Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it.

Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it.

Now, release slowly again, deep in, helle hold release, repeating internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply, deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply.

Now, release slowly again, deep in, helle hold release, repeating internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply, deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply.

Well.

Well.

I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care.

Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care.

I'm Debbie Brown.

I'm Debbie Brown.

This is where we heal, this is where we become. Welcome back to the show. This week is all about creativity. We are in a very, very very potent new year. It's twenty twenty four at the time of recording this show, which numerologically speaking is an eight year, which is all about completion, new beginnings, things sprouting, and it's really a potent time to trust and unleash your creativity and your creative mastery. So today's episode, I'm very excited. We have a special, special special guest who I have a story to share a little bit later. Was a big part of my journey. Our special guest today is Goopoly, a versatile artist known for her roles. As a singer, songwriter, producer, entrepreneur, and humanitarian, she has firmly established herself as one of the most prolific figures in R and B and soul music today. Her seventh and most introspective album, Colors, consisting of eight tracks, was released in November under her indie label sky Blaze Recordings, promising a sensual and unforgettable experience. Hailing from Oakland, Guoppoly's unique background as the daughter of a South African father who escaped apartheid and a New York born German Jewish mother, has shaped her journey. Her musical roots and education at the Berkeley School of Music have inspired her to craft powerful songs that delve into life's intricacies with a relatable and precise approach. This artistic prowess was evident in her iconic two thousand and one breakthrough hit Closer. Guappoly's innovative approach extends beyond her music, as she plans to elevate the Color's album by fusing it with color, tone sense, and aesthetic apparel, creating an immersive sensory experience. As an artist with synesthesia, the ability to experience one of your senses through Another Wow. She has curated scented candles and apparel through her her lifestyle brand dream Seekers, adding a unique dimension to her artistry.

This is where we heal, this is where we become. Welcome back to the show. This week is all about creativity. We are in a very, very very potent new year. It's twenty twenty four at the time of recording this show, which numerologically speaking is an eight year, which is all about completion, new beginnings, things sprouting, and it's really a potent time to trust and unleash your creativity and your creative mastery. So today's episode, I'm very excited. We have a special, special special guest who I have a story to share a little bit later. Was a big part of my journey. Our special guest today is Goopoly, a versatile artist known for her roles. As a singer, songwriter, producer, entrepreneur, and humanitarian, she has firmly established herself as one of the most prolific figures in R and B and soul music today. Her seventh and most introspective album, Colors, consisting of eight tracks, was released in November under her indie label sky Blaze Recordings, promising a sensual and unforgettable experience. Hailing from Oakland, Guoppoly's unique background as the daughter of a South African father who escaped apartheid and a New York born German Jewish mother, has shaped her journey. Her musical roots and education at the Berkeley School of Music have inspired her to craft powerful songs that delve into life's intricacies with a relatable and precise approach. This artistic prowess was evident in her iconic two thousand and one breakthrough hit Closer. Guappoly's innovative approach extends beyond her music, as she plans to elevate the Color's album by fusing it with color, tone sense, and aesthetic apparel, creating an immersive sensory experience. As an artist with synesthesia, the ability to experience one of your senses through Another Wow. She has curated scented candles and apparel through her her lifestyle brand dream Seekers, adding a unique dimension to her artistry.

Welcome to the show, Go Waffle, thank you, Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to have you here.

Welcome to the show, Go Waffle, thank you, Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to have you here.

And I just have to kick this show off by telling you I will never forget where I was, who I was.

And I just have to kick this show off by telling you I will never forget where I was, who I was.

And what I was doing.

And what I was doing.

The very first time I heard Closer It will make me cry right now. I was in college, and I think I first connected to the song in my freshman year, which was two thousand and three, and that was actually one of the breakthrough years for the Bay Area in music. Like I remember, my freshman year was filled with you know, the Hyphie movement, and like so many of my peers in school came from like Valleo, they came from Oakland, they came from the Bay.

The very first time I heard Closer It will make me cry right now. I was in college, and I think I first connected to the song in my freshman year, which was two thousand and three, and that was actually one of the breakthrough years for the Bay Area in music. Like I remember, my freshman year was filled with you know, the Hyphie movement, and like so many of my peers in school came from like Valleo, they came from Oakland, they came from the Bay.

Yeah. So we were always.

Yeah. So we were always.

Driving up and down and I was really exposed to the vibrant music scene that was happening in Oakland and all over the Bay. But I remember, you know, I mean, your freshman year of college is such a pivotal moment in life anyway. But I was also going through so much at the time, someone I deeply love their life was taken. I had a few other kind of traumatizing things happen in that space, and I was trying to figure out how to kind of go into the world alone with these big dreams I couldn't even name quite yet. And I remember I was sitting on the floor of like my dorm, and I was playing the radio because you used to do that back Okay, all the songs there were not even like iPods like you know, And so I remember that song came on and my eyes just filled with tears and I just I couldn't describe it.

Driving up and down and I was really exposed to the vibrant music scene that was happening in Oakland and all over the Bay. But I remember, you know, I mean, your freshman year of college is such a pivotal moment in life anyway. But I was also going through so much at the time, someone I deeply love their life was taken. I had a few other kind of traumatizing things happen in that space, and I was trying to figure out how to kind of go into the world alone with these big dreams I couldn't even name quite yet. And I remember I was sitting on the floor of like my dorm, and I was playing the radio because you used to do that back Okay, all the songs there were not even like iPods like you know, And so I remember that song came on and my eyes just filled with tears and I just I couldn't describe it.

I was like, what is this?

I was like, what is this?

And it took like my friend group, it took the school by storm, like I remember, like all of us were just like, oh my god, closer, Like it was the song. It was just the song that spoke to like the truth of our hearts and that time, you know, and so many of us were just so moved by it. So you know, I've had the chance to connect with your work and even run into you over the years, but that moment in time, like that what you birthed into the world with that song, and I was listening to it recently, I still listened to it all the time. It was just it's just profound. It was just such a medicine you gifted us with and thank you.

And it took like my friend group, it took the school by storm, like I remember, like all of us were just like, oh my god, closer, Like it was the song. It was just the song that spoke to like the truth of our hearts and that time, you know, and so many of us were just so moved by it. So you know, I've had the chance to connect with your work and even run into you over the years, but that moment in time, like that what you birthed into the world with that song, and I was listening to it recently, I still listened to it all the time. It was just it's just profound. It was just such a medicine you gifted us with and thank you.

I'll just never forget it. So thanks. Oh my god.

I'll just never forget it. So thanks. Oh my god.

I just love how vivid it was and that you could remember the exact moment. That's that's huge for me, you know, because we even want to cry so bad. We've read we run into each other over the years. We were trying to figure out how long it's been. But I also just watch you out in the world, and you know, your clips come up for me and just like inspiring moments. So I love that I get to be a part of your journey. Thank you, you know, thank you, thank you so much.

I just love how vivid it was and that you could remember the exact moment. That's that's huge for me, you know, because we even want to cry so bad. We've read we run into each other over the years. We were trying to figure out how long it's been. But I also just watch you out in the world, and you know, your clips come up for me and just like inspiring moments. So I love that I get to be a part of your journey. Thank you, you know, thank you, thank you so much.

Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh.

Okay, so just I mean I have everywhere I want to go, but just off your bio alone, I'm really fascinated by your background because you have South African apartheid, yeah, and you have German jew in your ancestry. Yes, and those are you know, when we think about the plights of human in this current iteration of human history of civilization, I mean, those two lineages are just it's just some of the most like painful persecution. How does that show up spiritually for you? You know, that's that's quite a week to be a blend of those backgrounds, you know.

Okay, so just I mean I have everywhere I want to go, but just off your bio alone, I'm really fascinated by your background because you have South African apartheid, yeah, and you have German jew in your ancestry. Yes, and those are you know, when we think about the plights of human in this current iteration of human history of civilization, I mean, those two lineages are just it's just some of the most like painful persecution. How does that show up spiritually for you? You know, that's that's quite a week to be a blend of those backgrounds, you know.

Yeah, that's a great question, and you know, thinking about it now, I'm like, I don't know if he saw the movie Origin, but basically both sides of my family have been deeply affected by the cast system, you know what I mean.

Yeah, that's a great question, and you know, thinking about it now, I'm like, I don't know if he saw the movie Origin, but basically both sides of my family have been deeply affected by the cast system, you know what I mean.

It's beyond race.

It's beyond race.

And my father who grew up in South Africa, Black South African, you know, under the apartheid system and left the country.

And my father who grew up in South Africa, Black South African, you know, under the apartheid system and left the country.

Illegally when that was going on.

Illegally when that was going on.

And wasn't able then to go back until like you know, twenty nine years later when things changed and he passed away, but he got to live in a free South Africa, thank god. And my mom's family, you know, my grandmother escape Nazi Germany as a teenager and.

And wasn't able then to go back until like you know, twenty nine years later when things changed and he passed away, but he got to live in a free South Africa, thank god. And my mom's family, you know, my grandmother escape Nazi Germany as a teenager and.

Later on.

Later on.

Had my mom, And it's really interesting right now to think of you know, she grew up in what was Palestine when she moved there and it was a safe place for them, and then no, I'm sorry, Mike, my her elder brother ten years older, it was Palestine and then the same address ten years later was Israel. Yeah, you know, so there's the power struggle in that that it was a safe place for them, but now you know, we see more and more it was at the cost of displacing other people and that So it's been really I've been reflecting on it a lot lately, you know, like about my lineage and just like what to be grateful for what's changed, and like the struggles that are still there and the power struggles that are still there. I think spiritually you're asking how it's informed me. I would say it gives me a wide perspective, and I think it has pushed I would say compassion is probably the biggest spiritual gift that it's taught me. And to also know and trust that things can change even when it feels hopeless. Because when I was a kid, you know, there were songs like free Nelson Mandela, you know that Kimasa Kelly would sing and Mandela was in.

Had my mom, And it's really interesting right now to think of you know, she grew up in what was Palestine when she moved there and it was a safe place for them, and then no, I'm sorry, Mike, my her elder brother ten years older, it was Palestine and then the same address ten years later was Israel. Yeah, you know, so there's the power struggle in that that it was a safe place for them, but now you know, we see more and more it was at the cost of displacing other people and that So it's been really I've been reflecting on it a lot lately, you know, like about my lineage and just like what to be grateful for what's changed, and like the struggles that are still there and the power struggles that are still there. I think spiritually you're asking how it's informed me. I would say it gives me a wide perspective, and I think it has pushed I would say compassion is probably the biggest spiritual gift that it's taught me. And to also know and trust that things can change even when it feels hopeless. Because when I was a kid, you know, there were songs like free Nelson Mandela, you know that Kimasa Kelly would sing and Mandela was in.

Jail for almost thirty years, and it.

Jail for almost thirty years, and it.

Just kind of seem you know, we'd always be like free Mondela and like, you know that thinking the apartheid system would one day end.

Just kind of seem you know, we'd always be like free Mondela and like, you know that thinking the apartheid system would one day end.

But it took so many years. It took so many.

But it took so many years. It took so many.

Years that at times it just seemed like it was a piece of hope and just trying to be optimistic, but to be able to witness that change and know that like perseverance is possible if you just stay steady. Is like it's a reminder to me when it seems like a system is never gonna change and people are never gonna change and opportunities will never come and there's still a lot of imbalance. But definitely for the generations that followed have got a different experience.

Years that at times it just seemed like it was a piece of hope and just trying to be optimistic, but to be able to witness that change and know that like perseverance is possible if you just stay steady. Is like it's a reminder to me when it seems like a system is never gonna change and people are never gonna change and opportunities will never come and there's still a lot of imbalance. But definitely for the generations that followed have got a different experience.

I was just yeah, I was just gonna say that too. It's like, I think part of kind of seeing outside of yourself in the bigger role that we're playing in this experience on Earth.

I was just yeah, I was just gonna say that too. It's like, I think part of kind of seeing outside of yourself in the bigger role that we're playing in this experience on Earth.

It's like.

It's like.

Having, you know, having gratitude in your heart even when the change doesn't get to affect your life, owing that.

Having, you know, having gratitude in your heart even when the change doesn't get to affect your life, owing that.

It will one day. It'll one day come. It might not be in your lifetime.

It will one day. It'll one day come. It might not be in your lifetime.

Yes, yeah, Yeah, It's like that's the space where it's you just have to really stand and the truth of something in the fight of something, and you know, the the all the strength within the lineage of it will come. I may not get the benefits of it, but anything I'm doing now is for the advancement.

Yes, yeah, Yeah, It's like that's the space where it's you just have to really stand and the truth of something in the fight of something, and you know, the the all the strength within the lineage of it will come. I may not get the benefits of it, but anything I'm doing now is for the advancement.

It will be done. Yes, yeah, ooh, I like that. It's like, you know, it's that it will be done like that when I.

It will be done. Yes, yeah, ooh, I like that. It's like, you know, it's that it will be done like that when I.

Think of like South Africa, especially like I named my son after Mandela.

Think of like South Africa, especially like I named my son after Mandela.

His middle name is Mandela.

His middle name is Mandela.

Yes, I've just been like so high quest if you see this ever in the future time your mother loves you.

Yes, I've just been like so high quest if you see this ever in the future time your mother loves you.

The thing that is just I don't even know how to like, I don't even have.

The thing that is just I don't even know how to like, I don't even have.

Words for what is Nelson Mandela right, like, because if you think we're just starting to understand mental health, and something that we know now is that if you are put in solitary confinement like up to a year, your mental health can be gravely affected.

Words for what is Nelson Mandela right, like, because if you think we're just starting to understand mental health, and something that we know now is that if you are put in solitary confinement like up to a year, your mental health can be gravely affected.

Maybe even a month, maybe even a month, like it can be irreparable.

Maybe even a month, maybe even a month, like it can be irreparable.

Yeah, and think of Nelson Mandela being in his cell alone. You know, I don't know if he was in solitary his entire confinement, but he was. He was alone for.

Yeah, and think of Nelson Mandela being in his cell alone. You know, I don't know if he was in solitary his entire confinement, but he was. He was alone for.

Thirty years, thirty thirty thirty. It's some people's lifetime. Some people don't even get to live longer than thirty years.

Thirty years, thirty thirty thirty. It's some people's lifetime. Some people don't even get to live longer than thirty years.

And he didn't get out and go into go to a retreat, right like, he get out of that thirty year experience of not having his entire family being oppressed in a way there is no freedom from. Yeah, he didn't go into a therapy session. He got out and ran a country with the mission of love.

And he didn't get out and go into go to a retreat, right like, he get out of that thirty year experience of not having his entire family being oppressed in a way there is no freedom from. Yeah, he didn't go into a therapy session. He got out and ran a country with the mission of love.

With and with mental sharpness, yes, composure, charm, charm, oh my god, you know and yeah, and I think the whole time he must have been knowing, trusting it would become. Yeah, you know, it wasn't like he was just thinking this current reality is just this is going to be the reality. He was always thinking, like the people want me, and I will be running this country. And you know, I'm sure doing so many things that sustained him and preparing knowing he'd be released and to go. But you're right, yeah, I don't.

With and with mental sharpness, yes, composure, charm, charm, oh my god, you know and yeah, and I think the whole time he must have been knowing, trusting it would become. Yeah, you know, it wasn't like he was just thinking this current reality is just this is going to be the reality. He was always thinking, like the people want me, and I will be running this country. And you know, I'm sure doing so many things that sustained him and preparing knowing he'd be released and to go. But you're right, yeah, I don't.

Who could do that? Who else could do that?

Who could do that? Who else could do that?

Right, it's such a supernatural level of grace, compassion and purpose and fortitude, Like it's just yes, yeah, it's incomparable. But thank you for sharing those parts of your because you know, I think we're in a time right now where, gratefully we have deeper understanding on the fact that trauma lives in our bodies and it affects us, and that there is intergenerational trauma, passed down trauma and cesstral trauma, so these are things that we're unpacking and when you look at the roots of that, that's it's just that's quite a substantial kind of incarnation to walk into with having those experiences on both sides of your lineage. Yeah, I think the more each of us can kind of explore, well, what culturally, what has been living in the bodies of my parents, you know, what were the experiences and really what is the psychological effect that that has as it's passed down. It's just it's fascinating.

Right, it's such a supernatural level of grace, compassion and purpose and fortitude, Like it's just yes, yeah, it's incomparable. But thank you for sharing those parts of your because you know, I think we're in a time right now where, gratefully we have deeper understanding on the fact that trauma lives in our bodies and it affects us, and that there is intergenerational trauma, passed down trauma and cesstral trauma, so these are things that we're unpacking and when you look at the roots of that, that's it's just that's quite a substantial kind of incarnation to walk into with having those experiences on both sides of your lineage. Yeah, I think the more each of us can kind of explore, well, what culturally, what has been living in the bodies of my parents, you know, what were the experiences and really what is the psychological effect that that has as it's passed down. It's just it's fascinating.

Yeah, And I think one of the things, one of the greatest gifts I think from South African culture is music and harmony and songs that I grew up to. Honestly, we're banned in South Africa at that time, but you know, Mary and mckayba, all these different folks could share the music and talk about the realities outside of South Africa, you know, And so I think for me it was like, you know, I'd listen to those artists and Stevie Wonder and Bob Marley and different people and just think, like, with good music you can always you can also have a message and it's not like everything has to be like that, you know what I mean, some stuff is just to feel good or be a vibe or whatever. But the activism and art can go hand in hand, you know.

Yeah, And I think one of the things, one of the greatest gifts I think from South African culture is music and harmony and songs that I grew up to. Honestly, we're banned in South Africa at that time, but you know, Mary and mckayba, all these different folks could share the music and talk about the realities outside of South Africa, you know, And so I think for me it was like, you know, I'd listen to those artists and Stevie Wonder and Bob Marley and different people and just think, like, with good music you can always you can also have a message and it's not like everything has to be like that, you know what I mean, some stuff is just to feel good or be a vibe or whatever. But the activism and art can go hand in hand, you know.

So that brings me to the way that you create. You know.

So that brings me to the way that you create. You know.

One of the things that is mentioned here, I am so not familiar with how do you experience.

One of the things that is mentioned here, I am so not familiar with how do you experience.

SYNESI just I only learn the word not that long ago because I think I was reading something about Pharrell or something who said he has synesesion. He was describing he sees music or something like that, and I was like, oh, my gosh, I didn't know there was a name for this, because for me, when I hear sounds, it's just kind of like maybe an extra filter. Yeah, of that it might be associated with a color or a texture or which is like it's it's not always like that it looks amazing, but it's just like certain things are going to be a little more in harmony and work together and certain things and I'd be like, oh, like that's clashing to me, not just on a sonic level, but visually not going together, and like words and letters and numbers have colors and I just see it. So it's just a subconscious kind of thing. But I think, as you know, now you said you heard Closer in two thousand and three. So it's been like I've been in this for a minute, and I think I want to inspire other people, but I also want to be inspired, and I want to share my music and creativity in new ways. So with this project, I was like, can I somehow help people see the music the way that I see it and feel it, you know? And it took me a long time to even put into words how I would do that, Like how can it be tangible? And so I created like the songs kind of are grouped in different color tones in my mind, and there's three different color sense.

SYNESI just I only learn the word not that long ago because I think I was reading something about Pharrell or something who said he has synesesion. He was describing he sees music or something like that, and I was like, oh, my gosh, I didn't know there was a name for this, because for me, when I hear sounds, it's just kind of like maybe an extra filter. Yeah, of that it might be associated with a color or a texture or which is like it's it's not always like that it looks amazing, but it's just like certain things are going to be a little more in harmony and work together and certain things and I'd be like, oh, like that's clashing to me, not just on a sonic level, but visually not going together, and like words and letters and numbers have colors and I just see it. So it's just a subconscious kind of thing. But I think, as you know, now you said you heard Closer in two thousand and three. So it's been like I've been in this for a minute, and I think I want to inspire other people, but I also want to be inspired, and I want to share my music and creativity in new ways. So with this project, I was like, can I somehow help people see the music the way that I see it and feel it, you know? And it took me a long time to even put into words how I would do that, Like how can it be tangible? And so I created like the songs kind of are grouped in different color tones in my mind, and there's three different color sense.

Now I can give you the gift I wanted.

Now I can give you the gift I wanted.

I've been like the saving from when I came on the show, and I love sense, which was so wonderful because when I came in here, it smelled so good, you guys.

I've been like the saving from when I came on the show, and I love sense, which was so wonderful because when I came in here, it smelled so good, you guys.

What is all this beautiful stuff? Oh my god?

What is all this beautiful stuff? Oh my god?

I wanted something like Okay, so for the first or the current song right now is purple, and the through the music like lyrically the vibe, I feel like it should smell like that.

I wanted something like Okay, so for the first or the current song right now is purple, and the through the music like lyrically the vibe, I feel like it should smell like that.

Wow, I love your reactions.

Wow, I love your reactions.

It yeah, moaning in the.

It yeah, moaning in the.

Streets and it's like What does it smell like to you? Not tell you what it is.

Streets and it's like What does it smell like to you? Not tell you what it is.

It smells like freedom, Like I feel like I'm in kind of like this open state of being almost like kind of in the void, but it's it's also like a blooming field.

It smells like freedom, Like I feel like I'm in kind of like this open state of being almost like kind of in the void, but it's it's also like a blooming field.

Ooh.

Ooh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It just feels like it's inside of you and outside of you.

It just feels like it's inside of you and outside of you.

Yeah sometime, yes, Okay, good because I was going for something atmospheric that kind of brings you in.

Yeah sometime, yes, Okay, good because I was going for something atmospheric that kind of brings you in.

And so beautiful. Thank you.

And so beautiful. Thank you.

The song was kind of influenced by Prince, which I feel like creatively it's like something that I tap into a lot when I'm working on a song because I feel like there's something.

The song was kind of influenced by Prince, which I feel like creatively it's like something that I tap into a lot when I'm working on a song because I feel like there's something.

Did you and Prince collaborate? We talked about collaborating.

Did you and Prince collaborate? We talked about collaborating.

We never got in the studio, but I do perform at his club at thirty one twenty one one time and he, you know, came on stage and played on Crushed Out. I'm like, there's a there's a recording of that somewhere and then you know, other jam sessions.

We never got in the studio, but I do perform at his club at thirty one twenty one one time and he, you know, came on stage and played on Crushed Out. I'm like, there's a there's a recording of that somewhere and then you know, other jam sessions.

But this is what purple shit feel like, this silky texture.

But this is what purple shit feel like, this silky texture.

And you're sleeping and go out any whatever, Wow, this is gorgeous. Yeah, and it's one hundred percent silk, so it feels good, but it's like electric book comforting.

And you're sleeping and go out any whatever, Wow, this is gorgeous. Yeah, and it's one hundred percent silk, so it feels good, but it's like electric book comforting.

It's such a beautiful shade. It's very supernatural. Yeah, this is so beautiful.

It's such a beautiful shade. It's very supernatural. Yeah, this is so beautiful.

Yeah, so this is like what I've been working on to articulate for a long time, Like during the pandemic, you know, when I was like doing private shows for my living room, you know, for for different organizations and and different stuff like that, and waiting to be in person with people. I mean that was like the strangest experience ever. But I was like, how can there be something where people can walk away from a show and still feel connected somehow to the vibe? Like how can I go past just T shirts and stuff like that but leave people with like more of an expression.

Yeah, so this is like what I've been working on to articulate for a long time, Like during the pandemic, you know, when I was like doing private shows for my living room, you know, for for different organizations and and different stuff like that, and waiting to be in person with people. I mean that was like the strangest experience ever. But I was like, how can there be something where people can walk away from a show and still feel connected somehow to the vibe? Like how can I go past just T shirts and stuff like that but leave people with like more of an expression.

Yes, and an experience.

Yes, and an experience.

Yeah, in a moody you know that you can like put it on and recreate it, and even on the label you can scan it and it goes back to the song.

Yeah, in a moody you know that you can like put it on and recreate it, and even on the label you can scan it and it goes back to the song.

Oh my god, I'm obsessed. Yeah, it's like it's so experiential, you know, it's just very much. Yeah.

Oh my god, I'm obsessed. Yeah, it's like it's so experiential, you know, it's just very much. Yeah.

I'm so curious because I think we're just kind of collectively everyone's always known this, right, music is so healing, but we're really understanding No, actually it can heal you.

I'm so curious because I think we're just kind of collectively everyone's always known this, right, music is so healing, but we're really understanding No, actually it can heal you.

Yeah. Yeah, music is absolutely a posty.

Yeah. Yeah, music is absolutely a posty.

It can, yes, for sure, soothe your nervous system. You're seven albums in. Did you always kind of.

It can, yes, for sure, soothe your nervous system. You're seven albums in. Did you always kind of.

Know that you were a healer through music? I never even heard someone say that before. But I love it really, I love it really. I think that.

Know that you were a healer through music? I never even heard someone say that before. But I love it really, I love it really. I think that.

I always love to do music. And you know, the first places that I would perform were like at women and girls retreats and youth retreats and stuff like that, and I would sing a cappella and it was like, you do your thing now, you know what I mean? And I'd sing like a sweet honey in the rock song or a jazz song. Before I started learning to write my own music, and I liked seeing how the energy affected people, you know, I felt like it brought out emotions and kind of I saw how music can change the energy. And I felt like I always wanted to be an artist, but I was like, let me if I could. I still want to have an impact. I want that thing that brings us together in it. So I think there's part of that that's always been in my intention or whatever. And you know, sometimes you can't tell what impact it's having. And then there's like little reminders or someone will say something or like you know what she said while we were talking, and then it's like an affirmation.

I always love to do music. And you know, the first places that I would perform were like at women and girls retreats and youth retreats and stuff like that, and I would sing a cappella and it was like, you do your thing now, you know what I mean? And I'd sing like a sweet honey in the rock song or a jazz song. Before I started learning to write my own music, and I liked seeing how the energy affected people, you know, I felt like it brought out emotions and kind of I saw how music can change the energy. And I felt like I always wanted to be an artist, but I was like, let me if I could. I still want to have an impact. I want that thing that brings us together in it. So I think there's part of that that's always been in my intention or whatever. And you know, sometimes you can't tell what impact it's having. And then there's like little reminders or someone will say something or like you know what she said while we were talking, and then it's like an affirmation.

Deeply.

Deeply.

Well, it can be such a potent healing medicine, and it can also honestly be the thing that.

Well, it can be such a potent healing medicine, and it can also honestly be the thing that.

Leads to astray.

Leads to astray.

Like I think of some of the negative effects that you know, I'm in the millennial generation. That that generation that we've experienced really due to a lot of the music, Like the way we interact as men and women.

Like I think of some of the negative effects that you know, I'm in the millennial generation. That that generation that we've experienced really due to a lot of the music, Like the way we interact as men and women.

We can't.

We can't.

We can't say we weren't affected, like me hearing sex presented in a certain kind of way about kind of a woman being mistreated, beat it up and then throw her away, Like I heard that every day, all.

We can't say we weren't affected, like me hearing sex presented in a certain kind of way about kind of a woman being mistreated, beat it up and then throw her away, Like I heard that every day, all.

Day for twenty years. Like every time I listen to anything. It has an effect.

Day for twenty years. Like every time I listen to anything. It has an effect.

Yeah, has an effect on the kind of worth we attribute to relationships, to our bodies, to everything you know.

Yeah, has an effect on the kind of worth we attribute to relationships, to our bodies, to everything you know.

And so yeah, there's those. There are the artists, the healing artists, the healing.

And so yeah, there's those. There are the artists, the healing artists, the healing.

Musicians that make the music that I think allow everyone else to heal and to feel seen and to feel heard, to feel hope and enthusiasm.

Musicians that make the music that I think allow everyone else to heal and to feel seen and to feel heard, to feel hope and enthusiasm.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And it's interesting because I mean, if you listen to my playlist, it's like the all the extremes.

And it's interesting because I mean, if you listen to my playlist, it's like the all the extremes.

Okay, you know, and I know you've got to have some like too short. I have got to have forty on there.

Okay, you know, and I know you've got to have some like too short. I have got to have forty on there.

Yeah, it has to be included, even like you know, like Snoop from you know, ninety four. Yes, And I think that for me, I realize there it has to be you know, it's like a soundtrack to my life.

Yeah, it has to be included, even like you know, like Snoop from you know, ninety four. Yes, And I think that for me, I realize there it has to be you know, it's like a soundtrack to my life.

And I have to be in the right space for the right thing.

And I have to be in the right space for the right thing.

And there's you know, ratchet songs that if I want to turn up or I need energy, is fun.

And there's you know, ratchet songs that if I want to turn up or I need energy, is fun.

But if i'm.

But if i'm.

You know, if it's too early in the morning, or I'm feeling sensitive, or there's just like some real stuff going on, you know what I mean, like some stress that I need to go through, I'll hear the lyrics in a different way and I can't and I have to switch way switch the frequency.

You know, if it's too early in the morning, or I'm feeling sensitive, or there's just like some real stuff going on, you know what I mean, like some stress that I need to go through, I'll hear the lyrics in a different way and I can't and I have to switch way switch the frequency.

You know what I mean, to.

You know what I mean, to.

Just like way calmer things. And I love that hip hop is grown so big now that it's like we get to see you know, artists like Andree three thousand that's doing something totally different. It's like, oh, this is what I was listening to on my own, But it's like it's dope to see it presented in a larger way, you know, and like also acceptable for men to tap into that because it's like we've been tapping into you know, stuff like that, and I think, yeah, there's like a mood for everything. But definitely on a subconscious level and conscious level, music definitely has an impact. It's like we memorize stuff from when we were kids because it has a melody, right, you go so deep down yeah, yeah, and then you're like, what would I say? I know, ain't no fun word for word, like I know. But it's also because the music, Oh that song is so classic, and that's it's like you'll see every woman is still like looking around like is it for me?

Just like way calmer things. And I love that hip hop is grown so big now that it's like we get to see you know, artists like Andree three thousand that's doing something totally different. It's like, oh, this is what I was listening to on my own, But it's like it's dope to see it presented in a larger way, you know, and like also acceptable for men to tap into that because it's like we've been tapping into you know, stuff like that, and I think, yeah, there's like a mood for everything. But definitely on a subconscious level and conscious level, music definitely has an impact. It's like we memorize stuff from when we were kids because it has a melody, right, you go so deep down yeah, yeah, and then you're like, what would I say? I know, ain't no fun word for word, like I know. But it's also because the music, Oh that song is so classic, and that's it's like you'll see every woman is still like looking around like is it for me?

Is it safe?

Is it safe?

No?

No?

Literally, misogyny has the best beats of all now okay, I really And also I got to say shout out to Dre and New Blue Sun, phenomenal album and just so yeah, just extraordinary to release that into the world. Your creative process, so I mean, you are You're a true creative and we are in the age of creativity and I think you know wellness has had so many transitions in the last seventy several years, but where it's really headed is each of us kind of owning our ability to be artists and whatever ways that we are, so, you know, having created healing music, I'm gonna keep saying that for seven altums, you know, having a career that has spawned this length of time, and then also continuing to elevate the creations with multisensory experiences, with everything else you're building. How do you create the kind of nourishing space to invoke that creativity in yourself? How does one tap into that ability?

Literally, misogyny has the best beats of all now okay, I really And also I got to say shout out to Dre and New Blue Sun, phenomenal album and just so yeah, just extraordinary to release that into the world. Your creative process, so I mean, you are You're a true creative and we are in the age of creativity and I think you know wellness has had so many transitions in the last seventy several years, but where it's really headed is each of us kind of owning our ability to be artists and whatever ways that we are, so, you know, having created healing music, I'm gonna keep saying that for seven altums, you know, having a career that has spawned this length of time, and then also continuing to elevate the creations with multisensory experiences, with everything else you're building. How do you create the kind of nourishing space to invoke that creativity in yourself? How does one tap into that ability?

I don't know. It's like by any means necessary, That's what it feels like.

I don't know. It's like by any means necessary, That's what it feels like.

It might be the discipline of showing up at the studio even when I don't have an idea, you know, and just like be in the practice of showing up, yeah, you know. And it might be me not overthinking and just taking a walk by myself by the beach, just with my headphones on and my little voice memos. And sometimes for me, when I don't have the pressure of like you have to come up with something right now, and it's this allotted amount of time and you're on the clock, sometimes I'm just freer because it's like my subconscious can be exposed or whatever air out. Sometimes I'll just be driving around and I it's odd, but that's kind of a creative time for me. And I think it's because I'm paying attention to something else, so I'm really not overthinking it, and so I might just be like listening, you know, to a beat that I'm trying to work on, and it's just.

It might be the discipline of showing up at the studio even when I don't have an idea, you know, and just like be in the practice of showing up, yeah, you know. And it might be me not overthinking and just taking a walk by myself by the beach, just with my headphones on and my little voice memos. And sometimes for me, when I don't have the pressure of like you have to come up with something right now, and it's this allotted amount of time and you're on the clock, sometimes I'm just freer because it's like my subconscious can be exposed or whatever air out. Sometimes I'll just be driving around and I it's odd, but that's kind of a creative time for me. And I think it's because I'm paying attention to something else, so I'm really not overthinking it, and so I might just be like listening, you know, to a beat that I'm trying to work on, and it's just.

I don't know, Yeah, I feel more open.

I don't know, Yeah, I feel more open.

I'm going to kind of like I'm hearing that you're creating this space, like let the download drop in. You're not like pressurizing it, yes, And that comes from.

I'm going to kind of like I'm hearing that you're creating this space, like let the download drop in. You're not like pressurizing it, yes, And that comes from.

I used to pressurize it and sometimes it was just stressful and I was like, do people have fun in the studio because this doesn't.

I used to pressurize it and sometimes it was just stressful and I was like, do people have fun in the studio because this doesn't.

Feel fun right now, you know.

Feel fun right now, you know.

And I'm like, I'm putting this on myself, like if I you know, and years ago, I couldn't have recorded multi tracks on my phone just to keep notes, you know what I'm saying for when I go in the studio. But now it's like there's so many things you can do on your own at home, blah blah blah. It's just a little more freeing and then I can do the real thing when I'm in the studio, and then sometimes it's sitting down with musicians. I wrote a lot of these songs with Errol Cooney, who plays guitar, and Mike Auberg, who plays keys, and I kind of like let it come together as a puzzle and a little more organically and a little more thoughtfully because I had a lot of time on my hands this time. And then I also worked closely with Bedrock, who's a producer and just like creates such a vibe.

And I'm like, I'm putting this on myself, like if I you know, and years ago, I couldn't have recorded multi tracks on my phone just to keep notes, you know what I'm saying for when I go in the studio. But now it's like there's so many things you can do on your own at home, blah blah blah. It's just a little more freeing and then I can do the real thing when I'm in the studio, and then sometimes it's sitting down with musicians. I wrote a lot of these songs with Errol Cooney, who plays guitar, and Mike Auberg, who plays keys, and I kind of like let it come together as a puzzle and a little more organically and a little more thoughtfully because I had a lot of time on my hands this time. And then I also worked closely with Bedrock, who's a producer and just like creates such a vibe.

But I think I just like being around people that I can be comfortable.

But I think I just like being around people that I can be comfortable.

Yeah, you know, God, that's so important, Like would you say that that is kind of being in soft place, being around people that you know when I hear the words comfort, I feel most comfortable when I'm like myself, which is yeah, a.

Yeah, you know, God, that's so important, Like would you say that that is kind of being in soft place, being around people that you know when I hear the words comfort, I feel most comfortable when I'm like myself, which is yeah, a.

Little weird, a little fun, a little Yeah. It's just permission, not like I have to be on.

Little weird, a little fun, a little Yeah. It's just permission, not like I have to be on.

Yes, I don't want to feel like I have to be on when I'm in the studio or that I have to be perfect or it's going to sound good right away, because I feel really vulnerable when I'm first coming up with an idea and I don't know if it's dope, I don't know if it's trash. I don't know if and it might sound wonky when it first comes out, but if I feel safe, it might be magic, you know, And then that gets captured and I'm not like scared a way to even try it.

Yes, I don't want to feel like I have to be on when I'm in the studio or that I have to be perfect or it's going to sound good right away, because I feel really vulnerable when I'm first coming up with an idea and I don't know if it's dope, I don't know if it's trash. I don't know if and it might sound wonky when it first comes out, but if I feel safe, it might be magic, you know, And then that gets captured and I'm not like scared a way to even try it.

That is such a word right there that I feel like can be applied to everything for all of us, which is like, if I feel safe, then I can make the magic. Like then your magic is present, like when I'm in my safety, when I'm feeling yeah, stable.

That is such a word right there that I feel like can be applied to everything for all of us, which is like, if I feel safe, then I can make the magic. Like then your magic is present, like when I'm in my safety, when I'm feeling yeah, stable.

Safe, You're not like worrying, You're not watching your back at the same time, or too self conscious at the same time. Sometimes I would even record, like can I do this without the engineer for a moment, Like can you set me up and then walk out so that I'm not even thinking about someone else judging me while I'm in the first phases of creating.

Safe, You're not like worrying, You're not watching your back at the same time, or too self conscious at the same time. Sometimes I would even record, like can I do this without the engineer for a moment, Like can you set me up and then walk out so that I'm not even thinking about someone else judging me while I'm in the first phases of creating.

You know, that's so freeing to hear, you know, I'm kind of I've really spent a lot of time the last couple of years trying to court my own creativity and just really let it be in its freedom. And I think you know, as you shared, like so many people have so many things to birth inside of themselves, but until you discover the key that unlocks your genius. It can feel so challenging, but it's like having just knowing. You can have so many rough drafts, you know.

You know, that's so freeing to hear, you know, I'm kind of I've really spent a lot of time the last couple of years trying to court my own creativity and just really let it be in its freedom. And I think you know, as you shared, like so many people have so many things to birth inside of themselves, but until you discover the key that unlocks your genius. It can feel so challenging, but it's like having just knowing. You can have so many rough drafts, you know.

So many, so many yeah, until it feels good.

So many, so many yeah, until it feels good.

Yeah, yeah, I feel like even like I remember this is fifteen years ago when I was working in LA Radio, Kanye maybe more, I don't know what year it is. Kanye came out with Atoits and Heartbreak. Yes, Yes, incredible album, and I remember he did. He had this private listening session that was in a abandoned parking garage and there were fifty naked women standing there wearing masks, and the only people that saw.

Yeah, yeah, I feel like even like I remember this is fifteen years ago when I was working in LA Radio, Kanye maybe more, I don't know what year it is. Kanye came out with Atoits and Heartbreak. Yes, Yes, incredible album, and I remember he did. He had this private listening session that was in a abandoned parking garage and there were fifty naked women standing there wearing masks, and the only people that saw.

It, Oh, you were at like when they were doing the video. No, it was just the listening session.

It, Oh, you were at like when they were doing the video. No, it was just the listening session.

It was.

It was.

It was one of the most incredible things I've ever been to. But the year was like two thousand and eight, and I remember I was standing there and I was I was staring at these women and like they were kind of passing out because like standing straight for so long, you have to bend your knees a little while, so they would just gently sit themselves on the floor and they had wool masks all over their face and they were completely nude, and I remember looking at that and been like okay, wow, And then I saw him recreate that over the next ten years, like no one saw it there except the people that were there. But then I ended up seeing those same textures and those same mass or those same stylized women appear so many times any different things he did over the next year years, And it was one of the most revolutionary things to witness, kind of secretly because no one, you know, I don't know if anyone else is connecting those dots. I saw it and felt it, and I was just like, oh, you can keep trying, like you can keep perfecting the vision.

It was one of the most incredible things I've ever been to. But the year was like two thousand and eight, and I remember I was standing there and I was I was staring at these women and like they were kind of passing out because like standing straight for so long, you have to bend your knees a little while, so they would just gently sit themselves on the floor and they had wool masks all over their face and they were completely nude, and I remember looking at that and been like okay, wow, And then I saw him recreate that over the next ten years, like no one saw it there except the people that were there. But then I ended up seeing those same textures and those same mass or those same stylized women appear so many times any different things he did over the next year years, And it was one of the most revolutionary things to witness, kind of secretly because no one, you know, I don't know if anyone else is connecting those dots. I saw it and felt it, and I was just like, oh, you can keep trying, like you can keep perfecting the vision.

You can you don't have to do.

You can you don't have to do.

Talk about yeah, you know, like even if people don't get it, I'm going to go all the way until it really evolves to like where you all see it clearly.

Talk about yeah, you know, like even if people don't get it, I'm going to go all the way until it really evolves to like where you all see it clearly.

Yeah, till you get it. Maybe we're even in the year where people are awake enough to get it. Yeah.

Yeah, till you get it. Maybe we're even in the year where people are awake enough to get it. Yeah.

It was just I think about that all the time, and it was just such a powerful thing to witness and kind of be able to see play out over time.

It was just I think about that all the time, and it was just such a powerful thing to witness and kind of be able to see play out over time.

Deeply.

Deeply.

Well, what are all the ways that everyone can connect with you and connect with your work? And especially connect with all the beautiful new experiences.

Well, what are all the ways that everyone can connect with you and connect with your work? And especially connect with all the beautiful new experiences.

Well on all the social media handles. I'm just at Guappolai gap and through guaplea dot com they can get the merch. But I also have a site Dreamseeker dot com that has all the dream Seeker merch and colors is out there on every platform. And I have some more shows coming up. I'm kind of touring different areas at a time in intimate venues.

Well on all the social media handles. I'm just at Guappolai gap and through guaplea dot com they can get the merch. But I also have a site Dreamseeker dot com that has all the dream Seeker merch and colors is out there on every platform. And I have some more shows coming up. I'm kind of touring different areas at a time in intimate venues.

And you know, sharing it. So I hope you can come here.

And you know, sharing it. So I hope you can come here.

Yes, I need to l one. Yeah, yeah, please, thank you so much. Ah Well, I hope everyone first of all listens to the album Colors, but definitely in this episode by putting on closer, I know I will be listening to that as I drive home today. Thank you for your work. Thank you so much for your work. Thank you for your heart. Thank you for your intention and all the things that you create, and just all the beauty and healing you.

Yes, I need to l one. Yeah, yeah, please, thank you so much. Ah Well, I hope everyone first of all listens to the album Colors, but definitely in this episode by putting on closer, I know I will be listening to that as I drive home today. Thank you for your work. Thank you so much for your work. Thank you for your heart. Thank you for your intention and all the things that you create, and just all the beauty and healing you.

Birthed in the world with your creative process.

Birthed in the world with your creative process.

Thank you that was so beautiful. Thank you for your energy and for your platform and for the space.

Thank you that was so beautiful. Thank you for your energy and for your platform and for the space.

That you hold. It's an honor. Thank you.

That you hold. It's an honor. Thank you.

A little soul work today for everyone is I would share that after you listen to this episode and listen a closer, spend the next week until we meet again, really investigating and having grace with your own creative process. You don't have to know what you need a birth right now, but I know you feel something, You feel a seed of something. So just create the empty space that is not filled with your plans, with the way you think it should be structured. Just sit and let it arrive, you know, let something come into your awareness and be in practice with it. You don't have to perform this week fully execute this week. Just begin to really court, flirt with play with what is my creative process? That's a great question a journal to and meditate too and think about until we meet again.

A little soul work today for everyone is I would share that after you listen to this episode and listen a closer, spend the next week until we meet again, really investigating and having grace with your own creative process. You don't have to know what you need a birth right now, but I know you feel something, You feel a seed of something. So just create the empty space that is not filled with your plans, with the way you think it should be structured. Just sit and let it arrive, you know, let something come into your awareness and be in practice with it. You don't have to perform this week fully execute this week. Just begin to really court, flirt with play with what is my creative process? That's a great question a journal to and meditate too and think about until we meet again.

No, I'm as stay.

No, I'm as stay.

The content presented on Deeply Well serves solely for educational and informational purposes. It should not be considered a replacement for personalized medical or mental health guidance and does not constitute a provider patient relationship. As always, it is advisable to consult with your healthcare provider or health team for any specific concerns or questions. Connect with me on social at Debbie Brown that's Twitter and Instagram. Or you can go to my website, Debbie Brown dot com. And if you're listening to the show on Apple Podcasts, don't forget, Please rate, review, and subscribe and send this episode to a friend. Deeply Well is a production of iHeartRadio and The Black Effect Network. It's produced by Jacquess Thomas, Samantha Timmins, and me Debbie Brown. The beautiful soundback you heard, That's my Jarrealne Glass from Crystal Cadence. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

The content presented on Deeply Well serves solely for educational and informational purposes. It should not be considered a replacement for personalized medical or mental health guidance and does not constitute a provider patient relationship. As always, it is advisable to consult with your healthcare provider or health team for any specific concerns or questions. Connect with me on social at Debbie Brown that's Twitter and Instagram. Or you can go to my website, Debbie Brown dot com. And if you're listening to the show on Apple Podcasts, don't forget, Please rate, review, and subscribe and send this episode to a friend. Deeply Well is a production of iHeartRadio and The Black Effect Network. It's produced by Jacquess Thomas, Samantha Timmins, and me Debbie Brown. The beautiful soundback you heard, That's my Jarrealne Glass from Crystal Cadence. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.