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it.

Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it.

Now, release slowly again deep in, helle hold release, repeating internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply deep Well. I I am deeply well. I am deeply I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on your journey.

Now, release slowly again deep in, helle hold release, repeating internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply deep Well. I I am deeply well. I am deeply I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on your journey.

A podcast for those.

A podcast for those.

That are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care. This is where we heal, this is where we transcend.

That are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care. This is where we heal, this is where we transcend.

Welcome back to the Deeply Well Podcast.

Welcome back to the Deeply Well Podcast.

I am your host, Debbie Brown, and I am so grateful.

I am your host, Debbie Brown, and I am so grateful.

And glad to have you all here with me today.

And glad to have you all here with me today.

This month, we have been diving into the topic of looking within and discovering new rituals and practices that can help us feel more grounded and connected, both within ourselves and the world around us. This is always important work, but more than ever at this time of being alive, with all of the things happening around us, all of the ways our consciousness is being stretched and has been really stretched and transformed, especially over the last five years. Doing this kind of work this month is an opportunity to go deeper into the ways that you can show up for yourself so that all the ways that you can bring light on the planet are supported and nourished, and you can have vibrant mental, spiritual, emotional, and ideally.

This month, we have been diving into the topic of looking within and discovering new rituals and practices that can help us feel more grounded and connected, both within ourselves and the world around us. This is always important work, but more than ever at this time of being alive, with all of the things happening around us, all of the ways our consciousness is being stretched and has been really stretched and transformed, especially over the last five years. Doing this kind of work this month is an opportunity to go deeper into the ways that you can show up for yourself so that all the ways that you can bring light on the planet are supported and nourished, and you can have vibrant mental, spiritual, emotional, and ideally.

Physical health as well.

Physical health as well.

So we've been diving into all of that, and that is why I am beyond.

So we've been diving into all of that, and that is why I am beyond.

Excited for today's episode.

Excited for today's episode.

I could not think of a better being to get into the fibers of this conversation than the person I have here today.

I could not think of a better being to get into the fibers of this conversation than the person I have here today.

One of the.

One of the.

Most incredible healers I have ever had a chance to cross path with, and one of my favorite favorite teachers and dear friends, David Elliott, is joining us today. Our guest today was born and raised on a farm in Kentucky. David graduated from the University of Kentucky with an MBA degree. He then ventured to Los Angeles and began acting in films, television shows, and commercials throughout the nineteen eighties. After meeting with a mystic healer, Tim Heath, Elliott connected the dots of many chances with strangers, people claiming that they had been sent to him for healing by their guru in India or their psychic in New York. With the help of Tim, David learned to recognize his unique ability to feel, move, and shift stuck energy. The healing work soon became his passion and the reluctant phase of his life dissipated. By nineteen ninety seven, his acting career had successfully transitioned into a full time career working as a healing artist. As David recalls, the universe obviously had a plan for me, so I decided to get out of the way and do the healing work. David has had a successful healing practice for the past twenty five years, as well as an active practice in many US cities and Europe. He has trained healers from around the world and the demand for his teaching and healing work is growing. In recent years, David has begun teaching teachers so he can have more support and get.

Most incredible healers I have ever had a chance to cross path with, and one of my favorite favorite teachers and dear friends, David Elliott, is joining us today. Our guest today was born and raised on a farm in Kentucky. David graduated from the University of Kentucky with an MBA degree. He then ventured to Los Angeles and began acting in films, television shows, and commercials throughout the nineteen eighties. After meeting with a mystic healer, Tim Heath, Elliott connected the dots of many chances with strangers, people claiming that they had been sent to him for healing by their guru in India or their psychic in New York. With the help of Tim, David learned to recognize his unique ability to feel, move, and shift stuck energy. The healing work soon became his passion and the reluctant phase of his life dissipated. By nineteen ninety seven, his acting career had successfully transitioned into a full time career working as a healing artist. As David recalls, the universe obviously had a plan for me, so I decided to get out of the way and do the healing work. David has had a successful healing practice for the past twenty five years, as well as an active practice in many US cities and Europe. He has trained healers from around the world and the demand for his teaching and healing work is growing. In recent years, David has begun teaching teachers so he can have more support and get.

Into a much needed vacation.

Into a much needed vacation.

The Creative Healing Arts Center is his vision for the future and his way of giving back to the Mother Earth and all of the beneficial energies that have been supporting him in his healing journey. Creative expression is a shortcut David is used and helping people.

The Creative Healing Arts Center is his vision for the future and his way of giving back to the Mother Earth and all of the beneficial energies that have been supporting him in his healing journey. Creative expression is a shortcut David is used and helping people.

Heal, and it will play a big role.

Heal, and it will play a big role.

In this center, as artists will be giving opportunities to help tell their story about how we have to take care of Mother Earth literally as our most important family member. We are so so honored to have him on the show to share his insights and guide us towards self love and healing.

In this center, as artists will be giving opportunities to help tell their story about how we have to take care of Mother Earth literally as our most important family member. We are so so honored to have him on the show to share his insights and guide us towards self love and healing.

David, welcome.

David, welcome.

I'm happy to be here. Thank you.

I'm happy to be here. Thank you.

Did that feel so cringey hearing your whole life read to you?

Did that feel so cringey hearing your whole life read to you?

Yeah?

Yeah?

It's not too bad, Yeah, yeah ah. I am so excited to have you on the show.

It's not too bad, Yeah, yeah ah. I am so excited to have you on the show.

I also have two of your books here that I'm obsessed with, and we're going to link to these in bio.

I also have two of your books here that I'm obsessed with, and we're going to link to these in bio.

I've read and loved them both.

I've read and loved them both.

The first was Reluctant Healer by You, which is an incredible book about your life and also like fundamental beginning to be in a healer and all the practices and all the ways that you'll need to support yourself and create your spaces. And then his second book, Healing, is an incredible read as well. So I love these and these will be linked in bio. This episode is absolutely for everyone, but especially I think if you identify as someone who has come onto the planet to help it, if you're somebody who lives in service and has a desire to one help yourself, but you're helping yourself to help others, to help the planet.

The first was Reluctant Healer by You, which is an incredible book about your life and also like fundamental beginning to be in a healer and all the practices and all the ways that you'll need to support yourself and create your spaces. And then his second book, Healing, is an incredible read as well. So I love these and these will be linked in bio. This episode is absolutely for everyone, but especially I think if you identify as someone who has come onto the planet to help it, if you're somebody who lives in service and has a desire to one help yourself, but you're helping yourself to help others, to help the planet.

And I'm really excited for this episode, David.

And I'm really excited for this episode, David.

Because this last month we spent four episodes exploring integrity and all the different facets that integrity can be in our lives and our spirit and the world and the work that we do. And I thought it was so important to ground this season in that because it's so fundamental, but it's something I don't here spoken to or taught. And in this day and age, if you don't have a direct teacher or someone that you can spend slow time with becoming yourself and learning, it's not necessarily going to be imparted on you. Like lately, everything is about core structures and I'm a tenx this and making this much and I teach people how to teach people, how to teach people, how to teach people how to take money, you know. And this month what we're exploring is supportive tools and practices and processes to really build and fortify the endurance to heal yourself and to be a light in the rest of the world. And so I'll start with how we first got connected.

Because this last month we spent four episodes exploring integrity and all the different facets that integrity can be in our lives and our spirit and the world and the work that we do. And I thought it was so important to ground this season in that because it's so fundamental, but it's something I don't here spoken to or taught. And in this day and age, if you don't have a direct teacher or someone that you can spend slow time with becoming yourself and learning, it's not necessarily going to be imparted on you. Like lately, everything is about core structures and I'm a tenx this and making this much and I teach people how to teach people, how to teach people, how to teach people how to take money, you know. And this month what we're exploring is supportive tools and practices and processes to really build and fortify the endurance to heal yourself and to be a light in the rest of the world. And so I'll start with how we first got connected.

Oh I do remember, I think forget which one if one of the will.

Oh I do remember, I think forget which one if one of the will.

Is Oh, my god, Scout, Scout, Scout.

Is Oh, my god, Scout, Scout, Scout.

Yes, my beloved Scout, My beloved Scout willis Yes.

Yes, my beloved Scout, My beloved Scout willis Yes.

Oh.

Oh.

One of my dear friends. She and I had a few years back, had been studying together in the same in a similar in the same program, and I remember she, you know, we were talking about so much of our stuff and we're working through so many things, and I remember she told me about you, and she was.

One of my dear friends. She and I had a few years back, had been studying together in the same in a similar in the same program, and I remember she, you know, we were talking about so much of our stuff and we're working through so many things, and I remember she told me about you, and she was.

Just like, go.

Just like, go.

It was so mystical the way she said it, right like it was just very much like you must.

It was so mystical the way she said it, right like it was just very much like you must.

Go, you know, And I was like, oh my god.

Go, you know, And I was like, oh my god.

Yes.

Yes.

And so I remember I went to visit you and I did a healing session with you. And as you know, we don't have to get into this. I got a certain kind of brain. I'm like, I'm a certain kind of person. I can be a little intense, I have a lot of questions, I have a lot to say. And remember I spent a few hours with you, and I'll never forget how it felt doing that first session with you. And obviously now I've had the chance to experience your work many many, many, many many times gratefully. But this first session, it felt like I was able to integrate every single thing that I had been excruciatingly working on within myself. And when I came to you, I realized that I was ready for the next stage of my journey in my life because it all went and assimilate it within me. And I remember we were doing breath work and we were in the healing session, and I had this like literal feeling of being into masculine and feminine and it was kind of like blue and pink, and having this experience of it uniting and harmon and becoming like two halves into a hole. And I had this feeling of energy literally like rushing into the soles of my feet and freeing me in a different way than I had ever felt before. And as someone who is a healer and is trained in the modalities of healing, I do there really is nothing more sacred than having the power of someone else's healing kind of cover you and kind of being in awe that you know. And I remember just feeling being there and not only feeling reverence for the way that it allowed me to feel within myself as my being in this lifetime and the things that I've been through in this life, but just also how incredible and powerful it is to be in awe of someone that has achieved so much in the work God called them to do.

And so I remember I went to visit you and I did a healing session with you. And as you know, we don't have to get into this. I got a certain kind of brain. I'm like, I'm a certain kind of person. I can be a little intense, I have a lot of questions, I have a lot to say. And remember I spent a few hours with you, and I'll never forget how it felt doing that first session with you. And obviously now I've had the chance to experience your work many many, many, many many times gratefully. But this first session, it felt like I was able to integrate every single thing that I had been excruciatingly working on within myself. And when I came to you, I realized that I was ready for the next stage of my journey in my life because it all went and assimilate it within me. And I remember we were doing breath work and we were in the healing session, and I had this like literal feeling of being into masculine and feminine and it was kind of like blue and pink, and having this experience of it uniting and harmon and becoming like two halves into a hole. And I had this feeling of energy literally like rushing into the soles of my feet and freeing me in a different way than I had ever felt before. And as someone who is a healer and is trained in the modalities of healing, I do there really is nothing more sacred than having the power of someone else's healing kind of cover you and kind of being in awe that you know. And I remember just feeling being there and not only feeling reverence for the way that it allowed me to feel within myself as my being in this lifetime and the things that I've been through in this life, but just also how incredible and powerful it is to be in awe of someone that has achieved so much in the work God called them to do.

Well. I don't know if I'd go that far, but I mean the way I look at it, and I remember our first couple of sessions talking about some of the ways you had been working in me trying to impart and why I love breath work is that I don't feel like I'm doing anything. I'm holding the space and really kind of letting a person's spirit hold the agenda for the healing that they're ready for, which I feel like so many things. Well, I think the luxury and how I look at a lot of how I tend to work is that people have done so much work, whether it's therapy, healing work, all these things, and that I get lucky sometimes and helping thread the need or connect those things up. But when you mentioned about the pink and the blue, or the masculine and the feminine, that's deep work that I've doing on my own for a long time, and even working with the native pipe, it's that's the sacred energy, is the masculine in the bowl and the stem is the feminine in the bowl, and the stem is the masculine. And when you bring the two together, you know, it really helps that that energy in your heart and really that sacred marriage or union, which to me it's not always one hundred percent, but if we get that pretty balance, and of course I write about self love a lot, then it I believe it frees us up in so many of our external relationships because if we're loving ourself, we're not needing something to help complete us.

Well. I don't know if I'd go that far, but I mean the way I look at it, and I remember our first couple of sessions talking about some of the ways you had been working in me trying to impart and why I love breath work is that I don't feel like I'm doing anything. I'm holding the space and really kind of letting a person's spirit hold the agenda for the healing that they're ready for, which I feel like so many things. Well, I think the luxury and how I look at a lot of how I tend to work is that people have done so much work, whether it's therapy, healing work, all these things, and that I get lucky sometimes and helping thread the need or connect those things up. But when you mentioned about the pink and the blue, or the masculine and the feminine, that's deep work that I've doing on my own for a long time, and even working with the native pipe, it's that's the sacred energy, is the masculine in the bowl and the stem is the feminine in the bowl, and the stem is the masculine. And when you bring the two together, you know, it really helps that that energy in your heart and really that sacred marriage or union, which to me it's not always one hundred percent, but if we get that pretty balance, and of course I write about self love a lot, then it I believe it frees us up in so many of our external relationships because if we're loving ourself, we're not needing something to help complete us.

So yeah, yeah, that is the work.

So yeah, yeah, that is the work.

Of course, that was a line Jerry Maguire, you know, you complete me, which to me was a great theatrical whatever line in the movie. But it's not a practical scenario.

Of course, that was a line Jerry Maguire, you know, you complete me, which to me was a great theatrical whatever line in the movie. But it's not a practical scenario.

I mean, film and TV really jacked us.

I mean, film and TV really jacked us.

Up pretty pretty much.

Up pretty pretty much.

Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, it really who lives like that? And also, yeah, it's just all right, we don't even have to Someone needs to make a Netflix documentary about that, especially the nineties. But it was incredible. And you know, I've shared about you on this show before because we were both up at the Loved of Mega Institute at the same time last season, and I actually posted about this recently on Instagram. So much left Romega. I was up there with the women who Heal Retreat.

Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, it really who lives like that? And also, yeah, it's just all right, we don't even have to Someone needs to make a Netflix documentary about that, especially the nineties. But it was incredible. And you know, I've shared about you on this show before because we were both up at the Loved of Mega Institute at the same time last season, and I actually posted about this recently on Instagram. So much left Romega. I was up there with the women who Heal Retreat.

And I want to I just kind of want to set the stage the visualization of this.

And I want to I just kind of want to set the stage the visualization of this.

So David is a bock star on O'll make us campus right, So the campus like me and myself and Quinapua were at Omega leading the women who He'll Retreat And it was an incredible week that we were there, and we had I think we had about seventy five women with us that week. So we were kind of moving through the campus. You know, it's a beautiful place and it was so special. And then everyone was like whispering.

So David is a bock star on O'll make us campus right, So the campus like me and myself and Quinapua were at Omega leading the women who He'll Retreat And it was an incredible week that we were there, and we had I think we had about seventy five women with us that week. So we were kind of moving through the campus. You know, it's a beautiful place and it was so special. And then everyone was like whispering.

Like David Elliot is going to do a breathwork.

Like David Elliot is going to do a breathwork.

Done.

Done.

My David Elliott is doing breathwork. They're like, I wonder if you can get in that class.

My David Elliott is doing breathwork. They're like, I wonder if you can get in that class.

I wonder And then I saw you. We sat down and we had a meal together, and You're like, invite all your women. So we show up. We're in the forest. It is the night, and we show up to this huge, beautiful sanctuary and David had his huge group of students and then there was this huge group of veterans from all over the country that were learning different practices and mindfulness and then I had my group of a amazing seventy five women, most of whom I would say ninety nine percent of whom had never done breathwork of any kind before. And we all come in there and like I'm in my jammy as I actually had just washed my hair, I had it all tied up, and we are all in this huge sanctuary and we're laying on the floor and David leads us through an hour of breath work. And to this day I get constant messages about how much that changed the lives of the women who had come with me, and how important that was for them, how much space it created in them. So they've been sharing updates of how life is felt since then. But if you've never sat in a breathwork session, and when I say breathwork session, I don't just mean kind of like some of the more yogic breaths that I lead on this show or in meditation. Sometimes this is very kind of active, participatory, holotropic breathing, and it can it can very much feel if you've done this before, like a psychedelic experience. It completely gets you inside of yourself, but it takes you out of any desire or connection to being able to control and you're on a journey, and in sessions like this, you'll hear things like hysterical laughing, You'll hear wailing and weeping and crying.

I wonder And then I saw you. We sat down and we had a meal together, and You're like, invite all your women. So we show up. We're in the forest. It is the night, and we show up to this huge, beautiful sanctuary and David had his huge group of students and then there was this huge group of veterans from all over the country that were learning different practices and mindfulness and then I had my group of a amazing seventy five women, most of whom I would say ninety nine percent of whom had never done breathwork of any kind before. And we all come in there and like I'm in my jammy as I actually had just washed my hair, I had it all tied up, and we are all in this huge sanctuary and we're laying on the floor and David leads us through an hour of breath work. And to this day I get constant messages about how much that changed the lives of the women who had come with me, and how important that was for them, how much space it created in them. So they've been sharing updates of how life is felt since then. But if you've never sat in a breathwork session, and when I say breathwork session, I don't just mean kind of like some of the more yogic breaths that I lead on this show or in meditation. Sometimes this is very kind of active, participatory, holotropic breathing, and it can it can very much feel if you've done this before, like a psychedelic experience. It completely gets you inside of yourself, but it takes you out of any desire or connection to being able to control and you're on a journey, and in sessions like this, you'll hear things like hysterical laughing, You'll hear wailing and weeping and crying.

You'll hear sometimes.

You'll hear sometimes.

Words, you'll hear joy, you'll hear bliss. But it's a feeling that deeply changes you. And yeah, that was That was one of the very special experiences that we had together.

Words, you'll hear joy, you'll hear bliss. But it's a feeling that deeply changes you. And yeah, that was That was one of the very special experiences that we had together.

It was and I was a little apprehensive, not knowing, but obviously the veterans who were there were Vietnam vets, vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. So I was like, well, you know, their bodies. And I talked to Annie about it. You know, the trauma that they held, you know, was profound in a lot of cases. And I was like, you know, you guys, you can have your group together kind of in the corner by the door that way, if anybody needs to leave the room at any point, go in and out, they can. But little did I know. As I got in there and set up, this line of guys came and set three feet right in front of me, about fifteen of them, and I started to realize they were wearing fatigues and that oh the veterans have come to the front row, and I was like, are you guys supposed to be with Annie back in the corner, and they're like, no, no, she told us to come to the front row. So I didn't. I mean, I'm not afraid of it, but I didn't know how deep. And within a few minutes of breathing, not only did there well, So for me, the reason why use the breath is to help people stop thinking, to get out of their mind in a way at the oxygen does that, and really my whole intention is that we open the hearts. And I saw it happening kind of almost like this trickle effect with these guys, and then their bodies started shaking, which I knew they were, you know, that's in conjunction with the sounds and the rest of the room, but I knew they were going really deep. And yeah, I saw some of those guys the next two days who would come up and tell me what all happened to them, which was really deep. And some of them had done some types of breath work before too, so they were ready to dive on in there deeper, so it was good deeply.

It was and I was a little apprehensive, not knowing, but obviously the veterans who were there were Vietnam vets, vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. So I was like, well, you know, their bodies. And I talked to Annie about it. You know, the trauma that they held, you know, was profound in a lot of cases. And I was like, you know, you guys, you can have your group together kind of in the corner by the door that way, if anybody needs to leave the room at any point, go in and out, they can. But little did I know. As I got in there and set up, this line of guys came and set three feet right in front of me, about fifteen of them, and I started to realize they were wearing fatigues and that oh the veterans have come to the front row, and I was like, are you guys supposed to be with Annie back in the corner, and they're like, no, no, she told us to come to the front row. So I didn't. I mean, I'm not afraid of it, but I didn't know how deep. And within a few minutes of breathing, not only did there well, So for me, the reason why use the breath is to help people stop thinking, to get out of their mind in a way at the oxygen does that, and really my whole intention is that we open the hearts. And I saw it happening kind of almost like this trickle effect with these guys, and then their bodies started shaking, which I knew they were, you know, that's in conjunction with the sounds and the rest of the room, but I knew they were going really deep. And yeah, I saw some of those guys the next two days who would come up and tell me what all happened to them, which was really deep. And some of them had done some types of breath work before too, so they were ready to dive on in there deeper, so it was good deeply.

Well, how did you first discover the breath. And how did you know that that would be your superpower?

Well, how did you first discover the breath. And how did you know that that would be your superpower?

Well, remember that first books called The Reluctant Healer. So I had and as you read in the bio had well, I grew up in Kentucky. I had a great uncle there after I finished college who had raised his had moved to Los Angeles and raised his children out here or in the Fountain Valley, and anyway, they were all artists, actors and musicians, and so he had moved back to Kentucky after he had been there a little while. He got me and said, I'm taking you out west. He said, I'm taking you out west, young man. We have to get you out of Kentucky. I was like, okay, I'll go. And I didn't realize it was he was really intentionally getting me out of Kentucky. I didn't. I actually for a little while, took a job with a company and moved to Florida. But his grandkids planted the seeds and they just they said, well, why why do you need to get a job, Just stay here and be an actor and what are you talking about? And so little did I know the universe had this plan. I got to Florida and started meeting photographers and agents and started doing commercials. Ended up back in LA about three years later, and then simultaneously, I mean, I was getting some work, you know, in Florida and commercials, but I knew I wanted to do more theatrical work, and I really studied. Like I mean, it took me a while to understand, Oh, you can actually emote and you can feel things. I mean to me, the whole acting process was very spiritual because I didn't I mean, I was emotional growing up, but I didn't know that you could actually work with your emotions. And so, you know, I'm thinking, I'm in LA and this is my life. I'm going to be an actor. And then literally people started grabbing me, like sometimes frantically, telling me I was this healer, and they'd pull things out of their pocket or their purse. Like one lady had a cassette tape she had had a reading from some psychic in New York City, and she goes, I'm supposed to I was supposed to meet you today, and here you are. And a woman and her daughter grabbed me on an airplane once and pulled me down in the seat. They pulled out you know, like a card and said this guru in India had told them. I mean, you know, stuff that's pretty bizarre, but it happened, you know, twenty five thirty times. Of course, my ego was always hoping they'd seen me in acting something other, but it was always this thing about a healer. And finally I said, okay, God, you need to send me some answers. And then my phone rang and one of my best friends in Florida told me that I needed to meet this guy Tim Heath, who was a healer in Sedona, but he's coming to LA and I said, I must need to meet him. I don't even know what a healer is. Anyway, he was coming to LA. A couple days later I met him. I remember as soon as I walked in to meet him, he goes, hello, brother, we meet again. And I go what and he goes, oh, yeah, I've known you many lifetimes. You're a healer. And I go, what do you I don't what is it? What are you talking about? And he goes, you taught me a meditation in India. I'm going to show it to you today and you probably don't remember it. You taught me this two thousand some odd years ago. I mean by that point, I was rolling my eyes and just kind of laughing because I was like, man, these people are nuts out here.

Well, remember that first books called The Reluctant Healer. So I had and as you read in the bio had well, I grew up in Kentucky. I had a great uncle there after I finished college who had raised his had moved to Los Angeles and raised his children out here or in the Fountain Valley, and anyway, they were all artists, actors and musicians, and so he had moved back to Kentucky after he had been there a little while. He got me and said, I'm taking you out west. He said, I'm taking you out west, young man. We have to get you out of Kentucky. I was like, okay, I'll go. And I didn't realize it was he was really intentionally getting me out of Kentucky. I didn't. I actually for a little while, took a job with a company and moved to Florida. But his grandkids planted the seeds and they just they said, well, why why do you need to get a job, Just stay here and be an actor and what are you talking about? And so little did I know the universe had this plan. I got to Florida and started meeting photographers and agents and started doing commercials. Ended up back in LA about three years later, and then simultaneously, I mean, I was getting some work, you know, in Florida and commercials, but I knew I wanted to do more theatrical work, and I really studied. Like I mean, it took me a while to understand, Oh, you can actually emote and you can feel things. I mean to me, the whole acting process was very spiritual because I didn't I mean, I was emotional growing up, but I didn't know that you could actually work with your emotions. And so, you know, I'm thinking, I'm in LA and this is my life. I'm going to be an actor. And then literally people started grabbing me, like sometimes frantically, telling me I was this healer, and they'd pull things out of their pocket or their purse. Like one lady had a cassette tape she had had a reading from some psychic in New York City, and she goes, I'm supposed to I was supposed to meet you today, and here you are. And a woman and her daughter grabbed me on an airplane once and pulled me down in the seat. They pulled out you know, like a card and said this guru in India had told them. I mean, you know, stuff that's pretty bizarre, but it happened, you know, twenty five thirty times. Of course, my ego was always hoping they'd seen me in acting something other, but it was always this thing about a healer. And finally I said, okay, God, you need to send me some answers. And then my phone rang and one of my best friends in Florida told me that I needed to meet this guy Tim Heath, who was a healer in Sedona, but he's coming to LA and I said, I must need to meet him. I don't even know what a healer is. Anyway, he was coming to LA. A couple days later I met him. I remember as soon as I walked in to meet him, he goes, hello, brother, we meet again. And I go what and he goes, oh, yeah, I've known you many lifetimes. You're a healer. And I go, what do you I don't what is it? What are you talking about? And he goes, you taught me a meditation in India. I'm going to show it to you today and you probably don't remember it. You taught me this two thousand some odd years ago. I mean by that point, I was rolling my eyes and just kind of laughing because I was like, man, these people are nuts out here.

And he goes, he goes, you're you know you're going to.

And he goes, he goes, you're you know you're going to.

Be doing this work. You've been You've done it many lifetimes, and I've been with you several of those lifetimes, which I couldn't wrap my head around that. Anyway, he led me through a breathing session. I mean, the funniest thing. I don't remember if I've told this in any interviews before, but when I went into the room, yeah, anyways, let me lay down on a bit, got me started breathing the whole time. I mean, I felt like I was in this ceremony and anyway, it was really profound. A lot went on my body. Yeah, I was. It was more than psychedelics.

Be doing this work. You've been You've done it many lifetimes, and I've been with you several of those lifetimes, which I couldn't wrap my head around that. Anyway, he led me through a breathing session. I mean, the funniest thing. I don't remember if I've told this in any interviews before, but when I went into the room, yeah, anyways, let me lay down on a bit, got me started breathing the whole time. I mean, I felt like I was in this ceremony and anyway, it was really profound. A lot went on my body. Yeah, I was. It was more than psychedelics.

And anyway, don't you skim through these details. I want it all well.

And anyway, don't you skim through these details. I want it all well.

So it was like the whole time I saw myself on this mountain, there was smoke and wind, and you know, it was this whole thing I was with these elders. You know, I was fully in it. And the biggest thing was is when I was five and a half, my family we had lost a baby boy who was a year and a half old. And you know, I had always carried that my parents were really young, and I think I this was probably part of my curve but gift in that I was able to carry a lot of the grief for the family, and I always knew it was there. When I was doing the breathing, I felt it and saw it leaving me like a spinning tornado. I mean, it was really crazy. I even had some images of my baby brother. And so a couple of weeks after that session, well, when I finished it, Tim and said, well, I'm going to be doing this workshop in Sedona whatever a month later. You're welcome to come. And I was like, oh, let me think about it. I don't know. Maybe a week later there was a guy in the room with him who was supporting him, and the person called me excuse me, and he goes, well, how did a session? How was it? And I said, yeah, it was great. What was that that ceremony he was doing There was like wind blowing and smoke, and I mean, it was like the craziest thing. And he started this belly laugh and he goes, well, I hate to tell you, but did you notice when you came into the room. There was an ironing board and Tim was ironing his shirts when you were breathing, and so he was using like spray starch, and it was like this sh and he was fluffing shirts and it was probably close enough I was feeling this. They probably did burn a little sage or something, but anyway, it was this whole crazy ceremony. But in reality, I mean, he was playing some music but broning his shirts, and I was hearing those sounds, you know, and feeling this wind. So it allowed me to think of some things to add into the healing work that I do, if it's a spray or if it is certain things I'm working with. And it also taught me when we get, you know, out of the logical place in our brain and we really start to open up. I mean, he he goes, he showed me the breath. He goes, you'll be breathing. He called it a two stage breath. He goes, You'll be breathing like this, you know. So I just did exactly what he showed me, full breaths, and within a few minutes, I felt like I was I kept touching down. I felt like I was levitating. It was like lightning bolts were shooting through me. I can't say. I actually had quite a lot of connections to past life memories, but I don't remember India, although I've had a lot over the years. A lot of psychics have come to me for me to help them, and I've had numerous ones say, you know, you had some significant lifetimes in India, and this one lady I would be like, oh, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, and this one lady goes, no, you should be really clear if you ever go to India, because you might not come back. And I go, is that because it's so good or because.

So it was like the whole time I saw myself on this mountain, there was smoke and wind, and you know, it was this whole thing I was with these elders. You know, I was fully in it. And the biggest thing was is when I was five and a half, my family we had lost a baby boy who was a year and a half old. And you know, I had always carried that my parents were really young, and I think I this was probably part of my curve but gift in that I was able to carry a lot of the grief for the family, and I always knew it was there. When I was doing the breathing, I felt it and saw it leaving me like a spinning tornado. I mean, it was really crazy. I even had some images of my baby brother. And so a couple of weeks after that session, well, when I finished it, Tim and said, well, I'm going to be doing this workshop in Sedona whatever a month later. You're welcome to come. And I was like, oh, let me think about it. I don't know. Maybe a week later there was a guy in the room with him who was supporting him, and the person called me excuse me, and he goes, well, how did a session? How was it? And I said, yeah, it was great. What was that that ceremony he was doing There was like wind blowing and smoke, and I mean, it was like the craziest thing. And he started this belly laugh and he goes, well, I hate to tell you, but did you notice when you came into the room. There was an ironing board and Tim was ironing his shirts when you were breathing, and so he was using like spray starch, and it was like this sh and he was fluffing shirts and it was probably close enough I was feeling this. They probably did burn a little sage or something, but anyway, it was this whole crazy ceremony. But in reality, I mean, he was playing some music but broning his shirts, and I was hearing those sounds, you know, and feeling this wind. So it allowed me to think of some things to add into the healing work that I do, if it's a spray or if it is certain things I'm working with. And it also taught me when we get, you know, out of the logical place in our brain and we really start to open up. I mean, he he goes, he showed me the breath. He goes, you'll be breathing. He called it a two stage breath. He goes, You'll be breathing like this, you know. So I just did exactly what he showed me, full breaths, and within a few minutes, I felt like I was I kept touching down. I felt like I was levitating. It was like lightning bolts were shooting through me. I can't say. I actually had quite a lot of connections to past life memories, but I don't remember India, although I've had a lot over the years. A lot of psychics have come to me for me to help them, and I've had numerous ones say, you know, you had some significant lifetimes in India, and this one lady I would be like, oh, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, and this one lady goes, no, you should be really clear if you ever go to India, because you might not come back. And I go, is that because it's so good or because.

It's so bad.

It's so bad.

I don't know if I want to go to India, so needless to say, I haven't been back yet or I haven't been there. But it pretty quickly, it you know, grabbed my attention and there was no you know, shaking the experience. And that's what I've learned. I think the thing people are most hungry for is not some logical understanding about a spiritual process. It's the experience of the spiritual process. And so, you know, I couldn't get it out of my mind. I went to Sedona. I said okay, I'm coming. You know. There was like six or seven people there and they were giving me the royal treatment. Every time something would go on, Tim would have me, you know, breathe, and they would all support me. I found out, you know, a little while after, I was the only paying person at the retreat, so I was basically paying for the other people to be there. There were people friends and people he picked up along the road. He would travel around a lot. He always said he was a clairvoyant, mystic healer, but that his gifts were a lot different than mine. In that first meeting, he said, you know you're Claire audience, and I go, what's that? He goes, well, it's a gift of hearing. And I said okay, and he goes, well, it's not it's very uncommon. How yours is? He goes, it's way more refined than mine. He said, you hear the answer to people's questions before they asked the question, are you here into their soul with their spirit? Which it took me a while to understand it. Even though I knew when he said that that it was true, I just didn't know what it was, you know, my whole life. But it had really exploded when I moved to La. You know, it had increased a lot, mainly at that moment I was dating this girl and the relationship was kind of as apparent that it needed to end. And I am probably in that opening with my heart and the pain in there, Like I would experience her dreams at night, I would hear her thoughts, you know, and so you know, that was like it kind of just blasted open, and it you know, and once it blasted open, it's pretty much you know, stayed that way. So but I was reluctant the first several years I didn't start working. I mean, I met Tim I think it was nineteen eighty nine, so you know, but he would come to La once a month and there would be all these people who had been thinking that I was supposed to help him, and I would just say, you got the wrong person, but I know who you're looking for. And I would point him to him and then he would do this thing, you know, be at my house. People would come over and then he would have my man. I would introduce him to them and he would say, why don't you get him started breathing. I'm gonna I got to do a quick phone call, be right back. Well, he never would come back, and he's like, I'm not he said, I'm not your teacher, I'm the messenger. And then he very quickly would ask me to do a healing session on him every time he was around me. And so he had had some traumatic stuff happened to him as a boy. So but I didn't know. I was like, what is going on? What does he want me to work on him? And I, you know, wasn't not only wasn't trusting it, but I didn't want to do it, you know, in the beginning. The eventually I realized, okay, they're just they're coming, you know. And he taught me into seeing you know, a few people a week. He's like, just see a few people. You won't have to if you're not working as an actor in that time period, you know, you can you know, pay your bills. And then yeah, he died a couple of years after i'd met him, and and then this herd of people kind of turned back. And so when I finally said okay, I'll see people regularly, it turned into forty people a week. And so that was you know, long gosh, twenty six seven years ago.

I don't know if I want to go to India, so needless to say, I haven't been back yet or I haven't been there. But it pretty quickly, it you know, grabbed my attention and there was no you know, shaking the experience. And that's what I've learned. I think the thing people are most hungry for is not some logical understanding about a spiritual process. It's the experience of the spiritual process. And so, you know, I couldn't get it out of my mind. I went to Sedona. I said okay, I'm coming. You know. There was like six or seven people there and they were giving me the royal treatment. Every time something would go on, Tim would have me, you know, breathe, and they would all support me. I found out, you know, a little while after, I was the only paying person at the retreat, so I was basically paying for the other people to be there. There were people friends and people he picked up along the road. He would travel around a lot. He always said he was a clairvoyant, mystic healer, but that his gifts were a lot different than mine. In that first meeting, he said, you know you're Claire audience, and I go, what's that? He goes, well, it's a gift of hearing. And I said okay, and he goes, well, it's not it's very uncommon. How yours is? He goes, it's way more refined than mine. He said, you hear the answer to people's questions before they asked the question, are you here into their soul with their spirit? Which it took me a while to understand it. Even though I knew when he said that that it was true, I just didn't know what it was, you know, my whole life. But it had really exploded when I moved to La. You know, it had increased a lot, mainly at that moment I was dating this girl and the relationship was kind of as apparent that it needed to end. And I am probably in that opening with my heart and the pain in there, Like I would experience her dreams at night, I would hear her thoughts, you know, and so you know, that was like it kind of just blasted open, and it you know, and once it blasted open, it's pretty much you know, stayed that way. So but I was reluctant the first several years I didn't start working. I mean, I met Tim I think it was nineteen eighty nine, so you know, but he would come to La once a month and there would be all these people who had been thinking that I was supposed to help him, and I would just say, you got the wrong person, but I know who you're looking for. And I would point him to him and then he would do this thing, you know, be at my house. People would come over and then he would have my man. I would introduce him to them and he would say, why don't you get him started breathing. I'm gonna I got to do a quick phone call, be right back. Well, he never would come back, and he's like, I'm not he said, I'm not your teacher, I'm the messenger. And then he very quickly would ask me to do a healing session on him every time he was around me. And so he had had some traumatic stuff happened to him as a boy. So but I didn't know. I was like, what is going on? What does he want me to work on him? And I, you know, wasn't not only wasn't trusting it, but I didn't want to do it, you know, in the beginning. The eventually I realized, okay, they're just they're coming, you know. And he taught me into seeing you know, a few people a week. He's like, just see a few people. You won't have to if you're not working as an actor in that time period, you know, you can you know, pay your bills. And then yeah, he died a couple of years after i'd met him, and and then this herd of people kind of turned back. And so when I finally said okay, I'll see people regularly, it turned into forty people a week. And so that was you know, long gosh, twenty six seven years ago.

Now, yeah, Wow.

Now, yeah, Wow.

Wow, it's so interesting, you know, just like connecting to that story. And I know so so many people listening might be in their reluctant phase right now too, so they may, you know, have, yeah, be at the beginning stages of exploring, like how do I work with this thing about me that I've always kind of sensed but not really known what to do with. And I had no one to talk about right it too, you know, David you it's it's interesting. How do I want to phrase this because I'm trying to keep it so anonymous, But your healing work has positively impacted and affected some people that really like permeate the pillars of society, right like you. You you work with a lot of anybody, You work with all kinds of people, but a lot of people that do find you are people that are in mastery of what they are here to do and there are some things to maybe get out of the way. So I personally know that your healing spiritual work has had effects on multiple Super Bowls.

Wow, it's so interesting, you know, just like connecting to that story. And I know so so many people listening might be in their reluctant phase right now too, so they may, you know, have, yeah, be at the beginning stages of exploring, like how do I work with this thing about me that I've always kind of sensed but not really known what to do with. And I had no one to talk about right it too, you know, David you it's it's interesting. How do I want to phrase this because I'm trying to keep it so anonymous, But your healing work has positively impacted and affected some people that really like permeate the pillars of society, right like you. You you work with a lot of anybody, You work with all kinds of people, but a lot of people that do find you are people that are in mastery of what they are here to do and there are some things to maybe get out of the way. So I personally know that your healing spiritual work has had effects on multiple Super Bowls.

It's had effects on the Oscars.

It's had effects on the Oscars.

There have been some Oscar winners, there have been some global best selling books. There have been a lot of huge creative projects that have touched the heart's, minds and souls of millions upon millions of millions of people that were able to happen because they were also supported by some of the deeper work that you were doing with those chosen to impact with that kind of You know, I'm so curious, You've seen so much, so many different kinds. What are some common blocks or beliefs that prevent people from accessing that depth of self love or being able to really kind of be in participation in co creation with what they're here to do.

There have been some Oscar winners, there have been some global best selling books. There have been a lot of huge creative projects that have touched the heart's, minds and souls of millions upon millions of millions of people that were able to happen because they were also supported by some of the deeper work that you were doing with those chosen to impact with that kind of You know, I'm so curious, You've seen so much, so many different kinds. What are some common blocks or beliefs that prevent people from accessing that depth of self love or being able to really kind of be in participation in co creation with what they're here to do.

Well, you mentioned also in the bio about the Creative Healing Art Center. So you know, I've always so I've loved sports, i love art, I love creative expression, and I find that I can say to the universe, hey, I like to work with some of these people or these people, because for me, I always feel like I'm learning I have intuition. But then I can like look at some things like the most creative people believe it or not, which you probably would understand it usually have had some of the most traumatic lives and fortunately for them, maybe they learn how to, you know, use their creativity even just to stay alive. And oftentimes when I'm dealing with people whether they're a writer or an actor or movie maker or musician, and they're not working, you know, close to whatever, doing something destructive. I would usually just say, well, what else are you been putting off? Any creative projects? And if we get them back, just go on and finish that. Do that. They'll be like, well, but if we can get them back creating, the problems go away. Because I always say, if you have a lot of talent, if you don't use it, it's going to use you. But if if and I noticed that, I mean I not learned that in college with you know, the one weekend the football team had the weekend off, they'd be throwing the furniture out of the dorm room windows because they weren't playing the game that week and using it up. And so they see it, you know, kind of across the board. You know. We'll always say with with trauma abuse, you know, if you I mean, it's a little tricky, I'll try to word it the right way. But if you stay in a place of you know, being victimized by it and not you know, like you invest into life not being fair and the wound, you know, usually it'll fester and then you probably won't, don't. I mean, things might not go so well. And you know, conversely, if a person uses it, helps others, tells their story, chooses to work through it, and that it even becomes a gift or something that's allowed them to you know, apply themselves, then it frees them up and usually is the recipe of their success because they learned to put in the work and they didn't let something stop them. So there's so many ways. I honestly with you know, La Hollywood all that, I feel like the universe had a very specific plan that you know, put me here to think I was supposed to be an actor, but then when I started writing, I was like, whoa, I feel more empowered and free. I don't need to wait for somebody else to approve or whatever. I can actually the need to express the clare audience, the throat chakra. Writing took care of that for me. So I haven't looked back. It's like, you know, I've never regretted not being an actor or whatever. You know. I was like, it's kind of a relief in a way. You know.

Well, you mentioned also in the bio about the Creative Healing Art Center. So you know, I've always so I've loved sports, i love art, I love creative expression, and I find that I can say to the universe, hey, I like to work with some of these people or these people, because for me, I always feel like I'm learning I have intuition. But then I can like look at some things like the most creative people believe it or not, which you probably would understand it usually have had some of the most traumatic lives and fortunately for them, maybe they learn how to, you know, use their creativity even just to stay alive. And oftentimes when I'm dealing with people whether they're a writer or an actor or movie maker or musician, and they're not working, you know, close to whatever, doing something destructive. I would usually just say, well, what else are you been putting off? Any creative projects? And if we get them back, just go on and finish that. Do that. They'll be like, well, but if we can get them back creating, the problems go away. Because I always say, if you have a lot of talent, if you don't use it, it's going to use you. But if if and I noticed that, I mean I not learned that in college with you know, the one weekend the football team had the weekend off, they'd be throwing the furniture out of the dorm room windows because they weren't playing the game that week and using it up. And so they see it, you know, kind of across the board. You know. We'll always say with with trauma abuse, you know, if you I mean, it's a little tricky, I'll try to word it the right way. But if you stay in a place of you know, being victimized by it and not you know, like you invest into life not being fair and the wound, you know, usually it'll fester and then you probably won't, don't. I mean, things might not go so well. And you know, conversely, if a person uses it, helps others, tells their story, chooses to work through it, and that it even becomes a gift or something that's allowed them to you know, apply themselves, then it frees them up and usually is the recipe of their success because they learned to put in the work and they didn't let something stop them. So there's so many ways. I honestly with you know, La Hollywood all that, I feel like the universe had a very specific plan that you know, put me here to think I was supposed to be an actor, but then when I started writing, I was like, whoa, I feel more empowered and free. I don't need to wait for somebody else to approve or whatever. I can actually the need to express the clare audience, the throat chakra. Writing took care of that for me. So I haven't looked back. It's like, you know, I've never regretted not being an actor or whatever. You know. I was like, it's kind of a relief in a way. You know.

So that is so highful about radio too. People always ask it, do you miss being on TV?

So that is so highful about radio too. People always ask it, do you miss being on TV?

Or being on the radio, and it's like I don't know how to how to like fully convey how.

Or being on the radio, and it's like I don't know how to how to like fully convey how.

Much I don't, right, you know, like like no, actually not at all?

Much I don't, right, you know, like like no, actually not at all?

Right, yes, no, well I think it the refinement is within the alignment of what we're here to do, and when we kind of you know, usually you're in the ballpark. I always a lot of people. If you've been living, you know, around LA and you have this need on some level to express to help to do things, then you're probably gonna in some way bridge into some of those abilities, like when I do meditation recordings. Fortunately, you know, the people that end up recording or you know, they're like way qualified beyond what I really probably need. But then they want to help, and so I'm like, okay, this will Yeah, I've got some I've got some ideas, and so you know, again the beauty is, I mean, plenty of spiritual teachers would want to be connected to Hollywood for that expansion, But when you're still like, I mean, I just will say for me, I like prefer to kind of under the radar a bit.

Right, yes, no, well I think it the refinement is within the alignment of what we're here to do, and when we kind of you know, usually you're in the ballpark. I always a lot of people. If you've been living, you know, around LA and you have this need on some level to express to help to do things, then you're probably gonna in some way bridge into some of those abilities, like when I do meditation recordings. Fortunately, you know, the people that end up recording or you know, they're like way qualified beyond what I really probably need. But then they want to help, and so I'm like, okay, this will Yeah, I've got some I've got some ideas, and so you know, again the beauty is, I mean, plenty of spiritual teachers would want to be connected to Hollywood for that expansion, But when you're still like, I mean, I just will say for me, I like prefer to kind of under the radar a bit.

That's what I love about your archetype so much.

That's what I love about your archetype so much.

I feel like I've had some of the just the greatest people to learn from, you know, like between you and I would also say Deepak and watching the way you move with your gifts and your reach and you know what, you're here to do it. That's always how I felt. That's always how I knew I was meant to move. I just didn't see it anywhere, and it gave me such permission because I think especially now, and only touch on this for a second, but I think it's relevant because we're in such an age that is about quote unquote visibility. Look at me, look at me, look at me, or you know, just kind of receive this even before it becomes something, and it's just that, you know. And for some people that's beautiful and they are that archetype. And for others there are other paths, you know, there are really other ways. Yeah, to even work with one's own charisma and.

I feel like I've had some of the just the greatest people to learn from, you know, like between you and I would also say Deepak and watching the way you move with your gifts and your reach and you know what, you're here to do it. That's always how I felt. That's always how I knew I was meant to move. I just didn't see it anywhere, and it gave me such permission because I think especially now, and only touch on this for a second, but I think it's relevant because we're in such an age that is about quote unquote visibility. Look at me, look at me, look at me, or you know, just kind of receive this even before it becomes something, and it's just that, you know. And for some people that's beautiful and they are that archetype. And for others there are other paths, you know, there are really other ways. Yeah, to even work with one's own charisma and.

Magnetism, Yeah, for sure, you know. I mean, oh gosh, I have Well, when September eleventh happened, it was it was a few days after I had taken a group of people to Sedona. So after I met Tim there, I would for many many years do a retreat or too there, usually every labor day in two thousand and one. Labor Day was whatever, the end of August. So we were there and I would like, usually do this little ceremony in a cave, and people said, you have to teach us this, and I go.

Magnetism, Yeah, for sure, you know. I mean, oh gosh, I have Well, when September eleventh happened, it was it was a few days after I had taken a group of people to Sedona. So after I met Tim there, I would for many many years do a retreat or too there, usually every labor day in two thousand and one. Labor Day was whatever, the end of August. So we were there and I would like, usually do this little ceremony in a cave, and people said, you have to teach us this, and I go.

Casual ceremony in a cave, casual mention, yeah.

Casual ceremony in a cave, casual mention, yeah.

And I said, okay, I will, And I was like, you know, because they had been asking for a long time, and you know, and then September eleven, event's happened, and literally the day after it, I don't know, three thirty in the morning, I get woke up. And when something's really important, I audibly hear a voice. You know. I tell people that also have gifts of hearing. You don't want to tell everybody for sure, you know, if it's around psych you know, psychiatry, or probably don't want to tell people it sometimes that you hear a voice. But when it's really important, you know, like that morning, I audibly heard a voice. Get in the car, go to the ocean, get in the water and wash away the fear. So I go get in the car. I was living in Eagle Rock. I start heading to Santa Monica and it's a no no North sent me up almost to Santa Barbara, ironically kind of in the same area where I live now, and I parked, went down to the beach, walked down. It kept pushing me farther down the coastline and it said here. I got in the water when I went out and went all the way under. When I raised up, I heard, it's time to start writing the book. I've been told my whole life as a writer. But I didn't wasn't ready, and so I kind of hesitated, and I heard, if you don't start writing the book today, we're taking it all away, your gift, your clients, your family. I don't. I mean other times people have said is the universe, I mean our God? Or is It was like, no, it doesn't work that way for you. For me that day, it was that imperative and I got I, you know, heard it. And then when I stepped out on the beach from coming out of the water is where I first saw these oce and stones that I sometimes pick up and give the people, And it said, pick these up and give give them the people. Yeah, there's no help them balance and heal. So yeah, I still get sent back like once a year to pick up a backpack or two of ocean stones and still give them to people on their first session so when they come to see me. So you know, sometimes I mean I can think back on it, you know, and you can kind of some of the stories can seem a little outlandish. But I don't question when I'm really receiving a strong message anymore. I don't say I always do it, but if it's really strong and it comes around a second time, I know I better start making some movement towards it. Otherwise the third time it's going to be painful, you know. Like the third time it like that be a limb hits me in the face right when I hear it or feel it, or you know, I might slip up a step and hurt my ankle or something. So I've learned when it's for me. I'm not saying it's that way for everybody, but for me, and something you mentioned it a minute ago. I believe the people who are here now and choosing to be in a role of helping others its destiny. I don't think it's a mystery, you know. I believe that we're in a place some mother Earth at this time that's of a lot of importance. Maybe not that different than a lot of other times, you know. But my musician friends, I'm like, you should finish that album now. It needs to be out. For writers who were working on.

And I said, okay, I will, And I was like, you know, because they had been asking for a long time, and you know, and then September eleven, event's happened, and literally the day after it, I don't know, three thirty in the morning, I get woke up. And when something's really important, I audibly hear a voice. You know. I tell people that also have gifts of hearing. You don't want to tell everybody for sure, you know, if it's around psych you know, psychiatry, or probably don't want to tell people it sometimes that you hear a voice. But when it's really important, you know, like that morning, I audibly heard a voice. Get in the car, go to the ocean, get in the water and wash away the fear. So I go get in the car. I was living in Eagle Rock. I start heading to Santa Monica and it's a no no North sent me up almost to Santa Barbara, ironically kind of in the same area where I live now, and I parked, went down to the beach, walked down. It kept pushing me farther down the coastline and it said here. I got in the water when I went out and went all the way under. When I raised up, I heard, it's time to start writing the book. I've been told my whole life as a writer. But I didn't wasn't ready, and so I kind of hesitated, and I heard, if you don't start writing the book today, we're taking it all away, your gift, your clients, your family. I don't. I mean other times people have said is the universe, I mean our God? Or is It was like, no, it doesn't work that way for you. For me that day, it was that imperative and I got I, you know, heard it. And then when I stepped out on the beach from coming out of the water is where I first saw these oce and stones that I sometimes pick up and give the people, And it said, pick these up and give give them the people. Yeah, there's no help them balance and heal. So yeah, I still get sent back like once a year to pick up a backpack or two of ocean stones and still give them to people on their first session so when they come to see me. So you know, sometimes I mean I can think back on it, you know, and you can kind of some of the stories can seem a little outlandish. But I don't question when I'm really receiving a strong message anymore. I don't say I always do it, but if it's really strong and it comes around a second time, I know I better start making some movement towards it. Otherwise the third time it's going to be painful, you know. Like the third time it like that be a limb hits me in the face right when I hear it or feel it, or you know, I might slip up a step and hurt my ankle or something. So I've learned when it's for me. I'm not saying it's that way for everybody, but for me, and something you mentioned it a minute ago. I believe the people who are here now and choosing to be in a role of helping others its destiny. I don't think it's a mystery, you know. I believe that we're in a place some mother Earth at this time that's of a lot of importance. Maybe not that different than a lot of other times, you know. But my musician friends, I'm like, you should finish that album now. It needs to be out. For writers who were working on.

Their books stayed on me.

Their books stayed on me.

It's like, you've got to get the book done, you know, because it's it's yeah calling card or it's that thing that helps you know, lead people.

It's like, you've got to get the book done, you know, because it's it's yeah calling card or it's that thing that helps you know, lead people.

Yeah, that helped me so much because it ooh, even thinking about it right now, I want to cry.

Yeah, that helped me so much because it ooh, even thinking about it right now, I want to cry.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think, like I just I ran from finishing this book that will be available for precell in January and purchase in April. It's called living in Wisdom or to say on that. But you know, I ran from running it from writing it for quite a while. And every time I would come to see you, which is like usually a few times a year, yeah, like I feel like I get in hopefully when all is good and you're not booked and busy, like once a quarter and that. And every time I come, I would be like, so the book and they said finish it.

I think, like I just I ran from finishing this book that will be available for precell in January and purchase in April. It's called living in Wisdom or to say on that. But you know, I ran from running it from writing it for quite a while. And every time I would come to see you, which is like usually a few times a year, yeah, like I feel like I get in hopefully when all is good and you're not booked and busy, like once a quarter and that. And every time I come, I would be like, so the book and they said finish it.

Within a couple of minutes, I would be asking, how's the book coming? Yeah?

Within a couple of minutes, I would be asking, how's the book coming? Yeah?

Yeah, but it yeah, well it definitely kept honest, it kept me clear, and you know, I think sometimes and I don't know how much just resonates with anyone listening. But when you do have gifts and you do have creativity, and you do know you're here for something, but there's also, you know, the divine timing because I think something for myself, I feel I've had visions about a lot of things I'm supposed to do for more than thirty years, right, or I have sometimes I can get deep senses of something that's being birth, but and I'm like, is this mine?

Yeah, but it yeah, well it definitely kept honest, it kept me clear, and you know, I think sometimes and I don't know how much just resonates with anyone listening. But when you do have gifts and you do have creativity, and you do know you're here for something, but there's also, you know, the divine timing because I think something for myself, I feel I've had visions about a lot of things I'm supposed to do for more than thirty years, right, or I have sometimes I can get deep senses of something that's being birth, but and I'm like, is this mine?

Or is it the person next to me? Or is it the person I know?

Or is it the person next to me? Or is it the person I know?

And so I loved how you said, like when you're feeling a sense, sometimes it's not always okay, so you have to rush You got to get out of bed and rush out and do it all like this, But it's like start making steps towards, start taking time to let yourself think more about it or let it lead you, or creating little piles of something towards something something you had shared with me. You were like, just start making piles around your office of like make on the floor a pile for each chapter and just start placing things in each thing and then come back to it and wrap yourself your mind around how you might get this on paper or because I think that's the thing, and that's it's all in us anyway, right It Like a lot of times our work is how do you clear enough space to get it out or how do you create the systems that are necessary for you to get it out of you?

And so I loved how you said, like when you're feeling a sense, sometimes it's not always okay, so you have to rush You got to get out of bed and rush out and do it all like this, But it's like start making steps towards, start taking time to let yourself think more about it or let it lead you, or creating little piles of something towards something something you had shared with me. You were like, just start making piles around your office of like make on the floor a pile for each chapter and just start placing things in each thing and then come back to it and wrap yourself your mind around how you might get this on paper or because I think that's the thing, and that's it's all in us anyway, right It Like a lot of times our work is how do you clear enough space to get it out or how do you create the systems that are necessary for you to get it out of you?

Right? Well, and for most you know, sometimes the bigger the risk, the bigger the resistance to trust and to start it or and or birth it, you know. So, I mean, inevitably, I work with a lot of writers and had, you know, like for a while, three writers groups in the evenings for years. You know, I believe that, you know, again, creative expression and sharing our stories are the best form of therapy that we can do for ourselves. Yeah, you it causes us, cause you to get clearer on what you're communicating.