While the Cosmos office takes a short summer break, we’ve got some bonus summer
listening for you.

This episode is the full interview Imma Perfetto did with Professor Jim McLennan, an
adjunct at La Trobe University.

A former psychologist, Jim has been involved in bushfire safety for decades. He researched community perceptions of risk following the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009, and also works in bushfire safety education.

This conversation features everything Jim has to say on our understanding of risk, how
difficult it really is to defend a home from fire, and the mental capacity that people need to survive extreme situations.

Our regularly scheduled podcasts will be back again on January 16, with a brand-new
season on vices and the science behind them.

This episode was produced by Ellen Phiddian and edited by Andrew Wyrill. Theme music by Will Berryman.

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