FIVEAA Breakfast with David & Will - 26 June 2025

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But it's after six. Good morning to you and welcome to Thursday and five double a Breakfast, the twenty sixth of June jam Pack program for you this morning and the first program this week. I reckon we haven't started by referencing the wild whether it's not the weather's not the story though. We're going to be crossing to the Kingston District Council and the Yankalilla Council after six thirty today to talk about the jetties that have just gotten smashed out in regional areas of South Australia. We'll get into that because it's a pretty complicated space in terms of who's responsible, who pays for rape payers. Otherwise we'll talk a little bit about that. We'll get you up to speed with the latest regarding the Aaron Patterson trial out of Victoria. The killer Beef Wellington or was it? We will find out with still greeping from seven News just before seven o'clock today, stern warnings from the Premier regarding some of these pay disputes that are going on at the moment. The doctors swear on strike yesterday, Burned at Ulholland will be on the program today. Are they deterred at all by the premier's strong language. We'll find out matde Amble dissect the spin of the week, and we've got your footy tips covered as well with Ryan Fitzgeral David Penberthy.

Good morning to you, Good morning, we're all good morning listeners. I think that jetties are one of the most serene things you can the best you can walk along. I just love walking along a jetty. I remember, you know, the last day of your holidays, there's always a sort of wistfulness like I think you know when you have the big summer break like we do. The last few days, you started thinking I'm back to the grind and you get to work and it's like, oh yeah's I putting on an old slipper and your fine again. But I can remember having a really nice last day of my holidays. What would it have been three years ago when that big chunk of the jetty at Rapid Bay fell into the sea and we were down at Little Inger we had been most of the time, and I was with the kids and Kate was doing other stuff, and I said, oh, I just drive down a wrapper bay with the boys and see what it looks like. Go down and beautiful, walk up and down the Jenny and yeah, just I don't know what it is. It doesn't matter which Jeddy you're at. You know, a suburb one like Brighton, You've got your sport for choice, you had a good a good list of Jenni's down your way, well, Semaphore, Grange.

Henly if you keep going, Glenelg Yeah, Brighton, yep.

But yeah, who's going to fix them? And for a place like Kingston, it's got an economic sort of element to it lately.

Yeah, these are these are times significant stories. We'll talk about them after six thirty. Today it is the twenty sixth of June. It's a Thursday, and it's also the first night of well it's not a residency, but Katie Perry appearing at the entertainment Center.

Of Full Straight Nights.

I reckon. There are a lot of listeners that we'll add kids or maybe even grandkids that've had to take the concerts in the past, and there'll be a lot of parents that are taking kids to Katie Perry tonight or over the next four days for the illuminate tickets. This morning, whenever you had had to and either hated or enjoyed could be either taking your kids to a concert. What have you've gone to see? Did you like it? Did you hate it? Have you got good memories? Maybe you were the child went with a parent. I make douple two three double or Texas on zero before zero thirty ninety five.

With your stories, I wonder if there's any other dads who were at the Miley Cyrus concert you were scarred by ram. I've been seeing a psychologist for years about going to what I thought was the Hannah Montana concert with my then tweeny daughter. So if she had probably twelve, she transitioned out of Hannah Moon Tanna, didn't she which she transitioned out of Hannah Montana at the interval at the entertainment center, And really she came out and was doing all the sort of butterfly fly away and party in the USA, and she'll be back after a short break. She came out dress like she was at the Crazy Horse Dead set. I thought were meant to put like dollar bills in a bra like it was. It was right, It was unbelievable. And there was this row of dads looking up and down the aisle on each other. When we're going well, what is this the end of season footy trip? All of a sudden was extraordinary.

Drop, I love daddy, We'll be there in a minute.

I just could have had with these other dads.

Craig and Blackwood's called in, Craig, did you have a little one you had to take your concert?

Good morning?

Yeah.

I had to take my nine year old.

To the ac DC concert.

I think it was two thousand and nine, early two thousand and.

You had to Craig. It doesn't sound like they had twist her arms.

Well, I got left with him.

Man, it was great taking him.

He learned a lot.

There's a lot going on at the ac so he learned a lot through certain songs.

First time he's seen things, smelt things, all sorts of things.

He had a great time and it was a tough.

Gig for me as well. Yeah, I would describe that as as quality parenting, Craig.

Craig described it as educational, which is who it was. Mind expanding.

I love that movie School of Rock Jack Black.

Terrific movie written by Mike White who did all the White lotus. Yeah, and he's in it, actually is he really? Yeah, he's the teacher that Jack Black impersonates. That's why, really.

You're jaking, because I've never seen in any of any other film.

That guy no appeard survivor. Actually he was a contestant and survivor Mike watch. He's a fascinating guy.

I love the scene at the end where where Jack Black's characters turned it in mister Schneevely, he's turned it into a business and he opens the School of Rock and the final scene is him teaching those kids to play a long Way to the top.

That's right, amazingly, it's a very it's a great fun film, great message to that film. The two three double O double Oh so Craig is, for his expert parenting, is in the running to win Illuminate tickets celebrate art, light, music, food and technology, to illuminate Adelaide essays premiere Winter Even in July, second to twentieth book now to illuminate Adelaide dot com. You two can be in the running if you tell us the story. When have you taken your kids to a concert? Maybe you, like Craig, brought them along, Maybe you went under sufferance like David to go see Miley Cyrus. Let us know able two three double O double Oh.

What about you will? Have you had to go to Bluie or anything like that yet with Rosie.

Been to the Wiggles. I've been to the Whiggels last weekend, went to Disney on ice.

Oh really?

Oh yeah, I'm getting into the sweet spot, just going to stuff and eventually I'm going to start taking Rosie.

David Penberbie and Will Goodings five Double A Breakfast.

Good Enough to seex. Katie Perry's first concert is on tonight, first of four. Asking you about times you've taken kids or grandkids to concerts. Maybe you did it out of love, maybe you did it because you thought it was the right thing to do. Getting some great stories through Die says she and her husband took a They're very young boy to a Kiss concert where our youngest son, at the tender age.

Of four, fell asleep.

Tough to do Ralph, good Morning, Good Morning.

Nineteen eighty eight was the hit year for Poison and they played at the Showgrounds and my daughter was eleven. Most of the crowd there were hardly eleven year old. They were mostly the waitresses from places like Cobs and Checkmates and Lolases, and the support act was a band called Roxas, and they used every four mother word in the book as they did their act. And the lead singer thought he was cute and went for a big run across the stage, tripped over a wire and absolutely stacked themselves and finished up doing the set with a blood nose. And I'm sure he lost the two Risley was the concert that I expected it to be.

Wonder if Roxes are still going.

Keep coming through all eligible for the Illuminate tickets this morning eight double two three A double low, double Low. The South Australian Police have put out a half a million dollar reward for information with regard to the whereabouts of Peter Falconio's remains, the reason being that Bradley John Murdoch, the man accused of murdering him, is doesn't have long left on this on this earth. He's never come forward, he's never revealed where the body was. He's maintained his innocence right to this point. So there seems to be a sort of feeling that this is the last chance to find Peter Falconio. Mats the last best chance. Hannah Ford for seven News has been doing a power of work covering this story. Hannah, good morning to you good morning. So they're not going to get anything out of Murdock, are they. So is the hope that maybe someone close to him will respond to a reward like.

That, Yes, well, I think obviously they remained hopeful that Murdoch will do a good deed on death door, but at this stage it's not looking likely. He's not positively engaging with them. According to Northern Territory Police, they've made sort of a last a last push to hope that he will actually reveal where he's put Peter Falconio's body As the last few days we understand detectives have gone into his pallative care facility and tried again to reinterview him to see whether he will finally give it up. But if not, if it's not him, they're hopeful that he's confided in someone over these years and that whoever he may have told, we'll find it and find I guess it inside them to come forward and finally tell police police where his body is. So yesterday when they announced on the on the eve of the twenty four year anniversary of Peter Falconio's death, that they were upping their reward too half a million dollars which would hopefully get some get someone to come forward and give Peter Falconio's family the closure they want.

It would also be a significant form of closure for Joanna Leese as well. You'd imagine Hannah in the course of doing your work on this story, do you know anything about her life now? Like, is she still in England because she's she had been totally out of the public eye as is you're right for decades now.

Yeah, as far as I know, she's still in New Yorkshire in the UK and has been a little bit of a reclose as far as I know. Throughout the doing a bit of work on this story, I've spoken to a few people who have been involved in this for a long time, including the investigating officer who actually arrested arrested Murdoch and spent a lot of time with Joanne Lees as well. The insight from her was very interesting. Joanne Lee's ms of I guess an interesting character Murdock as well. Murdock she said she found very polite, very almost manipulative, and charismatic in the way he went about things. I think we've all seen that vision where he's being hauled out of the Adelaide Court looking almost like a monster, very angry and huge is that. You know, he's such a tall man, and you know there's so many stories of when he stands up and in that in the box in court. I mean, just how intimidating he is. So to hear this insight that he was, yeah, charming almost is very interesting, but also explains why he's getting this almost special treatment and being taken out of pallative care facilities and wheelchairs and doing outings. I mean, he's a killer, but he's been given this this extraordinary treatment because it seems like the prison guards they really like him and he's made friends, which is well, it's just extraordinary to me.

Yeah, that is extraordinary, Hannah, thank you. Great reporting has always hand award for seven News here in Adelaide. Hopefully someone comes forward.

Maybe it's less extraordinary when you think about the checkered history of the justice system in the Northern Territory.

Or maybe that's true. Twenty four minutes after six, we might just do one or two quick headlines before we get to sport. This is extraordinary. We might do some more work on this. And if you're a family one of the one hundred of one of the hundred ninety nine kids have been affected by this. We'd love to hear from you today. And after school care company who left a sleeping boy alone on a locked bus has been served as suspension notice, so they've basically been closed. A primary school age boy attending Happy Haven OSH in Adelaide's North was left on a bus which was then locked and parked at a depot. The Sectors watch dog, the Education Standards Board suspended the OSH run by Happy Haven. Riverdale Primary School in Salisbury Downs have listened to this mum on seven News last night.

My children have been hurt more than twenty dollars a couple of times. Seriously, we've had three broken bones. It's happened to my kids. They've lost my kids before. There is no structure, no routine and no care. I think they're capable of running a service at the standard that it should be, that it should be up that our kids deserve, that we deserve the peace of mind that our kids are safe.

So it's not this rivedeal primary school that are affected. There are full schools that use this offshaft out of ours care. They actually bust the kids there. This is a huge operation. The allegations I.

Know it's shock, a lack of training, a lack of resources, what the story is. But whatever the case, it's completely unacceptable and it's right the regulator came down on them like a ton of bricks, as inconvenient as it is going to be for parents. The total of four schools that are affected by.

This, Indonesia's There Asia inaugural flight between Berlein Adelaide will touch down this morning. You'd arrive shortly before six point thirty. It will receive a water cannon salute. Oh yes, welcome to Adelaide. Welcome Bang, there are the cannons. Thank you very much. You can feel the excitement. Eight point three are eight point three degrees outside of the sit at. I'm up at about fifteen the expected top Today. It'll be cloudy sixteen tomorrow no rual rain to speak. Maybe a drizzle today, but nothing notable. Saturday fifteen, mostly sunny, Sunday fifteen up to two meals of rain, Monday fifteen and pretty dry, Tuesday fifteen and nothing, Wednesday fifteen and nothing. It is just consistently cold and need not particularly wet over the course of the next week.

No.

Dian Underdale's on the line die. You have to take your kids to a concert?

Oh I didn't. I don't do kiss, can't stand them. But my husband has been to every Kiss concert that's been here in Australia, and yes, one of them, he took our two youngest sons. They are only about four and five. And yes, God bless our baby. He fell asleep.

Oh good sleep, I guess, yeah, that's right. I like this one from Rob. On the text line, he says, the wife and I took a young son while he's thirty now, so that's how long it's been to see the Wiggles at the entertainment center. The overwhelming emotional seeing things that until then we're only on the television suddenly appearing in real life reduced him to a whimpering mint.

It is overwhelming for him when they're like, hang on.

What.

Adults dressed up as cartoon characters in real life? Because like a very reliable source of scaring the living daylight out of kids?

It is.

There is very funny videos, those ones you see from time to time, sort of birthday party's gone wrong when someone dresses up as Brench.

Wags, the kids get terrified.

Thank you for that. Die you're in the running to win the Illuminate Adelaide tickets to keep your stories coming through. In the meantime, we're going to talk sport because Tom Ren's in the five double a breakfast studio. The Hell's happened to our cricket team? Colours custom design, anyhouse, any style, glotter or garage doors glotter or dot Com dot Au Morning Greeney.

The Morning, Wilm Morning David.

Not good?

Is it new look top order and it is really struggling at the moment. So they won the toss in Barbados against the West in he is now I know we lost the Windys remember at the Gabba, that famous Test match not that long ago where Shama Joseph Botham to a great win.

But the next of the series wasn't competitive, No.

It wasn't and and the OSSes have been pretty good other than that. But they were beaten, well beaten in the World Test Championship against South Africa and again an opportunity but Sam Constace he made single figures three. Camgreen who they're persisting with at number three, he also made just three and Josh Inglis was also dismissed in single figures. This is how he was out.

That's in their ship book. He wants it should be taken. It's taken.

The wicket for Jorden seals another one for us for Australia.

It's been all of Western nears this morning and.

It stayed that way that audio. Thanks to Fox all out for one hundred and eighty. Now in reply, the Ausies have got two wickets, but the windows are currently two for forty.

Are they good or are we really bad?

At the moment?

I think probably a bit more of the Australians are struggling, inexperienced new top Order knows Steve Smith in there changing things around. It might be a bit of a period of transition.

Potentially, we haven't really blooded anyone, like, we haven't really had no guys coming through as much as we could have if if we hadn't just stuck doggedly to Laboushet and Khwaja. You know, I'm not saying we should have had a total clean out Smith years ago now, so those guys had been performed, had been performed, Yeah.

I think it's tight. I think they should have made the call on Kwaja eighteen months ago. I think it's long over due. Thirty eight years of age. He's lost it for my looking about forty seven overnight, so he's actually one of the ones that can hold his head. Hi Trav had made fifty nine, so he top scored. But some issues there for sure, Will and tonight big game for Port four changes then swung against Jackson. Mead is out first time this year, literally his back. That'll straighten them up. The Blues have also dropped four players.

Boy whoever loses.

So much riding on it? It's almost battle of the coaches in a way, isn't it? Isn't it?

It's the story, well.

More so for Boston for Ken because I was going to change with Ken.

That's right because we know what's happening. But a huge game tonight, so we'll be covering that one. Good on, you're ready, thanks boys. Jeers Don, David.

Penberthie and Will Gooding's five Double A Breakfast twenty three minute seven Police and where they're coming up very shortly.

Also this half hour on five Double A Breakfast in a moment to talk Jetties because whilst this morning we're not talking about wind and rain, we're talking about the fallout from it. Because some of our regional councils have got big cleanup jobs to do. That's ahead. Also, this is starting to get nasty, this fight between the state government and says MOA, the doctors who went and it wasn't on strike, it was a stop work meeting. Some of the nuances last time.

It's going to be a full state from July thirty. That's right. How's that going to affect patients? Well, this is it after seve Who else is getting a thirty percent pay rise at the moment? Anyone?

No, it's said, we do have this peculiar situation where there's a whole I don't begrudge them this, they're hugely important and required, but there's something out of balance or unsustainable about a scenario where people sustained by taxpayers who aren't getting a thirty percent pay rise or expecting a thirty percent pay rise. And it's not just that, it's just not the doctors. There seems to be this sort of negotiation with the government thing that seems that where you can make these kind of claims with a view that there's this spott onless pit of money that it's all going to be drawn from.

One of the other things too, about this union is it seems quite pigheaded and thinks that its members should should be somehow protected from ever having to work on the weekend. So what this means is that if you're stuck in hospital over the weekend, you can't get discharged. And logic would tell you that more people are likely to be hospitalized on Saturdays, in particular because of sport, because of people doing stuff around the house.

It's all right, we've got we've got amage over supply of hospital bed so it's not going to.

Be about partying. So you've got greg, you've got sport, you got home hero handhi men who don't read the instructions. Those three things tend to add to hospital presentations. And the union thinks, unlike the coppers, unlike the nurses, unlike anybody else, that's got some god given right to say we don't like working on the weekends and we want next for thirty percent. Well that's a bit rich. We've got the union coming on after seven. Yeah, we'll talk to them.

Then let's set to the Kingston District Council. Mayor Jeff Pope joins us on five double A bricks. We'll get Darryl Houston from the Yankalilla District Council on in a moment. They've got something in common when it comes to dealing with the aftermath of storms. Mayor, Jeff Pipe, good morning to you, Yes.

Good morning, good morning to all your listeners.

Thanks for joining us, Mayor. The Kingston Jetty absolutely beautiful. How badly damaged is it? Though? From the photographs I saw on the Tyers website yesterday it looked pretty bad.

You would think it's a right off. Talking to Ian a CEO yesterday, he said, if you had a car that looked like that, you're right and off. It's a mess. There's a little bit hanging out the end, probably about twenty meters on the beach side, but all the rest of its system, all piles and straggly timber, and the light that was on the end of the jetty's in on the beach and she's gone.

So Jeff. For us city types who don't have the honor of living just down the road from Larry the Lobster, what role does the Jedi play in Kingston? Because it's not just a recreational jetty, is it. It's part of your economy.

It is part of our economy. And you know, the figures are staggering, but what we've gained out of counter data there's eighty thousand people on the jety annually, which is quite amazing. It's stillly unbelievable. And it was identified of the LGAD the Values a JEDI report in twenty twenty four and it came up as one of the most visited jetties in South Australia. So it's across the board there's visitors, locals, such a valuable part and such a favorite too. People just put that on top of the list.

Is it entirely on the council on the right pace to fix it up or is there a sort of a joint finding arrangement with state government?

Oh, list, we're tied up like other jeties around South of Australia. It is under a release and we have been offered it was two point eight million, but we didn't want the band aid approach, so we've been trying to work out whether they land part because if you probably realize there's the movement of the beach. Not all the jurney was out in the water, so the partner's over the land now because of the sand movement, you know we can do something different there. We can probably save a lot of money. So we've been working through that project. But a month ago that storm hit. Then a week later another smaller storm. We had an assessment done on that as to damage and now I've written off it is insured by the government, so we've got to work out way through that as well. So you've got that partial grunt or that grunt money sitting there. That's obviously enough, but just what's the insurance going to do? Is it going to be written off? So we've we've got a few things to work our way through. But we wanted able to fix it up. That's certainly our oign But I guess one thing for sure, we've got to go to public consultation again. I would think that our public would overwhelming we want it repair or fixed.

All right, thank you. That's me and Jeff Pope from the Kingston District Council. Let's sad over to the Ankalilla District Council del Houston. He's on the line to the seventh. That'll ring true for you too, Darryl very much.

Though yes, unfortunately our Jenny was also damaged in the storm last month and it's been closed since that time, and of course sustained further damaged yesterday or the day before, and we've lost about four meters at the end of the jedny have basically dropped into the sea. So it's devastating.

Yeah.

So Darryl, we're talking here about the jetty in Normanville. Have you got challenges with other jetties in your council area? Like, are you guys responsible for Rapid Bay as well?

So Rapid Bay is actually totally controlled by it. It's not the council least one. So we as a council we only have Second Valley and we have Normanville right up to that. At least the Rapid Bay one is totally controlled and under the.

Care of it. Okay, So the Normanville Jeddy, I mean this is holiday haven, so many retirees, all the recreational fisho is like, this is a hugely important part of life in Normanville.

Yea, absolutely absolutely, And yeah, well the LGA there's a lot of work just recently in the last twelve months to show the value of jennies all around our coastline. And you know, people in the city come down out into the country enjoy the jeties enjoy the beaches, so it's it's a valuable outset to our communities. Much loved by the community obviously, people just love getting out on a jety over the sea in the regions.

Well thank you for that, Mayor. I'm Mayor Jeff Pope from Kingston and just now Mayor Darryl Houston from gang Kalila as well.

Adrian Pederick, the Shadow Minister of Marine Infrastructure is called did Adrian, what do you make of the dilemma that now befalls these two councils.

Well, look, good morning, Will and Dave, and what a dilemma. I've never seen anything like it quite with a destruction to the Kingston Jetty and I talked to both Jeff and Daryl yesterday and it look that it looks like Kingston is a write off, just at the initial view from what you can see online and certainly with yank a Lilla lost four meters off the end. Look, Jetty's are valuable assets to any community. And look, I would just urge Minister Minister at Premier Alnauskis and Minister Keustontonis have work cooperatively with these two councils to make sure that we can get these assets up and running again properly, because look, Jetty's add so many hundreds of millions of dollars right across the state to the economic outlook with recreational fishing that he used as commercial points in some jetties around the state. But certainly these are very beautiful parts of the world, whether it's Kinsman and yan Kalilla, and I just hope that we have meaningful conversations between the government and these local councils because there's going to need significant millions of dollars to get both of these jetties up to speed and also to acknowledge a robe Jetty took a hit as well, and certainly it's a bit of a side effect of getting rained. Sadly we seem like we need to get some wind at times, but there has been a masive.

Destruction to this infrastructure across the case.

It's an important issue and thanks for calling in Adrian Pederick, the memberpher Hammond, the Shadow Minister for Marine Infrastructure. We have point in a call to the Infrastructure Minister, Transport Infrastructure Minister Tom kots and Titis's office this morning as well, just to get a clearer picture of how they're repair and maybe full rebuild of at least one of these jetties is going to take place. Happy to take your calls on as well. If you're in the local areas here at be four eight zero, eight thirty ninety five or eight double two three double O. I have to read this text out Will from Goodwood. I did get a chuckle out of this as we talk about the stories of taking kids to concerts. So many parents will be taking their kids to the Katie Perry concerts. Tonight. Will and Goodwood had an educational ninety says. My wife said she was getting three tickets to a one direction concert for our then five and eight year old girls. Unbeknown to me the whole time, her intention was for me to take them, which she revealed to me an hour before the show started. After sitting through forty thousand kids screaming for two hours, the last straw was where the eldest spotted a young girl in the front row and asked me what her massive sign meant. The sign said, I'm eighteen and legal. We all learn a lot that night. Will and Goodwood, Oh my god, you that gets the illuminate tickets of will have called them. We do have illuminate tickets for stories. If of take kids to concerts, whether you liked it or did it well without even knowing you were going to like poor old Will and goodwould have to do. What a great story. We're to check traffic. We'll come back with police and weather. We'll give away those tickets in just a moment as well. Len Andrew's real estate experts in commercial Residential Property Management, Lynnandrews dot com dot Au, David.

Penberthie and World Goodings five double a breakfast, ten.

Minutes to seven. We've been talking a bit about the inclement weather and what it's meant for regional jetties. It's just cold weather at the moment, I think for the next few days. Let's find out. Simon Timkey on duty at the Weather Bureau monitor.

Simon Morning Will wanting David.

So we're not going to quite get the excitement of the early part of the week.

It looks like, ah no, things have certainly calmed down that regard. We've got a high pressure system centered near so Junior, extending a ridge over the south of the state, giving us generally light winds and not too much in the way whether either it should be mostly dry I think in Adelaide today. Looking at the radar at the moment, it's a couple of light showers out over the Gulf, but they're moving towards the north, so pretty low risk of seeing any about over the Adelaide area. Maybe there's slight chance of a light shower about the hills a little bit later, but generally speaking, very little in the way of showers today. Maybe a little bit of patchy fog to start off with this morning, mostly about the hills I think, and partly cloudy conditions during the day. Temperature was about an overnight minimum of seven point seven degrees at about ten past five this morning. Currently sitting on eight point one degrees in the city at the moment, and expecting a maximum of fifteen degrees fifteen as well for Elizabeth glenelg and no longer thirteen degrees from Mount Barker today. Pretty similar day on the way for Friday. Partly cloudy with again a chance of a little bit of fog around the hills and light winds. Sixteen degrees tomorrow after an overnight minimum of eight and then mostly sunny day on the waves for Saturday, a little bit colder in the morning dawn, the six overnight maximum of fifteen, light winds again and those light winds continuing into Sunday, but we might see a shower or two. There's a little cold front moving across which won't produce conditions as windy as earlier in the weeks. That might bring a shower to down to six again for Sunday morning. Fifteen degrees the maximum into the early part.

Of next week.

Just the slight chance of a shower here or there, but mostly dry. Fifteen degrees for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday next week.

Good stuff. Simon takes that. Simon Timkey from the Weather Bureau.

I'd said to say, Polson, you've got stall Matt Browns on the line.

Matt.

A truck crash at the Highway Kingsford.

Oh that's right, Good morning guys. Two trucks collided at about six forty five pm last night on the Sturret Highway near Argent Road at Kingsford, just northeast of Gauler in the Brossa Valley. Unfortunately, there were no serious injuries and one driver was taken a hospital by ambulance with nonline threatening injuries and one of the truck's cabins became dislodged from the prime mover in the collision was blocking northbound traffic for a short time. It's fortunately a heavy vehicle tow truck happened to be in the area and assisted to move the cabin from the road to helped start to clear the highway, and thanks to the driver's initiative, police were able to establish a flow of traffic and the roads have since reopened, but investigations into the crash are ongoing. Anyone who may have witnessed it or may have captured the crash on dashcam footage is asked to call Crime Stoppers on one hundred triple three, triple zero.

Matt, A drink driver's been caught way over the limit in the city overnight.

Yeah, this one's a bit of a quirky one, Dave. Just after midnight this morning, actually, police observed a Mazda ISUV station rear the intersection of King William Street in North Terrace and police first recognized that something was a bit of miss when the car was indicating to turn right at a no right turn signal and the green light was showing and the green light went from yellow to red and the car didn't move at all, so please stop the car and got the man out of the vehicle and then they conveyed him to the Hindley Street Police station for a breath test, where he thought it would be a good idea to run away from the police, but then he realized that he was more than six times the legal limit and once police caught up to him again and took him back to the station, he blew point three to zero four on the breath analysis instrument and the man has since been charged for multiple traffic offenses including driving under the influence, drive with excess but alcohol, drive disqualified and drive unregistered motor vehicle. So he will appear in court at a later date.

Just last week, may we don't do too many stolen dogs because I mean, who would have the heart? But Alfredo has been stolen.

That's right, poor Alfredo. But police are seeking assistance from the public to locate a three year old white Maremma sheep dog who was dognapped from an eastern suburb's backyard in the early hours of Tuesday morning. Just after midnight on Tuesday, the twenty fourth of June, a three year old Maremma sheep dog was stolen from a home on Ashbrook Avenue at Payinam. Now CCTV is captured a woman in the area at the time, and there is a picture of her and also Alfredo the dog. So get on our Facebook page and check both of them out. And if you recognize the woman or have information on where Alfredo the dog is, please call crime Stoppers on one of one hundred, triple three, triple zero.

Yes, everyone's dog, you think two. Apart from the emotional trauma, it's quite expensive too, because a dog like that would cost you quite a lot of money.

Thought, thank you for that, Matt, says Matt Brown from SAPO. Let's say to Victoria is still Greenpink is the seven years court reporter there who has been doing some really important work covering the mushroom murder trial. We just want to get a bit of an update of what the state of play is as we speak. Is still good morning to.

You, morning guys.

How are you going?

We're good things to stell. So how many weeks has it been now and how confident are you that it's actually going to wrap up today?

So we're in week nine. I just want to reminder realized this was estimated to go for six weeks?

Is that a record of step?

Look, I personally have never covered such a long trial, but I guess we've got to remember this. This trial has a lot of parts to it. You know, it's three charges of murder and one of the attempts in murder, so there is a lot of evidence to get through. But this week we are in the stage of the judge's charge or his final directions to the jury. And we were even initially told that this charge might go for about two days. It's now looking like it will continue into today and that the jury won't even be sent out to deliberate this afternoon. So the earliest that they could go out and start talking about a verdict would be tomorrow or Monday. So if it gets to Monday, that's setting into week ten.

So for these jurors, they've totally keeped up the whole time, aren't they like they have to? Are they allowed to stay with their families or have they effectively sort of been hearded off into some hotel for the last nine weeks.

Look, they're not in the hotel yet. They will be sequested into a hotel once deliberation start, and I think that's something that's probably playing on their mind a lot, because they are spending from ten thirty to about four every day sitting in this jury box. I think even earlier in the week, the judge sort of was a bit jovial and he said, look, I just want to give you an update. Don't need to bring your truth brushes in tomorrow. That's how he's kind of been hinting to them. You know, you've got another day at home, but the time that you're going to be herded into the hotel is coming.

Wow.

Do you, as court reporters are still ever do any sort of jury whispering? Do you have you ever got a firm bead on whether when they retire for a long time or a short time it tells you anything about the way in which they're leaning.

Oh never, I mean we're really warned at the start of every trial to really avoid any drawer, not speak to them if we see them coming, almost go the other way.

Sure, I didn't mean quite literally whispering. I sort of interpreting the length of time at which they retire. Having covered lots of trials, does it sort of tend to indicate one thing or another if it's a long time or a short time.

I think it's.

Really hard and obviously it's something that a lot of the reporters down here we speculate about on the daily. How long do you think it will take? And interestingly, the only communications you'll ever get from the court is if a Verdi comes back or if the jury come back for a question. I think if they come back for a question during the deliberations, that can sometimes hint this might take a while because they must be in that room sort of nutting it out, you know, people not agreeing. But it's kind of like how long is a piece of stream?

Yeah, it is absolutely nine weeks. I can't think of a trial that's gone longer.

That's amaz thank you for that.

As stelle a still grouping there for seven News at at the courthouse in Victoria. The case I remember that caught all the media, the entire news media locally on the hop was in the mid nineties, the war crimes trial against Ivan Polyukovich that the jury retired and all the gnos at the court, the Supreme Court, they went off to Mumma Ghetters and Luchis to get coffees in that and the jury came back. I think it was about fifteen minutes and everyone had left. The foreman stood up and said, we find him not guilty. You're kidding, and Polykvich left and people didn't get vision, they didn't get photographed.

Fifteen minutes.

Yeah, they just straight away did this guy? They wasn't they on the button, the evidence before the court and the historic time lag. The jury just went. We were not buying it, and none of the juno's were there. It was crazy, extraordinarany. It's coming up to seven o'clock five to blow news on the way. On the other side of the break, we'll be chatting with Bernadette Mulholland from says Mah with regard to their threat for a full day strike on July thirtieth of their claim for a thirty percent pay rise isn't met. Also, the first application of Sophia's Law and Sophia Naysmith who was hit by the Lamborghini and the law was changed because of how that case was dealt with or the absence of laws to appropriately deal with it. In the eyes of many of our listeners, well, how does that play out? What does that mean? Now? We will talk about that. After seven o'clock, David.

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Good morning.

I don't understand rude Bernadette, but you guys are kidding yourself. Thirty percent, he's off the charts.

Well, look, we have to look at a couple of things. Don't wait in t of real wages. And I've said this quite often. We have had suffered a loss over this government drain of about thirteen to fourteen percent. We've had increased cost of living and increased inflation. We know that they gave the police Association between eleven and nineteen percent for one year and didn't have to do any enterprise bargaining on reflection of retaining of retaining police officers.

Here.

We're happy to sit down and we've talked to the government and were really pleased to hear the Attorney General say on air yesterday that they are prepared to now increase the dollar amount to trainee medical offices. But we yet to sit down with this state government negotiated and understand what would be a better proposal than the ten ten and ten. There are lots of things that are in our enterprise agreement, including workforce planning, including the fatigue and burnout measures. I was incredibly disappointed to hear the Attorney General and to read in the paper today about fixed hours and doctors not working on the weekends.

Why shouldn't you, Why shouldn't your members have to work on the weekend.

And that's what I was coming to. Our doctors work on the weekend. And what's actually going to frustrate our doctors even more is this commentary that our senior doctors don't work on weekends. We even checked that with the negotiators, the government's own negotiators. They acknowledge that all our senior doctors work on the weekends, but.

Do enough of them work on the weekends because there's a bottleneck with patients being discharged.

Absolutely enough of them work on the weekends. They are all rostered to work on the weekends. And what I'm a little bit unclear about is what the problem actually are because we haven't sat down. We only received only received the state government's requests for a clause for fixed hours a week ago, and it was silly. It was just outrightly silly. They only want it for specific areas of the health system. And to suggest today as I read, that flow is impact because senior doctors aren't working on the weekend is ludicrous. They do enormous amounts of work out of ours unpaid on the weekends for the public hospital system. And I'm now really worried that this is going to put off our doctors contributing in the manner that they do because I'm not appreciated.

But I want to take you back to something you said at the start with regard to how much money doctors are out of pocket and the life of this government. I was just trying to reverse engineer that calculation that sounds to me like what you've done is simply multiplied the rate of inflation by the previous years of your EBA, in which case you're not actually out of pocket anymore than any other South Australia.

No, but this is a system that we're actually working right, So.

Yeah, and I get that. So I just want to ask you this, then, over the course of future EBA negotiations, would you be happy for future pay increases to be tied to the rate of inflation we're likely to had for the next three years.

Can I even step you back? That is exactly what we did in the last Enterprise agreement. That is exactly what we did. Our doctors accepted one point five percent increase for their annual salary over three years. We were very accepting of that, but what no one understood was what was about to happen in the increases of inflation and cost of living. And so we recognize that we built it into the ways increases. We've seen a reduction in pay for our training medical offices. We've seen that we're not competing with other states. So to say that we don't look at it, but that we don't understand what we need to do is just is just not true.

I don't want to get too class. I don't want to get too class. We're about this bird of debt. But the Treasurer, Steve Mulligan, was on our show yesterday. He said that the actual pay rise you are asking for, the pay rise itself, if you get your thirty percent for some of your members, the pay rise alone would amount to two hundred and sixty thousand dollars for an individual doctor.

And we talked to our members yesterday about some of the figures that are coming out from the government regarding our being as specialists. We accept that some of those doctors are paid well. A very small majority of them are paid well, and why do we pay them well to attract and retain them here in this state so that we can bring care closer to home and that people don't have to travel to the Eastern Seaboards. So there are, but there are many more doctors, many more doctors from a very junior level and moving forward, that aren't being recognized and aren't being paid, and aren't being valued for the contribution to the public health system.

It isn't by definition when you're a junior you're coming up through the ranks. I mean, you don't need to be paid exorbitantly from the get go, certainly, but you.

Want to be competitive so that you can attract those trainees here to this state. What will happen, What will happen if we don't have a long term plan about paying conditions for our training medical offices, is that they'll go elsewhere. We heard stories yesterday that five training medical officers had the choice between coming to South Australia and going to the Eastern Seaboards. They went to the Eastern Seaboards. And what we're going to see is a long tail of an inability to fill positions because we are not training those trainees, those junior doctors here locally, and that is going to be a problem for South Australia. We are happy to negotiate with this government about pay increases. We've said that over and over again. Sit down, talk to us. We were pleased to hear the Attorney General say that he was going to increase the junior medical officer's rates for all levels. But there's a cost for trainee medical officers when they do their training. It is thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket. And coming back to your comments about we shouldn't be paying these trainees a lot of money, these trainees need and are in being trained in supervised in surgery in our emergency departments. And to then turn on our senior doctors and say that they don't work on weekends is an outrageous statement to make. To bring the community aside, well.

It is a pay dispute, so you know you're going to have to win hearts and minds and battle those sorts of claims. And frankly, I don't know if you've read in the room that well, I mean the coppers are getting four percent and twenty twenty five four percent and twenty twenty six. I know that you yet to be negotiated, but you know the SOB story that you're running. I don't think our listeners are buying it, and I really hope that you think long and hard about the impact that your July thirty strike action could have on patient care. Bernadete mar Holland from the essay Salary Medical Officers Association, thank you.

One other thing we wanted to quickly touch on in the news wrap. This boarding was the first application of Sophia's Law. You might recall the horrific death of Sophia Naysmith, the teenager who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. When I'm going to use the right language, don't we a Lamborghini hit and killed her. The reason we have to be careful the language is because it didn't and in the vise of many of our listeners, the way in which the law worked didn't quite reflect how people felt about the case in the past, so a new law was brought in. Now it has been applied to a case that was heard at the Adelaide Magistrates Court where Elizabeth Crane's, a twenty seven year old, was found to have caused death by careless use of a vehicle On Wednesday. We are joined by James Marcus, the criminal barrister at lenn King Chambers. Just to tease this out a little bit, James, good morning to you.

Yeah, good morning.

So, Sofia's law in simple language, what did it mean in a case like this in its first application? And how is that different to how things would have been in the absence of it.

So what Sophia's Law is is a law that creates an offense of causing death by careless driving and applies to that in the ordinary course of maximum penalty five years imprisonment and a mandatory license disqualification. And so where that fits in is the old brier. To the introduction of these laws, there were two tiers of driving offenses that cause death or harm a causing death or serious harm by dangerous driving and causing death through an offense called aggravated driving without due care. So in offense careless driving, the maximum penalty for the dangerous driving offense was fifteen years imprisonment for the basic offense, and for the driving without true care it was up to twelve months imprisonment. And so what Sophia's Law did was bring in what might be described as an intermediate position between those two, with the maximum penalty of five years imprisonment.

So, James, we've discussed this a lot with Sean Fuster. It felt like there was what was needed was a sort of middle category of offense that would give the courts an option of finding some sort of middle ground because a lot of these cases causing death by dangerous driving, the courts just weren't going there.

The difficulty with this case is this defense is unlike most other criminal offenses. So most criminal offenses consist of an act done with a state of mind. That is, you hit someone deliberately, that's an assault. You stole something dishonest, well, you took something dishonestly, that's a theft. This offense has no mental element, no state of mind. It's just simply if you drove dangerously, you are guilty, or if you drove carelessly, you are guilty. And often the trouble of this offense and why it is so often emotive, is often it claims the lives of innocent people, as your preface said, just going about their business. And the trouble is as well, it's often committed this offense by people who never meant to harm anybody. And so you've got this issue of people who have done an act that probably most other motorists have done on the road that's led to extremely serious consequences with no intention.

To do so.

And so that's why this matter is so emotive. But to answer a question, the difficulty is here is what we're doing is we're criminalizing hairless driving, which has always been criminalized and could carry a maximum penalty I of up to twelve months imprisonment, and the maximum penalty is now been raised to five years. And it is understandable that people, particularly in the case that gave rise to this, where mister Campbell was driving in a way that the community it appears has had taken umbrage with and claimed the life of a young lady. And it's understandable that that is a horrendous situation. It shouldn't have happened. But by the same token, we need to be very careful about raising the maximum penalty of an offense that people can commit with no intention to do so we're penalizing the outcome more than the intent. And I do encourage people to actually read the judgment in that case. The queen in Campbell from twenty twenty two, where Judge Musket explains in over three hundred paragraphs why this offending was careless, not dangerous, but nonetheless the.

Yeah we didn't buy it. I read it made me want to throw up. James Marcus, thank you for joining as criminal barrister at Lending King Chambers's Law. We've got disgrace that the way the law operated in that case was appalling.

And it was changed. The we've got movie tickets to give away a family pass. Eight double two three double O double oh is the number. What we want to hear from you this morning is the embarrassing nickname you're willing to admit to that you use or receive. Okay, it could be for a loved one. Could I vote? Will go from eight double two three double O double oh? Is the embarrassing nicknames? Why we might be across. Mark Rudo, who is the ahead of NATO, is the NATO Secretary General.

He's got a nickname? Has he no?

He used a nickname?

He has a wooden mark nickname.

B David leave it alone. He sent Donald Trump a really fawning text that was somewhat embarrassing. Really about what a wonderful job he was doing. Then Trump tweeted out the whole world to see, and then they had this exchange.

They had a big fate like two kids at the school year, you know their fate like hell, you can't start.

Let him fight for about two three minutes.

Then it's easy to start them.

Then daddy has sometimes strong language.

Strong you have to use a certain word. I think, yes, we're going to join some.

Trump talking about swearing of it Israel and Iran, and Mark Ruder said yes, because daddy had to use some language. And don't you think Trump had fun with that at he's press conference after Mark Ritter, the NATO chief, who is your friend?

He called you daddy earlier?

Do you regard your NATO allies as kind of children?

No, he likes me. I think he likes me.

If he doesn't, I'll let you know.

I'll come back and I'll hit him hard.

Okay, did he did it? Very affect your daddy? You're my daddy.

So things are going well NATO those they're all getting along. You're embarrassing. Nicknames will send you to the movies. Let us know eight double two three double o double textas and sert four eight zwer Like thirty ninety five as well, what.

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Seven Matt Abraham not too far away. We're talking embarrassing nicknames after the NATO Secretary General Mark Ruter referred to Donald Trump as Daddy early Little Today Marco Rubio is worth seeing in the background of the press conference where Donald Trump's asked about it, he can barely contain that he's absolutely cacking himself. To ask you about embarrassing nicknames. We're going to give away some a Wallace family past, Greg and Hallett Cove. Is it your nickname or someone else's?

Unfortunately it's mine. Yes, Yeah, the name is Tossil.

Okay, Tossl has a date, ask, but please expand.

It was an unfortunate accident in primary school where a teacher saw me naked and her comment was that I've got the cutest little Tossles she's ever seen.

Oh good, Okay, that's actually worse than I could have possibly imagined. Thank you, Greg, and more embarrassing than I could have possibly imagined breaking Birkenhead.

Good morning, Good morning, David.

Will.

I used to hate this name.

They used to call me Frank and further instead of Frank.

Oh yeah, that's a no, it's low hanging fruit that one, isn't it.

From the Rocky Horras show? Mate? Yes? And does it follow you into adult life? Frank? Nothing? Do you still get it today? Frank?

No?

I don't know.

It was just a work. This guy used to always call me Frank.

Further, I feel like we need to give Greg the family pas because as far as meeting the brief goes a nickname you got from a teacher when you were naked as a small child that's still with you as what sounds like an adult.

There's a lot of unpacked there. I'm just not sure if the statue of the limitations is expired.

You're gonna well a stem a pass coming your way for giving us exactly unfortunately what we asked for. Five double A news is coming up mayde Braham, David.

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Matts.

Love Thursday Mornings, Suh, Thursday Night forties on the night of the weekends. Just around the corner, and Matt Abraham is in the five double a breakfast studio where us Good morning you man.

Good morning now. Have been practicing in this whole week to get it right. Good morning, Will and David Ah.

What's in a name? Junter gets called Jane, Mark and Pimbo. We're at the ABC.

It's nice to know how the indelible mark you left on the brains of politicians in South Australia.

You should wear like a badge of honor, and a deserved one because you're at the top of your game for a long time. You're like the You're like the You're the radio equivalent equivalent of the clips. That's right, I've the clipsing for years and everybody thinks it's Baton day.

I think they were all so scared of going on with you. Guys, even those that weren't in politics at the time are still somehow scarred from.

They sit around you think you've got a tough with Will and David, let me tell you that sunny morning back in seventy two, they have got a tough.

Kevin. That was TV. That was your office, Magnus.

We that complaint ran for about two years, not ey to make friends, and I still think we were right.

It's a big hello to Akhma. Well, actually should you say this?

I thought I was Mark Scott, who I thought was a terrific c of the ABC when we had that ruling against us over the I can't even remember what was about anymore. It was about something to do with Kevin Foley. The ABC defended it very vigorously. It didn't cost them one point one million dollars, by the way, But when I found against this, they just said, oh, we note the finding. And it shows you the power of words in all these sorts of things. Because what the authority, and I won't name them particularly, but I think it was Actman. What they what they wanted was the ABC accepts of finding and that would have been a bit you know, we wouldn't have been happy with that, you know, as broadcasters, because they defended it. So if you defend something, you know through a process, if you're an employer, do you then say you accept the finding or do you just say we note the finding. Funny, isn't it. Little words in politics and in business and in the law carry a lot of weight.

Notees got a innately grudging quality to it. We know that it happens.

It's you know, yeah, okay, yeah, moving right along.

You would have known that the poll last weekend.

I did this has got an extraordinary poll the a This is the Yugov poll in the Advertiser.

It's the first poll.

Okay. We've had two by elections, which are effectively the best poll you can have because they give you the result. So that was in a Dunstan and Black and we know Labor Party won those off the Liberal both of them historic wins in by elections. But this, this poll shows the al piece primary vote. This is before preferences and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, this is your base primary vote. And keep in mind that federally, both Labor and Liberals primary vote is like load of mid thirty percent after the last federal election. I think it's about thirty four percent. In other words, a third of people or two thirds of people didn't want Labor in the two thirds of people didn't want Liberal Party in So the labor primary vote is forty eight percent, so it's almost a half. You know, if you get over fifty percent and you're in a seat, you don't have to go to preferences, you walk it in. So forty eight percent. The liberal primary vote is twenty one percent, twenty one percent.

It's only seven points ahead of the Greens.

Yeah, Greens are fourteen, you know, obviously, and you add the Green vote largely the labor vote, as we'll come to in a moment. One nation seven and then there's independent candidates eight. Who knows who they are. So that primary votes up eight percent from the twenty twenty two election last election, which was pretty you know, you could describe it as sort of an unexpected landslide. And the liberal votes down fifteen percent since the last election. So let's go to two party preferred sixty seven to thirty three percent, sixty seven percent labor. And what's to me really compelling? Okay, Labour does very well with young people. So if you look at the eighteen to twenty four year olds, it's fifty two percent fourteen to liberals, twenty five to thirty four forty nine percent sixteen to liberals. But go to the fifty five plus a grumpy old men and women, normally conservative voters fifty five to the alp.

So Mali's approval rating in that same category in over sixty fives and also in country voters, his approval rating as premiere is sixty nine percent or above.

It's extraordinary with old.

Men and country people normally the bedrock of support for the Liberal Party.

And that's right. And this is by the way, Metro and regions, and this is very unusual. The votes basically same, forty eight percent for labor both in the Metro and in the regions, and so that reflects in the preferred premier thing and only twenty seven in the the regions for the Liberal Party. So that's that should be there. You know, if they're going to have a strong vote, it's going to be in the region. So so imagine the met bond there is eighteen percent.

Imagine you're a Liberal Party strategist, Matt or a Liberal Party party remember sitting there, you know, after another draining question time, sitting at the back one of those green leather chairs. Are you in the Will Goodings camp, which is we have to act, we have to move against Tarsi and now as a matter of urgency, or are you as I was saying the other day, no point changing. Now you're just going to crawl another potential future leader.

Well, I mean Will's camp on this one, because what do you do if the bus, if you're going to get hit by a bus, you know, do you just say, well, wait a minute, I'll just get run over by the bus and then someone will come in and pick it up, but that person squashed flat? Or do you somehow push the person out of the way of the bus or push the party are the way of the bus? The potential Okay, and we all say, you know Ben Hood, who doesn't have a seat in the Lower House yet, Ashton Hearn, maybe Jack Batty. These people the next generation in a way, what will be left if they go on their current trajectory? And if this poll is born out in a few months time in the March election, so I perhaps six seven months time, if this pole is born out, what's left to pick up as a new Liberal leader well, or form a party of two seats.

It could be worse than that. If your plan is keep my powder dry until after the next election, your powder may have been blown away by the time you get to the day after the March election, they might not be in politics anymore.

That's right. You may not have a seat. On these figures. There won't be a Liberal metropolitan seat. There won't be many Liberal country seats either, rural seats. So what are you saving? I'm keeping my powder dry to lead a party A. I may not be here to lead the party, but let's say I somehow survive. I'm keeping my powder dry to lead a party of two and which is what the w A Liberals West Australian Liberals faced.

So that will mean using the what I now called like Duckworth Lewis the Abraham the Abraham Gooding's rule. Peter Malinowskis will face his fourth Liberal leader in less than one term. Yeah, yeah, doesn't that just invite Has it got not ridicule where and if they change? That's that seems to be on the cusp of an election. The thing that I think where your plan falls down is it gives labor a huge chance to just sort of laugh behind their hands about it, and the voting public will go, who are we up to now?

But I think we're at the point of the discussion where you have to start thinking. And I don't know what the answer this is, Matt. Maybe you've seen this some version of modeling on this before, But there's got to be a natural voter flaw, right, what's the minimum number of people that will vote liberal in any election that that's just because that's just what they do? And are we getting are we fast approaching that point in this pole? Because if that's the case, there is nothing to lose, and I actually think we're dangerously close to that, the Liberal parties, dangerously close to that point where these what's the ones that are left are the ones that aren't going to ever change. The challenge is winning back those that have gone over the other side now, So I actually don't I don't think there's any risk that.

The last time the Liberals that I can remember, was spooked by a pole and had a leadership change was when Dean Brown was a premier and he was a very popular premier, had a huge election win on the back of State Bank and all that sort of kitten cabodle, John Olson, John Olsen and his supporters, certainly John Olson's supporters, we'll use the nice terminology here. There was one bad poll for Dean Brown, and on the basis of that, they destabilized. And now, I that.

Was a disaster for the Liberals.

You know that that what should have been sort of three or four term government became one term majority government, then became a minority government. But I regard that as different because that was a that was a leadership change driven by just pure ambition. This and payback and payback is all sorts of you know, the hat Field McCoy sort of thing going on, which crippled Liberal Party. But this is different. I mean, this would be survival. This isn't about personalities. I don't think this would be about survival this pole because that pole, I can't remember what the numbers were, but wasn't wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as this. Yeah, you know, they might have gone down one or two points. It wasn't a it wasn't a catastrophe.

All right.

We're going to take a quick break. More from Matt Abraham in just a moment. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof design manufactured and installed locally by Loubouse, David.

Penberthy and World Goodings.

Five Double a Breakfast six minutes to eight Matt Abraham and the five Double, a breakfast studio that you can watch it on the Facebook or YouTube live streaming out. One of the chats we had this week here that got a heck of a lot of feedback was with the Housing Minister Nick Champion.

It's very positive feedback, was it not? Particularly were you?

Were you deluged with text saying go Nick, we need more government characterize it. It reminds me Nick Champion, who I don't know what it takes to get excited, you know, because I reckon being a minister's a great job.

You don't have to do.

Much, you know, like well you get other people do all the writing stuff for you know, give me a briefing on that. We that's why you know, five o'clock amorrow morning, all this sort of gear. But so really all you've got to do.

Is look interested, sound like you care.

Have a look at that. You know, the education minister in this government, you know Blair boy, he always looks like having a great time, loves passionate about it. Only think yeah, I don't know what you're doing, but you look like good, you know, And there's there's Nick no I open another fourteen thousand homes out on assault Plans plan some way, I don't know. Anyway reminds me of Bob Carr with Frank Sartor, who was the Lord Mayor of Sydney. You remind me David and was an environment minister and Bob car I think, rang him up after he'd done this press conference about some endangered frog that'd say, and apparently he said, it's a frog. Frank, you're the environment minister.

Look interested. I always remember that it's a frog. Anyway, So there.

You go, Nick Chamber. They're trying to be humble, which brings us to some spin.

Matts. Now.

The first is a montage Ashton Hearn Vincent Tazi who's standing and nodding approvingly while Ashton Hearn's speaking, and then Peter mal nausks looking at the possibility or ruling out the possibility of regime change in the Liberal Party, and the voice of Mike Smithson, the old, wily old Fox introduces this on seven News. Shadow Health Minister Ashton Hearne is the hottest tip to take over Tazi's job, but says that she won't be a challenger.

Absolutely not.

Look, Vincent has my full support.

He's got the full support of our entire team.

What we're focused on doing is to make sure that we don't have a dictator like a government and premier.

I am and my whole team are really conscious of the fact that being in government is a privilege.

I just it was almost a perfect one after the other treats of top shelf spin.

Who did it, but who wore it best?

I think Ashton, you know just that delivery. I mean, what are you going to say when when the leader's standing next to you.

She's a good performer. Yeah, she rulling out a challenge doesn't rule out running if the leader steps down.

Yes, yes, I think I think it's a nightmare scenario. I think she lives in fear of that happening. I don't think she's got any interest whatsoever in doing anything like that this term.

She might not. I think all of her colleagues should be really energized by trying to convince her other she's because she's an excellent performer.

There ye are. I think she'd be a great count at the Malley because you could actually get under his skin by going to what I think could potentially be if if they did it the right way. A weakness for him, which is his sort of bloke easter blakiness. Yeah, bit of it.

Just be it has to be a woman the Liberal Party have running against or Nicole. Just open pre selections for McKillop. Nicole Flint could do the job anyway. There's three of them, giving him three out of ten. Now, I know you played this grab of Donald Trump after dropping the bunker busting bomb on I run and then drop the F bomb on Israel and Iran. But what a lot of people don't know, and I got access to this, is that there was more of that audio, so you'll hear the F bomb, But just have a listen as he walks towards the chopper that they don't know what they're doing.

Those two little ships are fighting like kids.

If they don't knock it off, I'm going over there to slap the out of them and shove my foot up where the sun don't shine. It doesn't do what's faking real anymore? That was excellent. I saw that.

I kind of wish he did say that.

He might have one day.

Yeah, I bet he said it when he got on the show. Totally anyway, and you have to be so careful with AI now because it is so good.

This might be the first time I have been rated for spind of the week exactly.

Well, I'm giving it a big ten out of ten.

Mass.

All right, we'll catch you next week, mate.

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No minutes after eight breaking eight coming up in just a moment, we're gonna be chatting with some parents of the one hundred and ninety nine children they're gond have to find alternatives to the ash at the Happy Haven at Riverdale Primary School that has been issued a suspension order by the Education Standards Board. This is the osh you might recall that left a child on a bus that then got locked up and sent back to the depot because the child fell asleep, and they run account.

For him to the parent to take out them. How simple, Well it sounds like it should be foolproof.

It would appear that there are concerns beyond just that case that have led to this suspension as well. So a couple of concerned parents are going to speak to us after eight thirty on the condition of anonymity, which of course we will honor. If you are one of the affected families too. We would love to hear your take on this eight double two to three double double or Texas on zero before eight zero, eight thirteen ninety five. So we're going to do some more work on that after eight thirty. We'd love you to be part of that conversation because there is no more serious responsibility than trusting the care of your children with someone. And there are one hundred and ninety nine families that have got a story to tell this morning, and we'd like to hear them. So we'll get to that after eight thirty. Right now, it's time breaking up.

Well, there's now very long six weeks since Port Vincent Oysters on the Beautiful York Peninsula has been shut down. It's one of a number of oyster farms that has been hit by PERSA with a closure order. Steve Bowley is the owner and operator of Pacific Estate Oysters and he joins us now for breaking it eight. Steve, this must feel like it's been an eternity for you. Now. I understand there's a meeting with PERSA today, but remind our listeners, what what was the thing that forced the closure?

Well, let's the bloom which has been it's now what is it, fifty three days since we've been closed, So fifty three days since we've sold an oyster. So yeah, the album Bloom, which is the size of kangar Woland, so some four thousand square kilometers, is it's now basically right through gulfs and vincent is affecting. That's the thing that's creating the fish kills and rotten smell, and there are some health effects on people running noses and you know, eyes and sore throats.

Have they had evidence so that the bloom itself has affected your oysters or are they doing an out of precaution, Well, no, it.

Is so that bloom. The Bloom is made up of a soup of various species of algae, and a couple of them have serious health effects on humans, and that one is called well that Karenia. They're all Karenia Karenia brevis is. There's probably three or four that are harmful, and so that creates a brever toxin, which is a neurotoxin, and that's not good and creates some real problems for human health. So it was initially a precautionary closure because we saw and by the way, we've never seen this in Australia before, in particular Topsin and typically bloom events tend to be very short term and very localized, so you know, when you're getting something that is the size of a small country, it's probably time to throw that rule book out and let's have a look at another one. So that's the thing that's bought an issue is the brever toossin, which is a subset of the ourbal bloom that's out there and basically right through a golfs of vincent at this time.

Are you confident or rather a hopeful steve that the that the storms, that the weather we've had might force a rethink though on the band, Well.

Yes, well again we've had what our free weather events. We haven't been out. I haven't been out this week yet. The weather's been a bit shitty, But the previous two weather events didn't do anything to the bloom. And I think people need to understand when it's the size and weather events as we've seen and gets reported in the news all the time, it's not a consistent thing. So you might get one hundred kilometer our winds in one area and then you know, twenty kilometers down the road they get nothing. They've got sunshine and you know, cool breezes, so we're seeing that. I think it should be breaking up. But again, the size this thing is unprecedented and that's the issue for us.

Fifty three days haven't sold an oyster? How have you been making ends? Meet O?

Now, yeah, that's a good one. Put it this way. My wife and I sat down and she said, that's it. We're not putting any more money money into it. Things still have to be paid. We have an insurance bill which is like eight grand or something like that, and we're dipping into our savings and we're fast running out.

Well, mate, fingers crossed that you get some positive news when you have this meeting with PERSA this week. As you say, hopefully they'll have some more information for you. Will stay in touch on this because you know your oyster is absolutely magnificent. And you told us too that they're looking good at the moment, so hopefully they'll be. They'll be back on our plate soon enough. Steve Bowley from Pacific Estate Oysters on York Peninsula.

Fifteen minutes after right. There's a story that's been bubbling along behind the scenes in Adelaide since the start of this month or in the end of May. Really it came to our attention when strike action by accident cabbies threatened to make life difficult for the Wheelchair Rugby World Challenge, one of the biggest events of its kind in the world, was taking place at the Netball SA Stadium at the start of a journal end of May, that sort of weekend that straddled that the strike action happened, and we went, well, that's the timing of that would seem to be cruel given what was going on. We were contact by an access cabby in the context of that conversation that said, actually, there's an issue here that we want to bring to the public's attention with regard to a new rule from the state government that taxi drivers can no longer be booked. Debbie has gotten in contact with us subsequently with some of her own concerns. Debbie, good morning to you, Good morning, How are you.

We're good, Thank you, Debbie. So what are you seeing with the state of play with the cavies at the moment.

Well, it used to be like so our clients would have their own taxi driver who would pick them up in the morning, take them to their activities and then pick them up and then return them. Now these taxes others have known clients for a couple of years now, but what's happening now is we can't have those same drivers now. So you've taken away choice and control straight away from the people with disabilities and anyone who wants to catch a taxi. Then we're waiting for taxis up to an hour half an hour late. They're rocking up to pick them up from the house, and also when they go to their activities, they're picking them up late from their activities, and sometimes they're even an hour late home and we just can't get taxis.

That would be quite stressful, i'd imagine for some of the people that you're talking about, because from what you said in the email that you send to some of the passengers, the people with disabilities, some of them are non verbal on that, aren't they.

Oh that's correct. I mean they're all wheelchair bounds and they're highly intellectual disability, so they can't speak. And so now they're just going off with a different person every day.

And Debbie, the state government said that the reason they banned this preferential booking for access taxis was because of a lack of availability, that there were people that needed to suddenly go to a hospital treatment or a doctor that couldn't get them because they were otherwise engaged or they'd been committed to other long term preferential bookings. What would you say to that justification for this change.

Well, I would say they need to look at also the twenty five dollar loading thing that they have now for access taxis, So every time you load a wheelchair and access cab gets twenty five dollars automatically. What we find now is the long trips. It's very hard to catch a taxi on a long trip. All taxi drivers want the short trips now because they automatically get the twenty five dollar loading. I myself, like, we had to cancel a doctor's appointment once, and this was at eleven o'clock in the morning, which is pretty much a low peak time. You would think it's not early in the morning at nine o'clock or not lung time or three o'clock when all the schools are ending, And I had to cancel the appointment because no taxi driver was pick it up because it was too long.

Well, we're going to try to raise this with the state government. Debbie, thanks for sharing your concerns. We did a bit of work on this story a few weeks ago. Wasn't there also a component to it whether the government believed that there were some raughts going on as well?

Well, we've got the Transport and Infrastructive Minister Tom Kinstonus on the line now, who we spoke to on the occasion of that strike last time. We got to the ministrant to also talk about the funding of the rebuild for these regional jetties, and we'll get to that in the moment. Minister. I'm not sure if you've just heard Debbie who called in to have a chat with us about the preferential booking changes to access cabs. A good morning to you. She seems to her experience is that this has made life worse for people, certainly intellectual disabilities, that came to know and love cab drivers that they they went with, and it's made the system less friendly for people that are trying to access it. What's your response to that?

That's not our intents. I'm dealing with a system that is plagued with corruption, plagued with bullying and intimidation. I've had reports and investigations showing of coersion of people being picked up against their will, who are severely disabled, who are being taken advantage of by some drivers. And I've got examples of people like you just I just heard now where they people saying they're waiting an hour or an hour or more to be picked up from an excursion or a trip that that've gone out, and it's creating all this anxiety. I've got these two opposing principles being put at me. One is that there is not enough work to make access cabs viable and then you know, and then another saying there is so much work that we can't get a taxi at all. Both can't be true, and when you dig into it, what we're finding is some drivers are making so much money from only working a couple of hours a day that there car spending more time part in the garage than it is doing the work. So what we've done is we've done two things. We've stopped preferencing and we're requiring now. We're making sure that the drivers are out from seven thirty in the morning till six point thirty six at night, which is law, It's an act of Parliament, and those drivers have to be available and take bookings, and if they don't, they might not be eligible for one hundred thousand dollars buyback scheme. So we're doing everything we can to try and make these drivers available. But when we hear stories about what I've just heard, now we've got a clause. We're allowing people who are nearer the virgin or nonverbal they do have a relationship with individual driver. We're asking those cares to email us and let us know and we'll ground exemptions. So if there are legitimate cases where it is about anxiety and dealing with the same person over and over again, which is creating comfort, we're up for that. But I've also got to stamp out of the corruption. And to give you an example, guys, we're found an example of one driver. We'll made two hundred and fifty thousand dollars just in government subsidies from a very full cohort of customers and you know, people working only three or four hours a day. So there is there is corruption in this industry which I've got to try and clean up, and I'm going to break a few eggs in doing it. It's going to upset a few people and I know that, but this can't continue because we're dealing with the most vulnerable people in the state.

It sounds like there's a work around potentially for the debies of this world, who have people with specific, specific circumstances that might be eligible for that exemption. Can we ask you about the state of some of our regional jetties. We spoke with the Kingston District Council mayor, the Yankalilla Council mayor a little bit earlier, various states of disrepair those jetties are in. How does the funding of the rebuild model work from the state government's perspective, Well.

There's two things here. The ones that have been damaged because of storms, they're covered by insurance. Every state government own jedty is covered by insurance, and that storm damage will be repaired through our insurance policies. Counselors that have got leased jedties from the state government, I've got a requirement to keep them at a level that is fit in purpose, and if they're not, we've got a twenty million dollar program which rolls, which spends about five million dollars a year repairing these jedtis, and we want counselors to match us. So we're offering this money each and every year, five million dollars a year to co fund with our counselors to rebuild our jedties. Now a lot of these counselors don't want to do that. They'll want us to pay for all of it. I'm a bit concerned about the way some councilors have maintained their jeties. I'm not asking them to do, you know, large amounts of work once off. I'm asking for little bits each and every year to maintain them and make sure that they're properly insured.

He is part of the problem for regional councils, Minister, that they might have your right players a lower income stream than the biggest city council. I mean, I don't know what the what the head count of the Kingston se Council is, but they probably don't as deep pockets to say, you know, hold Fast Bay.

Well, that's right, and that's why we favor the regional councilors with the grants. We give them a lot more than we give a metropolitan council because it's harder for them to pay, which is why we've got this fund to start with right, right, So I agree with you. What frustrates me is councils know how popular jetties are, don't spend any money on them. They get lots of tourism them as a result of them, and when their forms are disrepair, they blame someone else. Now I'm not saying that about Kingston Council, but there are some councils out there that have spent very very little on their jennies and I now I've treateding to close them and they're trying to blame someone else for their disrepair. I'm up for the rebuilds, but we're not going to dow it on our own. We're going to do it with the councils, and we're going to make sure that if they are are returning of them, that's feign contracts with us, so they'd be returned to us in a condition that they were given them, and I expect them for one of that.

Tom Kingson Turn is the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport, Thank you for that.

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Twenty eight minutes after right stick around. In a moment, we're going to be chatting with both a parent of a child that went to the osh run by Happy Haven at Riverdale Primary School and a former staff member who have both contacted us on the condition of anonymity to talk about what's going on there. That particular rash now the subject of a suspension order by the Education Standards Board affecting one hundred and ninety nine children from four different schools who relig on it. If you've got a story to tell us, or just some comment to make about the service, we'd love to hear from the eight double two to three double O double oh is our number.

Some feedback on the tech line about the doctor's pay dispute from somebody who works as a senior doctor. They say that as a senior doctor, I work every second weekend. We constantly are seeing and discussing patients for discharge as well as our acutely unwell patients without seven day services. In other areas. No amount of senior doctors will help. This pay deal for me will see me working weekends for less pay than currently. I'm happy to work weekends. This is not the issue. Thanks for that, anonymous doctor.

Person here, Thank you very much. All right, we're going to take a break. Five double A news is coming up, plenty of time for your story. Is eight double two three Dow contacted on the text line as well as zero before eight zero eight thirteen ninety five or as always, jump on the five double A Facebook and.

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Twenty minutes to nine steering a whisper a very positive news story with regard to Alfredo the stolen dog. Oh really yeah, we're getting just some.

Fredo. Alfredo Alfred, not Fredo as in Corleone.

We believe no, John Well, maybe unlikely. I'm just looking at the report my brother making. It would appear that someone has been arrested.

Really well sucked into them. Yeah, it's fantastic if a person steals a person's dog. Deep.

So that's literally as we speak, breaking. So we'll sure that one up and confirm it with Sapold. But it sounds like good news for Alfredo and ol Fredo's owners and bad news for whoever the molife is that decided to try and go into someone's house and Pims. The big story broke last night Seven News had the exclusive the Education Standards Board has suspended the OSH that's run a to Happy Haven at Riverdale Primary School. This is the company you might recall, that was responsible for leaving a sleeping child alone on a lot bus that ended up going back to the depot and the kit child was found when parents arrived to pick them up and they weren't there. Well, it sounds like it's not the only issue that to the OSH there has to deal with because they're now suspended and not running, which is bad news for the one hundred and ninety nine children they look after. It's a bigger than just Riverdale Primary School as well. They also cover Lake Windermere, Parallewi and Salisbury Down as well. All those children are transported to Riverdale Primary School OSH by a bus each and every day. Let's take some calls on this because right throughout the morning we've been hearing off here from people who are connected to the Happy Haven at Riverdale Primary School OSH including this mother of a child that attended the osh there who would like to remain anonymous, and we're going to obviously honor that. Good morning to you.

Good morning.

So what was your experience as a parent of having a child in Happy Haven.

My children don't attend the Riverdale site. They attend to another one of their sites, which is just as poorly run and understructured as it seems. Rude was lots of missing children, injuries, broken.

Bones, broken bones, Yeah.

Three of them from my children from and it took a week before we found out how my son broke both bones in his arms, in his arm, and it was because he had fallen from the top of a playground while they were unsupervised.

Oh goodness, nobody watching, nobody watching.

It took a child to tell me what had actually happened a week later.

Unbelievable. And what about what about the other the other point that you made too about kids going missing? What would their head count issues as well?

They don't do head counts as far as I'm aware. With my children's seven and eight, so they're pretty adapt at telling me what happens. They're on a daily basis. They don't get counted. They don't even get picked up from class, So if they're expecting a child to come to OSH after class, it's up to a child, and that could be one it's youngest five to walk themselves from the classroom to the building. And then my children won't get checked in until twenty minutes after schools.

Finished, so you can have kids just wandering around like Brown's cows, not necessarily going to straight away. Absolutely, what sort of a response did you get as a mum when you spoke to the OSH about the injuries to your child's arm.

They put a lot of blame on the children, saying that the children don't listen, all these sorts of things, that they can't supervise all of the children they've been told. They've told us we don't have enough staff, and then when we try and push it too far and get them to actually take responsibility, what I got told was, well, you have no other choice but to use the service, do you.

Well, it's one way to handle it. Unbelievable. Thank you for sharing that story, mum.

Well let's see now from a former worker from Happy Haven at Riverdale, good morning to you. You've just heard what that mother said about another site. Does that jar with your perspective, having worked at one of having worked at the site.

In question, absolutely, I halfheartedly agree with the mother.

Wow, Yes, where are the sort of pressure points coming from in the workplace setting? Is it a lack of staff or is it a lack of training? What do you think is the problem.

A lack of staff and a lack of staff who are supposed to be experienced. But I witnessed many occasions where that staff would be outside supervising. I would be outside supervising, and I were sitting down, heads down on their telephone, I assume on Facebook, and I felt like I was the onuine supervising And yes, many broken bones at the site that I worked on.

Did you leave because you were just fed up with it?

I left, bitches, Yes, And being a grandmother myself and a mother, I was just shocked and appalled by what was going on in that center. In my heart of hearts, I couldn't work there anymore. I had to leave it. I took it pretty badly because I really felt for the parents and felt for the children.

I would imagine that you know, being a parent, you know that kids take risks, kids do rat bag things, They run around the jump off the top of playground equipment and so forth, and inevitably spraining and wrist breaking your arm. It's almost part of growing up. But is there something specifically about Happy Haven that means that it feels that they are significantly overrepresented in that due to the lack of oversight.

Management don't care. Many times I put in complaints and it was just swept under the carpet. The managers do not listen. Some of the managers do have no experience whatsoever in the field. They used to be salespeople. Nothing wrong with sales people, don't get me wrong, but they had no formal qualifications or training.

Goodness, there's some serious allegations that have been leveled against Happy Haven. The Education Minister, Blair Boy has been listening to all of this. Minister, what's your.

Reaction, Oh, listen, I mean that's all very concerning to hear. There's no doubt about that. And obviously what took place at Riverdale was completely un ex acceptable. It was a not a good set of circumstances, particularly you know when you consider that the child was only actually sort of found because the mother or the parent was using an air tag to track down where the child was, so I don't make any excuses at all for what's taken place there. The action that we've taken, of course since, has been to suspend the service, and I know that will cause a lot of inconvenience to families who rely on that OSH. We are doing what we can now to try to find another operator to start providing out of school hours care from the start of term three, but it will mean that there is no OSH for those families across those four sites who get busted to Riverdale between now and the end of next week, which is the end of term two. But we are trying to work with the Education Department, my department to provide some kind of vacation care for those families across those two weeks. But I'm hoping perhaps that your two callers might be prepared to leave their details so I could speak to them and get some more information about the examples that they have given, because I'd very much like to have that looked into, and I think the Independent Regulator the ESP would like to look at that as well.

You know, it's you know, these kind.

Of things are very seriously. You are very serious. We take them very seriously. But you know, I do feel for the for the families involved, because it would be in a frightening experience to find that your child is unaccounted for and you know, only track down due to your own efforts using an air attag.

Do you worry, minister that there might be you know, more than one operator and I certainly not trying to smirch the entire sector, but when you've got a sort of profit motive behind these things, and you could almost extend this out that some some sections of childcare as well. Is the business model is there a scary proposition or is there a scare scenario whereby the business model is cut cost as much as you can minimum level of supervision equals maximum profit.

I think that is a risk. Yes, I think you're right, and I think you know in examples like this where to try to get kind of the critical mass of students using OSH that makes the service profitable for the operator. And in this case there's four different sites, as you said, bussing children each morning and afternoon to Riverdale to receive out of school hours care. I think that's an example of where because the schools individually might not have enough demand themselves for OSH, that you know, the provider needs to kind of operate across four different sites. And I think the point you made is an accurate one. I think we are as a government trying to put more focus on quality and out of school hours care, being more involved as an education department in an area that we haven't traditionally been. And you know, when issues like this come up, we are making sure the independent Regulator uses all the powers they have available to them under the Act. And in this case, they went into this site upon hearing what happened and said, right from now on, you are doing head counts every fifteen minutes, and you are reporting those head counts to us every fifteen minutes, so all your students can be accounted for. And when it was found that that wasn't being followed, then the next step was taken straight away, which was to suspend the service. And that's no strong action. But I also acknowledge that lead's parents in the lurch who rely on OSH. And I'm one of those families who uses OSH, you know, twice a week, and I understand the inconvenience that it causes the families when it's not available to them in their busy lives.

Do you know, minister, just one final thing. We've banned phones in schools. Are rock staff allowed to use their phones while they're working?

That's a good question. And there's actually been a a case around childcare out of a pretty terrible event that took place I think in it was Queensland or New South Wales. I think it was called Operations Kenterfield, where a staff member used a phone in a childcare setting to do some pretty horrendous things. I think there are regulations in place around what they can be used for, but I think it's fair to say that our expectations, as the Education Department who would be allowing providers to run on our school sites, would be that when they are responsible for supervising and monitoring kids, they are not on their phones.

Yeah, I did mean. I didn't mean for dodgy stuff. I meant more for distraction, but I just threw it out there. We had a text about Hey, Minister blue Boy, we will go back and it will be their call, not ours or respectfully yours, but we will extend an invitation of those two anonymous people we spoke to to talk here and thanks for thanks for approaching them through us, all right, time.

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Five double a Breakfast five minutes to nine. Thursday Night forty is going to be massive tonight Port and Carlton at Adelaide Oval and then a big weekend of footy. Head to get your tips. Sworded Ryan Fitzgerald joins this morning your Fitzy.

Good morning boys. Actually, do you know what?

We had someone at the Best of Say dinner last night saying they followed me and the tips Pembo, you were there.

They're winning their tipping competition. Made. I mentioned it before that they currently come on top. Yet you have not actually been getting on any of your own tips. Mate, No, I'm not.

I'm not actually a part of a tipping competition.

So I'm glad. I'm going all right.

I said to the bloke, you owe me a beer, and he said, yeah, I'll get you one. They were free anyway at the Best of SA Dinner Alaide Oval.

But I couldn't believe it. I'm doing all right, Made. He might know you more than a beer if you into the comp so pored off the short break against what could be a coach killer for Michael Voss to night at Carlton. What do you reckon? What's going to happen?

Yeah, it's this is big, I suppose for both coaches.

I mean even with Ken as well.

I think if one of these teams have a bad loss tonight Pembo, I think we could see some movement in the coaching ranks, because God, if Fossy gets flogged again by Port Adelaide, you would have to think he's definitely gone. And I mean if Carlton have a big win, they would have to consider maybe bringing Josh carr in.

Then Tomorrow, sorry Saturday tomorrow Sydney v the Bulldogs.

Yeah, Sydney v the Bulldogs. I think this is going to be a great game. It's at the SCG on a Friday night, so they're going to get a good crowd there. I think the Swanee's Bulldogs are favorites, but I think the Swany is now with Errol and Tom Papley Backer playing good foot.

He sung to go the Swans. Then Gold Coast and the Demons. Yeah, gold Coast at home against the D's down and tazzy Hawks and the Ruse.

Yeah, Hawk's are starting to play some good footy, so they'll smash the Ruse.

Collingwood playing a dollar three to beat West Coast at Marvel.

To top versus bottom. This is going to be an absolute annihilation at Marvel. Oh my gosh, Colin Wood get to play at Marvel Stadium.

No way, those poor bargers, They're on a huge trip for them. They hate playing away. Then crowsvy Tigers.

Yeah we look, let's hope that we come back from the break in good Nick.

So I'm going to go the Crows and finally freo in the West against the Saints. Yeah, Frio at Optics Stadium is just going to be too hard a task for the Saints based on your form, I reckon you can get all of them right and keep our listeners very very happy. Get on your fifty wooch had again next week.

Mate, good on your boys speak then all right, that is all from ussele this Thursday morning. Stick around for Graham Goodings otherwise we'll catch you to morning tomorrow morning from see David

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