Deeply Well with Devi BrownREPLAY - Numerology for Self-Discovery with Josh Siegel
Each modality featured on Deeply Well offers a different way to translate and empower your learning for self-discovery. It's important to expound and share different tools that best help you navigate your life as the unique soul that you are. Today we explore connecting numbers to a higher meaning, a scientific theory that goes back thousands of years.
Josh Siegel found how mathematics connected to the mysterious to be a perfect intersection. Siegel is recognized as one of the foremost authorities on numerology in the United States. He has brought a fresh and compelling new face to this ancient science by translating the mystical system of numbers into the modern mindset of today.
Numerology is the algorithm to why you’re here and what you’re here to learn. Do you know your life path number and what it means?
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At this time, we have a heavy hitter in the studio, someone who is celebrated and renowned for their work and Numerology's so excited to welcome to the show today, Josh Siegel. Josh is recognized as one of the foremost authorities on numerology in the United States. He has brought a fresh and compelling new face to the ancient science by translating the mystical system of numbers into the modern mindset of today. By employing his highly advanced system of calculations, he is able to quickly penetrate core issues, give instant clarity to questions, interpret the meaning of seemingly random events, and empower you to change counterproductive patterns to welcome in happiness and prosperity you deserve, we deserve. From top celebrities to fortune five hundred executives, professionals, and homemakers. His diverse clientele includes people of all ages and walks of life. He's been featured in Goop, in Style, While and Good Bustle, Glamour UK and more.
Josh, welcome, Thank you for having me. Thank you so much.
I am so excited to get this just powerful information into the hands of everyone, and I'm so excited.
About this time.
I mean, it just has to feel kind of well, I don't want to put words in your mouth.
To me, it feels kind.
Of amazing right now that these ancient tools that I believe Creator gave to Earth to help us understand and walk this path, that are thousands and thousands of years old, we get to learn about and apply and use as guideposts for our life right now one of I consider the most complicated times in recent human.
History at least, yes, no doubt. Yeah, yeah, it's someone says, oh, well, that sounds kind of new age, it's actually very ancient. Agy numerology, or the idea of connecting numbers to a higher meaning or a deeper meaning, go back thousands of years pre Christian prejudaism to an ancient time. Although both the Christians and the Jews also littered within their holy writings, do have a mystical usage of numbers. Right, So for example, when you have like, no, I was on the arc for forty days and forty nights, right, well, the Israelites wanted the desert for forty years, and in the New Testament, Jesus was tempted by the devil for forty days, right, So we see numbers being used allegorically, you know, but the origins go back to the beginning of civilization. And my research into this, which started twenty five years ago. Wow, I sort of approached it because I was basically raised by a academic. My mother was a professor and she was she was a skeptic. Both my parents were highly educated. Well, yeah, very much skeptic. I always say to my mom, is so skeptical. She's skeptical of skeptics. You're skeptical enough, right, So I learned from her to have a discriminating mind, and research was important. But I always had this instinct that there was more to life than what I was seeing. They couldn't answer my questions, so I had to probe deeper into life's mysteries on my own. But I still use the approach of ferreting out facts and just you know, finding out the truth was so important to me. Something had to work, something had to be valid, and that's where numbers in the mystical. This sort of the mathematics of it, this systematic aspect connected to the mysterious, was a perfect sort of intersection for me.
Josh can you give us a delicious, understandable overview of what numerology is and how we can make it useful into our day to day life.
I after twenty five years of doing this, I actually believe this system which I use is sort of it's like a code to your life path. Oh, it's the algorithm to why you're here and what you're here to learn.
Oh my gosh, I love the way you said that.
And it works actually, And the reason why I know it works is I've been doing it for twenty five years and I've done approximately twenty thousand sessions.
Wow.
So I have an enormous body of research. And what I've found is that we are all born with certain lessons given to us at birth. This is purposeful and when you understand what your lesson is, it sort of decodes why you attract certain things in life because and it's interesting how it dovetails a little bit with modern psychology. A psychologist will always say, well, tell me about your childhood. They're trying to figure out how mommy and daddy screwed you up, or what kinds of things happened in your life that affected conversely, because then we're conditioned by these things. They may go on to the world, and we attract certain types of relationships that bring up our or we struggle with certain things that we want to do in life. That's always a problem. There's all these preordained lessons. What's different between sort of going to a therapist is that I see in the numbers the story already. I see this blueprint to your life. I see certain dynamics that probably played out and probably shape the way you think and feel. And then I see the way forward on how to transform these lessons that were given to you so that you would grow and evolve as a soul. Because I just think at this stage this is a little bit of a matrix that we live in and it's like boot camp for souls. And again, I don't say that theoretically as far as I'm concerned. I say that because thousands and thousands and thousands of cases show this to be true, verified, And what I've learned is that it's okay to have wounds and lessons, and it's it's our path to confront these parts of ourselves, and that's when we grow and evolve. It's by looking, you know. I know there's a lot of stuff in spirituality where there's a lot of positivity, and I'm ball for it, but we have to look at the shadow as well.
Yeah, I'm like, I don't believe in positivity. Can I just say that I don't believe in it in the way that it's shared. I think that's I think it's bypassing. I think it's a beautiful bow on spiritual bypassing because when you know, I think even when you connect to your shadow, when you get enough space inside, you can hold space for both. You can be enjoying enthusiasm and be in grief. And you know, this idea of positivity that is just kind of grossly permeating the spiritual world. It turns into kind of narcissism, spiritual narcissism. It turns into a lot of avoidance, a lot of bypassing, and you miss the whole point. I love what you said about this being a boot camp for the soul. Can you say more to that?
Yeah? And by the way, what you're saying right now is one of the reasons why I agreed to come on this podcast, because I've listened to your videos and I think there's an authenticity that you have that's sometimes missing from this spiritual world, thank you, but yeah, this boot camp for souls. What I started to see is this incredible intelligence to the universe that played out in people's lives. It was sort of remarkable as I started to work the system and started to see how it correlated with real life cases where people were born with certain numbers that describe certain lessons, certain challenges, and how their life kind of unfolded in a certain manner that were similar to other people with similar codes. I mean, there's always an X factor. There's always things that I don't know, and I'm very clear about that. I don't know everything. It's not that I can see every single activity or every event that happens in all eight billion people's lives Earth. You can't, sorry to say, but but there's enough information there that makes it unmistakable. And what I found is there has to be a reason why we're here. I don't believe in the the accidental there was a bunch of you know, molecules that blew up and that was it, and it was all just a giant mistake. I think it's a part of a process and intelligence and that Einstein spoke about that Einstein spoke about this intelligence in the universe right. And my belief is after all these years, is that the reason why we're giving these lessons is that's the only way to evolve as a soul, any way to grow, only way to have that tension that brings out you know, that what you referred to as the transformation. So I don't think it has to be you know, my sessions at times are filled with humor. You know, I'm kind of an energy person. You know, I swear I do crazy shit my readings, and but I keep my eye on the ball, which is get people to the higher path. And what I found, and I think one of the greatest secrets that I found after twenty five years of doing this and over twenty thousand sessions, is that the numbers that describe our wounds are the same numbers that describe our higher purpose for being here.
Wow.
And I didn't know that at first. It took years of research. So there are numbers in a chart that describe natural ability. I call your natural ability number talents that come easy, what drives you in life, your innermotivation, personality traits, and they are important And to do a full chart, you need to do all those numbers I get about five or six numbers, depending on the name of the birthdate. But what's interesting is what I found out later is that the ultimate what I call the ultimate goal numbers describe how you were not supported growing up, describe how you were repressed or there was conflicts in that area, and it represents almost a owned aspect of who we are.
Ye.
Then we go out into the world and we attract these Shakespearean dramas with other people. Listen, right, And it's really remarkable how this works. And for example, I can sit down with the chart and I can tell someone you've attracted these kinds of people, and I do this whole like FBI profile of who this person is.
Yeah, and they're like.
How would you possibly know that? And because I projected your chart onto someone else, I created a person who would mirror back to your own wounds, because that's what we attract until we heal enough. And again, I don't say this as oh, this happened a couple of times. This happened tens of thousands of times.
I mean just that number alone, that's astounding, Like that's this twenty thousand?
What?
Okay? There are so many questions.
First, I want to go back, back back, because I think I'm always and we're in an age where we're now kind of having conversations like this so easily, so much more openly. There's infographics all over ig and everywhere about things that you used to have to whisper about, you know, or create language around to not seem quote unquote.
Crazy to people.
How did you to get to a point where you have just amassed such a body of work and expertise.
How did you even say yes to this?
Because my assumption is you started in a time that is not this current one where you can just go on TikTok and get the you know, the astrot. How did you come to this work and what?
How did you know was your purpose things?
You're right, and I didn't because I'm so I did not spend a lot of my time doing social media. In fact, I kind of rejected social media for most of my career, part of it because I thought, why do I need this? I've been doing this for so long and I have a clientele. And I also saw some things that I thought were inauthentic. But I've changed now because I've come to terms with the reality of life that this is life. But when I started out, You're right, it was not health and wellness was not a trend. Spirituality, you could be considered a little off the wall to some. What happened was that I had an insatiable curiosity to understand life. And although ironically the family I grew up in right because I was actually adopted and my parents who were quite old when they adopted me, and my mother was a German jew whose family escaped from Nazi Germany in the mid to late nineteen thirties. Wow, And she was a very sophisticated, rather elegant intellectual of some sort, if you will. She was a senior professor at UCLA. My mother is interesting. My mother's maiden name was Einstein, and nobody knew if she was actually related to Albert Einstein. Actually found on the Internet years ago the family tree that she indeed was a descendant of Albert Einstein. My goodness, she kept her maiden name so her in her work, So my mother was known as Professor Einstein. Wow, you like to come home with a report card to Professor Einstein? A be like it?
No pressure, right, So it was.
A perfect storm. I think instinctively, I think biologically because my birth parents were musicians in the sixties. Dad was a little bit of a rock star. I had a couple of hit songs. I didn't even know who he was until I was nineteen. Wow, And I think I had this creative, intuitive essence to my being that was inconsistent with the intellectuals and the skepticism I grew up with. However, I found a way to bring them together in this perfect melding of mathematics and systematic thinking with spirituality. And it started through studying Kabbala, because I grew up in a Jewish family, and Kabala's Jewish mysticism, and when you really study it properly, you find that there is a system of numbers that are tied to the Hebrew letters that it's referred to as gametria. Gametria is the connection between numbers and letters and then formulating basically words that add up to certain numbers that have deeper meaning. So I was really fascinated with that because it was that mathematical, analytical thing tied to mysticism. Yeah, but it wasn't long till I started studying other things. I found a book back in the day called The Secret teachings of all ages by many Palmer Hall. That was like an encyclopedia mystical knowledge spand all over the world. And I was absolutely blown away from that. And then it started a journey of studying all of these spiritual traditions and what I found was startling to me that every single major world religion and spiritual tradition had a system of a philosophy using numbers as the language. Wow, everyone, and I thought, is this common knowledge? Do we know this? Are we taught this in school? Again? This is a scholarly fact. I can sit down with anyone compared to religion and speak about this, or a theologian. And what's so interesting about this is that it's not really readily taught. For example, when you go to school, you learn the Pythagorean theorem in math class. So Pythagoras is considered by many to be the godfather of numerology. Really, but do we learn that that same person who lived twenty five hundred years ago believe that there was a world where numbers were considered divine?
Ya?
Wow, that numbers were the key to the universe, that numbers could describe the essence of all things, that all things vibrated to a number. We're not taught that in school, but yet we learned A squared plus B squared equals C squared. But the same man had all these divide this incredible knowledge. M and I find it interesting that we're not really taught that. Yes, it doesn't play into, you know, the regular typical curriculum.
Deeply, wow, if this is not a symptom of the way we human and that we just want to forget things all the time and then have to refine things and then take the sacredness away from things. But I had an experience myself where it was in beginning to research and study the books of Enoch that I was just like wait, wow, oh, And they wanted to keep this away from the Bible, but this gives us systems for understanding why we're here and connecting with the creator.
But they're apart and then this book vilifies all of that.
But this book tells you to go for it.
See, now you're getting into something. Why is it that this is not some grand conspiracy at all? It's just that mankind right, there is a tendency towards materialism over time, there's a spiritual movement and then it becomes people gain control of that spiritual movement end up because human beings, we're human, and we become we want to codify, we want to put it into a system, and then we want to control it. Yeah, and then the spiritual essence to it gets taken out. That's why I really feel like war over religion is so inconsistent with spirituality because it at the basis of all great truths are is a same great truth, right, and you can i'de all the world religions, but there's always a mystical path that delves deeper into it. Right in Islam, you have Sufism, you have Christian mysticism, you have Kabbala. For Jews, they don't diverge as much as people think. It really is a deeper body of knowledge. And that's why I'm saying this language of numbers, I kept seeing pop up and spiritual rights hidden in their writings. Yeah, it was so similar across the world.
You know, it's so interesting.
I mean everything that you're saying, but one of the things, specifically, when you're speaking of the there's always a belief and then there's kind of more of a surface, mainstream, generalized way to interact with said belief, and then there is always a secret mystical path of interacting. And what I'm seeing as the difference in each is one of them gives you direct access to Creator and really activates you as a creator. And so some of the traditions that are done in like Sufism, in Kabbala and more of the mystical side of belief, it's an embody experience. A lot of those beliefs require your participation in ritual. In devotional practice, you're using your mind, your emotions, your physical body, and your spiritual soul, and those aren't activated in the other layer of belief in the way that a more generalized population is able to kind of interact with it.
That's correct. It's called the mystery teachings, and they've been around for thousands of years, and they've hidden their knowledge in certain writings and allegory and symbols. Yeah, and it was Carl Jung, the great nineteenth century godfather of psychoanalysis, but he also is a mystic in his own right. He used the term archetypes or symbols or images or pictures that have been a part of the human consciousness for thousands of years. And he believed that numbers were one of the prime archetypes or symbols of the universe of how all things connect together. And he said something to the effect that man did not invent numbers, They discovered what already existed. And I believe, after all, and I've studied so many things God knows over the last I don't want to say, well, we already know twenty five years, I've already dated myself. But over these last gazillion years I've been doing this. I studied everything I could get my hands on. I really wanted to know what was out there. And I did it because I truth is so important to me. And I devoted my life to understanding this craft to help people because and you said it, and I think it was really profound what you said earlier about that this mystical knowledge that the ancients had developed and understood was probably given to them by the divine and that what I've done is I've said, Okay, I'm going to do my best to understand this knowledge and devote myself to understanding this craft. And then I'm going to translate that in a way that the average person can use in their life. I'm going to speak to people and connect to people in a way that they can relate to. I'm going to learn how this system applies to all the modern life stuff that we go through, everything that you and I and everyone you know watching this has. We live in this modern world and there's a lot of unique lessons and issues that we go through, and everything is very confusing and crazy right now in the world. Right this is really timely for people to this and other things that they can get their hands on that this This is such a great tool to help you to understand and navigate as you called life, because it is a matrix and it is a lesson for us to be here. And once we understand what that is, we choose differently. We become conscious, and the.
Power is in choice always. Choice is creation.
What I've discovered is particularly these lesson numbers that we unconsciously are programmed. We carry this program and this it is an algorithm, and then we go out into the world and we're hardwired to attract certain dynamics. And so that's why certain types of relationships. Why am I attracted to this person? This person may me not be right for me, this might be toxic. Why did I stay in this relationship for this long? Why did I stay in that dead end job for so many years when I was unfulfilled? Why is it that I don't go for what I really want? Where is this fear coming from? Right? Why do certain types of things happen to me when I get to a certain point?
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Written in this storyline. Once you understand what the pattern is, Yes, stem from the unconscious becomes conscious, and then you become You become the numbers are not just attracting things in your life. You become the numbers, and you then are able to choose the numbers and metamorphosize and transform the numbers into their higher level. You become conscious of what's of your the universe that you've created around yourself, and then you can you have the right to choose and change and modify as free will as everything and co create who, And then you become the co creator with the universe. You know, the numbers come up.
Just speak in a language so deep.
The numbers come down, right, like in the matrix. Yes, and now suddenly you're dodging.
Bullets, yeah, flying all the codes.
Yeah, allegorically of course, but yeah, all the codes come down and you understand why. Yeah, and once you understand why, it's no longer this hidden secret to your life, and it can be a major eye opener.
You come into your power in so many different ways, and it makes this experience everything that you've just expressed I found in my life. It makes this experience of being alive, which is garanteed to be challenging. There will never be an experience here without challenge. But it gives you the way to kind of make what can be a Greek tragedy a comedy too. It can be fun too, It can be you just come into acceptance that it literally is what it is. And so how can you play with that? How can you make art with that? How can you create with that?
Deeply?
Well?
Okay, Josh, I would love I know you know my life path number. I do know, and we have the same life path number.
To the dumble digit.
Can you share with me.
I'll think about it.
Oh, come on, tell me the thanks.
So yeah, before I came here, I received your birthdate and I calculated your life path number. Now, I want to make this abundantly clear that there are five to six numbers in a chart that trying to decode a person with one number. Even the live path number is really not how the full process works. There's so much information that I don't have, but I can give you some general things about your live path number. And I happen to know it well because it's mine.
Yes, oh yes, And now I'm going to I know, I'm going.
To get like the gooey best of this because I know you've been studying yourself your whole life.
Yeah, lay it on me. So it's I don't think it's going to be a shock to you that your life path number, now, the proper breaking down of a life path number is is not a single digit number. So sometimes you see online or.
Yeah, they say get it down to just one number three.
So that's incorrect. Okay, So there are double digits that were added down. Now being able to add down in the proper way is the proper formula. These are something that I had to work out, you know, ten thousand years ago when I started this way. So your proper life path number is a forty seven eleven now traditionally, and there's some things and when I said the old school numerologists from back in the day that I moved on from and other things that I keep the tradition. Traditionally, when you have an eleven in the chart, we don't add that down to the two because we know we can add down one in one make two. So forty seven is just four plus seven is an eleven, right, And of course we could add down the one in one to two, but that misses the point. I keep the tradition of the eleven because it is considered a master number in numerology. Right now. Look back in the day, you know, these books were very hyperbolic, and you know, and the exaggerated things, and so it seemed like and if you had an eleven, you were the chosen one, and you walked on water and you you know, were able to raise people from the dead and things of this. Oh well, I mean you can't let me know. I like to see it.
I need to do some studying, man, let.
Me so, uh there, But yeah, I mean they talked really sort of this dramatic language back, you know, but people have elevens. However, it's not going to be shocking to you that eleven is sort of this number associated with people who are on a path of higher consciousness and then are considered messengers to the world. Right now, in the modern world, right, how do you get a message out? How do you shift people's consciousness? Well, you'd have to use some sort of media channel for that, right, So you were in the media. However, you know one can be in the media and not be involved in higher consciousness.
Oh yeah, to say the least, right, I'm like, that's why I left media.
But yeah, so I don't know the rest of your chart, but I can tell you that your higher well, part of your purpose in life was to elevate people's minds and shift people's consciousness. Now, what's interesting is that when you're an eleven and you're growing up, you don't understand that at first, and you feel like a little bit of a stranger in a strange land. Yeah, so you're not gonna fit in. Sometimes that can be a little wounding because we're not like others.
So wounding.
And it is interesting to note that an eleven can be read as a double one, and one can be a number of dynamic leadership. But you can add that down to a two. We know that two is there, and two can second guess things. And so until we learn to be fit vessels for these channeling of these inspirational ideas and these constant these things are coming to us. We're gonna have highs and lows were at times are going to feel like we're destined for things, and other times we're going to second guess why am I here? And you're gonna have a little bit more of that, you know, up and down until we find that balance and realize, okay, there is a purpose for us. Now. The four and the seven aspect of it is interesting because four is the foundation of your life. Right, You're sitting on four legs of a chair, right, And when we grow up, our stability and our foundation is very important. Do we feel grounded? Seven is a mysterious number. It does rule spirituality, but at first it usually challenges us any trust faction. Okay, So whenever four and seven is together, is there usually was some sort of perception or some sort of experience if there was some sort of trust or betrayal in the family environment. Okay, Now what that was, I don't know because they don't have the rest of your chart. But forty seven elevens at first may look to try to feed that wound outside of themselves until they come to realize that the only way to heal that wound is tough finding a deeper purpose in our lives.
Ooh yeah, because.
We can try to fill the void.
Absolutely, we can lost and.
We can get low in escapism and things that this. Sometimes forty seven eleven can bring a bit of escapists because I think the number doesn't like it initially, doesn't like the pain, it doesn't want, and it's looking for something else. But eventually they come to learn that a deeper path and that's the seven, which is spirituality or deeper truth, can help them build the foundation, right, and then they can develop trust trust in the process. Right, But before they get there. Forty seven elevens are definitely very imaginative and creative and they have a little bit of magic to them. They have to be careful that when they, you know, earlier relationships, that they don't project this imagination and these ideals onto others in the losory way where they set themselves up.
Yeah.
Yeah, because the.
End result of that can be a sense of the trust being broken because you didn't see them clearly. You sort of projected on these ideas onto them.
Yeah, And the idealistic view of that, because I think my escapism was fixing other people quote unquote, right, because you can't really do that. But it was like the some of the self righteousness of finding solutions and being a fixer and saving you know, someone saving others And that's not the path.
And yeah, well again that might you know, if I had the rest of your numbers, we'd be able to delve into that. But usually that there's certain numbers that are associated with with you know, I call that performing for love or helping others. But remember, until we find our higher path, we have a tendency to take our path numbers and utilize them on a personal, dysfunctional level. Right, So you're here to elevate and awaken people, but back then you were doing that on a personal level. And of course when you when you take that higher path and you put it in the personal and a dysfunctional manner, what's going to happen is that it's going to lead to disappointment.
Absolutely, and it's all ego and it's transcending.
Yeah, that for how you're actually built to share.
I'm sorry, cute, Well that's interesting you say ego, because when you have a double one, it is there is a strong sense of dynamic self that has to come through in what you do. But it's important to understand that you're here as a messenger, You're a conduit. So Yan Levin's have these insights and revelations in life, and there'll always a little bit of a nervous energy because there's all these creative ideas and downloads happening. For an eleven, it's it can happen when you're walking down the street.
It's a lot, it's a it's a lot.
I feel like I have to have a separate workout routine, yeah, you know, literally and and not but to just support the amount of thinking I do.
So another thing is that for as an analytical number, and at seven is a thirst for knowledge and combined with the eleven, that can bring an active mind, you know. But but the with those double ones confidence and leadership, right, but the two is assistance to help and support. And there's this polarity there, and I think the pathway is not to overidentify with yourself, right, to identify with a message that's coming through, right, And once you do that, you can you can go out and be a dynamic figure without making it about you. Yeah, and that's always important. For an eleven. Right, it's it's you. You're a condo, You're you're here to bring this message to other people. And look what I do. I'm a forty seven eleven. I'm a I'm an ethnumerologist, which is so weird for my family, even after all these years. I'm like, God, that's so weird. But it is what it is. It's because elevens are interested in alternative things, unique concepts, things that are off the beaten paths, self help, this kind of thing. It depends on the chart. I've seen numbers where eleven can associate with futuristic technology if the rest of the numbers support that. Right. So, but you're obviously in a line of work that is totally consistent with your life path. I can feel confident about that, right. And some of the things that you've experienced ear in your life, you probably did play out some of the escapism.
In them, Yeah, you know, absolutely, and.
You probably may have replayed some of the trust stuff, you know. Oh yes, and that's okay. See, it's okay to do what your numbers say you're gonna do. It's okay. I get people permission to have these lessons and play things out.
I love how you're saying this piece, especially because you know that the part that it's just not true for anyone is that there will be a life without challenge. And I think so many run around trying to find all these bombs and solves to stop pain or to stop challenge in their life, and it will never work because we are here for both. We're here for the full spectrum of human experience. We're here for both polarities light, dark, the blend of the in between. And so this tool, the way that you're expressing this deeper knowledge, it's so beautiful.
To find out what your wounding is.
It doesn't have to be embarrassment, it doesn't have to be oh yeah.
And then I found.
Myself in this situation, in this situation because of the original pain, and it's kind of it's more, it can be more felt as Wow, that was the wound. Oh, and that's why I made that choice, and that's how I was in this circumstance, of course, and then you come into an acceptance, you come into neutrality. This alleviates judgment. You cannot create with judgment. We are here to create.
You were doing exactly what you were supposed to do.
Yeah. Oh, that's so beautiful.
Everyone listening, sit in what Josh just said.
When you think.
About some of the moments that have shame to them, some of the moments that have a gainstness of self to them, some of the unforgiven experiences in your life and the way you view yourself, there is opportunity to create some space. And this may take a little practice, and that is fine.
We have time to be able to say.
I was doing exactly what I was supposed to be doing in that moment that wounding, that experience that I still cringe about or that I feel horrified about. It might take some releasing and configuring. But when you settle into a space of saying I was doing exactly what I signed up to do with who I signed up to do it with, that leads to freedom. That leads to liberation every single time. And there is a walk to the liberation. But if you stay in practice with it, and you just stay present and bear witness to it all, there is freedom.
Not only will you say I find to be true born out by thousands of sessions, but it's that road that will lead you to your higher path. There's a payoff for that see once you understand why it was that this whole Shakespeare and drama took place. However wounding it was, or I'm traumatizing it was, or how are embarrassed or cringe worthy, or whatever it might have been, it was because of a program in you, a distortion in your field of thinking, a part of your earlier childhood, wounding patterns, formative stages of development, whatever you want to call them. You're just reenacting your program. But the program was already given to you at birth, so it is meant to happen. I've had clients come to me. I had a client come to me, and she had a history of attracting narcissists. Right. By the way, when you have the number one and an eleven can be considered a double one, you can attract narcissists, right because one represents the dynamic self, and we're still learning how to be our dynamic self and attract others that are overly self oriented. But I digress. But she was. I could tell her level of development. One of the things I do is I go back in time and I look at certain years. There's these numerological cycles, and it's not like psychic predictions. It's just that these cycles tend to accentuate certain parts of our lives. And I was able to ask targeted questions and say, did something like this happen? And you know, and a lot of the time we'll see the results of that. Right, something did happen like that, But they had to go through that. I could see it in the numbers. It was so I'm saying this that so I'm saying it's a matrix I've seen I appeared beyond the veil. I get it now. I've said too many cases where I've seen this, right, So in your life, when you go through these experiences, that's a part of the process. That is the normal part of the process. And this girl came to me and she had a history of narcissism with these other men that choose, and I could tell she needed to learn more about it. I actually suggested that this man was pursuing her and who is a well known narcissist. He's literally known for that. And I actually said, you know what, if you stay conscious and aware of what you're doing, I think you should engage in a relationship with them. And she looked at me, she said, but you told me I have this issue, and here it is again, and you're telling me to engage in it. And it was my belief at that time that she needed to go through that I actually suggested she did, and I said, I'll see you in two years, And she said why in two years? And I said you'll see now. Of course, I didn't know for sure of saying statistically speaking, looking at the numbers, looking at the cycles, that there was a high likelihood of a breakup. Then I didn't know for sure, and I said i'll see you into at least there would be, you know, trouble in paradise, and she'd probably come to me anyways. So two years later she came to me with another girl and they sat down with me and she said, I want you introduce my new friend. This was a woman that this narcissist was also having an affair with at the same time. And they met each other, Oh wow, and they became friends, and they both realized they got to quit this program that they'reen playing out. So they both left and they became friends. And they both came to me and said, we're now ready to talk about why we do this.
Deeply, I have a question two your cycles it's so funny that you bring this up, because I haven't yet got into the research about this piece, but I was speaking to a friend about it a couple days ago.
I find that two year cycles everywhere, Like in my own life.
I find it when I meet people, I'm like, oh, I'm not going to see you again for two years.
What is this two year cycle?
Well, numerology, as far as the cycles work, work in cycles of nine years, which is like a full cycle, and it's the full single digits one through nine. Right when you get to the next year. After a nine year, you go back to one again. And there are cases where people have in their lesson numbers two numbers that are chronologically right after each other. So let's say you have a combination of six and seven, these two numbers and your ultimate goal lessons which I don't see that. I can't see that right now. Right, Well, the way cycles work is that you're going to go from a six year to a seven year in your nine year cycle, and those two years are going to be very powerful for you. Right Also, when you go from a nine year back to one year, when you start an entirely new nine year cycle, that's always a big. I call that the Grand transitional cycle, and it really is two years. It's not a one year cycle. It's two years. The other thing is that cycles are they don't start on your birthday to your birthday like some numeral. I just believe there is a lead in prior, usually by now. And it's interesting because I did look at your cycles, look at them, and so right about now we actually start to pick up on next year. Cycles blend into each other. It doesn't go from January first to December thirty first and you go out to have a bunch of champagne and have a good time, and you wake up the next morning a little bit of hangover, and everything's changed in your new cycle. Usually there's a lead in, and also there's a carryover. Right so right about now, I usually say around October ish, give you take a month or two, we'll start to pick up on the next year's cycle. Now for you, it's very important because the cycle you're going into now, let me tell you this. I used to go on Wikipedia, and I used to pick people of you know, fame or notoriety that and where I could confirm what their birthdate was and then look at their storyline of when they got their first big break, when they got their first leading role, or when they got their you know, published their first book, or had big changes when they got discovered. So because I could see if there was any statistical reference to when these types of things happen for people. Wow, right now, I can tell you that when we're looking at these kind of cycles, when things tend to happen under certain cycles. It's not a one hundred percent it always happened underneath this cycle. But I did notice that there were three cycles where there are bigger changes in a person's life when it came to career. That is five, eight and elevens, which is a form of a two five eight, And it kept popping up over and over again. Okay, Now there's reasons for that, and that is that five is a cycle of well, it's the breaker of the status quo, and it brings in a restless energy and usually there are new opportunities and new possibilities because you're willing to make some moves in life, right, and because of that, sometimes it just attracts opportunities to you because you're ready for them. It's a timing thing in the universe, right. Sometimes people consciously make decisions and say I'm ready to try out some new things or five can also rule risk and speculation, it can rule marketing, promoting of new ideas. It can will travel and adventure. There's all these things that come with the number five. And so it's not shocking that we'll see in certain you know, people's lives that bigger breaks or changes happen in a five cycle. You're going into a five cycle.
You like the dramaticism, Yes, God, what does it mean?
So what it means is that again I would have liked to have your full chart so I could delve deeper. But what it means is that this is this is the beginning of a cycle, and this is the precursor to that cycle. It's going to get stronger when you get into twenty four, right, But this is the timeframe when you're going to be ready for some bigger things in life, bigger changes. Now that can mean opportunities come for you to do what you do in a new way. That can mean that you might have other projects that you've been working on the side, which typically happens in the cycle you've been in. Again, it's not that I know every little detail that's going to happen in everyone's life. Sometimes it may seem that way if when I'm doing a person's chart, but I don't what I'm telling you is that, statistically speaking, usually that's the kind of thing that happens. My job isn't to know all things of every aspect of a person's life. My job is to help you understand your patterns, break those patterns, and open the door to really integrating the parts of yourself that wasn't supported. And everything sort of changes from that. Right, you attract a different kind of person, You start to fulfill yourself in your career. You start to realize that you have the kakamamie ideas about yourself that are ridiculous, and we all have that. I mean, God knows the stuff that I grew up with. I mean I was raised by a vulcan. You know. My mother was sort of spock, and I didn't get any of that emotional stuff, So I had a lot of wounds with that. I didn't get into this work because I didn't have wounds, I didn't get into this work. I was literally taken as a child, as newborn infant, and taken and given to another family. At day one, and I think that was probably wounding for me, you know, at an age when I wasn't even really aware of things. So I understand why all of us why we're here. And I have a lot of empathy and sympathy for people, and my work really is to, you know, help people find just I get it. I actually get I get this thing called life because I not because I think I'm the wisest person because of you and you and you. I've worked with lots of other people and I've learned from their storylines and I gathered research and I go and I made a mental note of that. Right, it's your time right now in your life. It's just the way it works for you to start taking off of some of these other things. This is the launching pad right now, and it's about you know, whether you're ready to go for the next stage. The timing is just typically what happens underneath this cycle. Right, So we're going to remember that you're the messenger. You're going to remember that you have you're here to uplift others and shift people's consciousness and so on and so forth. You're going to trust in your process because you're going to do the step by step process in life, and you're not going to skip steps, and you're not going to live in the this up here. You're gonna keep it, you're gonna take it from you're going to you're gonna bring it down right, and you're not going to over identify with with yourself. But you're going to realize that you're here for a very special purpose and that's that's a beautiful thing. And it's time for you to now make some bigger moves and changes in your life. That's just what it's supposed to be.
Wow.
All right, ooh, I'm so happy to meet you.
No feelings mutual.
My goodness, Josh, thank you so much for your work, Thank you for your expertise, thank you for your mastery, Thank you for your mastery and everything that that requires of the human and the soul.
Yeah, I appreciate that. You know. I've I've devoted my life to this and I think you know, we talked about the timing, right, Yeah, So I'm just coming out of my eleven year. I'm an eleven life path like you, and we talked about five eights and elevens, these numbers that I keep seeing over and over again in my research. And so this is why I'm here, is that I'm writing a book on this, and I'm I'm ready to take it out into the world and share this knowledge with people and with a humble sense of service and make sure I keep my integrity and all the work that I've done. I think it's ready now to be shared. I'm happy to be here to share it with you.
Thank you. How lucky are we?
How lucky are we to be on the receiving end of this work. I cannot wait to dive into more of your work, to dive into everything that you'll be creating.
Wow.
So, Josh, I would love to ask if you could share with the audience listening a little soul work, something that they can integrate with work towards embodiment until our next episode.
Okay, So I think it's a it's an internal question and ask yourself, what is it about your hopes and dreams that drives you so much? What is it about your hopes and dreams that you are attracted to? And then ask yourself, are those aspects that you are embodying in your life now?
And if you're not, why this was really special and amazing and I'm just again, I cannot understate like the most attractive.
Thing to me in life, in everyone and everything and in every experience, is mastery. It's the commitment to the refinement and to the nuance and to getting into the crevices of a work that you're called to. And mastery is such a rare path, especially in this day and age. And this is not to take away from some of the really beautiful peer learning, teaching and sharing that is happening all over the internet. That is so important because it's grounding work. It's opening people in ways, giving them language and interpretations. But don't like partially learn something that you're called to anyone listening, anyone that may need this kind of a message. Dive in face first, and it doesn't matter if the rest of the world gets it. They'll catch up if they're supposed to. Your life is more than this exact moment. There may be a work that you build or a study that you connect to that isn't even unearthed for two hundred years. But then your journal becomes sacred text. We don't know.
So just do the work.
Do it well, do it with integrity, and do it with as little egoic connection to trend and to mainstream.
As you possibly can.
Josh, how can everyone connect with you?
Yeah, I have a website joshcode dot com coode because it is a code. Josh is doing it. I think it was my mom. We came up with that years ago.
I love that.
God Rest Soul. But yeah, people can go on book book sessions on my website and book reading.
Amazing, and we'll have all of that.
If you're listening, especially on Apple, it'll be in the summary notes of this episode. Really easy will be a click through link to Josh's Instagram and Josh's website.
Highly encourage.
I don't know what your books look like this time of the year, but highly encourage if you resonate, get on the website and try to get you a session and walk into this new year with the with a little extra start early so you're starting this new year already connected to what your path is and what your path can be.
Thank you, Josh. Welcome now, Mistangs Days Day.
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