Join Vish Chatterji, an executive coach blending Eastern wisdom and Western leadership principles, as he unpacks the transformative power of Vedic astrology and Ayurveda in personal and professional growth. In this thought-provoking conversation, Vish shares his journey from a thriving engineering career to a spiritually centered life, revealing how ancient practices can guide modern leadership.
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Now, release slowly again, deep in, helle hold release, repeating internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply, deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply.
Well. I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.
Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher consciousness.
And self care.
This is where we heal, this is where we try and send Welcome back to the Deeply Well Podcast. Of course, I'm your host, Debbie Brown, and I'm so glad to have you with us this month. November is a time where we start to really after the election, slow down, rest reflect and make space for what grounds us. We are getting ready to walk into a new year. And even though I do not believe that January energetically holds a lot of energetic potential for us, it is a marker for us societally to start something new and to really begin to expand in what will unfold for us in spring. I like to start doing.
All of this right now.
November is such a great time to start to visualize and to begin to wrap your mind around how you want purpose and healing and love to show up in your life for the next calendar year. So it always feels good for me to be on the show and be speaking with everyone in November. Our theme this month is really about coming back to ourselves, discovering new rituals, new practices and help us to feel more grounded and more connected. I know so many of you are feeling the quickening of energy and just the sense of life moving at a really overwhelming pace. Seems like that tends to get even more thick and nuanced as we climb into holiday season. The moment before we have this you know, quote unquote big breakthrough of our new year, we're usually often always confronted with things that can trigger us or bring us charge, and it often comes through the desired expression of joy, you know, this belief that coming together and being happy, And then we find in those moments we're also confronted with some of the things that could stand to come up for a review for us. So I want you to think about all that as I really gear up to tell you about the reddible topic and conversation we are going to be having today. All month long, We're bringing you tools and wisdom to help you find your balance, and today I think is going to be quite the deepening of that experience. We are diving into a very powerful topic that is so close to my heart today with a very special guest, Vish Chatterjy. After a successful career as an engineer, executive, and entrepreneur, Vish is honoring his sole purpose as an East meets West executive coach and Vedic wisdom teacher. He helps people find light through the traditions of his ancestors, leveraging yoga meditation, a your Veda, Vedic philosophy, and Yoddish Vedic astrology. His coaching practice, Head and Heart Insight serves clients across the globe, and he serves as a faculty coach and educator for the Berkeley Executive Coaching Institute at UC Berkeley. Vish holds a bachelor's in Mechanical engineering from Northwestern University, an NBA from the University of Michigan, and an Executive Coaching certificate from UC Berkeley. Vish has studied in traditional Himalayan ashrams and at the Choprahs Center for Well Being Vish is the author of the business casual Yogi Take Charge of Your Body, Mind and Career, and then newly released Astrology Decoded The Secret Science of India stages published by Mandala Fish. Welcome to the show.
Thank you, DeBie. I'm so so happy to be here. Oh my god, this is so exciting. It's been a long time coming. You've known about this book since the early early days when it was just an idea, and we've been interacting ever since that time. And here it is this week on Tuesday, it launched worldwide.
Oh my gosh, congratulations on this amazing birthing.
Thank you, Vish.
I have the deep pleasure of knowing you in so many ways.
I feel like.
We initially first connected. I want to say, I don't know which retreat it was. I feel like it was the Silent Retreat and Yosemite. No, it was way before that, so many times over the years.
Seduction of Spirit, Yeah, perfect Health here. I think we were in one of the trainings together.
Actually, yes, we were. We did a focus group. Yes, Oh my gosh. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So me and Vish go.
Back back, back, back back.
But a lot of our early origins and connecting came through the Choper Center and Choper Global, which we both have such deep ties to and such a deep relationship with.
And I do.
Remember one everyone in that like, in that circle and that ecosystem was just always so in love and obsessed with you. So everyone from the teacher lens was always like, oh my god, vicious here, vicious coming. And so when I finally had a chance, you know, to sit with you to catch up, I remember realizing when we were Deepak and I were leading a silent retreat in Yosemite with Chopra right after the pandemic ended. It was really intense, actually, it was really intense, and I remember you and I were talking by the fire and I was just like, ugh, I need to be a client.
I need to.
Talk to you, I need to have more access to you. And then that started our journey in a relationship with you as one of my just most trusted, valuable teachers in my life and guides and coaches, and You've just brought such an immeasurable amount of introspection and expansion into my world, and I'm so thankful for you.
Is there a way in the post edding to wipe away. That's very kind, that'd be very kind. Thank you, Yeah, thank you.
I mean it's so.
Deeply in a wonderful connection with you. And of course as I looked into your chart and I know your birth chart, you can see the connections there. They're beyond lifetimes, right, and we're both cancer rising, so that's supposed very interesting. But there's definitely a past life, you know, relationship on a spiritual level. So and it's interesting when you introduce my bio, so touched by it and then you said astrology astrology, and astrology is really the astral plane, so there's a connection on astral level. So there's never a slip up of words. When a word is said some way, you have to think what is the meaning there? And it is a study of the astral plane literally, right, So that's where I think the word comes from at some level.
Yeah, I love, I love, yes, thank you?
What you what?
Everyone at home might it might be edited out, but I was like an asstrology, I was like, let me re record.
This, but it's the astral plane that we walked on, like you know, because astrology is to study of the planets, right. We talked about plant and we talk about this sort of floating rock gas thing in space, and why would a rock floating out in space affect us? What a physical level, it's like saying, well, we're just bones, joints and muscles walking around and nothing else. Yeah, but there's more to us, right, There's this subtle layer of our being, this mental sort of subtle energy emotions, are you mind, our intellect, all of those things. That's another layer, subtle layer. It's in the same way on an astral level, the planets have a life, they have wisdom, they have energy, they communicate with us at the astral plane.
Yeah, okay, I can't wait to dive into all of this we have on this show. I am a devoted lover and student of astrology. I just have to say I find it to be so remarkable and so deeply useful. Like I'm like, this is my manual for how to live. And I think that's something I love so much. In the work that I do with you, I get to kind of put on this like and especially because you are a master at this, I get to get into like the finest crevices and layers of astrology, and I think that that is something that I find really uniquely special about vedic astrology in particular. Before I dive into all that, let me start a little bit earlier in your journey, and then I want to kind of unfold, like what is so unique and special and the origin stories.
Of Yodi's astrology.
But can you start at the beginning for our listeners a bit about your background? How did you find yourself on this path that is so interesting vedic astrology, yoga soul work as an executive coach, but a background of being an engineer. What drew you to unfold your purpose in such a way.
You know, it's interesting to hear you talk about your fascination with veta ch astrology. Joe Fish to say, you know, I just love this. I want to dive into it. I've always understood it, I've always wanted to know more. From your point of view, I was the opposite. I was like, I don't know about this mumbo jumbo focus focus stuff. I'm trained as an engineer, so I sort of had these two different paths. One is the path of an engineer, the path of a business executive who is all about data. What's the science, what's the data? And so in the engineering world, you have to prove things otherwise you just don't take things at face value. As a business executive in the corporate world, if you had a business idea, I had to see the proof of it. Where are the numbers, where's the business, where's the product market fit? And so astrology for me was sort of this realm of this woo woo thinking that doesn't really line up or make sense to me. And I was also raised in an Indian family, and as many of you might know, in Indian families, it's all about, you know, to get the job that makes money. So become a lawyer, become an engineer, become a doctor, nothing else counts. You want to study yoga, that's not going to lead to a good career for you. And so, as I started to understand my family lineage and tradition for many, many generations, we were people in high positions in India. But that was India under British rule. So what happened was when Britain ruled India for two hundred and fifty years, they identified this sort of senior people in society and said, let's take these people and let's brainwash them in a Eurocentric way of looking at the world. So we're going to tell them their rituals and practices. And this was you know, the people that you know, my ancestors were the people that did yoga, did vedic, astrology, did rituals. We did these magical things. We understood the consciousness of the universe and we practiced that relationship of consciousness. But then we were told that is backwater, you know, village people stuff. Let us educate you in the British way. Let us have you learn how to dress like a British person, speak like a British person. And so five six generations ago, we realized to survive in our own country under colonial rule, we had to sort of adopt a Eurocentric view of the world.
Can I say one quick thing, because it's like the British didn't come into anywhere and say, let us show you, let us teach you how.
To do it this way.
It was there is no other choice.
Well there, yeah, there's no other choice. And the thing is, how do you have a small group of colonizers take over a country of at the time seven eight hundred million people, Oh my god, right, with a handful of Britishers. Right, So it was, you know, winning the hearts and minds of the elite of India is what they did. And so they said this is our way. Our way is better. Your way is no good. That almost rewrote history and so from any generations. My family was British educated, educated in Western systems, and so we as a family looked at anything that was indigenous with skepticism. So I have a double skepticism. One is this Indian ir Veda system, yoga system, Veda ca astrology system. That is, you know, that's wu, backwater small villager thinking wow. Western science is the thing that makes sense.
Wow.
And that is also as a family, that's how we survived in our positions and income and all that was by following the Western way of thinking, the Western way of speaking, the Western way of dressing, all of that. And then meanwhile, I'm educated as an engineer, which is further skepticism. So you know, ten fifteen years ago, if you'd ask me, hey, Vish, you know, hey, what do you think of astrology? I would say, well, that's kind of woo nonsense, hocus pocus stuff. But it was through my work at the Chopper Center and in particular doctor Sujas. Do you remember doctor suhas.
He has been on this show. Yes he has.
He's the one that lit up my path. Wow, I did not know this. Yeah, So what happened was I studied engineering. I went to work in the auto industry. I was an engine engineer. I literally engineered engines. The word engineer has the word engine in it. And then I went to business school, did my MBA, went into the management ranks of the auto industry and ran, you know, these two billion dollar global business cases for cars, and I used to study people's psychology figure out what kind of psychology drives product decisions. I would study people all over the world and decide what kind of car to build in the future for Mercedes and then for Chrysler when they split.
Wow.
And it was incredible work. And it was really understanding human behavior and turning it into a vehicle, what kind of And of course, as you rise up the management ranks in the corporate world, you start to do a lot of leadership training. So I would go and they would fly us in the Mercedes airplane to Germany to these training centers in the deep in the black forest, and they would train us on human behavior and human leadership. And all of this time I always maintained a daily morning yoga practice and meditation practice as a stress relief tool. That's all I knew it for. Wow, yoga meditation keeps you stress free get through the workday. But I knew a lot of the yoga philosophy, and what I was noticing in management training, what they're teaching you to be a better leader, lined up with what I was seeing in yoga philosophy, and I was thinking, there's a connection here.
Wow.
Whatever management training I was in seemed to be a more junior, infantile way of thinking about human development that the yoga system had already figured out. The ancient Indian people had already figured out how do you perfect being a great human being? And so then when my corporate career moved on and I decided to do a startup and went through all of the California tech entrepreneur ups and downs, and I finally emerged from that mess. I thought, you know what, I think I need to coach and help people. I need to be like a leadership coach. And people are asking me for help. They said, hey, you've seen a lot of things in your career. Would you consider coaching me. I'm in a leadership journey myself as an executive, and so I started coaching and realizing that a lot of the things I could use in coaching were actually coming from the Indian yoga tradition. So that's where this East meets West coach things started happening. Was I thought, let me bring some of these teachings of yoga into the business world and help people be better leaders. And so my first book, The Business Casual Yogi, was the guy who goes into work wearing business casual clothes but as Yogi underneath, trying to find their deeper wizy them and their deeper power to lead. So that's where it started. And along that way, I thought, let me get some training in some of these ancillary sciences to yoga, like Ayrveda, and so I went to the chow Per Center, studied their Ayrveda course and got to meet doctor Suhas. And you've studied Areveda, Yes, and you remember the three doshas Yes, Vata, Pitta, Kafa and so in Ariveda medicine, the mind body medicine system of India, you for medical purposes to heal your physical body. You understand what is your unique mind body constitution and based on that, make diet and lifestyle choices to be better in balance. But I thought that was such an interesting system to leverage for leadership purposes. So why did I take this vata pitta and kafa and apply it in the leadership realm? Kind of like a personality test? Right? All these corporate people they do MBTI Myers Briggs tasks, disc profile, strength, find or all that. Why don't I use a sophisticated system of vata pitta kafa and apply it to leadership? And so then I can tell a client, this is how you lead. This is your natural mind body constitution as a leader, and here's the right lifestyle, diet and schedule to support you as a leader in the type of work you do. Right, and so, how would you figure out somebody's dosha? How would you figure out somebody vota ka? How would you from from the training? How would you do it? D NB?
Well, you have like the whole questionnaire and the questionnaire exactly, so I would give a questionnaire.
But I've got all these executive clients, right, this is corporate America. And in corporate America, if you're a type a personality, you are a reward and you are promoted. So type A which which dosha is that it would be Vata? Is the ari? Right? Like Ari? Which one is a fire? Yeah, I'm gonna get it done. I'm gonna win, right, So the fiery Pitta is what is rewarded in corporate America. Yeah, so people like self selected themselves to be Pitta. So I would give a questionnaire. Clients were cheating. Yeah, every questionnaire I gave out, it all came back Pitta. Like, how is everybody at pitta? I'm seeing in front of me of Vata? I'm seeing a creative type of person. I'm seeing a Kaffa, an earthy, grounded person. But they're all showing Pitta in the questionnaire. So I'm like, my clients are cheating. So I remember I was in doctor Sujas's office in Santa Cruz, California, sunny, nice day. I'm sitting there. He's got all his ganesh, different collection of ganesh statues in his office. And I said, doctor sue Haas my clients are cheating on the questionnaire, what do I do? This is not working? How do I apply I evaded a leadership if everyone's cheating on the quiz. So he said, Vish, look at the birth chart. I was like, what birth chart? He's when they were born, their birth chart. The astrology chart is an astrology. You believe in that stuff.
I am this is only in my mind. Who are you right now? Who were you? Then? What do you mean?
How's like? What is this? This is? This is astrology that you believe in that stuff? Doctor sUAS like, you're a scientist, you're an ir vating doctor. He said, no, look try it, and you taught me a few things. So a few clients that I trusted you would have been one of them at the time. I would say, can I have your birth information? Can I know when you were born? And like, yeah, sure, here here's the birth time. I'm aversit to it. I'd look it up. I'd pull up their birth chart and I would say, well, I see you're a this and and and from the first house of a Vedic astrology chart, you can figure out somebody's a your Vedic constitution. So I would say, look, I'm see in your chart you have this air equality. You're very creative, and you have lots of different ideas and you could turn them into really powerful business ideas and my clients would say, how how do you know that about me? I've been trying to hide that the whole time. I've been trying to be this type a person. How did you figure me out? And it kept happening over and over. And I'm a scientist, right, I'm an engineer. So it's like wow, after looking at fifteen twenty charts and every single time they're saying, wow, how do you know me? So well, I thought there's something going on here and that opened up this whole wormhole deep into astrology. And now here I am sitting in front of you talking about astrology and having written a book on astrology.
Deeply Well, that's one of the things that I find so remarkable and fun and just always playful about Veda astrology, Like the specificity always takes my breath away. Speaking of doctor Suhas, I had already been acquainted with my chart, but not to his degree. And I remember when I had gone in like maybe the first couple of weeks that I started working at Chopra Global, they wanted me to have sessions with everyone, and so I did a session with doctor Sujas and the first thing he said to me, He's like, looking at my chart. Also, Doctor Suhas is a medical doctor and an astrologer, so he like showed up in his lab coat and everything, and he's like, he opens my chart and the first thing he said was, ah, okay, so I see, Debbie, you are said to get a divorce. Now has it happened? The first thing he says to me. And I just started laughing because I had like filed for divorce like the month prior. So I was like, yeah, it's done. He's like, oh, perfect, You're right on time. So let me tell you about this and this, And then I had an experience with you recently that was just the funnest, most hilarious thing where I was asking you a question that was like really specific about my chart and about that day. And I was like, wait, how did you get that from that? And you're like, look, I'll show you. Are you wearing a watch? I was like, I am wearing a watch. I always wear a watch. He was like, well, perfect, because you should always be wearing a watch based on your chart. And then you go, what does the watch start with? And I was like cuh. And then what did you do?
Well? You can map the stars in the sky based on sounds. There's a whole system in the Vedic tradition where there are one hundred and eight different sounds and each sound correlates to a specific star location, and when you use that sound, especially in a watch or name, it activates that star in your life and then things start to happen in that way. So wherever cut was in your chart, it was activating that particular topic that we're talking about, and that was going to then happen for you. And watches are really interesting. I've been fascinating with them. I'm a watch lover myself, and it is the only thing in your life. I think there's only two things in your life that have a heartbeat and that tick. Your car right when the engine's running, it's ticking. There's a very specific beat of an engine. I know that as an engine engineer. But then a watch ticks. It ticks and it ticks and it ticks, and you wear it so on your body. You have your heart ticking, and they call it a ticker, right, and then you have your watch ticking as well. And I've been fascinating to learn that when you wear a watch that has a battery, when you put the battery in it. The battery is draining and so little by little it's dying. But when you put an automatic watch in that doesn't use a battery, that goes off your motion, that's your heartbeat is moving your body. Your movement of your body is moving the mechanism the watch keeping the watch perpetually running.
Wow.
So an automatic watch is very good for health. That's one of the things. And of course now everyone's like, I want a smart watch. Well, the smart watch dies what every four or five days? So how's that for your health? The smart watch is on, sometimes off sometimes Like what does that do? Versus a watch that's on all the time. So it's been kind of interesting to think about the energetics.
That's so interesting. I'm such a watch person and I always have been, Like, as a little girl, I wanted an old train station pocket watch, Like that was my dream as a little girl. I wanted to hold a pocket watch in my hand to shed the time. What But then you showed me, You're like, no, actually you should be wearing a watch. It's based on your chart. It's very beneficial for you to have a watch on. And I'm just someone that always loves to tell the time by a ticking hand.
Yeah. So that's what happened for me in astrology is you know, with Suhaschi. He taught me and I started to learn from him initially, and I learned like, wow, I can tell somebody's mind body constitution from the chart. But then, of course my question was, well, what else can I do with this? Now that this is working and I've got these data points, and so what else can I do? And then I started diving deeper into the system of vadic astrology specifically, I started to find you can tell a lot about you can tell about what happening to somebody's life, what happened in the past, what will happen in the future, what happened last lifetime, what happened five life times ago, what's going to happened next lifetime? And it just opened up this whole world. And then, you know, as many astrologers, I'm deep into the chart, I'm looking at the chart, I'm making assessments. But then I realized the chart is just a map of the heavens and the stars to try to map your consciousness. But then let's get out of the chart. Let's get out of the astrology, and let's get into the real world, what's happening around you, and how are events and items in your life related to your energetic and cosmic journey. And that's when I started to realizing, like, you don't need a chart. You can literally see the world around you and understand how the planets are acting. So what I did in my book is I just describe, here are these nine planets that we use in Vata astrology. Here are their archetypes, and those archetypes represent many, many things in your life. So Saturn is a slow moving planet, and it is a planet that rules time. So when you wear a watch, you're automatically honoring Saturn because Saturn marks the movement of time. Saturn also is related to karma. And I have so much Saturn and so much Saturn, and so you wear a watch and you start to calm down Saturn because Saturn says, hey, you're somebody that cares about time. When you disrespect time, you're automatically disrespecting Saturn. And Saturn causes hardships and challenges in life. So a lot of times when I see somebody with difficulty with Saturn in their chart, I say, hey, how often are you late to meetings. Oh, I'm late all the time. We'll start showing up on time for meetings. You're going to get Saturn into wac Do you wear a watch? No, I don't wear a watch. Start wearing a watch. You're showing Saturn you honor time. You're on this earth rate limited time? How will you use your time wisely? The watch is a symbol of somebody who wants to use time wisely. I came to your studio this morning and I noticed no one who's wearing their shoes. I said, let me take my shoes off. He said no, No, you can wear a shoes. That's okay. I said, really, do you normally wear shoes? You said no, I don't, not normally in the house. Well that's good consciousness because shoes are connected dirt. Shoes are connective feet, and that connects to Saturn, the not so good side of Saturn. So when you wear shoes, yeah, there's a hygiene thing, like are you taking the dirt of the outside world into your home? But at the same time, when you wear shoes, you're attracting the dirt of Saturn, the negative side of Saturn, into your sacred space. Right and Saturn causes obstacles and restrictions, so easy advice wear a watch and don't wear your shoes in the house.
Oh my gosh, that is Oh god, I just love it.
I just love it. And it teaches such deeper awareness as well, right, because I think that's the thing that I find so powerful about this system specifically, is like it's so tied to your conscious awareness, you know, it is so tied to even the honoring of your past ancestrally to your karma and what you're here to master and overturn in this lifetime. Like there's always opportunity to draw your attention to kind of what you're here to do and how you're here to do it exactly.
And that's what's been fascinating me is how much younger people, and they're of course influencing society now, how much interest there is in astrology. Right, there's just this rising of astrology in the zeitgeist now, and I think the reason is people want to figure themselves out. Yeah, Like why am I the way I am? Why do I do things the way I do? My mom and dad told me to do this, but I don't feel like doing it. I feel this way. My peer group says, I'm this way, but I really feel different. So let me look to astrology to try to answer some of those questions. And what I'm noticing is astrology is so popular in the zeitgeist, even in the yoga world. Right, So all these yoga people who are deep in the yoga tradition, they're studying the deeper and deeper messages of yoga, and then they're trying to find something in astrology because it's interesting, and they're gravitating to Western astrology because that's what's accessible and popular in society today. And then you grab Western astrology and you start to learn things about yourself and like, wow, this is interesting I'm learning. But it's a very like egocentric psychology based system. And this is where my kind of circuit's blue. The Western astrology system, as powerful it is when you look at a chart, it doesn't map to the sky. It's not related in any way to where things are actually in the sky. And so this disconnect and.
What is it mapping.
It's off it's off of the sky. And I asked Western astrology is this question recently and they said, look, we look at the sky, we see these zodiac we see these patterns were inspired by the story of those constellations. But then when we cast a chart, it's not actually related to where that is in the sky. We're looking at the chart as another tool, and so this I don't know why they use a system that's not mapped to the actual sky, but the Indian system, the Vedic system, maps directly to the sky. What you've seen in the sky is what you get in the chart. So if I say, hey, when you were born, the constellation of cancer, the actual zodiac constellation of cancer was on the eastern horizon the moment of your birth. If an astronomer took a telescope at the moment of your birth and looked east, they would actually see cancer stars on that eastern horizon. In the Western system, the calculation is about twenty three degrees off of reality. So they'll tell you, oh, when you were born it was Gemini. They'll say, oh, you're a Gemini rising, But that's actually not what you see. So what they're using is called a tropical zodiac, and you know, it gets into complex astronomy. As the Earth rotates on axis, it wobbles, and as it wobbles, it sort of shifts where the sun rises and every spring where the sun rises the vernal equinox they call in Western astrology, that is a zero degree starting of the zodiac. But they picked a point in space that keeps shifting because the sunrise the in the spring changes every year. So every seventy two years the Western zodiac shifts by one degree, and now it's shifted to twenty three degrees. But at one time the Western zodiac and the Vada zodiac aligned. I believe that's when they started their system, maybe two thousand years ago. The Vedic system is fifteen thousand years.
Old, fifteen thousand.
Easily, if not more, fifteen thousand years ald.
And so there were these Rishis, these sages of India that sat in deep meditation and they heard the message and meaning of the universe, and in their brains, in their deep complex awareness, they understood, this is the nature of our very existence and consciousness. And they intuited that the stars communicate with us, and they came up with the system of mapping what star was where they picked a fixed point in space that never changes, and that fixed point in space is how they base their calculations. So fifteen thousand years ago, ten thousand years ago today, five thousand years from now, twenty thousand, three years from now. The zodiac never changes, it's fixed. That's the Indian system. And so when I started to see this correction in math, that's when I realized, Oh, that's why I was skeptical before with astrology, because the math was wrong. And that's why I'm now a believer of astrology, because the math right depending on the system. And so these seers had this sense and they started communicating in oral tradition. They started telling people one generation after another about this system your Veda, Yoga, Vedic philosophy, Vedanta, Joddish Vedic astrology. All these systems will transmit an oral tradition. So you can imagine that from the heavens they learned something, but the moment they spoke it, some fidelity got reduced because the spoken word is not as powerful as the intuitive understanding. Right. Then, finally, after maybe eight ten thousand years of oral transmission, about five to seven thousand years ago, they started writing it down. This became known as the works called the Vedas. The Vedas right, and this is where all the teachings are in these texts. So now you lost some fidelity you spoke it, and now even more fidelity was lost once it was written down, because the written form isn't as powerful as spoken, not as powerful the listening, not as powerful as intuition. Then those texts along the way got lost, destroyed, burnt, multiple invasions, the Muguls, the Muslims invaded India, subjugated the people. The British came to India, subjugated, burnt texts, the Muslims destroyed temples, So a lot of history. So all those texts, some small percentage then remains. Then the learned people who understood the texts, like my family, were told, hey, forget about that nonsense, go study this other stuff. So not only do you lose a lot along the way, but the texts that remain were only studied by people who weren't really qualified then have their real consciousness. So then it sort of got reduced into nothing. And of course eurocentric view of history, your strange review says, the Indians didn't know anything. Everything came from outside. They were invaded by other forces, and those forces brought all these systems to India. That's like a revisionist, like colonial bridge centric way of thinking. Now with genetic testing. We're realizing, oh wait, the Indian people actually knew something. It started in India, right, So for me, I feel like an agent of this, you know, bringing back the wisdom of the indigenous culture of India. It's time now, why should we stay suppressed all this time? So then as you start to think about astrology, you start to realize where was the original system. It was in India, And this fascination of Western astrology is sort of this derivation of the original system. It has wisdom, it has power, but it doesn't go as deep, it doesn't have the history and integration with other cultures. It's almost like comparing plates and yoga. Yeah, they're both stretching, but they're totally different.
Yeah, and they both are deep and can be revolutionary, but very different. Yeah, and have some that's so fascinating, Like all of the way that you're described this is opening a few doors in my brain to things I can't wait to feast on later.
Deeply, Well, Vish.
I would love to open up your book for those that are our YouTube subscribers that are watching this on the Debbie Brown well Being YouTube page. Yeah, can I see that beautiful box you have so I brought a nicely boxed packaged book for your team.
And if you're watching this live on video, just imagine you're receiving this box as a gift. Unfortunately after actually go and buy the book, but imagine I'm presenting it to you, and I'd like to present this to your team. Thank you.
This is so beautiful.
I love the color.
I'm so excited. I'm so honored to have given a quote for your book.
So want the card and the back. Oh, this is so beautiful.
Okay, I'm gonna put.
This down and open it up.
I hope those listening are enjoying the sound of opening paper. Do you hear that?
Ah?
This is so gorgeous. This is so beautiful, gorgeous, purple color, gold.
And Debbie, take the jacket off the book, because this is what I was really very touched. The publisher made the effort to like still honor the actual jack, the actual color. It's got this gold foil and silver foil in there.
It feels so substantial.
And then the pages, the paper, like the luxuriant paper. Just I mean, I'm so touched with do you hear that? Do you hear me doing the pages?
It's Vish. It's absolutely stunning. The quality is incredible. It feels like an heirloom quality book to stay in the family and to use for generation after generation. It is gorgeous, gorgeous. Everyone go get this book. It's gonna you know, what I think is going to be so special for people when they get this book and work with it. Also have to shout out my dear friend, doctor Shila Patel, who did the forward of this book, who's the chief medical officer at Chopra Global and just incredible wise woman. What I think is going to be so fun for people, especially now is and this is my belief based on conversations I've had with people that listen to this show. We're all like, we all have big brains and big hearts and are really hungry for tools that we can apply. And so I think this book is one of the ways that kind of helps you be a scientist in your own life. You know, you can really kind of use this book as a trusted companion of looking at your life, of looking at the different facets that may be coming up and saying, like, how do I interact with this based on who I am and who I was designed to be?
Yeah, that's exactly right. I love this comment. You may being a scientist of your own life. You know, we're all on a journey of discovery and the vading system and how your Veda medicine and yoga system and in Vada astrology system. The more aligned you are with your soul, the more health, happiness, and well being you have ah and the more misaligned with your soul you are. When you're misaligned with your soul's needs, you start to have disease in the mind, which eventually shows up as disease in the body. So a lot of our modern challenges that we have in our life, psychological and physical, tend to be because we're not honoring this. The soul has a mission and an intention, and I had that right Like, my soul is aligned. My soul wants to revive the tradition of my ancestors. My soul is asking and saying, hey, you need to honor this suppressed tradition. You with your education, your voice, your light, you have a mission to share this wisdom tradition of your ancestors with the modern world. Be that bridge between the ancient and the modern. So what did I do? I said, No, I don't want to do that. I want to be a corporate executive. I want to be a CEO. I want to make lots of money. I want to rise from the corporate world. I want to get my MBA. I want to get an engineering degree. So I did all that, and in a way that was part of the soul's journey. But I clung onto it and I wanted it, and I started to have disease. I started to have disease in my mind. I started to feel very frustrated, very angry, very sort of misaligned, and eventually was showing up with health challenges growing up in my body, which happens. And at the time, if I'd been more open, if i'd gotten an a your vedic physician, they would have looked and said, you're not aligned with your soul. Start aligning, you'll start to feel better. Right. And so it took me going through the crisis of trying to create a startup and going through the frustration of fundraising, building, and then the whole startup crumbling for me to finally brought to my knees and listen to my soul.
Yeah, and now.
If I look at my chart, it's like it was obvious. Why did I see it? But I didn't understand this stuff. I wasn't aligned. And so a lot of times, you know, discovering what is your sole purpose? Why are you here? What are you here to do? Vedic astrology helps you really decode that, decode what is the soul intending, and start making choices are aligned. And that's why most times when somebody gets a reading, they're like, oh my god, I knew that all along. Thanks for validating what I already knew in my intuition.
Yeah.
So beyond astrology, the more that you cultivate and connect to your soul and your intuition, the more aligned life you're going to have. That's why when you do practices such as meditation, practices such as yoga, these are practices that are trying to align you to your soul, you start making more soil oriented choices. Even Seth Guru once said, when a yogi comes from an astrologer, a yogi comes and say, hey, please use my chart, the astrology says, why do you need to read the chart. You've already transcended the chart your yogi. When you do yoga, you change your karma, You align to your soul. You're no longer subject to the grip of these planets. You move beyond them.
It's just such a beautiful dance. Yeah, it's such a beautiful dance. And astrology especially is just to me, it's just exquisite, Like it is this beautiful, beautiful way to interact with.
Your soul while you're here, right, And I think that the intimidating part is how do I know my astrology? Right? People are like, well, it's you know, like in Western astrology, you tell somebody what month you're born, and they're like, oh, you're this sign, and then you've gravitated that sign. It's a cocktail party conversation and it's great. But then you go to Vadic astrology and your cocktail party and you say, hey, i've you know what's my Hey Vish, you're an astrologer, what's my sign? I'm born on this date? I don't know. I have to calculate it because astrology, in the Vedic sense, you have to know the exact time of birth, the exact planet location on planet Earth that you're born. You need those details to get an exact astronomical calculation. So what was the time of your birth? What was the date of your birth? Where on planet Earth were you born? Based on that calculation, I'll tell you your rising sign. So that's not as easily transmittable in a cocktail party or you know, pop culture kind of conversation. But once you know, then it's like, oh now I got to look at this complicated chart. I got to find an astrologer to tell me all this stuff. Oh my god, it's too intimidating, it's too difficult. Well let me get a book on vedic astrology. Well, all the books all out there, very complicated, right, So you know, you get like a client gets a reading and they're like, tell me a book to read, and I, you know, whatever I recommend. They're like two chapters in they're like, I'm too confused.
And they're like I need to learn another language to be able to process. Yeah.
Even doctor Sheila Petel, who's a doctor, she's like, I tried many times, I can't figure this out. Right. So my goal was to write a book that is accessible to everyday people, very accessible. You pick up this book and all I'm there to do is teach you the basic personalities, the basic archetypes of these nine planets. And once you know these nine planets and their personalities, and I tell them through story, through archetypal stories, mythology. Once you know that character, then you can understand how they express themselves through a zodiac sign and may not be known in the Western astrology as well, but every sign has a planet that is behind it. So for today, when I arrived here and Sino, I pulled up the chart and it's a Capricorn rising Capricorn. So what does Capricorn meaning? People say, Oh, it's practical, it's you know, down to you know, just cut and dry and finance, good finance whiz. But Capricorn is ruled by Saturn. So naturally we're going to talk about Saturn. What's the one planet we've talked about so far gets Saturn?
Funny, we're talking.
About watches and dirt on your shoes. That's Saturn. It's Capricorn. That's behind Capricorn is Saturn. So when you start to learn about the planets, you understand the signs better. Yeah, and then you notice in your life how these planets are communicating with you all the time because Saturn is tens of thousands of miles away in space and you're worried about it having effect on you. Sure, but it's very far away. What about right in front of your face. Yeah, somebody stuck up their middle finger at you as you're driving in the freeway. What planet is that? The middle finger is connected to the planet Saturn. In the Veda astrology, each finger is a different planet. So when somebody sticks the middle finger at you, they're saying, you know what, I hope Saturn gives you a really hard time. That's what they're saying.
That's why that matters.
So you start to notice in your life around you the planets are communicating through your everyday experiences, and so I hope is the book opens up a consciousness in you to notice what's happening in your daily life and what those signs are.
Yeah, Beautiful Astrology Decoded is officially available everywhere. Get it primed to you by tomorrow on Amazon or head to your local bookstore and get your copy. As we wrap up our time together, I'd like to invite you for everyone listening to take over and do the soul work for today. So at the end of every episode, I or my steam guest gives a integration type of experience or way of thinking to the audience that we call soul work, a way to continue to work with anything that has begun to churn or come up to the surface from listening to this episode, that they can work with every day for the next week until we meet again.
Yeah, so let's see sole Wark point of view. Definitely. So on on the so, I create a website vistrategy dot com, and on there you can create your own birth chart. So without the book, it'll be hard to interpret it. But what I've done is just put very basically the planet that rules your chart. So if you go to vistrategy dot com, enter in your birth details the best you know them, the best you know the rough time of day that you think you're born. Put it in and it'll say rising sign planet. And just look at what that says. What is the planet that rules your rising sign? It'll spit it out. That planet is a major archetype for you. So let's say that planet is Mars, Mars, the planet of five and aggression. Let's say it's Mercury. Mercury is a planet of communication and expression. Let's say it's Saturn Sants a planet of discipline and persistence and hard work. Let's say it's Jupiter. Jupiter is a planet of wisdom and knowledge and teaching, and of course you can look up those archetypes if you get the book, then they list what are the planetary personalities of these planets. But my assignment to you is figure out the planet that rules your actual real birth chart, accurate to the sky, and then look for how that planet is showing up in your life. So let's say it's in this case, in this chart we used, Sun was the ruler of her chart. Her chart was a leorrising. Sun was a ruler. Sun is a planet of will and strength and expression and confidence. So then you start to say, how am I doing in that area of life? Am I expressing myself fully? Or am I inhibiting my expression? So you might go and write down, Wow, you know I've had self confidence challenges. I don't shine brightly, I shy away from the light of light. What's going on there? Because if you lean into the planet that is the ruler of your chart, you're leaning into your sole personality and that fixes everything in the chart. That's the one thing you can do right. So if it's Sun, it's your sort of willpower self confidence. If it's Venus sets the planet. It's the beauty and connection to art and creativity, prosperity and love. If it's Saturn, its discipline, persistence. If it's Mercury, it's expression and communication technology as well. If it's Mars, then it's your willpower and courage and strength to stand up for you, believe in aggression, anger, those things. If it's Jupiter, it's wisdom, counsel, learning, higher knowledge, higher philosophy. So just based on what I shared these few minutes, figure out what is your planet and figure out how well you're showing up to honor that planet that is your sole planet.
Amazing.
Get the book Astrology Decoded by Vish Strategy. Go to the website, get your birth chart.
Combine those two things and.
That is your soul work until we meet next episode. Fish, thank you so much for joining us on the show.
I was so happy to be here. Want to tell all of your viewers and listeners that have a blessed, blessed life, know yourself, explore your soul and whatever challenge you have, they'll start to fade away as you really honor your true personality.
So beautifully expressed. Astrology Decoded Vish thank you.
Thank you. I must say thank you, I must say everyone that must stay.
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