Mm from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments out of the windows of restored Alchemedo cheriots to keep the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black. Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ant. And the ancestors told me that you would come to give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come Dropping Dropping the Gym. Hey, welcome back another episode of The Dropping Gym's podcast. I'm your host, Debbie Brown. Today's show is going to be a beautiful deep dive into the way that we experience our mental health and our emotional health in our physical bodies. Really excited for today's guests to talk about this, because what I found on my journey is that it is incredibly important to begin a practice of somatic experiencing within any of the work we do. So whether we're doing work for our mental good, you know, that could mean that we're in cognitive therapy, or we're really which is like talk based therapy, where we're really beginning to understand how our lives have looked the way that they looked, and what the mechanics and the functions of our bariences have created inside of us. But then there's also the energetic component, which is something that I feel so deeply passionate about on this leg of my journey and have found to be really the piece of the puzzle that takes you into an accelerated path that really brings you forward to do rapid fire healing and to accelerate your activation of your highest consciousness and your highest self. So within that, when we think about the understanding of somatic experiencing, and we'll get into this with our guests today, I'm so excited. This will be juicy. It's all about how do we retrain our cells. So this is a part of the conversation that is happening now and happening ever so slowly in a bigger, bigger way um than it ever has in human history. But it's about the effects of our ancestry, the effects of our lineage, and the effects of our trauma and our lifetimes, and how our body takes it on, how that trauma, how that pain, how those experience this can actually bury themselves in ourselves and be this kind of unseen and unspoken layer that needs healing that oftentimes we just didn't know existed. So knowing about these depths and knowing about the way our bodies and our systems integrate our healing helps us to heal more fully, I believe, helps us to heal faster, and helps us to heal in a way that really provides a finality to it. So there's always a deepening that is available to us. There's always more available on our on our journey in terms of our healing and um our expansion. When we dive into some of these somatic practices, which is really integrating that mind, body soul connection, we have the beautiful opportunity to really close karmic cycles for good, for real, really into the patterns that we've outgrown and walk ourselves out of the mental and emotional loops that we often find ourselves in, and so you know that's it's incredibly important to me in my journey. Um. I share this a little bit on Instagram, but if you haven't met me in person, you may not know this. I keep my energy pristine, my energy and my force field that is around me. My energetic force field is the highest priority in my healing, and it's a non negotiable for me. So that means I only place myself in nourishing environments. I only give myself and give others access to me in nourishing conversations, which does not mean that the conversations have to go well or all about positivity and rainbows and puppies. You know, I'm deeply committed to shadow work and assisting others with shadow work, but my healthy boundaries are so secure and so for me to stay as dialed in as I am to divine source into my gifts, into my life's purpose. My life contains a lot of ritual in it, a lot of energy clearing. Every day I take it very seriously. I start my day clearing my energy, doing manifestation exercises, visualization, my meditation, and I end my day cannot end my day no matter how tired I am, how long it was without cleansing my energy, clearing my energy and being in deep prayer. And so those have been really powerful tools, along with the energy work that I do as a raiky Master and some of the systems that I've divined designed in my work that I do with myself and a small group of others. It's made all the difference, and it's really changed the trajectory of my healing and made it so robust and so juicy and so filling and so on today's show, I'm really excited to bring to the show David mccullor, who I had the beautiful opportunity to connect with through our mutual friend Charlemagne, who a few years ago, you know, said to me, Wow, there's this mental health gym. You've got to know about it. You've got to see it. I visited it, and so I'm excited to dive in with David all about his company, Inception, and all about how we are really going to manifest and embody the fullness of our healing for the greater goods of ourselves and the highest good of all concerned. So today's guest David mccullor is joining the show the founder and CEO of Inception, which is the world's first mental health jim. The story of Inception began in two thousand and six when David took the road less traveled and used brain training, therapy and alternative health modality that profoundly reduced symptoms from stress and traumatic events. David, Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I was excited about coming on, so I'm so hyped and I told you know, I told the listeners when I got started. You know, I first got connected through your work through Charlemagne, who is such ah, I mean, just such a huge mental health proponent, but especially in him speaking I'll never forget. He called me and he was like, Yo, I gotta tell you about this place that I just went to. Was insane. Have you heard of a mental health gym? Um? And it was so you know, it's such a This space that you occupy is so revolutionary because and it's the conversation Sear and I have quite a bit, you know. I think a big chunk of the conversation that we miss that isn't fully happening is around the reprogramming of ourselves. It's around the reprogramming of our bodies as we kind of dive into some of this deeper work. And you know, a lot of the mental health conversation seems to really just kind of occupy space, specifically around therapy and psychology. Yes, in the head, which is powerful, which is necessary. But true freedom, true self sovereignty, true healing comes through the entire facet of a mind, body, soul connection. We have to embody it. And by embodying it means what we got to go in our bodies. Yeah, exactly, I mean you you said it very well. That's that's just what it is. We're inception is really a gem about again, yes, you're going to be able to alter you know, psychological things, but the issues are in the tissues of the body and that and I wasn't the first person to ever say that. That that has been said many times before in the in the field of traumatology and understanding as a human organism. The human organism is constantly being affected by the stressors that we're up against in our environment. So inception really is just being able to move that energy out of the body and then you can start that reprogramming process. So before I before I dive into like the really like deeply in the fiber, questions that I have about this in your work? What led you to this work? Because this is really um, it's such sub stantial pioneering work in this space. So how did you how did you find yourself here? And when did you first recognize that your path was really to be in service to the mental emotional freedom of others? Um? About sixteen, I was around I started early. Yeah, I was in the church. And so when I go back, I have a notebook in my closet and um, from when I was sixteen seventeen. I started reading it just the other day, and I had all these things about the mental illness and things of that nature from the spiritual standpoint of it, right, um. And so but then I also experienced traumas from the very community that I was involved in, which was the church. Um. So that took me down my road and I I started noticing, Um, I had anxiety. I was experiencing anxiety, but I was into the self help. I listened to the Anthony Robbins. I mean that took me down the rabbit hole of Wayne Dyer and Deep Doctroper and that really expanded my mind. I got into the arts and understanding the power of now. But I'm but I'm starting to have anxiety and panic attacks right, But which was weird for me because I'm like, no, I'm the self help guru. I I know all of these things, but yet my body is still responding in a way that's different from what I believe I should be experiencing based on what I've read. So that took me down my journey um of just Um, my background is in information technology and computer science, so really I'll just gravitate. If you look at inception, it's all technology driven. So I started using certain technologies early, early in the two thousands, um, but those technologies was more like buy it over the counter, and they weren't They weren't as effective um as some of the things that we have right now. But so basically the answer the question, it was just really my own journey of one being in the field of helps, already wanting to dive deeper and understanding what is what is it that's really happening to us, what's really blocking us from blooming and being our our greater versions of ourselves? And I had to go on that journey for myself to find out what it was. And that's that's where I am today, just that fourteen year journey of of doing sixty different healing alternative modalities, just in overcoming my own issues. M hm. How was it holding UM this kind of space in like a two thousand and six where conversations like this specifically within the BIPOP community are just at the beginnings on a mass level, you know, I mean, there's always been awakened people, praise God. There's always been you know, communities of healing, but collectively for like the mainstream UM use it, it hasn't until recently, you know, on a mainstream level. Now is the moment, and maybe in the last year. You know, I even think just in starting my business UM in the last five years when I started, everyone thought, you know, I mean, I had to feel so many different questions about what I've represented because of the way they made some people feel m some offense as related to their belief systems or their family structures. So what was that journey like trying to bring this ceiling to your community over the last fourteen years when there is so much education that needs to take place around this work UM to be honest with you, I have blinders on, like like I told Charlemagne told me said, man, you're like twenty years ahead, and I'm like, dude, we're like a hundred years behind. That's that's how I felt about it, like we're behind. I'm not ahead. Were slowed down. So when me and my dad we first started our company UM, most of our clients were people who were seeking it out, and so I didn't I didn't market the same way I do now because there was no marketing in terms of Instagram and all the other social media channels. It was newspaper, it was radio, it was television, and we weren't. We weren't on any of them. All of us was word of mouth. And most of my clients, to be honest with you, they were white women. They weren't our people. When when I saw one black person come through the door, She's looking at me like what are you doing here? And I'm looking at her like what did you do here? And so it comes to find out I started talking to her Morris, and once I heard some of the stuff that she gravitated to in terms of we're gonna talk about UM alternative thought process or even things like um, like the DEPOC troopers and things that nature. It made sense why she was there consciousness. So really, I just I just was like this, I only see I only see me working on my healing, and the people were coming in. But now it's it's been amazing to see. You should see how many of our people are on our schedule on a day to day basis, and we're starting to wake up to the fact that hey, hey Dave, we got emotions. Oh that's what that feeling has been this some time. Yeah, it's such a I feel like, you know, this moment in time, it's so special. It's such a special moment. And for those that are like really deeply in kind of um embedded in this energy world and whatever modalities they use, you know, I believe that this moment is specifically in service to the advancement of the human race and the advancement of the ascension of our consciousness. So it's such a it's such a special time to heal being that collectively, there's so much energy that is in supportive that it's looking at it though it's been kind of trippy for me to because I I read about it happen, I know, but now that I see it happening, it's like, you know what, I was born for this exact moment, and that's that's trippy. You know, sit back and and and even my parents, they were born for this time for us to help humanity shift out of out of the state that we've been in. We've been sold these shows like The Walking Dead. That's not about zombies how you think about it, that's that's us as human beings. We don't even recognize that we're walking dead in terms of our emotions. Either we overfeel or we underfeel, but we don't have a congruency to be able to feel good and bad and be okay with it. It's like I just want to I don't want to feel anything. And that's how it was in the beginning when I started my journey, I was like I was doing our one of our services called brain training and have an anxiety. I felt anxiety dissipated, and I'm like, this is great, right, but the issues and the tissues, right, So whatever is on the inside needs to come up. So when the anxiety start coming up, I'm running and go try to brain train more, like hey, no, this need to stop. Like I don't know. I thought I was supposed to get rid of anxiety. Why am I feeling more anxiety? It's not that you're feeling more of it, You're just finally feeling it's uh that, Oh my god. Let's sit here for a second. UM. I would love to share with you some recent experiences I've had, because I think that's a part of it that everyone has to create some grace for themselves for and a little bit of spaciousness to experience. Because and I say this all the time on here, and I really hope people remember this, the healing is not the rainbows and the puppies. The healing is not that, oh I am love, I am this. All of that comes for sure, And the deepest truth of all of it is that we are all divine love, period, at the core of everything. But when we heal, there's also something that's called trauma purging or like a trauma flu It's the experience of the deepening of the layers of healing. And sometimes it does feel like it's getting so much more difficult or more challenging before that dawn comes, because you've you've removed so much of the toxins that now some of the deeper stuff is allowed to rise to the surface so it can be cleared. Not rise to the surface so you'll never get out of it, but rise to the service so can be cleared. And I remember I did this recently. I was I was in a new space of some of the healing that I had to do, especially connected to the intergenerational part of my journey. And I remember I met I met with a wonderful healer and we had worked together for about four days doing ritual around this and on the last day, I left session around two pm and I passed out and could not physically move until ten am the next day. UM. So forgive me, I'm not that great at fast math. But I don't know, maybe twenty hours or such, and um, I couldn't move, and I was just in the bed like weeping, um and clearing and and kind of like like writhing in pain, you know. And at one point I got really scared. I was like, maybe I need to go to the hospital. Do I need do I need to write a letter to quest like what's happening to me? Um? And so, but by by the time that I came on the other side of it, not only was I restored to perfect health. But really the deepest parts were fully surrendered and let go um. And so that happens too, and that's a piece of it. And sometimes it can block the healing because we think, oh no, maybe I unlocked too much. Now let me bury everything back again, and it's like, no, you gotta keep going. Yeah, And I've been I've been going through that through my whole journey. Just yesterday, I was going through that because I was using a red light therapy and I was like, let me put this red light therapy on my stomach and I already knew. I said, if this starts to kill any back to area and stuff, man, I'm gonna have a healing response. And sure enough, later two minutes later, I'm on the phone with Liz and I'm like, Liz, I'm nauseous, and she's like, maybe you need to need to throw up. I said, you're right, that do that. And my body, my body is it's not like you go and you do the act like it's my body from doing the work for so long. I can feel when my body is like you need to release, and so I can feel that holding going and I just I just surrendered to it. And it comes up. What is that that's coming up? Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed, So energy has to dissipate. We're a dissipated structure. And you know it's emotional thermodynamics. So if if the that say, the bacteria or the whatever that's in my gut parasites that's dying off, what charge do they hold? They hold my charge, They hold my emotional frequency. So if they're dying off, they're gassing golf. And if they're gassing golf, then I need to purge at this point, and we seen it. If you go to go through every ancient culture, it may look slightly different, but it's all the same. Right, whether you're doing ayahuasca, whether you're doing psilocybin where you're doing all these psychedelics, whether you're doing any type of healing work, you're going to experience the upheaval. You can't pour new wine into old wine skins. It has to come out. So that's the process that you continually go through. And I'm going through this. It's the education, like the inception is just the experience. But for us on the back end, we have to build these systems to allow people to go through the process integration and then continue to educate. But that's a whole journey. It's not like when you come out of the matrix. When you saw Neo coming out of the matrix for the first time and he just threw up and he's like, oh no, this is not real and then he's like, Okay, I'm good from there. It's not I like that. That's if we woke up fully, our bodies wouldn't be able to handle it. So you you do it in pieces, you know, it's chunks of it, so the healing process can feel you know, I posted today on Instagram. I said, you know, you can glamorize healing if you want, but this is not for the faint of her heart. It can make you that experience like you said, I want to call the doctor, right, because you think because we're programmed about certain things of side effects, right, we think about pharmaceutical drugs and the side effects of those things. So when you come in and you do maybe some services that exception, you're like, oh, it's the side effect of of this. It's causing me to feel No, it's not a side effect. It's like you said that what we call healing response. It's just the body starting to move and to come more into alignment and the body has to let go. Yeah, yeah, the body has to let go. And it's so funny how even on this side of the healing spectrum, the root understandings are always the same, whether it's in sacred ancient texts or whether it's through some of the more scientific metaphysical understandings. It's like surrender. We have to continually keep surrendering in all moments, you know, even to this healing process as you just um, as you just described and explained, tell me about some of the like specifically with inception, the first mental health gym. What is some of the equipment you use and what are the healing benefits of working with these modalities? Okay, so let's talk about the first one, which is called brain training a ka neural feedback. So neuro feedback has like over thirty year history. And with the neural feedback that we use, we place sensors on the scalp. So it's no, it's no electro shock therapy, even though wives will come in and ask for that for their husband's can you shock them a little bit? You know? Like no, But nothing is going into the brain. So even though it's called brain training, is just it's allowing the brain to become self aware. And how it does that is this again, we place the sensors on the scalp. The sensors up the brainwave activity. You know, you have different subgroups of brainwave activity from delta all the way up to gamma, and you have frequencies in between that. So it's picking all that information up and it's sending it back to the brain in real time to a pair of headphones, just like I have in my ear. And so when you're listening, you're actually in a zero gravity chair. You're listening to music. The music is not the thing, that's not the magic. The magic is in when you start to hear a skip or power of pause or interrupt within the music, because that skip, paused or interrupt is representing when the brain is moving out a state of safety into a state of stress response. So the brain can see, hey, Dad, you're sitting in his zero gravity chair. Is nice and relaxing, but you're going into stress response. Are you sure you want to go there? The brain is like, you know, we're safe, we don't want to go there. It's the same way if you're you're driving on the freeway and I was in l A. I think you guys have this too, with these little digits on the road that if you start to drift off, you here these little bumps, like yeah, yeah, that's information for you. That information for you saying hey you're going off side of the road. It didn't force you back, it's just information. And what do you do? You self correct, you know, and and and quantum theory, whatever is observed changes, right. We have to observe our stuff in order to change. And that's how the brain training is working. It's a mirror for your brain to observe itself to move you out of these three states or the main two states fight flight freeze response that we're we're pretty much kind of stuck in. So when you move out of that, you move into what we called what's called UM based on UM Stephen Porgie's poly vego theory is is the ventrol vego system, which is UM more social engagement like what we're talking right now, deep connection, deep meaningful connection. If you're stuck and sympathetic, which is fight flight response, or if you're stuck in dorsal vegal to you're stuck in freeze response one has to do with mobilization, get out of dodge, fight the threat, fleet from the threat. One has to do with, hey, I'm helpless to the threat, shut down them out, prepare for death, disassociate. Right. So people in society are stuck in these patterns, So we need to move out of that pattern and come back into social engagement. You ever heard that verse, father, forgive them for they know not what they do. Why So in the beginning, when I first worked with the company called Brain State Technologies, I looked at over a thousand brain maps, and in those brain maps we can see all the brain frequencies from left to right, front to back, and see the synchronization between the two. Do you know what pattern most people were in when they came in. They were in one of the two fight, flight or freeze response. There was very rarely where I saw a person whose brain was not stuck in survival mode. So when you stuck in survival mode, people don't understand your New York cortex shutdown. That's your your decision making. You know, solving math problems is not what your brain is trying to do at that point. Digestion is not what your brain is trying to do at that point. Fight off virus and bacteria is not what your brain is trying to do. At that point. Your brain is trying to use is all the resources to to to survive. So we're stuck in survival mode, and that's what causes us to lose our resources, our ability to again to think, to process, to be connected, to connect with each other, to coregulate. So neural feedback is just again it's giving your brain awareness that you're not in social engagement, you're in these other patterns. Do you want to stay here? The brain makes that decision. So we don't push the brain, We don't pull anything. We everything at inception only supports the systems. Because the only thing that ever truly healed you was you. We just need to support the systems of the body. Because the Kingdom of Heaven is within all of it is made within us, right, so we need to support that system. So brain training is at first, it's not the first thing we do in our We do a circuit model where we do we group three different technologies in a ninety minute time frame. But I want to talk about brain training first because that's like my first love and how I how I started and how I really began to overcome the anxiety and the panic attacks. So that's one. Then we have a magnetic there be called the magnets sphere and you start with that service. Actually, so magnus sphere has these two copper rings on each side of UM. It's like you're sitting in a UM it's called a him host coil. It's like these two really big rings. They're probably leving not eleven feet tall, but they're about six seven feet tall. They're pretty big. So what happens is it creates a unified magnetic field that's millions of times lower than the Earth's frequencies, so it really has a grounding effect to it. UM Dr Jerry Jacobson UM basically was able to figure out the magnetic profiles of our ligaments, tissues, cells of our bodies so that we can begin resonating with it. It's molecular resonance therapy, so those frequencies resonates with the bones, the ligaments, the tissues, bringing specific voltage to it. UM again to it is basically bringing the brain just's like brain training out of the sympathetic to parasympathetic, rest and digest. Everything is about really calming down relaxation. You know. I think it's a Chinese proverb that said, um stress is what you think you are, Relaxation is who you really are. That's so good. Like your natural state of being is to be relaxed only when there's threat. Right, So so the magnetsphere brings you helps again, it doesn't bring you. I don't have to use that terminology because it's not doing it for you per se. It's just supporting, supporting, supporting the systems and the body begins to shift itself. And so the third third thing we do in that circuit is floatation therapy. Now, this is a lot of people that get freaked out about floatation therapy a k A. Sensory deprivation. I've spent it probably a boy a thousand hours and the float tank in the last five years. So you have this this this tub that's nine by five. You have a thousand pounds of magnesium sulfate which is EPs and salt dissolved into a foot of water. Pot five is the temperature, which is the surface of your skin. So you know light, no sound, and you float their effortlessly on the top of the water. And you know your brain now doesn't have stimulus to wrestle with. So if your brain doesn't have one of the biggest stimulus is that we don't even perceive is gravity. When's the last time you've been in the nine gravity environment like your mother's won't that's that's that's back then. So when you so some places they call it rebirthing because it feels like you're in the tank and you're in the tank by yourself, is no one in the room, it's closed door, private suite. You're naked in this tank for an hour. And when you come out and you're stepping out of this glass door like reborn, like you're just coming out of your mother's womb for the first time. It's a digital detox. You're not dealing with the stressors. And then now the brain and the body has the opportunity to process everything. So that's the last thing in our circuit. And because to Americans are a magnesium deficient so magnesium you do absorb it transdermally through the skin. So it's like a mineral bath. It's a floating, meditative mineral bath. Is what the best way that can describe it. That's right at my alley. So so that's that's one circuit and you would do that in a ninety minute time frame. You should see the people coming in and coming out of there. I mean you read some of the things they're saying, like, I've never felt this relaxed in my life. It's because you've you haven't been in social engagement. You've been in survival mode. That's why you haven't felt that relaxed. Well that thought, we are coming right back. So what is the circuit like that? How does that manifest in the healing journey? Like what does that turn into? How how often does um someone need to go? Like how how would they begin to measure their growth after that? Or how does that then change the way that they are moving in the world or inside of themselves. Okay, so that's let's think about se doctor's visitor due to stress related illnesses. Right, So when we talk about being a survival mode and using all your resources, let's go down all the lists of things that are stress related illnesses from heart attacks, strokes, insomnia, depression, anxiety. I mean, you can keep going, and we're talking about trauma to trauma and stress are They're really very similar. One is just moves you too fast, too soon, too sudden. Stress can be what we're dealing with, the chronic stress. So sleep, My definition of success is being able to sleep at night, to be at to wake rested, to be at the stay sleep and wake rested. You think how many people over I think the number is sixty of Americans suffer from sleep defervation. I would say that number is even higher now through COVID. It's about safety. So when you can't sleep at night, you know what is really saying. You don't even feel safe in your own space. You don't in your own space. I don't mean your house, I mean your house, your house. You don't feel safe there. So one of the biggest manifestations that the services half of people is they slept well, you know, and then that starts. I've been sleeping well. You know. I'm getting reports people say I felt like this for two weeks straight and I'm like, yeah, like, because your body, your system is now beginning to regulate. So one circuit. A lot of people they come in, they do one circuit, but it's a gym. It's the same thought process. People ask how how how often do you do your stuff. I'm like, I'm always in the process. I'm never not doing my stuff like you you you know, use it or lose the type of thing. Right, Um, you go to the gym, you you you put the muscles up against stimulus because you're trying to stress out the muscles of the body so the muscles can adapt and come back and you can do better next time. Well what happens when you have so much stimulus and stress wrapped up in the body. Well, when you come like I said earlier, you didn't just release it all at once. There's levels and layers to this thing. No matter that I do. If it's brand new and in my system has never experienced it, best believe it's gonna bring up something leave most stone unturned. Yeah, I love that. You know, there was an interesting article, um, that was in the cut this week that was actually related to the way that our bodies are experiencing stress right now in the global pandemic and so speaking to for instance, you know how when a president takes office, they have the photo that they take on their first day and the photo that they take on their last day. Yeah. Yeah, And it's really interesting because you know, Um. For those listening, if you haven't seen this picture, look it up. It's it's really interesting because it shows are forever President Barack Obama on the first stay and on the last day he you know, only eight years had passed, which actually isn't that long of a time, but physically you see the manifestation of that level of stress, the level of stress of running the country for eight years, and that manifested in him as you know, some more wrinkles, a little bit of change in the elasticity of his skin, lots of gray hair, different texture, different color, And so that also happens to each of us. And so you know, something that that I say about myself, I'm like, thank you God that I don't look like what I've been through, because if I did, everyone would be shocked and horrified. I'm sure, Um, but that that shows to the work that you've done. You know the same thing for me, I don't look the same way as I mean, if I look at a picture, I don't even want to look at that picture. How it wasn't two thousand and six. I was. I was depleted, you know, I felt I felt like my body failed me at that point, you know, because I was having full blown vomiting panic attacks. So and to be there, I was living in South Florida. I had to move back home to Detroit, which is a huge difference if you don't know in terms of weather and culture and things of that nature. So if you think about I tell people your brain can't tell the difference between what's real and what's fake. So the more that the more that you see, Like, mental health is not just psychological. Mental health is everything you hear, everything you see, everything you you, you eat, everything you you smell. Right, it's all of it. It's the systems having to use their resources to fight threat. So and our healing journey is it's a it's a melting of all of the things. It's really about finding our personal recipe to be our best selves. But it has to center in that mental, physical, and emotional component. We can't do one and bypass the others. They all work in harmony together for the freedom of each of us um and our traumas and our replenishment. Yeah, right, I had we had did um. Vice had did a feature on me an inception, right, and they released it, and they when they released it, I went to YouTube and I started reading the comments, and some of the comments, I just sat there and I just was reading it, and it just it opened my eyes to certain rabbit holes. If you go down this rabbit hole and you stay down this rabbit hole, this will destroy you. Which is reading the comments and internalizing them. But I said to myself, but I need I need to I need to to go down here for a moment to a lot that feels like And then you think about people who and you're someone who's in the line, like, you know, I consider you like our our new Oprah. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, based on you know, the things that you're doing and bringing to light in the and if you look at Oprah with the r tooles and the Wayne Diary, she brought these people to the forefront right and everybody who as Christian whatever you know, that looked weird. And if she read and if she internalized all of that, she would not be where she is now. So you have to go And I had to go look at that darkness and sit there for a moment and be like, Okay, I can see how this can end up if you go down that rabbit hole. So from there, I said, I'm gonna give myself one time and that's it. Well, and it's like and one I just have to say thank you so much for that beautiful reflection and I receive. And you know, I'm a big believer that Oprah walked so all of us could run, Like she gave each one of us permission to occupy space in our authenticity in a way that had never, at least in my lifetime, been done that I had ever seen. But it's like, you know what those rabbit holes like, I kind of see it as a twofold. It's like, so I'm a big believer and not allowing myself to be led in their direction too strongly. So something that and it might be to the bane of other people's uh interactions with me, but I really stay out of my d MS a lot, and I'm so grateful for the incredible messages that I get, but I don't want to get to mis directed. Yes, so it takes me away from the work. And I love the reflections people share with me, but if I if I give too much time to reading the praise and the criticism, it just warps my own understanding of the work that I do. And so I want to try to stay really pure in that UM. But let me just say really quick, anybody that sends me d MS, I'm so grateful. And to know anything resonates with you in any way is also a deeper reflection of your own beauty and your own work and your own joy and healing. UM. But it is it is helpful on those rabbit holes, David right to see the experience of where the barriers are. You know, when I when I first started doing this work and I first started teaching meditation, when I was still in my other career, I would get hit with a lot of people demanding um deep explanations of what my belief system is and how this makes sense with Christianity, and I'm not available for that. That's that's not the role that I play. It's not to try to talk you into understanding my process or to get you to validate me. I'm gonna stay on this path. It's really just in service to sharing information and you take what fits and you leave what doesn't. But it was so fascinating, and that really began my journey to understanding the depths of the family and meshments, the depths of how so often are rigid belief systems or only half use and half application of these belief systems keep us from our own healing, keep us from our own love, keep us from our own joy. And so I imagine when you were kind of going in those comments like you're seeing also you know, gosh, there there's a lot of wounding. There's a lot of specific patterns to how people allow themselves to stay in their story or to stay in their pain. And so I do see a lot of use in a lot of ways that that can um, that can help us serve. I would love to know from you on your website. I love this term that you use, emotional obesity. What does that mean? Well, again, it's goes It goes back to that that thought process that their emotional thermodynamics, if you're all emotions supposed to be expressed. UM. One time I was in the flow tank and UM, I was doing thirty days of floating and I had this this this thought come to me and it said that unexpressed gratitude turns into grief. And so I took that and I got out of the tank and I was just sobbing. First of all, in the tank, I was weeping, and I got on the tank. I I message certain people that I that I felt grateful for but I've never expressed that to them, And so when they when they're gone, what happens Now I'm grieving that I've never been able to express my gratitude for them. So that emotion that even if it's happiness or sadness, it needs to be felt and it needs to be expressed, you know. And when it's not expressed, guess what happens. It starts to accumulate, and then that you start to build what Just like you build fat on our bodies, we feel we build emotional fat and for a lot of people is manifested through physical fat as well. It's the body we're trying to we're trying to protect ourselves, you know. That's that's just the manifestation of the mind and the body. Like our body is very um wise and how it creates these survival mechanisms and these survival patterns. Like we like to think that things like a d D or whatever diagnosis is our body only us, but it's really our body just adapting to the environment saying look, I can't I can't deal with this in this way, so I have to rewire and go about this way of doing it. It's all about protection. So that's what our most emotional obesity is. It's just us holding go on. And now you look at shows that called hoarders and things of that nature, that's just nothing but a manifestation of what's happened on the inside the trauma. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, Well tell everybody how can they visit Inception and how can people connect and engage with all the amazing work that you're doing in the world. So you can visit us only on our website Inception EP Echo Poul dot com, so Inception EP dot com. Um, I do a lot of you know, education on my Instagram page at Mr David mccolor and those are two main ways that you can reach us. Yeah, definitely definitely check out this work. I would love to share, um. We do at the end of every episode something I like to call soul work, And I would love if you could share with the community, um, a little bit of homework that they can take home with them, and that can be maybe a journal prompt or that can be you know, just the thought to kind of savor for the day, but an offering from from the beautiful work that you do and the powerful work that you do. Okay, I got, I got a couple. But so one understand that we were never supposed to be disconnected from the earth, meaning our bare feet off the earth. And currently we're working with Clint ober who rediscovered earth thing and done over twenty six per review studies to validate that once our feet touched the bare foot of the earth, that we pick up the free electrons of it, an inflammation that's in our body is dissipated. So the best thing that everybody can do, it doesn't even cost you money. Go place your feet bare foot on the earth and realize that it's not about how long should I be on the earth, it's you were never supposed to be off of it. So twenty four hours is really the thing we have to connect back to the very thing that we're disconnected from ourselves. One. But once we connect back to the earth, that gives us more resources to connect back within. So that's one of the biggest things that you can do. And two is to understand that cease without praying or pray without ceasing. Right your people think about prayer as a as a mode like let me go sit in a corner and do this. But we have to understand that we're in a constant state of praying through our our electromagnetic frequencies that we give off. Um, it's it's our thought life, it's our what's on what's on the inside, that stored there, that's constantly sending out a signal that we're constantly receiving back as well. We're just mirroring out. We get back what we put out, right, So you have to have that level of awareness of what am I sending out, what am I constantly praying about, and what am I constantly receiving. So those two things one connect back to the earth, which will allow you to connect back to yourself and have the level of awareness of what you're putting out. I love that so so fam listening, so homework, Pop your shoes off. I want you to go outside, and I want you to just allow your feet to feel and get reacquainted with the earth very purposefully, and close your eyes while you're doing it, and just explore and see what you feel. Notice if there's anything that is sparking or shifting or coming up in your body, and it doesn't have to be ground, you know, grand I'm not saying that you're going to start levitating and flying through the air, but what are what are the small noticings Because a huge piece of the healing journey that we have been speaking to in this whole show, it's it's really about feeling safe inside of our bodies and really for so many understanding what it actually feels like to experience yourself from the inside. You experiencing yourself from the inside. What you just suggested is like, literally I live barefoot, especially especially during this pandemic um. I walk obviously through my house bare foot um, but in my backyard, in my front yard, unless I'm leaving the house, my feet are always bear I am always trying to ground um. And then I've even turned it into a little ritual before bed, David, where I love to um wash my feet and just allow myself to like wash my own feet. I washed my son's feet before he goes to bed every night as we do our prayers. And that's part of like the ritual we're building to feel grounded, connected to our bodies, but also treating what you referenced earlier, treating our souls home with the dignity and the love it deserves. It's the only place that we live, and I think that we've we've missed that fact. Like the movie was a Wizard of Oz and for our people that the whiz. If you've ever saw the movie, there's no place like home, and home was always on the inside of you, is never outside of you. So no matter where you go, you always take you there with yourself, so you it doesn't matter if you're in the place of you know, a place that looks like heaven. If you don't feel heaven here, then you won't feel heaven there either. You better say it. Oh, that's so good. That's so good, David. I'm so grateful for who you are in the world. Thank you for your work, thank you for joining the show. 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